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24. Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 10:03 PM by kpete
Source: Mother Jones

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe

Zuma/Paul Morse

A WikiLeaks cable shows that when Spain considered a criminal case against ex-Bush officials, the Obama White House and Republicans got really bipartisan.

By David Corn

Wed Dec. 1, 2010 2:47 PM PST

In its first months in office, the Obama administration sought to protect Bush administration officials facing criminal investigation overseas for their involvement in establishing policies the that governed interrogations of detained terrorist suspects. A "confidential" April 17, 2009, cable sent from the US embassy in Madrid to the State Departmentone of the 251,287 cables obtained by WikiLeaksdetails how the Obama administration, working with Republicans, leaned on Spain to derail this potential prosecution.

The previous month, a Spanish human rights group called the Association for the Dignity of Spanish Prisoners had requested that Spain's National Court indict six former Bush officials for, as the cable describes it, "creating a legal framework that allegedly permitted torture." The six were former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; David Addington, former chief of staff and legal adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney; William Haynes, the Pentagon's former general counsel; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense for policy; Jay Bybee, former head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel; and John Yoo, a former official in the Office of Legal Counsel. The human rights group contended that Spain had a duty to open an investigation under the nation's "universal jurisdiction" law, which permits its legal system to prosecute overseas human rights crimes involving Spanish citizens and residents. Five Guantanamo detainees, the group maintained, fit that criteria.

Soon after the request was made, the US embassy in Madrid began tracking the matter. On April 1, embassy officials spoke with chief prosecutor Javier Zaragoza, who indicated that he was not pleased to have been handed this case, but he believed that the complaint appeared to be well-documented and he'd have to pursue it. Around that time, the acting deputy chief of the US embassy talked to the chief of staff for Spain's foreign minister and a senior official in the Spanish Ministry of Justice to convey, as the cable says, "that this was a very serious matter for the USG." The two Spaniards "expressed their concern at the case but stressed the independence of the Spanish judiciary."

Two weeks later, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) and the embassy's charge d'affaires "raised the issue" with another official at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The next day, Zaragoza informed the US embassy that the complaint might not be legally sound. He noted he would ask Cndido Conde-Pumpido, Spain's attorney general, to review whether Spain had jurisdiction.

Read more: http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable...



