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Tue Dec-28-10 07:59 AM
Response to Reply #95 |
| 132. Your point fails to respond to my analysis |
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Indeed, University students tend to be more from the middle class (I would not classify them as "wealthy". Your position seems to be based on the idea that university students in Venezuela tend to come from families above the median. So what? This is the way it is everywhere.
What you fail to adress is the core of my analysis, that the student unrest is a response to a law which centralizes power and takes it away from the university body, which historically has been independent (and which is assured of such independence in the Bolivarian Constitution). In other words, you have failed to respond.
I don't think the student movement will have the ability to change things. But there will be brain drain the likes of which the world hasn't seen since Spain kicked out the jews in the 15th century.
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| -Venezuelan students protest university law |
naaman fletcher |
Dec-23-10 01:47 PM |
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Hugo's quite a guy. |
virgogal |
Dec-23-10 02:57 PM |
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The AP propaganda doesn't even describe the new law. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-25-10 11:34 AM |
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Ha, "students". More likely trouble making, rabble rousing |
alex cross |
Dec-23-10 03:41 PM |
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Do you feel the same way about British and Europaean student protesters? |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-23-10 03:59 PM |
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Are you comparing Britain and Europe to Venezuela? |
alex cross |
Dec-23-10 04:01 PM |
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I am comparing authoritarian treatment of students in one country with authoritarian treatment of |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-23-10 04:09 PM |
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+1 n/t |
MrBig |
Dec-23-10 04:54 PM |
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Apples and oranges |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-23-10 11:37 PM |
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"compulsory", education with government control of the curriculum? |
boppers |
Dec-24-10 12:13 AM |
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I don't see anything wrong with it |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 12:30 AM |
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Pierce v Society of Sisters |
boppers |
Dec-24-10 01:07 AM |
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I guess the SAT and ACT exams set the curricula |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 10:39 AM |
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Pretty much. Basic knowledge is tested, rather than political perspective. |
boppers |
Dec-24-10 08:51 PM |
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For religious zealots teaching science is indoctrination |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-26-10 01:07 PM |
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Teaching without dissent is a tough issue. |
boppers |
Dec-27-10 12:59 AM |
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Dissent based in lies or based in real history? |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-27-10 10:42 AM |
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Dissent is taught a great deal in the US. |
boppers |
Dec-28-10 12:14 AM |
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I would disagree here about 'socialism'. There is a huge difference between 'socialism' and 'pure |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-28-10 04:06 AM |
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I will agree with you. |
boppers |
Dec-28-10 05:16 AM |
#131 |
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like in Texas? is that what you mean? |
StarsInHerHair |
Dec-26-10 02:17 AM |
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Yeah, like in Texas. |
boppers |
Dec-27-10 01:08 AM |
#113 |
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Milton Friedman Liberty Prize? |
JVS |
Dec-27-10 01:50 AM |
#116 |
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Remember, anyone who disagrees with Chavez is an American spy these days |
Posteritatis |
Dec-24-10 12:04 PM |
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"If he started machine-gunning civilians in the street" is your fantasy. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-26-10 10:57 PM |
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do you have any evidence to support that |
davidinalameda |
Dec-23-10 04:13 PM |
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Does it Matter? |
MrBig |
Dec-23-10 04:53 PM |
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"Wealthy elite" with 300 $/ month |
ChangoLoa |
Dec-24-10 06:38 AM |
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Sounds just like a far right-wing talking point even though it's a far left-wing talking point |
slackmaster |
Dec-23-10 05:16 PM |
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"Authoritarians all sound the same." |
Psephos |
Dec-23-10 10:18 PM |
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BS propaganda... public universities, all social classes. nt |
ChangoLoa |
Dec-24-10 06:26 AM |
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You forgot the 'sarcasm' thingy... |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-24-10 10:09 AM |
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Can you say CIA? |
sulphurdunn |
Dec-23-10 04:10 PM |
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And |
iandhr |
Dec-23-10 04:49 PM |
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One of two attempts against a monster who told his police to open fire on protesters, |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-23-10 05:10 PM |
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So, |
naaman fletcher |
Dec-23-10 05:20 PM |
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Only if they're pro-Chavez as we all should be. nt |
ChangoLoa |
Dec-24-10 06:42 AM |
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Spoken like a true Chavez acoylte. |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-24-10 10:12 AM |
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I think your sarcasm-o-meter is broken. n/t |
msanthrope |
Dec-24-10 01:57 PM |
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To be fair, it gets annoyingly hard to tell in threads like these. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Dec-24-10 04:26 PM |
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They did protest, |
ronnie624 |
Dec-24-10 11:03 AM |
