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30. Interesting article on the history of Venezuela's student movement,
and what has happened to change it:

Ruiz describes the average Venezuelan university student of the late 1990s as being strongly influenced by the dominant culture and as possessing serious intentions of appearing like a student in any cheap US sit-com.

According to Ruiz, the student organizations in this period and the few years subsequent to the election of Chavez in 1998 were dominated by a pseudo-left and generally characterized by inefficient and bureaucratic management, which he argues, alienated students and paved the way for the rightwing to regain control of these spaces.


The other key factor, which explains why the traditional universities have become a bastion of the ultra-right wing in Venezuela, is the rise of the Bolivarian forces within the institutions of government and state, closing off many of these spaces which were previously occupied by the right, forcing them to retreat into the universities. As a consequence, there has been a general shift in the ideological and political debate within the universities to the right.


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  -Venezuelan students protest university law naaman fletcher  Dec-23-10 01:47 PM   #0 
  - Hugo's quite a guy.  virgogal   Dec-23-10 02:57 PM   #1 
  - The AP propaganda doesn't even describe the new law.  JackRiddler   Dec-25-10 11:34 AM   #75 
  - Ha, "students". More likely trouble making, rabble rousing  alex cross   Dec-23-10 03:41 PM   #2 
  - Do you feel the same way about British and Europaean student protesters?  LeftishBrit   Dec-23-10 03:59 PM   #3 
  - Are you comparing Britain and Europe to Venezuela?  alex cross   Dec-23-10 04:01 PM   #4 
  - I am comparing authoritarian treatment of students in one country with authoritarian treatment of  LeftishBrit   Dec-23-10 04:09 PM   #5 
     - +1 n/t  MrBig   Dec-23-10 04:54 PM   #10 
     - Apples and oranges  AlphaCentauri   Dec-23-10 11:37 PM   #16 
        - "compulsory", education with government control of the curriculum?  boppers   Dec-24-10 12:13 AM   #21 
        - I don't see anything wrong with it  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 12:30 AM   #22 
        - Pierce v Society of Sisters  boppers   Dec-24-10 01:07 AM   #24 
           - I guess the SAT and ACT exams set the curricula  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 10:39 AM   #39 
              - Pretty much. Basic knowledge is tested, rather than political perspective.  boppers   Dec-24-10 08:51 PM   #66 
                 - For religious zealots teaching science is indoctrination  AlphaCentauri   Dec-26-10 01:07 PM   #92 
                    - Teaching without dissent is a tough issue.  boppers   Dec-27-10 12:59 AM   #110 
                       - Dissent based in lies or based in real history?  AlphaCentauri   Dec-27-10 10:42 AM   #123 
                          - Dissent is taught a great deal in the US.  boppers   Dec-28-10 12:14 AM   #127 
                             - I would disagree here about 'socialism'. There is a huge difference between 'socialism' and 'pure  LeftishBrit   Dec-28-10 04:06 AM   #130 
                                - I will agree with you.  boppers   Dec-28-10 05:16 AM   #131 
        - like in Texas? is that what you mean?  StarsInHerHair   Dec-26-10 02:17 AM   #82 
           - Yeah, like in Texas.  boppers   Dec-27-10 01:08 AM   #113 
        - Milton Friedman Liberty Prize?  JVS   Dec-27-10 01:50 AM   #116 
  - Remember, anyone who disagrees with Chavez is an American spy these days  Posteritatis   Dec-24-10 12:04 PM   #47 