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http://harpers.org/archive/2010/12/hbc-90007836
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  -Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe Grassy Knoll  Dec-01-10 08:27 PM   #0 
  - Well, isn't that special!  katandmoon   Dec-01-10 08:28 PM   #1 
  - Very special.  Enthusiast   Dec-02-10 08:29 AM   #40 
     - Its just "Bush Lite"  saigon68   Dec-04-10 07:25 AM   #123 
        - More Torture and Death  saigon68   Dec-04-10 08:14 AM   #125 
  - Any particular reason?  aquart   Dec-01-10 08:31 PM   #2 
  - well for one  timo   Dec-01-10 09:30 PM   #11 
  - We shall see. The Teabaggers were elected for one purpose --  JDPriestly   Dec-01-10 09:55 PM   #16 
     - ????  timo   Dec-01-10 10:23 PM   #18 
     - Torture isn't grey.  Enthusiast   Dec-02-10 08:33 AM   #41 
        - Exactly - I am very disapointed that the Democrats did not repeal  karynnj   Dec-02-10 08:56 AM   #45 
        - We, as a country, are the biggest terrorists in the world  Angry Dragon   Dec-02-10 01:06 PM   #54 
        - They were held accountable  DeadEyeDyck   Dec-02-10 06:58 PM   #106 
        - The U.S. and it's allies set precedents after WWII about how war criminals would be dealt with  dflprincess   Dec-02-10 08:36 PM   #108 
           - Right you are!  Enthusiast   Dec-03-10 05:20 AM   #116 
        - All sides tortured during WWII--it was a real war.  Creative   Dec-03-10 05:04 PM   #119 
     - Agreed.  Major Hogwash   Dec-02-10 08:39 AM   #43 
  - Maybe he was thinking ahead the to the things he has authorized  24601   Dec-02-10 01:12 PM   #55 
  - BINGO!!! (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-02-10 02:02 PM   #57 
  - How about we didn't want to upset the republican base...  Larry Ogg   Dec-02-10 06:36 PM   #104 
  - K&R  DeSwiss   Dec-01-10 08:35 PM   #3 
  - This is so fucked up......  Grassy Knoll   Dec-01-10 08:45 PM   #4 
  - This is the part of the article that sickens me the most:  DeSwiss   Dec-01-10 09:03 PM   #9 
  - well....  shanti   Dec-02-10 02:05 PM   #58 
  - and, in the process, tie the anchor around everyone else's neck  UpInArms   Dec-01-10 09:07 PM   #10 
  - The President of the USA  FinGovi   Dec-02-10 06:52 AM   #37 
  - Yep...  Iowa   Dec-02-10 01:01 PM   #51 
  - Obama in a nut shell  BlueJac   Dec-02-10 04:17 PM   #98 
  - Way to disillusion the progressive base... nt  Arrowhead2k1   Dec-01-10 08:51 PM   #5 
  - rogue nations....  unkachuck   Dec-01-10 08:55 PM   #6 
  - It was obvious. One minute, the Spanish judge was all over Bushco like white  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 08:59 PM   #7 
  - That "Let's don't look back" policy - Isn't every criminal trial an effort at looking back?  Bozita   Dec-01-10 09:37 PM   #12 
  - Yes., unless you count science fiction, like Speilberg's Minority Report.  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 09:59 PM   #17 
  - And this is probably  FinGovi   Dec-02-10 06:54 AM   #38 
  - damn you ralph nader!  frylock   Dec-01-10 09:01 PM   #8 
  - !  OnyxCollie   Dec-01-10 09:43 PM   #13 
  - Aw, give it a rest...  ProudDad   Dec-03-10 01:43 AM   #115 
  - The final straw  Mosaic   Dec-01-10 09:48 PM   #14 
  - I won't either.  Iowa   Dec-02-10 01:04 PM   #52 
  - Going around the block to get next door to Republicans.  Metta   Dec-01-10 09:48 PM   #15 
  - k/r  TeaBagsAreForCups   Dec-01-10 10:30 PM   #19 
  - And people wonder why we're giving up on Obama.  donheld   Dec-01-10 10:34 PM   #20 
  - even when Obama does the dirty work for repugs,  Betty   Dec-01-10 10:54 PM   #21 
  - Because, that's how they are WINNING against him (and US).  Amonester   Dec-01-10 11:18 PM   #32 
     - Yes, and you know, they're never going to lay off him anyway.  caseymoz   Dec-02-10 03:36 PM   #61 
  - Hopetastic! n/t  QC   Dec-01-10 10:57 PM   #22 
  - You want my theory? Here it is...  Peace Patriot   Dec-01-10 11:10 PM   #23 
  - You should post this as an OP.  intheflow   Dec-02-10 12:34 AM   #33 
  - Absolutely correct. Please post as OP.  watrwefitinfor   Dec-02-10 08:34 AM   #42 
     - Okay. But I can't do it today. I'll post it as an OP tomorrow, Friday, 12/3/10 at 10 am PST  Peace Patriot   Dec-02-10 12:20 PM   #48 
        - I look forward to it, Peace Patriot!  robertpaulsen   Dec-02-10 04:12 PM   #97 
           - I'll post it in General Discussion tomorrow at 10 a.m. Thanks for the suggestion.  Peace Patriot   Dec-02-10 10:05 PM   #111 
  - Show Us the Way Out! Is there a way out?  Demeter   Dec-02-10 07:09 AM   #39 
  - Well, I think we need a REAL 'Boston Tea Party,' not this "Madhatter Tea Party" thing out of "Alice  Peace Patriot   Dec-02-10 12:42 PM   #50 
     - Mad Hatter Tea Party Describes It Perfectly!  Demeter   Dec-02-10 03:31 PM   #60 
        - Feel free! I've been thinking that the "Mad Hatter's Tea Party" perfectly describes this mockery  Peace Patriot   Dec-02-10 08:37 PM   #109 
  - Interesting theory.  Enthusiast   Dec-02-10 08:50 AM   #44 
  - Bingo! n/t  DeSwiss   Dec-02-10 09:25 AM   #46 
  - Far too plausible. Excellent analysis!  Vidar   Dec-02-10 11:52 AM   #47 
  - replying to you so i can remind myself  Soylent Brice   Dec-02-10 06:55 PM   #105 
  - What's interesting is I commented on a breaking story last month  syberlion   Dec-03-10 12:32 AM   #112 
  - Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe  kpete   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #24 
  - Confirms my view...  naaman fletcher   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #25 
  - Kabuki Theater  Mosaic   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #30 
  - The first step would be to put the shovel down.  obxhead   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #26 
  - Judd Gregg, the guy Obama wanted in his Cabinet. Sec. of Commerce, was it?  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #27 
  - Thanks kpete....  Grassy Knoll   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #28 
  - k/r  TeaBagsAreForCups   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #29 
  - Finally! Bipartisanship!!!!  neverforget   Dec-01-10 11:12 PM   #31 