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I guess you think the French Resistance shouldn't have resisted? n/t |
bitchkitty |
Dec-24-10 06:45 AM |
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Didn't we fight back when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-24-10 10:14 AM |
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So, in order to fight against them, let's kick the universities in the teeth. Nice logic. |
ChangoLoa |
Dec-24-10 06:41 AM |
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My comments were not posited |
sulphurdunn |
Dec-24-10 10:42 AM |
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Are you (seriously) suggesting that student protests in Venezuela |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-24-10 10:11 AM |
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Proof? There are libraries of proof. |
sulphurdunn |
Dec-24-10 10:33 AM |
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In other words, you don't have any proof. Thanks for not adding |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-26-10 09:31 AM |
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500 000 dollars is a good incentive to make a student movement in Ve. |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-26-10 01:11 PM |
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Lets see: State control of TV, the Internet, the schools... |
boppers |
Dec-23-10 10:28 PM |
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Has any politician in the US accepted 1/2 million dollars from Cuba or Iran to protest the US |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-23-10 11:44 PM |
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404 on your link.... |
boppers |
Dec-24-10 12:03 AM |
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post #16 |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 12:06 AM |
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Copy/paste picked up the ellipsis, then. |
boppers |
Dec-24-10 12:10 AM |
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sorry about that n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 12:31 AM |
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Milton Friedman was snuggling up to the Military Junta in Santiago, |
ronnie624 |
Dec-24-10 11:01 PM |
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Alfred Nobel was responsible for the deaths of millions. |
boppers |
Dec-25-10 09:59 PM |
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problem is, Nobel is not selecting the winners of the Peace award anymore |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-26-10 01:15 PM |
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Friedman died in 2006. |
boppers |
Dec-27-10 12:57 AM |
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How many times will you use the lie about "state control of TV," etc.? |
JackRiddler |
Dec-25-10 11:35 AM |
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Until "Alo presidente" is not required programming. |
boppers |
Dec-25-10 09:46 PM |
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Alo Presidente is NOT required programming on private channels. |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-26-10 02:41 AM |
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The use of the takeover of all national TV channels for Presidential acts |
social_critic |
Dec-26-10 07:50 AM |
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(social_critic) You're probably trying to say something. Try syntax. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-26-10 02:38 PM |
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As I said, it has ALWAYS been the pattern here in the U.S. for standard broadcast channels |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-26-10 02:52 PM |
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Not required on WB. UPN. |
boppers |
Dec-27-10 01:32 AM |
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"Nationally focused Presidential speeches are expected to be carried" |
boppers |
Dec-27-10 01:01 AM |
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Carrying Presidential speeches on national tv stations, on STANDARD stations, |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-27-10 04:20 AM |
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Did FDR revoke licenses of stations that didn't carry his chats? |
boppers |
Dec-28-10 12:10 AM |
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Dec-26-10 02:37 PM |
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Such as the lie that state run media is a solution to dissent? |
boppers |
Dec-27-10 01:05 AM |
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Interesting article on the history of Venezuela's student movement, |
bitchkitty |
Dec-24-10 06:58 AM |
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What an utter nonsense from venezuelanalysis |
ChangoLoa |
Dec-24-10 07:23 AM |
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Absolutely right. |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-24-10 10:13 AM |
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Wait a minute. |
bitchkitty |
Dec-24-10 11:00 PM |
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No - what I have repeatedly said is that these boards are filled |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-26-10 09:34 AM |
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I didn't mean it that way. |
bitchkitty |
Dec-26-10 10:46 AM |
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I seriously doubt you have any interest in exploring any point |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-26-10 02:22 PM |
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Not if it comes from you and yours. |
bitchkitty |
Dec-28-10 08:22 AM |
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More than 70% of university students come from the wealthiest quintile of the population |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 10:47 AM |
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Says who? |
ChangoLoa |
Dec-24-10 11:34 AM |
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the 1999 constitution |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 11:50 AM |
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You're diffusing misinformation on purpose. |
ChangoLoa |
Dec-27-10 07:56 AM |
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Make it easy for others, show the facts and your sources n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-27-10 10:47 AM |
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Ultra right wing seems excessive |
social_critic |
Dec-24-10 08:49 AM |
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Going to reread your article. Great to see it. It's hard to impugn articles which contain THE FACTS. |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-26-10 02:49 PM |
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Anywhere else |
SpartanDem |
Dec-24-10 11:19 AM |
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This is because those whom claim outrage at such things... |
