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Sun Dec-12-10 03:41 PM
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But the sh*t didn't really start to hit the fan for Assange until we heard about the bank information looming - he was running around free for a long time after the information on the wars was posted. But once we got whiff of the bank info...the rape chargeS were made, and the credit card companies stepped in. Very interesting.
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| -Assange Lawyer: U.S. Wants to Get Their "Mitts" on WikiLeaks Founder (Grand Jury Empaneled in VA) |
Hissyspit |
Dec-12-10 02:13 PM |
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Psssst Holder - over there, bush and cheney. |
madmax |
Dec-12-10 02:14 PM |
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Investigation the past admin's crimes would be dangerous for this one. |
Billy Burnett |
Dec-12-10 02:26 PM |
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Has Holder ever been on the right side of anything? |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 03:20 PM |
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If we were going by Geneva, we'd also have to go after Clinton, GHWB, and Carter too. |
boppers |
Dec-12-10 06:50 PM |
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Makes me sick. There's no justice in this world. |
Arrowhead2k1 |
Dec-12-10 02:27 PM |
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Dec-12-10 02:52 PM |
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I was reading the original story and wondered how long it would |
24601 |
Dec-12-10 06:22 PM |
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Pelosi knew about the waterboarding, and did nothing. |
boppers |
Dec-12-10 06:53 PM |
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& I wonder what she knew about Turkey. |
crikkett |
Dec-13-10 06:00 AM |
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The congressional losses wouldn't have occured if Dems had the balls |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 09:25 PM |
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I'd love to see the polling that indicates that further ignoring the |
24601 |
Dec-12-10 09:54 PM |
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So the Dems ignored the economy AND ignored the bushite crimes |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 09:59 PM |
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Your problem is you have no true understanding of the Wikileaks mission. |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 10:08 PM |
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I'll be sure to let you know if/when I have a problem understanding |
24601 |
Dec-13-10 11:17 PM |
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dupe |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 09:25 PM |
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When Scooter Libby and his boss, Dick, |
molly77 |
Dec-12-10 06:33 PM |
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Scooter was found guilty of lying to FBI agents... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:00 PM |
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Dec-13-10 06:06 PM |
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Dec-13-10 06:10 PM |
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Betcha some dumbass RW prosecutor tries to charge him with treason, lol. |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-12-10 02:23 PM |
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Well, that's pretty stupid. It's a case they can't win |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 02:23 PM |
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I agree. The potential threat to my civil liberties |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 02:26 PM |
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No, handling things as a military matter is bad, and is the paradigm shift deployed in the |
ixion |
Dec-12-10 03:01 PM |
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By military I mean clandistine |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:09 PM |
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Exactly! What's the point of God-Given American Exceptionalism(tm) |
14thColony |
Dec-12-10 04:42 PM |
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Can you believe we have DU'ers like that one? |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 09:28 PM |
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That's why I don't hold out a lot of hope |
14thColony |
Dec-13-10 01:54 AM |
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If it's Alexandria, then he's in the rocket docket....n/t |
msanthrope |
Dec-12-10 07:42 PM |
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In which ways, for example? -nt |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-12-10 10:24 PM |
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So Amnesty International and The Economist gave awards |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 11:19 PM |
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They'll push for a military tribunal. |
Billy Burnett |
Dec-12-10 02:28 PM |
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And they'd be wrong. The civilian courts have gotten more convictions |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 02:41 PM |
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Illogic roolz |
Billy Burnett |
Dec-12-10 03:39 PM |
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Protecting criminals is national security! |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 03:41 PM |
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You people are myopic. Read this cable, the person here brought uranium in |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:51 PM |
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Pavulon, you just did what you want Assange wrung out for |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 06:31 PM |
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Actually that is published by someone else. A hyperlink |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:43 PM |
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My first thought was: "What's this guy doing w/uranium?" |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 07:04 PM |
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Working on a project to develop it? Who knows, that document was not stolen |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:06 PM |
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Gawd... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:02 PM |
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Oh, by all means, protect people trying to sell supposed bomb materials! |
boppers |
Dec-12-10 06:58 PM |
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Not what the cable stated and the expat giving information on shipments |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:00 PM |
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One reason for this specific disclosure, or disclosures in general? |
boppers |
Dec-12-10 07:10 PM |
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clearly, because with all this data, you got the context as well. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:46 PM |
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Assange isn't picking which cables to vet and release. |
boppers |
Dec-12-10 10:00 PM |
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No others involved in his orginization are.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 10:02 PM |
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That's not how it works. |
boppers |
Dec-12-10 10:17 PM |
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ANd a comspiracy works when one person is breaking the law |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 10:22 PM |
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"If"? IF? Wow, maybe you're a bit behind on your information? |
boppers |
Dec-13-10 12:06 AM |
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(1:51:25 PM) bradass87: i'd have to ask assange , Lets see how conspiracy works.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-13-10 04:44 PM |
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Truth. |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 09:30 PM |
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So a persons life is worth "truth" you are of course aware that coded |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:45 PM |
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You offer a false dichotomy. |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 10:16 PM |
