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Mon Dec-13-10 01:30 PM
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| 121. There is no conclusive evidence |
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which indicates that he did rape them. I believe that in Sweden one is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, much like it is supposed to be here.
So until there is some firm evidence that suggests he is guilty of rape, why not think him innocent? It will ultimately not be up to the public to decide - it is decided in a court of law, or has that changed? Were I on his jury I would attempt to be as neutral as possible - but I am not and therefor free to speak my mind as I see fit. Either way, I have yet to see any evidence that this man did anything wrong or illegal. While, on the other hand, both of his accusers seem to have questionable credibility as proven by the charges, the withdrawal - and yet again pressing charges. But it is not that alone - why would one of these women boast of bedding him? There are things that simply do not add up in this case.
Frankly, as a person, I do not know the accused and it's not really my concern what happens to him. I admire his actions on a more professional level - revealing truths which governments wish to keep hidden. Do you truly think it's far fetched to suspect a conspiracy here? The talking heads on the media are calling for his death, politicians are calling for his execution, the vast majority of the right wing no doubt does likewise - even some democrats. Perhaps it was decided that it would be easier to imprison him on trumped up charges instead, it would not be the first time that has happened.
I am not completely convinced of his innocence, but I strongly suspect this of being a setup. If there's anything the last ten years have taught me, it's that the powers that be will go to great lengths to cover up the truth - somehow I do not believe they would hesitate to frame this man or even murder him if they thought it prudent.
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| -WikiLeaks 'rape' victims had hidden agendas ... and I've seen the proof says Julian Assange's lawyer |
Lars77 |
Dec-12-10 03:48 PM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-12-10 03:51 PM |
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I think the charges were just so they could get him into custody |
DJ13 |
Dec-12-10 03:58 PM |
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I fear you're right; that's what it seems to be |
14thColony |
Dec-12-10 04:22 PM |
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He'd never get to USAmerica... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 07:51 PM |
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I think he's too famous at this point to make him disappear |
Capitalocracy |
Dec-13-10 12:09 AM |
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I think that the backlash for the sort of actions you suggest, ProudDad |
JDPriestly |
Dec-13-10 09:31 AM |
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I think you are right about that. |
zeemike |
Dec-12-10 04:26 PM |
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That is my thought as well |
MissDeeds |
Dec-12-10 06:36 PM |
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Also, I think the charges were calculated to divide the left against him. |
caseymoz |
Dec-12-10 10:38 PM |
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Seems they've been pretty successful. nt |
Capitalocracy |
Dec-13-10 12:09 AM |
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I don't know. |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 07:32 PM |
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.How very RW to use sex crimes (if that's what happened). |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 05:07 AM |
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I'm sure that's what the calculation was. |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 07:30 PM |
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Really? Which Left Is That? |
NashVegas |
Dec-13-10 02:38 PM |
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I'm lost. |
caseymoz |
Dec-13-10 07:29 PM |
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And your evidence is....?????? OTOH, there is evidence of rape... |
Honeycombe8 |
Dec-13-10 07:40 AM |
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What, specifically, is the charge against him? |
Wednesdays |
Dec-13-10 08:44 AM |
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What is your source for the statement that "all Assange had to do to |
JDPriestly |
Dec-13-10 09:36 AM |
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Not only that but the STD could come from someone else....taking a test for |
tpsbmam |
Dec-13-10 11:28 AM |
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There is no conclusive evidence |
davidthegnome |
Dec-13-10 01:30 PM |
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well sure |
northzax |
Dec-13-10 03:45 PM |
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Where are the "women's advocates" at DU ??? |
backtomn |
Dec-13-10 01:33 PM |
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Because most of the women on this site have common sense |
ooglymoogly |
Dec-13-10 03:37 PM |
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so now rapists fit a profile |
northzax |
Dec-13-10 03:49 PM |
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My god are you corny. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Dec-13-10 03:54 PM |
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you're the one profiling accused rapists |
northzax |
Dec-13-10 03:58 PM |