     - "If he started machine-gunning civilians in the street" is your fantasy.  JackRiddler   Dec-26-10 10:57 PM   #106 
  - do you have any evidence to support that  davidinalameda   Dec-23-10 04:13 PM   #7 
  - Does it Matter?  MrBig   Dec-23-10 04:53 PM   #9 
  - "Wealthy elite" with 300 $/ month  ChangoLoa   Dec-24-10 06:38 AM   #26 
  - Sounds just like a far right-wing talking point even though it's a far left-wing talking point  slackmaster   Dec-23-10 05:16 PM   #12 
  - "Authoritarians all sound the same."  Psephos   Dec-23-10 10:18 PM   #14 
  - BS propaganda... public universities, all social classes. nt  ChangoLoa   Dec-24-10 06:26 AM   #25 
  - You forgot the 'sarcasm' thingy...  COLGATE4   Dec-24-10 10:09 AM   #33 
  - Can you say CIA?  sulphurdunn   Dec-23-10 04:10 PM   #6 
  - And  iandhr   Dec-23-10 04:49 PM   #8 
  - One of two attempts against a monster who told his police to open fire on protesters,  Judi Lynn   Dec-23-10 05:10 PM   #11 
  - So,  naaman fletcher   Dec-23-10 05:20 PM   #13 
     - Only if they're pro-Chavez as we all should be. nt  ChangoLoa   Dec-24-10 06:42 AM   #28 
     - Spoken like a true Chavez acoylte.  COLGATE4   Dec-24-10 10:12 AM   #35 
        - I think your sarcasm-o-meter is broken. n/t  msanthrope   Dec-24-10 01:57 PM   #51 
           - To be fair, it gets annoyingly hard to tell in threads like these. (nt)  Posteritatis   Dec-24-10 04:26 PM   #61 
     - They did protest,  ronnie624   Dec-24-10 11:03 AM   #42 
  - I guess you think the French Resistance shouldn't have resisted? n/t  bitchkitty   Dec-24-10 06:45 AM   #29 
     - Didn't we fight back when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?  COLGATE4   Dec-24-10 10:14 AM   #37 
  - So, in order to fight against them, let's kick the universities in the teeth. Nice logic.  ChangoLoa   Dec-24-10 06:41 AM   #27 
  - My comments were not posited  sulphurdunn   Dec-24-10 10:42 AM   #40 
  - Are you (seriously) suggesting that student protests in Venezuela  COLGATE4   Dec-24-10 10:11 AM   #34 
     - Proof? There are libraries of proof.  sulphurdunn   Dec-24-10 10:33 AM   #38 
        - In other words, you don't have any proof. Thanks for not adding  COLGATE4   Dec-26-10 09:31 AM   #86 
           - 500 000 dollars is a good incentive to make a student movement in Ve.  AlphaCentauri   Dec-26-10 01:11 PM   #93 
  - Lets see: State control of TV, the Internet, the schools...  boppers   Dec-23-10 10:28 PM   #15 
  - Has any politician in the US accepted 1/2 million dollars from Cuba or Iran to protest the US  AlphaCentauri   Dec-23-10 11:44 PM   #17 
  - 404 on your link....  boppers   Dec-24-10 12:03 AM   #18 
     - post #16  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 12:06 AM   #19 
     - Copy/paste picked up the ellipsis, then.  boppers   Dec-24-10 12:10 AM   #20 
        - sorry about that n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 12:31 AM   #23 
     - Milton Friedman was snuggling up to the Military Junta in Santiago,  ronnie624   Dec-24-10 11:01 PM   #68 
        - Alfred Nobel was responsible for the deaths of millions.  boppers   Dec-25-10 09:59 PM   #81 
           - problem is, Nobel is not selecting the winners of the Peace award anymore  AlphaCentauri   Dec-26-10 01:15 PM   #94 
              - Friedman died in 2006.  boppers   Dec-27-10 12:57 AM   #109 
  - How many times will you use the lie about "state control of TV," etc.?  JackRiddler   Dec-25-10 11:35 AM   #76 
     - Until "Alo presidente" is not required programming.  boppers   Dec-25-10 09:46 PM   #80 
        - Alo Presidente is NOT required programming on private channels.  Judi Lynn   Dec-26-10 02:41 AM   #83 
        - The use of the takeover of all national TV channels for Presidential acts  social_critic   Dec-26-10 07:50 AM   #85 