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So should all truth be revealed? or just some. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 10:21 PM |
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I love how you always drop your military credentials in these debates. |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 10:33 PM |
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Yeah, the systems that track all that hardware in realtime |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 10:38 PM |
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Hardware isn't the issue. |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 10:57 PM |
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That can be addressed without compromising people |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 11:06 PM |
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Give it time. Wikileaks may blow the lid off that one too. |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 11:38 PM |
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Dec-13-10 06:13 PM |
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The lawyer Assange has now got here in th UK |
dipsydoodle |
Dec-12-10 02:35 PM |
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We have the death penalty and our torture problem. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 02:40 PM |
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Would be. |
dipsydoodle |
Dec-12-10 02:42 PM |
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Do you think so? After watching one country after another |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 02:47 PM |
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remember Iceland? |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-12-10 02:54 PM |
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In what respect? Did they reject our bullying |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 02:59 PM |
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You fight where you can have the most impact: |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-12-10 03:08 PM |
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Oh, yeah. That's very true. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 03:11 PM |
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Britain has always had their head stuck up the ass of Uncle Sam. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Dec-12-10 03:14 PM |
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And maybe that London has been on fire. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 03:18 PM |
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But Sweden is doing the extradition first |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:04 PM |
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...death penalty, torture, prison w/out trial, no firm habaeus corpus, inhuman prisons |
bhikkhu |
Dec-12-10 03:22 PM |
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It just occurred to me that Assange was picked up in England |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 03:27 PM |
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You think they want that?(nt) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:29 PM |
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My gut feeling is the British courts would say the Swedish charges take precedence |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-12-10 04:26 PM |
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That's reassuring, thank you, muriel. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 04:28 PM |
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Oh, I didn't think you were impugning it; and the above was my amateur guess |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-12-10 05:04 PM |
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I don't think he'll leave the UK |
dipsydoodle |
Dec-12-10 05:22 PM |
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"Our torture problem" -- I hereby nominate that for Understatement |
coalition_unwilling |
Dec-12-10 11:51 PM |
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I know. |
EFerrari |
Dec-13-10 12:00 AM |
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Karl Rove is such a darling. |
Gregorian |
Dec-12-10 02:36 PM |
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What have we become, China? |
silver10 |
Dec-12-10 02:40 PM |
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Guess you've never been to china.(nt) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 02:53 PM |
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You are right. We are not China. |
Hissyspit |
Dec-12-10 02:55 PM |
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The pure market crazyness or the communisim? |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 02:58 PM |
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Yes, I was being overly dramatic - a hyperbole |
silver10 |
Dec-12-10 03:22 PM |
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He has a right to disclose bank information. In fact |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:25 PM |
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I guess there is really no threat to freedom of speech, it's all just one big coincidence. |
silver10 |
Dec-12-10 03:28 PM |
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Espionage is not covered under that clause |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:30 PM |
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Understood. |
silver10 |
Dec-12-10 03:41 PM |
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Posted on my FB page |
laylah |
Dec-12-10 03:01 PM |
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Whether or not he should be charged is unknown, but clearly, he is going |
Creative |
Dec-12-10 03:06 PM |
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Material Witness can be held |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:08 PM |
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That is true, but holding him without evidence could be an untenable situation. |
Creative |
Dec-12-10 03:26 PM |
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Conspiracy or Racketeering seem to present the |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:28 PM |
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I think they are going to have more than that to avoid a public relations nighmare. |
Creative |
Dec-12-10 03:56 PM |
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If they can prove death they have a real case.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:59 PM |
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"clearly, he is going to have to answer some questions." |
Hissyspit |
Dec-12-10 03:17 PM |
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To determine if he conspired with manning, if he did, he can be charged |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:27 PM |
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He doesn't have to answer any questions. |
Hissyspit |
Dec-12-10 03:34 PM |
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No he does not. I would assume signal intelligence |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:36 PM |
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You assume all kinds of stuff. |
Hissyspit |
Dec-12-10 03:38 PM |
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You are never forced to be a witness in your own trial.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:39 PM |
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Because serious questions demand serious answers. |
Creative |
Dec-12-10 03:28 PM |
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The bottom of what? A free press? Freedom of expression? |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 03:29 PM |
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Wikileaks is not press. It is an intelligence agency |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:32 PM |
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WikiLeaks is not intelligence agency. It is a Press organization |
Hissyspit |
Dec-12-10 03:37 PM |
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They are not press, they do not act as press, and have said they are not press |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:40 PM |
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Lmao, keep cheerleading for your beloved empire. |
krabigirl |
Dec-12-10 03:43 PM |
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Here is a gun, this information is lethal. Read and weep (you will not because you dont care) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:48 PM |
