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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-10 04:35 AM
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28. So King would let illegal employees keep working, just eliminate illegal employers' tax deductions.
Under King's proposal, once an employee was proven to be here illegally "it up to employers to fire unauthorized workers" which sounds like the employer could decide to retain the employee if desired. Employers have no such discretion now.

Undoubtedly King's real goal is to derail the DREAM Act and comprehensive immigration reform and break off enough support from the left by using the wedge issue of "going after employers". In reality the right (of which King is a genuine member) would love to give illegal employers the option of keeping their illegal employees. It sounds like King would be willing to give illegal employers a pass, but I didn't read how he would propose doing for the "illegal" employees who could continue to work if their employer so chose. Could they apply to become "legal" or would they keep working "illegally" indefinitely? Sounds like a guest worker program without any legal status for the workers.

Under Obama's I-9 audit program, more illegal employees have been fired than ever occurred under Bush's showcase workplace raids. Deportations are running way ahead of the pace under Bush.
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  -King Outlines Immigration Plans for 2011 AlphaCentauri  Dec-13-10 10:47 PM   #0 
  - Not necessarily a bad thing.  truthisfreedom   Dec-13-10 10:52 PM   #1 
  - He is going to try a National ID n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-13-10 11:02 PM   #4 
  - I don't have a problem with national ID  Hello_Kitty   Dec-13-10 11:11 PM   #5 
  - A flat tax system would eliminate redundant bureaucracies in the states  AlphaCentauri   Dec-14-10 12:06 AM   #10 
     - So do you oppose military IDs and passports? Those are national. eom  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 12:13 AM   #11 
        - Do we need a passport to move around in the city? n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-14-10 12:20 AM   #12 
           - No, and you wouldn't need a national ID to do so either.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 12:23 AM   #13 
              - No, but who has to show a national ID to get a job?  AlphaCentauri   Dec-14-10 12:32 AM   #16 
              - Everyone  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 12:41 AM   #17 
                 - I'm worry about Arizona style racial profiling n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-14-10 09:59 PM   #36 
              - We have one of those; it's called a "social security number".  Spider Jerusalem   Dec-14-10 02:40 AM   #27 
              - Exactly n/t  AlphaCentauri   Dec-14-10 09:58 PM   #35 
              - Voting as well.  SkyDaddy7   Dec-14-10 06:00 AM   #29 
  - We can get a coalition to oppose that  Ter   Dec-13-10 11:18 PM   #6 
  - What is wrong with it? You do realize we already have forms of national ID.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-13-10 11:21 PM   #7 
     - I don't trust the government  Ter   Dec-13-10 11:56 PM   #8 
     - What's so ominous about a national ID to work?  boppers   Dec-14-10 12:31 AM   #15 
        - Yet somehow passports, SS cards, and military ID haven't led to Nazism.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 12:43 AM   #18 
           - Which of those three are required to work as an independent contractor?  boppers   Dec-14-10 01:25 AM   #21 
              - So you're arguing against ID because you want cheap child care and landscaping.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 01:35 AM   #23 
                 - Way to gloss over ongoing massive state abuse.  boppers   Dec-14-10 01:42 AM   #24 
                    - Way to gloss over exploitation.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 02:23 AM   #25 
                       - We're in a Nazi state, arguing about levels of Nazi-ism.  boppers   Dec-14-10 02:36 AM   #26 
  - No problem with national ID.  emilyg   Dec-14-10 12:48 AM   #19 
     - Why not tie it to the passport for U.S. citizens?  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 01:06 AM   #20 
  - Really?  bitchkitty   Dec-14-10 06:02 AM   #30 
  - It appears it gives illegal employers the ability to retain illegal employees by paying a tax  pampango   Dec-14-10 06:24 AM   #31 
  - Fuck you, King you bigot.  Zoeisright   Dec-13-10 10:52 PM   #2 
  - Be that as it may, since it is illegal to employ illegal immigrants, I don't see how this is bad.  truthisfreedom   Dec-13-10 10:58 PM   #3 
     - Yeah, Steve King is a giant dick but I'm not opposed to what he's proposing here.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 12:01 AM   #9 
  - sounds like a lot of 'rules' for a 'free markety' GOP'er... where's DE-regulation???  tomm2thumbs   Dec-14-10 12:25 AM   #14 
  - Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid  chuck97   Dec-14-10 01:34 AM   #22 
  - That is a long post but worth reading  AlphaCentauri   Dec-14-10 10:15 PM   #37 
  - Great post. Indeed King hopes to split the "Democratic coalition" by pretending to be "tough on  pampango   Dec-15-10 05:44 AM   #38 
  - So King would let illegal employees keep working, just eliminate illegal employers' tax deductions.  pampango   Dec-14-10 04:35 AM   #28 
     - Why is "going after employers" a wedge issue?  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 10:06 AM   #32 
        - Because the repugs aren't really going after employers  Wednesdays   Dec-14-10 10:28 AM   #33 
           - Oh I know that. I live in AZ.  Hello_Kitty   Dec-14-10 10:39 AM   #34 
 

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