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135. I think it might be because there's so much machinery and energy devoted to pounding away
Edited on Sat Dec-11-10 07:30 PM by calimary
at the same messages and framings. It seems almost frivolous to say, but I think it boils down to a PR war that our side just doesn't know how to play, much less win.

First of all there's the huge and many-layered infrastructure that is the delivery system of the message. They have umpteen hundred radio stations out there carrying syndicated limbaugh, vanity, beckerhead, and the whole rest of the vile swarm. Many of those who dominate the radio waves (including stations with better signals and in better markets than progressive stations have) also have TV or cable shows to further propagate their talking points. There is a 24/7/365 cable network delivering round-the-clock propaganda ranging from what they cover to how they cover it, and what they say and how they paint their word pictures and what pictures they select to write to.

Second there's the critically-important how. Consider the very recent revelations from showing clearly how Pox Noise anchors and reporters are led around by the luntz? Researcher/strategist frank luntz, who three years ago was saying "I don't know how to fight this guy" about Obama, but since then probably has all kinds of ideas. He's one of many, but probably the most successful and well-connected (read: effective) who writes up emails and memos directing the use of language, words and phrases, "say 'government' option", so as to color and poison the topic by hanging dog-whistle-message-type negative descriptions (well, negative to THIS constituency, anyway, since they HATE the government) and thereby manipulate and manage public opinion on those topics. If you're always saying "tax relief" you're repeating a phrase whose construct is to pair a thing or notion with a modifier that paints it in a bad light. The word "relief" automatically by nature implies that the word it's with, "tax," is something bad - that one needs "relief" FROM. newt gingrich was another one with his little black lexicon of good and positive words and phrases that were to be used constantly when speaking about CONservatives and republi-CONS, and bad and negative words and phrases that were conversely to be used constantly when speaking about Dems or liberals. He did that for his GOPAC people, while a disciple of reagan.

Some people here have called it "the mighty Wurlitzer" or the "echo chamber" or whatever, that has rather shrewdly overtaken the public discourse and has managed to leak out from the cable backwaters to mainstream media everywhere. And our side has only started to get into the game in the past, what, ten or so years? Pox Noise started in 1996 I think. And limbaugh started back in the mid-90s I believe. And they built and built and built while our side snoozed.

A lot of what they built was the infrastructure-to-this-infrastructure, if you will. The same wealthy conservative families and newer pirates ranging from the Mellons and Scaifes to the Hunt brothers and the Basses and the Coorses and the Koch brothers also built or caused to be built endowments and foundations and think tanks where they could employ wrong-headed "scholars" to write position papers and later, bestselling books whose sales figures were manufactured by bulk buys from those same endowments and foundations and think tanks. That's also what groomed commentators and built some major league bench strength of talking heads who were media savvy, many younger and highly photogenic, and knew all the talking points because their groomers were putting all the words in their mouths. They also groomed people who could sort of write, and come up with books that would then be bought in bulk We now have a demolition derby stalking the earth of people who were schooled in this by such wealthy cabals and the policy creeps that slither through them, and they're the Farm Team From Hell. sarah palin, tim pawlenty, mark sanford, bobby jindal, and more, they all learned how to spout this stuff and be activist about it, and got encouragement to slither, themselves, into the political scene by running for office. And of course guess where a lot of their funding came from, and ...

Aw shit, it's just a rat's nest. The many levels of Hell.

And we don't have anything matching it. And they've got roughly a 40-year head start.

Granted, there are SOME institutions coming up on our side, like the Progressive Democrats of America,,, the Center for American Progress,, and a few more. A lot of them are online, like Daily Kos and others. But shit - even so, our army is SO FAR BEHIND!!! Our side has SO much catching up to do!!!!!!

Shit - sorry I ran on so long. You probably know this and far more, already. At any rate, you have all this infrastructure in place to push the message that's been carefully, strategically, and almost scientifically crafted, and a general public whose brain wiring and ability to process information has been seriously messed with. We are TRULY the Short-Attention-Span-Theater species. Especially those of us who've earned the title "Low-Information Voter." And if you're predisposed to have a short attention span, and you've got all kinds of media input coming at you around the clock, from everywhere, telling you ONE thing (Obama/Dems/liberals = BAD!), and NOT reminding you of the grim times that directly led us to the problems we have now (bush/GOP/CONservatives = GOOD!), what's a non-discerning limb-bot or beckerhead-bot to do?

