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elias49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #89
92. That's weak. "HE DID IT FIRST"
Next case.
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  -Assange Lawyer: U.S. Wants to Get Their "Mitts" on WikiLeaks Founder (Grand Jury Empaneled in VA) Hissyspit  Dec-12-10 02:13 PM   #0 
  - Psssst Holder - over there, bush and cheney.  madmax   Dec-12-10 02:14 PM   #1 
  - Investigation the past admin's crimes would be dangerous for this one.  Billy Burnett   Dec-12-10 02:26 PM   #4 
  - Has Holder ever been on the right side of anything?  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 03:20 PM   #31 
  - If we were going by Geneva, we'd also have to go after Clinton, GHWB, and Carter too.  boppers   Dec-12-10 06:50 PM   #84 
  - Makes me sick. There's no justice in this world.  Arrowhead2k1   Dec-12-10 02:27 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-12-10 02:52 PM   #15 
  - I was reading the original story and wondered how long it would  24601   Dec-12-10 06:22 PM   #77 
  - Pelosi knew about the waterboarding, and did nothing.  boppers   Dec-12-10 06:53 PM   #86 
  - & I wonder what she knew about Turkey.  crikkett   Dec-13-10 06:00 AM   #152 
  - The congressional losses wouldn't have occured if Dems had the balls  go west young man   Dec-12-10 09:25 PM   # 
  - I'd love to see the polling that indicates that further ignoring the  24601   Dec-12-10 09:54 PM   #113 
     - So the Dems ignored the economy AND ignored the bushite crimes  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 09:59 PM   #115 
     - Your problem is you have no true understanding of the Wikileaks mission.  go west young man   Dec-12-10 10:08 PM   #123 
        - I'll be sure to let you know if/when I have a problem understanding  24601   Dec-13-10 11:17 PM   #165 
  - dupe  go west young man   Dec-12-10 09:25 PM   #104 
  - When Scooter Libby and his boss, Dick,  molly77   Dec-12-10 06:33 PM   #79 
  - Scooter was found guilty of lying to FBI agents...  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:00 PM   #119 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-10 06:06 PM   #160 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-10 06:10 PM   #161 
  - Betcha some dumbass RW prosecutor tries to charge him with treason, lol.  kestrel91316   Dec-12-10 02:23 PM   #2 
  - Well, that's pretty stupid. It's a case they can't win  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 02:23 PM   #3 
  - I agree. The potential threat to my civil liberties  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 02:26 PM   #5 
  - No, handling things as a military matter is bad, and is the paradigm shift deployed in the  ixion   Dec-12-10 03:01 PM   #22 
  - By military I mean clandistine  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:09 PM   #26 
     - Exactly! What's the point of God-Given American Exceptionalism(tm)  14thColony   Dec-12-10 04:42 PM   #72 
     - Can you believe we have DU'ers like that one?  go west young man   Dec-12-10 09:28 PM   #106 
        - That's why I don't hold out a lot of hope  14thColony   Dec-13-10 01:54 AM   #151 
     - If it's Alexandria, then he's in the rocket docket....n/t  msanthrope   Dec-12-10 07:42 PM   #98 
     - In which ways, for example? -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Dec-12-10 10:24 PM   #135 
  - So Amnesty International and The Economist gave awards  go west young man   Dec-12-10 11:19 PM   #144 
  - They'll push for a military tribunal.  Billy Burnett   Dec-12-10 02:28 PM   #7 
     - And they'd be wrong. The civilian courts have gotten more convictions  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 02:41 PM   #12 
        - Illogic roolz  Billy Burnett   Dec-12-10 03:39 PM   #49 
           - Protecting criminals is national security!  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 03:41 PM   #52 
              - You people are myopic. Read this cable, the person here brought uranium in  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:51 PM   #59 
                 - Pavulon, you just did what you want Assange wrung out for  elias49   Dec-12-10 06:31 PM   #78 
                 - Actually that is published by someone else. A hyperlink  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 06:43 PM   #83 
                 - My first thought was: "What's this guy doing w/uranium?"  elias49   Dec-12-10 07:04 PM   #90 
                    - Working on a project to develop it? Who knows, that document was not stolen  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 07:06 PM   #91 
                 - Gawd...  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:02 PM   #120 
                 - Oh, by all means, protect people trying to sell supposed bomb materials!  boppers   Dec-12-10 06:58 PM   #87 
                    - Not what the cable stated and the expat giving information on shipments  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 07:00 PM   #88 