        - (social_critic) You're probably trying to say something. Try syntax.  JackRiddler   Dec-26-10 02:38 PM   #100 
        - As I said, it has ALWAYS been the pattern here in the U.S. for standard broadcast channels  Judi Lynn   Dec-26-10 02:52 PM   #102 
           - Not required on WB. UPN.  boppers   Dec-27-10 01:32 AM   #115 
        - "Nationally focused Presidential speeches are expected to be carried"  boppers   Dec-27-10 01:01 AM   #111 
           - Carrying Presidential speeches on national tv stations, on STANDARD stations,  Judi Lynn   Dec-27-10 04:20 AM   #117 
              - Did FDR revoke licenses of stations that didn't carry his chats?  boppers   Dec-28-10 12:10 AM   #126 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-26-10 02:37 PM   #99 
           - Such as the lie that state run media is a solution to dissent?  boppers   Dec-27-10 01:05 AM   #112 
  - Interesting article on the history of Venezuela's student movement,  bitchkitty   Dec-24-10 06:58 AM   #30 
  - What an utter nonsense from venezuelanalysis  ChangoLoa   Dec-24-10 07:23 AM   #31 
  - Absolutely right.  COLGATE4   Dec-24-10 10:13 AM   #36 
  - Wait a minute.  bitchkitty   Dec-24-10 11:00 PM   #67 
     - No - what I have repeatedly said is that these boards are filled  COLGATE4   Dec-26-10 09:34 AM   #87 
        - I didn't mean it that way.  bitchkitty   Dec-26-10 10:46 AM   #91 
           - I seriously doubt you have any interest in exploring any point  COLGATE4   Dec-26-10 02:22 PM   #98 
              - Not if it comes from you and yours.  bitchkitty   Dec-28-10 08:22 AM   #133 
  - More than 70% of university students come from the wealthiest quintile of the population  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 10:47 AM   #41 
     - Says who?  ChangoLoa   Dec-24-10 11:34 AM   #44 
        - the 1999 constitution  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 11:50 AM   #45 
           - You're diffusing misinformation on purpose.  ChangoLoa   Dec-27-10 07:56 AM   #121 
              - Make it easy for others, show the facts and your sources n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-27-10 10:47 AM   #124 
  - Ultra right wing seems excessive  social_critic   Dec-24-10 08:49 AM   #32 
  - Going to reread your article. Great to see it. It's hard to impugn articles which contain THE FACTS.  Judi Lynn   Dec-26-10 02:49 PM   #101 
  - Anywhere else  SpartanDem   Dec-24-10 11:19 AM   #43 
  - This is because those whom claim outrage at such things...  Imajika   Dec-24-10 11:58 AM   #46 
  - students are also motivated by awards given in the US if they protest against Chavez  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 12:23 PM   #48 
     - University Education isn't all free, and it's not compulsory  social_critic   Dec-24-10 01:17 PM   #49 
        - There are private schools of course  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 02:52 PM   #55 
           - My analysis of what's happening in Venezuela's universities  social_critic   Dec-26-10 07:28 AM   #84 
              - Brilliant analysis! Thanks for posting.  COLGATE4   Dec-26-10 09:36 AM   #88 
              - I don't think thats the case  AlphaCentauri   Dec-26-10 01:28 PM   #95 
                 - Your point fails to respond to my analysis  social_critic   Dec-28-10 07:59 AM   #132 
                    - Your analysis fail to address the causes for the government to take control of the universities  AlphaCentauri   Dec-28-10 12:28 PM   #134 
                       - Sorry, but you are posting propaganda, and you miss the point  social_critic   Dec-29-10 08:50 AM   #135 