No wonder nobody remembers how crappy the dubya years were! How many people do you hear in big, strong, powerful pulpits where most of America can hear/see them, and REMINDING THEM about that, and helping them connect the dots to what's happening now and what dubya's political brethren want to bring that whole nightmare back down upon us again? WHERE are the powerful, high-profile, influential voices pushing back against that message, with numbers of operatives that large, and with that same intensity and that same reach and market penetration?
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  -Sanders 'Filibusters' Tax Deal as Key Senate Democrats Join Revolt sasha031  Dec-10-10 10:23 PM   #0 
  - Big K&R. nt  laughingliberal   Dec-10-10 10:32 PM   #1 
  - good. now cap it at zero for the fucknuts. My taxes are hard enough  roguevalley   Dec-11-10 03:07 AM   #27 
     - End it Bernie  niceypoo   Dec-11-10 11:25 AM   #89 
  - I'm fine with the million as long as Bush sunsets.  aquart   Dec-10-10 10:34 PM   #2 
  - Ditto. nt  gateley   Dec-10-10 10:37 PM   #3 
  - I have felt the same way for quite a while...  Frisbee   Dec-10-10 10:46 PM   #5 
  - Good PR point.  aquart   Dec-10-10 11:09 PM   #7 
  - If you earn a mil a year or more and you're only a millionaire, shame on you.  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 03:07 AM   #26 
  - If you earn a million per year, half of that goes to taxes, unless you have write offs...  earcandle   Dec-11-10 12:40 PM   #103 
     - top marginal rate is something like 34%, so how does 50% go to taxes?  Hannah Bell   Dec-11-10 02:25 PM   #118 
        - You are right.... more like 35% after pymt of $108K on earnings that exceed $375K  earcandle   Dec-11-10 05:25 PM   #131 
           - no, the *marginal* rate is 34%. & the rate for dividend & capital gains income (which the rich  Hannah Bell   Dec-11-10 05:42 PM   #132 
              - If you want to be agressive about it, I suggest you go to the IRS website and figure out the taxes  earcandle   Dec-12-10 01:38 PM   #146 
  - agreed. n t  shireen   Dec-11-10 09:12 AM   #59 
  - Agreed! We should not be allowing a bush-ANYTHING live on.  calimary   Dec-10-10 11:15 PM   #8 
  - ABSOLUTELY!  tomp   Dec-11-10 06:38 AM   #35 
  - I think it might be because there's so much machinery and energy devoted to pounding away  calimary   Dec-11-10 07:20 PM   #135 
     - Machine Noise  PhillySane   Dec-12-10 08:35 AM   #144 
     - America Held Hostage: Day 12  PhillySane   Dec-12-10 08:52 AM   #145 
  - Agree --- and not happy with Schumer going to $1 million ...  defendandprotect   Dec-11-10 11:42 AM   #91 
  - Who won in 2008?  PhillySane   Dec-11-10 12:50 PM   #105 
  - that was Campaign Obama...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-11-10 08:18 PM   #143 
  - "intellect he brings to it"...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-11-10 08:17 PM   #142 
  - Like Bush tax cuts sunset on December 31, 2010?  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 03:09 AM   #28 
  - The problem with 1 Million  PhillySane   Dec-11-10 02:10 PM   #116 
     - I'm totally for sunset.  aquart   Dec-11-10 06:25 PM   #134 
  - I'm with Aquart and Laughing Liberal on this one. Rec. nt  bertman   Dec-10-10 10:38 PM   #4 
  - Ditto  bjobotts   Dec-10-10 11:06 PM   #6 
  - These senators are negotiating with themselves....  dennis4868   Dec-10-10 11:16 PM   #9 
  - How To Stop a Bully 101 - Never capitulate. When you do, they've gottcha. NT  juajen   Dec-10-10 11:22 PM   #11 
  - So you are saying...  dennis4868   Dec-11-10 12:19 AM   #13 
     - Of course he should fight. And he should let those taxes go up  EFerrari   Dec-11-10 12:28 AM   #15 