                       - One reason for this specific disclosure, or disclosures in general?  boppers   Dec-12-10 07:10 PM   #94 
                       - clearly, because with all this data, you got the context as well.  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 09:46 PM   #109 
                          - Assange isn't picking which cables to vet and release.  boppers   Dec-12-10 10:00 PM   #117 
                             - No others involved in his orginization are..  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 10:02 PM   #121 
                                - That's not how it works.  boppers   Dec-12-10 10:17 PM   #128 
                                   - ANd a comspiracy works when one person is breaking the law  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 10:22 PM   #132 
                                      - "If"? IF? Wow, maybe you're a bit behind on your information?  boppers   Dec-13-10 12:06 AM   #149 
                                         - (1:51:25 PM) bradass87: i'd have to ask assange , Lets see how conspiracy works..  Pavulon   Dec-13-10 04:44 PM   #159 
                       - Truth.  go west young man   Dec-12-10 09:30 PM   #107 
                          - So a persons life is worth "truth" you are of course aware that coded  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 09:45 PM   #108 
                             - You offer a false dichotomy.  go west young man   Dec-12-10 10:16 PM   #127 
                                - So should all truth be revealed? or just some.  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 10:21 PM   #131 
                                   - I love how you always drop your military credentials in these debates.  go west young man   Dec-12-10 10:33 PM   #136 
                                   - Yeah, the systems that track all that hardware in realtime  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 10:38 PM   #137 
                                      - Hardware isn't the issue.  go west young man   Dec-12-10 10:57 PM   #140 
                                         - That can be addressed without compromising people  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 11:06 PM   #142 
                                            - Give it time. Wikileaks may blow the lid off that one too.  go west young man   Dec-12-10 11:38 PM   #145 
                                   - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-10 06:13 PM   #162 
  - The lawyer Assange has now got here in th UK  dipsydoodle   Dec-12-10 02:35 PM   #8 
  - We have the death penalty and our torture problem.  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 02:40 PM   #11 
     - Would be.  dipsydoodle   Dec-12-10 02:42 PM   #13 
     - Do you think so? After watching one country after another  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 02:47 PM   #14 
     - remember Iceland?  The Backlash Cometh   Dec-12-10 02:54 PM   #17 
        - In what respect? Did they reject our bullying  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 02:59 PM   #20 
           - You fight where you can have the most impact:  The Backlash Cometh   Dec-12-10 03:08 PM   #24 
              - Oh, yeah. That's very true.  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 03:11 PM   #27 
                 - Britain has always had their head stuck up the ass of Uncle Sam.  The Backlash Cometh   Dec-12-10 03:14 PM   #28 
                    - And maybe that London has been on fire.  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 03:18 PM   #30 
     - But Sweden is doing the extradition first  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:04 PM   #122 
     - ...death penalty, torture, prison w/out trial, no firm habaeus corpus, inhuman prisons  bhikkhu   Dec-12-10 03:22 PM   #32 
     - It just occurred to me that Assange was picked up in England  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 03:27 PM   #37 
        - You think they want that?(nt)  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:29 PM   #41 
        - My gut feeling is the British courts would say the Swedish charges take precedence  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-12-10 04:26 PM   #68 
           - That's reassuring, thank you, muriel.  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 04:28 PM   #70 
              - Oh, I didn't think you were impugning it; and the above was my amateur guess  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-12-10 05:04 PM   #73 
                 - I don't think he'll leave the UK  dipsydoodle   Dec-12-10 05:22 PM   #74 
     - "Our torture problem" -- I hereby nominate that for Understatement  coalition_unwilling   Dec-12-10 11:51 PM   #146 
        - I know.  EFerrari   Dec-13-10 12:00 AM   #147 
  - Karl Rove is such a darling.  Gregorian   Dec-12-10 02:36 PM   #9 