  - There is still outrage here, except from the hypocrites.  FLPanhandle   Dec-24-10 03:56 PM   #58 
  - I just don't understand this  MrBig   Dec-24-10 01:42 PM   #50 
  - Welcome to DU! Here, Chavez, Castro, and a few other dictators are held  msanthrope   Dec-24-10 02:04 PM   #52 
  - The Chavez cheerleaders...  Imajika   Dec-24-10 02:08 PM   #53 
  - Well said and to the point  Mudoria   Dec-24-10 02:35 PM   #54 
  - +1  COLGATE4   Dec-26-10 09:37 AM   #89 
  - The simple answer to your last two questions are that they should not, and they cannot  Posteritatis   Dec-24-10 04:24 PM   #60 
  - Yes, it is can be depressing...  Imajika   Dec-24-10 05:01 PM   #63 
  - The cheerleaders of the visionless Venezuelan opoosition parties...  Prometheus Bound   Dec-26-10 07:50 PM   #105 
     - Visionless Venezuelan opposition parties?  social_critic   Dec-27-10 07:25 AM   #120 
  - funny how these incidents are portrayed  AlphaCentauri   Dec-24-10 03:00 PM   #56 
     - What does that have to do with anything?  MrBig   Dec-24-10 03:20 PM   #57 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-24-10 04:14 PM   #59 
     - Have you red those comments like Dictator Chavez is trying to repress students?  AlphaCentauri   Dec-26-10 01:35 PM   #96 
     - Our own protesters would be able to put up a better fight if the US didn't go ballistic against them  Judi Lynn   Dec-24-10 04:41 PM   #62 
        - I see your trying to change the subject again...  Imajika   Dec-24-10 05:26 PM   #64 
           - second that and on edit I'll add to that  Bacchus39   Dec-24-10 05:39 PM   #65 
           - If this was a protest in DC that image would be in 20 different DU threads, some started with it.  joshcryer   Dec-25-10 06:23 AM   #72 
           - In what progressive moral grounds Bush was allowed to do it and Chavez don't? n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-26-10 01:44 PM   #97 
  - Venezuelas Resurgent Revolutionary Student Movement  ronnie624   Dec-25-10 12:58 AM   #69 
  - yeah  naaman fletcher   Dec-25-10 01:40 AM   #70 
  - It is a source of information, as is the AP.  ronnie624   Dec-25-10 01:57 AM   #71 
     - Venezuela Analysis is a well known source of Chavez support..  Mudoria   Dec-25-10 07:19 AM   #73 
     - Pointless. n/t  ronnie624   Dec-25-10 09:13 AM   #74 
     - it's hardly "pointless"  paulk   Dec-25-10 01:19 PM   #78 
     - You got it.  COLGATE4   Dec-26-10 09:38 AM   #90 
     - Well sure  naaman fletcher   Dec-25-10 04:55 PM   #79 
  - Another copy/paste from Huge Ego's own Fox News  Cutatious   Dec-25-10 12:23 PM   #77 
     - Do you have the story which explains that photo? Would you do the honor of POSTING THE INFO?  Judi Lynn   Dec-26-10 03:08 PM   #103 
        - No se encontr ninguna pgina Web estndar con todos los trminos de su bsqueda.  Cutatious   Dec-26-10 03:20 PM   #104 
        - here you go. and more pics showing the Ven government repression  Bacchus39   Dec-26-10 11:10 PM   #107 
        - Looks like the Gestapo beating a protestor  Mudoria   Dec-26-10 11:40 PM   #108 
           - It looks more like Abu Ghraib or MacArthur Park may day 2007 n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-27-10 11:15 AM   #125 
        - oooh! Slingshots!  boppers   Dec-27-10 01:14 AM   #114 
           - cobarde n/t  Bacchus39   Dec-27-10 10:22 AM   #122 
  - This AP report says thousands of protesters, while the BBC and Reuters say hundreds.  Prometheus Bound   Dec-27-10 05:53 AM   #118 
  - Prometheus: An insider's view  social_critic   Dec-27-10 07:13 AM   #119 
     - Hey, thanks for the perspective.  boppers   Dec-28-10 12:19 AM   #129 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-28-10 12:19 AM   #128 

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