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14. Russians don't long for a return of communism
The communist party has very little following in Russia, and most people I know wouldn't support a communist regime. Communists tend to be older folk who are upset by change, and who were hurt when pensions began to drop in real terms during the Yeltsin years.

The Stalinists in the Ukraine are a slightly different matter - they happen to be Russian speakers who live in the Ukraine, and they don't like to see Russian power diluted. They don't long for a return of Stalinism, they do long for their lost Russian empire.

Thus, post-Soviet leaders like Yeltsin don't make Russians long for the return of communism. Communism never gains a foothold again once people become free of a communist regime. They do dislike the way Yeltsin handled the conversion away from communism, allowing oligarchs to rip off state property. I talked to several high level Russian politicians about this issue, and they told me Yeltsin feared a return of communism so much, he wanted to entrench a ruling class able to provide the leadership to make sure the communists couldn't do it - don't forget the communists did atempt a coup and there was fighting in Moscow which went as far as tanks firing shells on the building where the communist coup leaders were carrying out their last stand.

Western bankers didn't manipulate Yeltsin or his advisors. They did play along lending money to the Russians they knew was being stolen by the oligarchs. The Russians for the most part ignored advice from Western "experts", and the privatizations they carried out were usually botched, but they did have one effect: they made sure that communism couldn't return.

Today Russia hasn't really made a full transition to a capitalist system, and this is in part due to the external pressure imposed by Clinton when he betrayed understandings the US had with the Russians. The nationalist retrenchment under Putin is in large part due to this betrayal- as the US pursued aggressive policies to destroy Russia first under Clinton and then under Bush, Russian elites realized they had to act fast, centralize control, and unite to respond to the US menace.

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  -Stalin statue blown up in Ukraine cowcommander  Jan-01-11 06:34 AM   #0 
  - Wow, but I can't say that I'm surprised.  Rhiannon12866   Jan-01-11 06:48 AM   #1 
  - Thank you for sharing that info.......I had no idea  TheDebbieDee   Jan-01-11 02:18 PM   #24 
     - I didn't, either, until I was fortunate enough to actually visit there.  Rhiannon12866   Jan-01-11 05:24 PM   #36 
  - What took them so long?  Dennis Donovan   Jan-01-11 06:54 AM   #2 
  - Long overdue really (and they should get any Lenin statues while they're at it)  Mudoria   Jan-01-11 06:57 AM   #3 
  - Stalin was never exactly Ukraine's favorite guy  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 06:58 AM   #4 
  - A lot of Ukrainians respect Stalin if that is the case...  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:20 AM   #5 
  - It's possible to be antifascist and STILL be against having your country deliberately starved  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 07:29 AM   #7 
     - Well the voters of Ukraine will decide.  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:37 AM   #9 
     - Yes, the voters will decide  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 08:23 AM   #12 
        - There's no debate in Russia about communism.  social_critic   Jan-01-11 01:28 PM   #21 
        - The terminology's perplexing.  Igel   Jan-01-11 03:25 PM   #25 
     - Stalin was up there with Hitler, Mao, Jackson and Caesar Agustus.  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:17 PM   #29 
  - My Family on my Father SIde Was Directly Effected by Him  fascisthunter   Jan-01-11 10:08 AM   #16 
  - I'm sure PTSD messed up your grandfather beyond repair  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 06:41 PM   #38 
  - Yep, and then used them as cannon fodder in WWII  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:16 PM   #28 
  - Terror attacks against a left-wing party.  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:28 AM   #6 
  - No party with a statue of Stalin in front of its headquarters can honestly call itself "left-wing"  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 07:32 AM   #8 
  - Why do Ukrainians send the CPU to parliament then?  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:38 AM   #10 
     - Of course.  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 08:17 AM   #11 
     - Russians don't long for a return of communism  social_critic   Jan-01-11 09:35 AM   #14 
        - So, what Naomi Klein said is all a lie?  MattSh   Jan-01-11 11:24 AM   #17 
        - I don't know Naomi Klein, but I lived in Russia at the time  social_critic   Jan-01-11 01:20 PM   #20 
        - Is it true that the who's who of Russian Business is more like the Mafia?  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:21 PM   #32 
        - Think critically.  Igel   Jan-01-11 03:45 PM   #26 
        - But keep in mind Socialism is far less of a bad word than it is here  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:22 PM   #33 
     - Ethnic Russians, longing for the good old days  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:19 PM   #31 
     - A crappy slogan.  CJvR   Jan-01-11 06:53 PM   #40 
        - I didn't write it, and I assume something is lost in translation  Taverner   Jan-01-11 07:00 PM   #41 
        - Hitler/Mussolini kept the trains running on time, as well.  boppers   Jan-01-11 09:02 PM   #47 
        - Obviously, in terms of simple logic, the people who would say that  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 09:47 PM   #50 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-01-11 06:01 PM   #37 
        - Chill, dave. The Antistalinist Left is on the case.  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 06:42 PM   #39 
        - I think Rosa Luxemburg was infinitely superior to Lenin or Stalin.  David__77   Jan-01-11 08:14 PM   #44 
        - Rosa Luxemburg is one of my heroes!  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 08:30 PM   #45 
           - Wonderful...  David__77   Jan-01-11 09:45 PM   #49 
        - okay  davidinalameda   Jan-01-11 08:58 PM   #46 
        - Not defending Communists., Defending STALIN  Taverner   Jan-01-11 07:02 PM   #42 
        - I'm not sure I'm willing to accept that Stalin was, in the truest sense, a Communist at all  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 09:08 PM   #48 
        - Who's "defending" Stalin?  David__77   Jan-01-11 08:13 PM   #43 
  - I would hardly call Stalin Left Wing  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:18 PM   #30 
     - There's a compelling case to be made the Beria was a closet liberal.  David__77   Jan-01-11 04:37 PM   #34 
  - Russian communists believed that Stalin betrayed the Revolution  Kolesar   Jan-01-11 09:06 AM   #13 
  - The Party did what the Party had to.  Igel   Jan-01-11 04:09 PM   #27 
     - Actually, Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin was a strategic blunder...  David__77   Jan-01-11 04:43 PM   #35 
     - Yes, that sounds right...eom  Kolesar   Jan-03-11 08:41 AM   #51 
  - Stalin was a psycho  fascisthunter   Jan-01-11 10:03 AM   #15 
  - Good, Stalin starved millions of Ukranians because he hated well-off peasants,.  Odin2005   Jan-01-11 11:33 AM   #18 
  - Funny how those that get rid of monuments to terrorists, are labeled as terrorists.  SoapBox   Jan-01-11 12:40 PM   #19 
  - Good for them!  AnnieBW   Jan-01-11 01:53 PM   #22 
  - Hurray for the "extremists"  harvey007   Jan-01-11 02:06 PM   #23 
  - At last, some good news. nt  raccoon   Jan-03-11 09:16 AM   #52 

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