     - That is the stupidest post I ever read....  dennis4868   Dec-11-10 12:34 AM   #16 
     - LOL. Right, people in the top 10% income bracket will fall into poverty  EFerrari   Dec-11-10 12:47 AM   #17 
     - Hello?  dennis4868   Dec-11-10 12:56 AM   #18 
        - A whopping 50% increase on people who mostly don't pay taxes  EFerrari   Dec-11-10 01:09 AM   #19 
        - You don't get it...,  dennis4868   Dec-11-10 01:17 AM   #21 
        - No YOU don't get it  digidigido   Dec-11-10 03:03 AM   #25 
        - Its a very ridiculous notion to believe you will be in the streets if the taxes  glowing   Dec-11-10 07:04 AM   #37 
        - My family is barely making it as it is.  killbotfactory   Dec-11-10 12:02 PM   #97 
        - It is called sacrifice and I'm doing it also. Remember, senior  juajen   Dec-11-10 12:27 PM   #98 
        - Okay....  dennis4868   Dec-11-10 01:49 PM   #114 
        - No, he didn't have make any damn deal with the Repukians.  olegramps   Dec-11-10 07:37 AM   #44 
        - gramps FTW  rucky   Dec-11-10 08:22 AM   #51 
        - Thank you.  myrna minx   Dec-11-10 11:03 AM   #84 
        - During the campaign....  dennis4868   Dec-11-10 01:45 PM   #113 
           - bull.  Hannah Bell   Dec-11-10 02:28 PM   #119 
        - people making less than 40k are going to see an increase in  SemperEadem   Dec-11-10 09:36 AM   #65 
        - If you are in the 10% bracket, that means you made $15,650 or less  mbperrin   Dec-11-10 10:59 AM   #83 
        - Numbers  SOS   Dec-11-10 11:09 AM   #87 
        - Take it easy there Podna,  cognoscere   Dec-11-10 12:37 PM   #102 
        - Your math is a tad weak  zipplewrath   Dec-11-10 03:11 PM   #125 
        - CHECKMATE. Nicely done!  Zhade   Dec-11-10 02:21 AM   #24 
        - Items like this are written into the bill to be used as a  EmeraldCityGrl   Dec-11-10 05:08 PM   #130 
     - Stupidest post you ever read? I would suggest you reread your own.  bitchkitty   Dec-11-10 07:59 AM   #47 
     - RRRRROFL...that so all over the place..but worth it  florida08   Dec-11-10 09:31 AM   #64 
     - I loved this post. Thanks. NT  juajen   Dec-11-10 12:34 PM   #101 
     - Agreed!  silver10   Dec-11-10 12:58 PM   #107 
     - Perhaps you haven't heard....  danbee46   Dec-11-10 09:09 AM   #58 
     - Oh, the travails of the rich!  Cherchez la Femme   Dec-11-10 01:14 PM   #111 
     - Agree. not that there wont be some  cadmium   Dec-11-10 01:28 AM   #22 
     - Fight what? He doesn't want taxes to go up for anyone during a "recession."  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 03:18 AM   #29 
        - apparently O did not consult with the Dems first---he consulted with the repukes  wordpix   Dec-11-10 07:11 AM   #40 
        - Yep. Really looks like a win from here.  aquart   Dec-11-10 09:27 AM   #62 
     - Of course he should fight! This deal is pathetic at best. It's worse than than original Bush tax  20score   Dec-11-10 01:29 AM   #23 
     - Yes. Obama should fight now not later.  fasttense   Dec-11-10 06:43 AM   #36 
     - Well said  primavera   Dec-11-10 11:49 AM   #93 
        - Very good point - i.e. why we should stand firm  Raksha   Dec-11-10 02:23 PM   #117 
     - all for the sake of bring manly and fighting? (whatever that means!)  AlbertCat   Dec-11-10 10:01 AM   #74 
     - Oh, you're right  ArcticFox   Dec-11-10 10:03 AM   #75 
     - Sorry, I fell asleep. I answered further down. NT  juajen   Dec-11-10 12:28 PM   #99 
     - I would never use those terms, but basically?  Chan790   Dec-11-10 02:49 PM   #122 
  - Perhaps you could get a position on Obama's staff.  olegramps   Dec-11-10 07:12 AM   #41 
  - Oh jeez, so we should just not ever fight because they won't back down?  AllyCat   Dec-11-10 08:56 AM   #54 