  - What have we become, China?  silver10   Dec-12-10 02:40 PM   #10 
  - Guess you've never been to china.(nt)  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 02:53 PM   #16 
     - You are right. We are not China.  Hissyspit   Dec-12-10 02:55 PM   #18 
        - The pure market crazyness or the communisim?  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 02:58 PM   #19 
           - Yes, I was being overly dramatic - a hyperbole  silver10   Dec-12-10 03:22 PM   #33 
              - He has a right to disclose bank information. In fact  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:25 PM   #34 
                 - I guess there is really no threat to freedom of speech, it's all just one big coincidence.  silver10   Dec-12-10 03:28 PM   #39 
                    - Espionage is not covered under that clause  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:30 PM   #43 
                       - Understood.  silver10   Dec-12-10 03:41 PM   #53 
  - Posted on my FB page  laylah   Dec-12-10 03:01 PM   #21 
  - Whether or not he should be charged is unknown, but clearly, he is going  Creative   Dec-12-10 03:06 PM   #23 
  - Material Witness can be held  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:08 PM   #25 
  - That is true, but holding him without evidence could be an untenable situation.  Creative   Dec-12-10 03:26 PM   #35 
     - Conspiracy or Racketeering seem to present the  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:28 PM   #40 
        - I think they are going to have more than that to avoid a public relations nighmare.  Creative   Dec-12-10 03:56 PM   #61 
           - If they can prove death they have a real case..  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:59 PM   # 
  - "clearly, he is going to have to answer some questions."  Hissyspit   Dec-12-10 03:17 PM   #29 
  - To determine if he conspired with manning, if he did, he can be charged  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:27 PM   #36 
  - He doesn't have to answer any questions.  Hissyspit   Dec-12-10 03:34 PM   #45 
     - No he does not. I would assume signal intelligence  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:36 PM   #46 
        - You assume all kinds of stuff.  Hissyspit   Dec-12-10 03:38 PM   #48 
           - You are never forced to be a witness in your own trial..  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:39 PM   #50 
  - Because serious questions demand serious answers.  Creative   Dec-12-10 03:28 PM   #38 
     - The bottom of what? A free press? Freedom of expression?  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 03:29 PM   #42 
        - Wikileaks is not press. It is an intelligence agency  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:32 PM   #44 
        - WikiLeaks is not intelligence agency. It is a Press organization  Hissyspit   Dec-12-10 03:37 PM   #47 
        - They are not press, they do not act as press, and have said they are not press  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:40 PM   #51 
           - Lmao, keep cheerleading for your beloved empire.  krabigirl   Dec-12-10 03:43 PM   #54 
           - Here is a gun, this information is lethal. Read and weep (you will not because you dont care)  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:48 PM   #56 
              - I guess your also curious about those Nigerian children  go west young man   Dec-12-10 10:55 PM   #139 
                 - They should be charged. I am NOT suggesting crimes be covered up  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 11:07 PM   #143 
                    - In other words...we should never have found out in the first place?  go west young man   Dec-13-10 01:08 AM   #150 
           - If they act like M16 and the KGB,  silver10   Dec-12-10 03:45 PM   #55 
        - An intelligence agency for whom?  girl gone mad   Dec-12-10 06:02 PM   #76 
           - For themselves. Meds really, thats what you have...  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 06:42 PM   #82 
              - Intelligence agency for themselves = news organization.  girl gone mad   Dec-12-10 07:20 PM   #95 
                 - The do not claim to be news, they are brokering secret data stolen from the military  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 09:48 PM   #110 
        - This is not journalism, it is espionage. It is very questionable if a 3rd party  Creative   Dec-12-10 03:49 PM   #57 
        - Baloney. Wikileaks is a media organization.  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 03:51 PM   #58 
        - Hey XXXX is a dead man. Read this.  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 03:53 PM   #60 
        - I'm no saint,  silver10   Dec-12-10 04:02 PM   #63 
        - This person was discussing joint efforts with the North Koreans  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 04:09 PM   #65 
           - OK, if you say so, but I didn't get that from that link to that cable report.  silver10   Dec-12-10 04:13 PM   #67 