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I guess your also curious about those Nigerian children |
go west young man |
Dec-12-10 10:55 PM |
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They should be charged. I am NOT suggesting crimes be covered up |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 11:07 PM |
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In other words...we should never have found out in the first place? |
go west young man |
Dec-13-10 01:08 AM |
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If they act like M16 and the KGB, |
silver10 |
Dec-12-10 03:45 PM |
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An intelligence agency for whom? |
girl gone mad |
Dec-12-10 06:02 PM |
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For themselves. Meds really, thats what you have... |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 06:42 PM |
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Intelligence agency for themselves = news organization. |
girl gone mad |
Dec-12-10 07:20 PM |
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The do not claim to be news, they are brokering secret data stolen from the military |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:48 PM |
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This is not journalism, it is espionage. It is very questionable if a 3rd party |
Creative |
Dec-12-10 03:49 PM |
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Baloney. Wikileaks is a media organization. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 03:51 PM |
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Hey XXXX is a dead man. Read this. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 03:53 PM |
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I'm no saint, |
silver10 |
Dec-12-10 04:02 PM |
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This person was discussing joint efforts with the North Koreans |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:09 PM |
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OK, if you say so, but I didn't get that from that link to that cable report. |
silver10 |
Dec-12-10 04:13 PM |
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Someone coming and going in public? |
Hissyspit |
Dec-12-10 04:27 PM |
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They have date and time of person providing nuclear materials to the US |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:38 PM |
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There you go again. |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 06:52 PM |
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The people who actually act on these cables have already seen it. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:01 PM |
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That's weak. "HE DID IT FIRST" |
elias49 |
Dec-12-10 07:06 PM |
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Sorry I missed the part where you explained how disclosing this information |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 07:08 PM |
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I disagree, but let's assume for a moment that they are "media organization." |
Creative |
Dec-12-10 03:59 PM |
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Maybe you need to review what espionage is. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 04:05 PM |
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Depraved Indifference murder is illegal. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 04:10 PM |
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And of course you have proof of this, right!?! |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:14 PM |
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That happens in court. Hey who proved gerry bull's death penalty case |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 10:23 PM |
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Crickets - eh, Amigo? |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:11 PM |
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You bet. Now, how is our government going to extradite him? |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 10:19 PM |
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We'll see. It might be harder than they think... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:54 PM |
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It's illegal for Sweden to extradict him to a country with the death penalty. |
EFerrari |
Dec-12-10 10:58 PM |
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Have you forgotten about the execrable "patriot" act? |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:08 PM |
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How can a secretly empanelled grand jury be legal? |
Matilda |
Dec-12-10 05:23 PM |
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Secretly empanelled grand jury means death or life imprisonment, isolation, torture,you name it. |
glinda |
Dec-12-10 06:40 PM |
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It is entirely legal. And there is no 'defendant' per se. |
msanthrope |
Dec-12-10 07:39 PM |
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But this is truly awful. |
Matilda |
Dec-12-10 08:37 PM |
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That's pretty much the way the USAmerican criminal-injustice system works... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:24 PM |
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"How can a secretly empanelled grand jury be legal?" |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 10:21 PM |
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Not in any Grand Jury in this country... |
ProudDad |
Dec-13-10 10:47 AM |
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The World Police want this guy to push their Internet Kill Switch,. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-12-10 06:38 PM |
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U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder is a ...... |
SILVER__FOX52 |
Dec-12-10 07:28 PM |
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what a pathetic government we have |
fascisthunter |
Dec-12-10 07:42 PM |
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Given the lack of security on the State Dept. network and the wide |
Downwinder |
Dec-12-10 07:44 PM |
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Let him drop it. Stop teasing info, driving up click through dollars. |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:52 PM |
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Dan Ellsberg said there were 600,000 users on that network. n/t |
EFerrari |
Dec-13-10 12:03 AM |
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Mr. Obama does not have the best interests of Dems...or America..as his program. |
lib2DaBone |
Dec-12-10 07:57 PM |
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The DEMOCRATS are in the White House now |
lovuian |
Dec-12-10 08:37 PM |
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Because a Democratic President would approve of espionage |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:50 PM |
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I thought we couldn't try high-profile people like this in the United States. |
Bolo Boffin |
Dec-12-10 09:26 PM |
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Yep, the fix is in... |
ProudDad |
Dec-12-10 09:57 PM |
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No he will stand trial in Northern Virginia |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 09:59 PM |
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Your high. |
go west young man |
Dec-13-10 09:34 AM |
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Yes. I do believe they will allow him to stand trial if evidence supports conspiracy |
Pavulon |
Dec-13-10 04:43 PM |
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Your right about one thing. He's not the press. He's better than the press. |
go west young man |
Dec-13-10 10:04 PM |
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Letter from Australia media conglomerate as of 12/13/2010 |
go west young man |
Dec-13-10 09:48 AM |
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glitch in the matrix(dupe) |
Pavulon |
Dec-12-10 10:00 PM |
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Isn't it amusing that the US wants to be judge jury and executioner against Assange |
Javaman |
Dec-13-10 10:31 AM |
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I'm afraid this DoJ is just as much of a joke as the previous one. |
EFerrari |
Dec-13-10 10:46 AM |
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