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Do we really have to suffer this batshit propaganda on this site of all places. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Dec-13-10 03:31 PM |
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exactly. |
robinlynne |
Dec-13-10 11:10 AM |
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Cheney will come out of hiding for Torture Time now. nt |
valerief |
Dec-12-10 04:25 PM |
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Cheney will have to remain in this country in his undisclosed location. |
sabrina 1 |
Dec-13-10 02:00 AM |
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Did the women have a hidden agenda or did the government lock on to them once they came forward. May |
pam4water |
Dec-12-10 04:44 PM |
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One has absconded to Palestine, the other is in hiding |
crikkett |
Dec-13-10 06:09 AM |
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Blatantly appears he was framed to get him into custody. He will receive NO fair trail here. |
glinda |
Dec-12-10 04:46 PM |
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They're still talking "he said--she(s) said. |
Rozlee |
Dec-12-10 04:58 PM |
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Swedish sexual assault laws seem to be the most peculiar in the world, |
Matilda |
Dec-12-10 05:09 PM |
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are you fucking serious? |
TorchTheWitch |
Dec-12-10 05:56 PM |
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Actually, I think she's saying that by the woman changing her mind in |
Rozlee |
Dec-12-10 06:10 PM |
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My GF is an anti-date rape advocate. |
Ruperto31 |
Dec-12-10 06:11 PM |
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then she's not much of an advocate |
northzax |
Dec-13-10 03:56 PM |
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Yes, I do. |
Matilda |
Dec-12-10 06:25 PM |
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Maybe I've misunderstood your comments. |
Rozlee |
Dec-12-10 06:56 PM |
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I stopped reading at "irregardless" n/t |
harmonicon |
Dec-12-10 07:10 PM |
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It may be unfair, but so did I, actually |
psychopomp |
Dec-13-10 01:47 AM |
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You feel compelled to post that, even if it humiliates a fellow DUer who wasn't being mean to you? |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 07:07 AM |
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Please see Reply 100. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 07:10 AM |
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Oh my...I stopped reading at "irregardless" too, LOL. |
Jazzgirl |
Dec-13-10 08:31 AM |
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I have a teabagger sister and her teabonics are getting to me. n/t |
Rozlee |
Dec-13-10 01:13 PM |
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I agree, there can be many reasons why a woman might change her mind. |
Matilda |
Dec-12-10 08:07 PM |
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The woman who says no under the circumstances you describe |
JDPriestly |
Dec-13-10 09:47 AM |
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Giving consent doesn't mean you consent to whatever the other person wants wants to do. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-12-10 10:30 PM |
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Under Swedish law, it's not necessary for anything else to happen |
Matilda |
Dec-13-10 01:10 AM |
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I'm not talking about Swedish law. I'm talking about what you said. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-13-10 01:14 AM |
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Link re: specific Swedish statute, please? |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 05:43 AM |
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You're wrong. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 07:03 AM |
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I think that whether sex was rape might depend on what happened |
JDPriestly |
Dec-13-10 09:44 AM |
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The Swedish laws on rape sound as confusing as American ones decades |
Rozlee |
Dec-13-10 01:58 PM |
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really? you've never had sex go wrong? |
northzax |
Dec-13-10 03:54 PM |
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But - wouldn't charge the man with rape. |
Matilda |
Dec-13-10 05:53 PM |
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so you say 'no' and 'stop' |
northzax |
Dec-13-10 06:12 PM |
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I consider that consent given makes the woman at least partly culpable. |
Matilda |
Dec-13-10 08:55 PM |
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+1,000,000 |
DesertDiamond |
Dec-12-10 09:59 PM |
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Agreed. |
WildEyedLiberal |
Dec-12-10 11:51 PM |
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There is a pretty big difference between Assange and Polanski |
DWilliamsamh |
Dec-13-10 12:43 AM |
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You sure put a lot of words into my mouth |
WildEyedLiberal |
Dec-13-10 02:05 PM |
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I don't think you can search my past posts for teh Polanski issue but - |
DWilliamsamh |
Dec-13-10 07:05 PM |
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Fair enough, it seems like we are more or less on the same page |
WildEyedLiberal |
Dec-13-10 07:43 PM |
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I do think we mostly agree on a theoretical level |