        - Someone coming and going in public?  Hissyspit   Dec-12-10 04:27 PM   #69 
        - They have date and time of person providing nuclear materials to the US  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 04:38 PM   #71 
        - There you go again.  elias49   Dec-12-10 06:52 PM   #85 
           - The people who actually act on these cables have already seen it.  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 07:01 PM   #89 
              - That's weak. "HE DID IT FIRST"  elias49   Dec-12-10 07:06 PM   #92 
                 - Sorry I missed the part where you explained how disclosing this information  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 07:08 PM   #93 
        - I disagree, but let's assume for a moment that they are "media organization."  Creative   Dec-12-10 03:59 PM   #62 
           - Maybe you need to review what espionage is.  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 04:05 PM   #64 
              - Depraved Indifference murder is illegal.  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 04:10 PM   #66 
        - And of course you have proof of this, right!?!  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:14 PM   #126 
           - That happens in court. Hey who proved gerry bull's death penalty case  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 10:23 PM   #133 
        - Crickets - eh, Amigo?  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:11 PM   #125 
           - You bet. Now, how is our government going to extradite him?  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 10:19 PM   #129 
              - We'll see. It might be harder than they think...  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:54 PM   #138 
                 - It's illegal for Sweden to extradict him to a country with the death penalty.  EFerrari   Dec-12-10 10:58 PM   #141 
  - Have you forgotten about the execrable "patriot" act?  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:08 PM   #124 
  - How can a secretly empanelled grand jury be legal?  Matilda   Dec-12-10 05:23 PM   #75 
  - Secretly empanelled grand jury means death or life imprisonment, isolation, torture,you name it.  glinda   Dec-12-10 06:40 PM   #81 
  - It is entirely legal. And there is no 'defendant' per se.  msanthrope   Dec-12-10 07:39 PM   #97 
  - But this is truly awful.  Matilda   Dec-12-10 08:37 PM   #102 
     - That's pretty much the way the USAmerican criminal-injustice system works...  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:24 PM   #134 
  - "How can a secretly empanelled grand jury be legal?"  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 10:21 PM   #130 
  - Not in any Grand Jury in this country...  ProudDad   Dec-13-10 10:47 AM   #157 
  - The World Police want this guy to push their Internet Kill Switch,.  sarcasmo   Dec-12-10 06:38 PM   #80 
  - U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is a ......  SILVER__FOX52   Dec-12-10 07:28 PM   #96 
  - what a pathetic government we have  fascisthunter   Dec-12-10 07:42 PM   #99 
  - Given the lack of security on the State Dept. network and the wide  Downwinder   Dec-12-10 07:44 PM   #100 
  - Let him drop it. Stop teasing info, driving up click through dollars.  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 09:52 PM   #112 
  - Dan Ellsberg said there were 600,000 users on that network. n/t  EFerrari   Dec-13-10 12:03 AM   #148 
  - Mr. Obama does not have the best interests of Dems...or his program.  lib2DaBone   Dec-12-10 07:57 PM   #101 
  - The DEMOCRATS are in the White House now  lovuian   Dec-12-10 08:37 PM   #103 
  - Because a Democratic President would approve of espionage  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 09:50 PM   #111 
  - I thought we couldn't try high-profile people like this in the United States.  Bolo Boffin   Dec-12-10 09:26 PM   #105 
  - Yep, the fix is in...  ProudDad   Dec-12-10 09:57 PM   #114 
  - No he will stand trial in Northern Virginia  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 09:59 PM   #116 
  - Your high.  go west young man   Dec-13-10 09:34 AM   #153 
  - Yes. I do believe they will allow him to stand trial if evidence supports conspiracy  Pavulon   Dec-13-10 04:43 PM   #158 
     - Your right about one thing. He's not the press. He's better than the press.  go west young man   Dec-13-10 10:04 PM   #164 
  - Letter from Australia media conglomerate as of 12/13/2010  go west young man   Dec-13-10 09:48 AM   #154 
  - glitch in the matrix(dupe)  Pavulon   Dec-12-10 10:00 PM   #118 
  - Isn't it amusing that the US wants to be judge jury and executioner against Assange  Javaman   Dec-13-10 10:31 AM   #155 
     - I'm afraid this DoJ is just as much of a joke as the previous one.  EFerrari   Dec-13-10 10:46 AM   #156 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-10 06:17 PM   #163 

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