  - Gee isn't that famous capitulation attributed to John Paul Jones,  ooglymoogly   Dec-11-10 12:31 PM   #100 
  - Hoorah for the eight. let's make it 15! NT  juajen   Dec-10-10 11:17 PM   #10 
  - Notice how silent the media is on this? Coverage, if any, is maybe two sentences.  PSPS   Dec-11-10 12:02 AM   #12 
  - My only TV coverage of any event  truedelphi   Dec-11-10 01:16 AM   #20 
  - I watched some of Sanders live on C-Span  klook   Dec-11-10 07:21 AM   #42 
     - My TV package doesn't include C Span II but I did go  truedelphi   Dec-12-10 02:26 PM   #147 
  - Yes! I noticed!! Hey ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, NPR, PBS...where are you?  SoapBox   Dec-11-10 02:44 PM   #121 
     - Of course. Every single overpaid news reader on those channels makes MILLIONS.  closeupready   Dec-11-10 04:14 PM   #129 
  - This is the first thing Landrieu has done that makes me proud. I'm beside myself with joy.  pacalo   Dec-11-10 12:23 AM   #14 
  - +1 I was shocked (in a good way) that she stood up, for once  wordpix   Dec-11-10 07:08 AM   #39 
  - As shocked as I was, wordpix!  pacalo   Dec-11-10 08:02 AM   #48 
  - Yeah, I know. It's hard being from Louisiana, but gee golly, I love  juajen   Dec-11-10 01:13 PM   #110 
  - Democrats finally put someone through the trouble of an actual filibuster--and it's Sanders.  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 03:24 AM   #30 
  - recommend  xchrom   Dec-11-10 04:53 AM   #31 
  - No one who earns $30K or less should be paying a dime!  DailyGrind51   Dec-11-10 05:41 AM   #32 
  - Thank you Bernie  florida08   Dec-11-10 05:47 AM   #33 
  - Awesome!  Delphinus   Dec-11-10 05:54 AM   #34 
  - where were these 8 + the others objecting to the O agreement when Bernie was speaking???  wordpix   Dec-11-10 07:07 AM   #38 
  - If you haven't yet  florida08   Dec-11-10 07:23 AM   #43 
  - Thanks for the link.  Liberalynn   Dec-11-10 07:38 AM   #45 
  - I urge every Democrat to sign this petiton. Workers are fighting for their life.  olegramps   Dec-11-10 07:46 AM   #46 
  - Raising the ANNUAL income for "middle class" cuts to $1 million per year makes  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 08:57 AM   #55 
  - Thanks. I signed and volunteered.  sirthomas66   Dec-11-10 09:03 AM   #57 
  - Signed it. Thanks. nt  Celtic Raven   Dec-11-10 09:15 AM   #60 
  - Thanks  otohara   Dec-11-10 10:05 AM   #76 
  - Too Little, Too Late Bernie  Pistarkle   Dec-11-10 08:12 AM   #49 
  - Better late than never. And you don' t seem all that fond of Sanders, blaming him  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 10:10 AM   #77 
  - Thanks for the clarification...  Pistarkle   Dec-11-10 11:51 AM   #94 
  - Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat...  _ed_   Dec-11-10 11:08 AM   #86 
  - Thansk for the clarification..  Pistarkle   Dec-11-10 11:53 AM   #95 
  - Um, Bernie didn't run in 2010. His next election is 2012. Nice try. n/t  tpsbmam   Dec-11-10 11:16 AM   #88 
  - Thanks for the clarification...  Pistarkle   Dec-11-10 11:55 AM   #96 
  - Too bad you weren't in California  xxqqqzme   Dec-11-10 03:47 PM   #126 
  - thank you guys  florida08   Dec-11-10 08:14 AM   #50 
  - Thanks Bernie...let the sunset.  russspeakeasy   Dec-11-10 08:29 AM   #52 
  - Yay to hear of Franken's support!  Stumbler   Dec-11-10 08:47 AM   #53 
  - if the tax cuts expire and the thugs try to reinstate them...the President  Gin   Dec-11-10 09:00 AM   #56 
     - It's obvious. Obama does not want the cuts to expire.  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 10:38 AM   #79 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   Dec-11-10 09:22 AM   #61 