Imajika |
Dec-24-10 11:58 AM |
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students are also motivated by awards given in the US if they protest against Chavez |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 12:23 PM |
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University Education isn't all free, and it's not compulsory |
social_critic |
Dec-24-10 01:17 PM |
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There are private schools of course |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 02:52 PM |
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My analysis of what's happening in Venezuela's universities |
social_critic |
Dec-26-10 07:28 AM |
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Brilliant analysis! Thanks for posting. |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-26-10 09:36 AM |
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I don't think thats the case |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-26-10 01:28 PM |
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Your point fails to respond to my analysis |
social_critic |
Dec-28-10 07:59 AM |
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Your analysis fail to address the causes for the government to take control of the universities |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-28-10 12:28 PM |
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Sorry, but you are posting propaganda, and you miss the point |
social_critic |
Dec-29-10 08:50 AM |
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There is still outrage here, except from the hypocrites. |
FLPanhandle |
Dec-24-10 03:56 PM |
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I just don't understand this |
MrBig |
Dec-24-10 01:42 PM |
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Welcome to DU! Here, Chavez, Castro, and a few other dictators are held |
msanthrope |
Dec-24-10 02:04 PM |
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The Chavez cheerleaders... |
Imajika |
Dec-24-10 02:08 PM |
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Well said and to the point |
Mudoria |
Dec-24-10 02:35 PM |
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+1 |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-26-10 09:37 AM |
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The simple answer to your last two questions are that they should not, and they cannot |
Posteritatis |
Dec-24-10 04:24 PM |
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Yes, it is can be depressing... |
Imajika |
Dec-24-10 05:01 PM |
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The cheerleaders of the visionless Venezuelan opoosition parties... |
Prometheus Bound |
Dec-26-10 07:50 PM |
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Visionless Venezuelan opposition parties? |
social_critic |
Dec-27-10 07:25 AM |
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funny how these incidents are portrayed |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-24-10 03:00 PM |
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What does that have to do with anything? |
MrBig |
Dec-24-10 03:20 PM |
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Dec-24-10 04:14 PM |
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Have you red those comments like Dictator Chavez is trying to repress students? |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-26-10 01:35 PM |
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Our own protesters would be able to put up a better fight if the US didn't go ballistic against them |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-24-10 04:41 PM |
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I see your trying to change the subject again... |
Imajika |
Dec-24-10 05:26 PM |
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second that and on edit I'll add to that |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-24-10 05:39 PM |
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If this was a protest in DC that image would be in 20 different DU threads, some started with it. |
joshcryer |
Dec-25-10 06:23 AM |
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In what progressive moral grounds Bush was allowed to do it and Chavez don't? n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-26-10 01:44 PM |
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Venezuela’s Resurgent Revolutionary Student Movement |
ronnie624 |
Dec-25-10 12:58 AM |
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yeah |
naaman fletcher |
Dec-25-10 01:40 AM |
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It is a source of information, as is the AP. |
ronnie624 |
Dec-25-10 01:57 AM |
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Venezuela Analysis is a well known source of Chavez support.. |
Mudoria |
Dec-25-10 07:19 AM |
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Pointless. n/t |
ronnie624 |
Dec-25-10 09:13 AM |
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it's hardly "pointless" |
paulk |
Dec-25-10 01:19 PM |
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You got it. |
COLGATE4 |
Dec-26-10 09:38 AM |
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Well sure |
naaman fletcher |
Dec-25-10 04:55 PM |
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Another copy/paste from Huge Ego's own Fox News |
Cutatious |
Dec-25-10 12:23 PM |
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Do you have the story which explains that photo? Would you do the honor of POSTING THE INFO? |
Judi Lynn |
Dec-26-10 03:08 PM |
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No se encontró ninguna página Web estándar con todos los términos de su búsqueda. |
Cutatious |
Dec-26-10 03:20 PM |
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here you go. and more pics showing the Ven government repression |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-26-10 11:10 PM |
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Looks like the Gestapo beating a protestor |
Mudoria |
Dec-26-10 11:40 PM |
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It looks more like Abu Ghraib or MacArthur Park may day 2007 n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Dec-27-10 11:15 AM |
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oooh! Slingshots! |
boppers |
Dec-27-10 01:14 AM |
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cobarde n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Dec-27-10 10:22 AM |
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This AP report says thousands of protesters, while the BBC and Reuters say hundreds. |
Prometheus Bound |
Dec-27-10 05:53 AM |
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Prometheus: An insider's view |
social_critic |
Dec-27-10 07:13 AM |
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Hey, thanks for the perspective. |
boppers |
Dec-28-10 12:19 AM |
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