DWilliamsamh |
Dec-14-10 09:17 AM |
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Wow, you just jumped to a conclusion I don't think the poster was |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-13-10 12:02 AM |
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Some point? Like a week later? If so, you're right. Otherwise, "stop" means stop. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 05:22 AM |
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I don't think that was the poster's point. If you do then, agree to disagree. |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-13-10 05:27 AM |
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Speaking of rushing to judgment,....my post said nothing about what the other poster meant or about |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 05:38 AM |
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But you're replying to that post. |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-13-10 05:43 AM |
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Sorry, I an not following the phrasing in your post just before "Am I wrong?" |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 06:33 AM |
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It's rape if she says "stop" and he doesn't. |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-13-10 01:58 AM |
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You can't withdraw consent no matter what happens? |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-12-10 10:24 PM |
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Please read some of the other responses. |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-13-10 05:28 AM |
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Men "scorned" never do anything to anyone. So, using a sexist saying works well. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 05:15 AM |
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Using quotes around "familiar phrasing" makes "points" |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-13-10 05:30 AM |
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Ah, yes, using quotation marks around a very familiar quotation is very meaningful. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 06:40 AM |
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Well then, why not publish those "secret police documents" on Wikileaks??? |
Rage for Order |
Dec-12-10 05:07 PM |
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What makes you think that? |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 05:33 PM |
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You're probably right |
Rage for Order |
Dec-12-10 05:37 PM |
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You might want to go read up. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 05:42 PM |
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I didn't say the documents should be off limits |
Rage for Order |
Dec-12-10 05:46 PM |
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It would be inappropriate, and detrimental to his case. |
boppers |
Dec-12-10 05:59 PM |
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Exculpatory evidence for Mr. Assange would be "inappropriate"? |
forty6 |
Dec-12-10 08:22 PM |
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People have a right to privacy. |
boppers |
Dec-13-10 12:26 AM |
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They did screen them--and redacted info that could get people hurt. nt |
tblue37 |
Dec-12-10 06:13 PM |
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boring posts |
Teaser |
Dec-12-10 06:13 PM |
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This Really Pisses you Off |
fascisthunter |
Dec-12-10 07:37 PM |
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Probably because they are material to his defense |
Alcibiades |
Dec-12-10 10:36 PM |
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"But Mr Hurtig remains confident that Mr Assange will get a fair hearing in Sweden ..." |
iandhr |
Dec-12-10 05:11 PM |
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He will never get to trial in Sweden... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 07:56 PM |
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Sweden |
iandhr |
Dec-12-10 08:19 PM |
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The case looks too weak to go to trial. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 10:08 PM |
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not at all, it is legal if the death penalty is not on the table |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 10:12 PM |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Sweden doesn't prosecute Assange |
Vattel |
Dec-12-10 10:13 PM |
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This. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 05:27 AM |
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It smacked of a stitch up from the outset |
dipsydoodle |
Dec-12-10 05:25 PM |
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Ditto. |
SoapBox |
Dec-13-10 12:29 AM |
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Sure Mr. Hurtig. You're right. All rape victims are liars. nt |
newtothegame |
Dec-12-10 06:34 PM |
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Where did THAT come from??? |
LadyHawkAZ |
Dec-12-10 06:43 PM |
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I find the selective vetting of rape victims interesting, thats all. nt |
newtothegame |
Dec-12-10 07:08 PM |
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Did you even read the article? Do you know what the accusation really is? |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Dec-12-10 07:29 PM |