  - You know... this pissed me off  SemperEadem   Dec-11-10 09:27 AM   #63 
  - I too am more than peeved at my missing Senator  florida08   Dec-11-10 09:39 AM   #66 
  - Sanders KICKS ASS !  Celtic Merlin   Dec-11-10 09:40 AM   #67 
  - Harry owes Obama bigtime for helping him keep his job.  Hubert Flottz   Dec-11-10 09:42 AM   #68 
  - Obama also owes Harry big time, for anointing Obama as the Party's nominee.  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 10:41 AM   #80 
  - This is great news, and I hope the pressure keeps up. How many  Jefferson23   Dec-11-10 09:46 AM   #69 
  - next one in the ring for the tag team is...wait for it...George W. Bush  Gin   Dec-11-10 09:51 AM   #71 
     - Ya know what, that may be a real possibility....a shameful one but  Jefferson23   Dec-11-10 09:58 AM   #73 
     - don't think Georgie Boy wants to play politics anymore except to rewrite history  wordpix   Dec-11-10 01:01 PM   #109 
  - They need more than 8 to filibuster. Now, it seems they are demanding to add more onto the deficit  wisteria   Dec-11-10 09:46 AM   #70 
  - They also need a bill on the floor  slackmaster   Dec-11-10 09:54 AM   #72 
  - Doesn't accomplish ANYthing? I disagree.  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 10:49 AM   #82 
  - Hmm, checking the blogs, facebook and tweeter  golddigger   Dec-11-10 11:43 AM   #92 
  - tick away the hours until they gain more control.  AlbertCat   Dec-11-10 10:18 AM   #78 
  - richies' tax cut expires so may be the best thing - let the clock run out & let the repukes  wordpix   Dec-11-10 12:59 PM   #108 
     - Fine, they expire for everyone and the deficit decreased by 25 to 35%.  wisteria   Dec-11-10 03:09 PM   #123 
        - I certainly don't want middle class tax cuts to expire BUT if all the cuts expire,  wordpix   Dec-11-10 07:27 PM   #136 
  - They will not have enough control to invoke cloture and Obama still holds the veto pen.  No Elephants   Dec-11-10 10:46 AM   #81 
  - Really? Obama is acting like one of them and you say he holds the veto pen?  RC   Dec-11-10 01:54 PM   #115 
  - the repugs may watch the clock, but the tax cuts expire Dec. 31 so  wordpix   Dec-11-10 12:56 PM   #106 
  - well he works for a living God love him  lovuian   Dec-11-10 11:06 AM   #85 
  - While I do deeply respect Sen. Sanders for his stand  customerserviceguy   Dec-11-10 11:39 AM   #90 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Dec-11-10 12:49 PM   #104 
  - Bernie Sanders for president in 2012!  KeyserSoze87   Dec-11-10 01:39 PM   #112 
  - Go Bernie Go! This entire thing SMELLS to high heavens and needs to be tossed out.  SoapBox   Dec-11-10 02:42 PM   #120 
  - it hasn't even been debated, gone through a committee or two, nothing---it's a rush job  wordpix   Dec-11-10 07:28 PM   #137 
  - Thanks to all who are trying to help us fund our government services with our money.  earcandle   Dec-11-10 03:09 PM   #124 
  - You know what this is called? It's called LEADERSHIP! nt  paparush   Dec-11-10 04:05 PM   #127 
  - It's absolutely astounding to me, in a good way,  Blue_In_AK   Dec-11-10 04:12 PM   #128 
  - Why the hell is a real filibuster in quotes, while all the fake filibusters are not?  JackRiddler   Dec-11-10 05:46 PM   #133 
  - It wasn't a filibuster  Still a Democrat   Dec-11-10 08:06 PM   # 
  - He ate up business for a day. Hope he does it again Monday.  JackRiddler   Dec-11-10 08:15 PM   #140 
  - It wasn't a filibuster  Still a Democrat   Dec-11-10 08:06 PM   #138 
  - Mark Udall signed the letter!  bobbolink   Dec-11-10 08:09 PM   #139 
  - it doesn't surprise me to see Franken's name...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-11-10 08:15 PM   #141 

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