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Not sure what your point is. What you quoted, IF TRUE, describes two rapes. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-10 06:52 AM |
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There are NO rape accusations, that is a creation of the MSM. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-12-10 07:32 PM |
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They aren't rape victims. |
LadyHawkAZ |
Dec-12-10 10:23 PM |
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Dec-12-10 09:00 PM |
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What a shocker! Someone's attorney says the other side is lying |
WolverineDG |
Dec-12-10 06:54 PM |
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And that's he's got 'secret evidence' to prove it!!! Quelle Suprise!! |
msanthrope |
Dec-12-10 07:50 PM |
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I thought Wikileaks was all about making "secret evidence" not so secret!... |
forty6 |
Dec-12-10 08:24 PM |
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Assange is exempt from the transparency he demands from everyone else |
WolverineDG |
Dec-12-10 09:47 PM |
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No ... Assange's lawyer is working for transparency ....read the article... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-10 10:58 PM |
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He hasn't demanded transparency from me...? |
LanternWaste |
Dec-13-10 03:15 PM |
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Did you read the article? He could be disbarred for releasing |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 10:10 PM |
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+1 |
Alcibiades |
Dec-12-10 10:39 PM |
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If Assange were abusive with women and 39 and active |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 11:40 PM |
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And it came at a very convenient time |
Alcibiades |
Dec-13-10 09:32 AM |
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The first woman, Ardin, seems to have a lot of turmoil in her life |
EFerrari |
Dec-13-10 11:29 AM |
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It is...that's why his lawyer wants to release it ...but would be disbarred for doing so.... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-10 10:57 PM |
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Dec-13-10 01:07 AM |
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Nonsense.... Assange's lawyer is trying to get permission to relate the evidence... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-10 10:56 PM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
Dec-12-10 07:21 PM |
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They're not the only ones. Many here on DU appear to have agendas of their own... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 08:07 PM |
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My only agenda is to get as close to the truth as possible, be it about .. |
forty6 |
Dec-12-10 08:27 PM |
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I've been trying to figure that one out, too |
MrMickeysMom |
Dec-12-10 10:23 PM |
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Many of them were pro TSA porn scanners |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Dec-13-10 12:21 AM |
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The "charges" are based on the complaints |
azureblue |
Dec-12-10 08:56 PM |
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Ardin was "working with the CIA as an agent/activist"? Sure she was |
Vattel |
Dec-12-10 10:04 PM |
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She was deported from Cuba for associating with a State Department front group. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 10:12 PM |
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+1 She sure did. n/t |
Shining Jack |
Dec-13-10 01:15 AM |
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lol, sounds less sinister now |
Vattel |
Dec-13-10 10:16 AM |
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She's probably not, she doesn't seem smart enough. |
EFerrari |
Dec-13-10 11:19 AM |
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Encouraging ... but I'd really like to know how many cases like this have actually |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-10 10:54 PM |
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Accused but not even charged at the time the red notice went out. |
EFerrari |
Dec-13-10 12:35 AM |
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How can you be raped by a website? |
HEyHEY |
Dec-13-10 12:47 AM |
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Rotten.com. I rest my case. -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-13-10 08:50 AM |
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K&R n/t |
Shining Jack |
Dec-13-10 01:16 AM |
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Not surprised at all. One appears to be an agent for intel. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-13-10 05:18 AM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Dec-13-10 08:44 AM |
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I'd say both sides are highly motivated to discredit the other |
Love Bug |
Dec-13-10 10:05 AM |
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charges to just get him in custody--no shit?! |
katty |
Dec-13-10 11:57 AM |
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I don't believe he's been charged yet. |
EFerrari |
Dec-13-10 12:06 PM |
#119 |
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So leak the documents already! Why the delay exposing the |
24601 |
Dec-13-10 07:42 PM |
#141 |
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