  - Obama said no to Main St. but yes to Wall street and let BP slide!!!  Imagevision   Dec-02-10 04:51 AM   #34 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Dec-02-10 05:03 AM   #35 
  - kicked  TeaBagsAreForCups   Dec-02-10 06:41 AM   #36 
  - K&R  Celtic Raven   Dec-02-10 12:27 PM   #49 
  - Protecting Torturers and War Criminals...  bvar22   Dec-02-10 01:05 PM   #53 
  - Change...?  ProudDad   Dec-02-10 02:01 PM   #56 
  - One thing in public, another thing in the shadows.  democrank   Dec-02-10 03:00 PM   #59 
  - Wikileaks: Obama Administration Secretly Worked To Prevent Prosecution of War Crimes By The Bush Adm  daa   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #62 
  - Perhaps this is why Obama looked a little off when accepting the Nobel  Taverner   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #63 
  - And with that in his heart, he used the prize to sell his Afghani war.  caseymoz   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #72 
  - "What The Fuck" Seems To Be The Phrase Of The Day (nt)  Dinger   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #64 
  - Does covering up war crimes...  niceypoo   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #65 
  - I'm Thinking Yes, But Then What?  Dinger   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #67 
  - Legally speaking, yes.  caseymoz   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #73 
  - Article 2, section 4.  BadgerKid   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #77 
  - Only the winners decide what were war crimes.  golddigger   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #69 
     - The question is, then, does good always win at the end?  caseymoz   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #74 
  - Is There Anyone Here Who Would Like To Try And Defend This?  Dinger   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #66 
  - we went around and around with this last nite..  frylock   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #71 
  - I'm Not Sure McCain Would Have Stood Still for This  Demeter   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #79 
  - Yes he would have  Doctor_J   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #84 
  - They have a point, problem is it isn't a defense of him.  caseymoz   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #83 
  - I'd be happy to  RZM   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #76 
  - How far down the toilet is this country  EFerrari   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #81 
  - Abolition of Slavery Wasn't Popular, Either  Demeter   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #82 
  - Exactly (nt)  Dinger   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #86 
  - I think it's tough to equate the two  RZM   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #90 
     - It's EXACTLY as Transformational  Demeter   Dec-02-10 08:56 PM   #110 
  - They do not know that at all.  Hissyspit   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #88 
  - From what I know  RZM   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #91 
     - This is not about impeaching Bush. It's about Spain's investigation.  Hissyspit   Dec-02-10 04:32 PM   #99 
        - But my reasoning rests upon the fact that those pushing for this are outside the US  RZM   Dec-02-10 04:47 PM   #101 
  - I'm certain Obama & Co. thought they were being politically clever.  caseymoz   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #89 
  - I think he has a politician's idea of what government power should be  RZM   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #93 
     - If that's the case, and I think it is, the country's doomed.  caseymoz   Dec-02-10 05:08 PM   #103 
  - republicans are in the minority in this country  ProudDad   Dec-03-10 01:42 AM   #113 
     - I guess there's no real way to know that  RZM   Dec-03-10 11:07 AM   #117 
  - Sure. You protect your own  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #92 
     - Nothing says anyone is going to protect Obamaco because Obama protected Bushco,  No Elephants   Dec-04-10 07:17 AM   #120 
  - Accessories after the fact. Beyond the pale. War criminals continue to walk free. n/t  Mnemosyne    Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #68 
  - That's why Don Siegelman's appeal pleas are still ignored while corrupt Ted Stevens was released...  cascadiance   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #70 
  - Now, the poor guy is gonna have his hands full getting Cheney off the hook.  Dr.Phool   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #75 
  - Worst Kept Secret in the World  Demeter   Dec-02-10 04:07 PM   #78 
  - He is now officially complicit.  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #80 
  - I fucking hate this!  lunatica   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #85 
  - I guess now we know why it was "off the table".  Frisbee   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #87 
  - I'm shocked that anyone here is shocked by this.  FLPanhandle   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #94 
  - agree-no way would any prez let this happen-not shocking  katty   Dec-02-10 04:50 PM   #102 
  - That's why bush/cheney don't DARE leave the country (n/t)  ProudDad   Dec-03-10 01:43 AM   #114 
  - I doubt they would anyway. Before becoming Pres, Incurious George never left the U.S.,  No Elephants   Dec-04-10 07:24 AM   #122 
  - Your saying "there's no fucking way" proves something to anyone?  No Elephants   Dec-04-10 07:26 AM   #124 
  - Because congress was as guilty as Bush for the most part.  Hubert Flottz   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #95 
  - so now Obama is officially a war criminal -- can they take that Nobel back?  northernlights   Dec-02-10 04:08 PM   #96 
  - Looks like Spain had a backup plan to derail any Gitmo torture investigation  rainbow4321   Dec-02-10 04:37 PM   #100 
  - Vote Repuke so that you Are-ALL-happy-All the time while  maritzasolito   Dec-02-10 07:41 PM   #107 
     - no, dont' vote Repuke  DemReadingDU   Dec-03-10 12:37 PM   #118 
     - I have a better idea. Vote for a liberal Democrat.  No Elephants   Dec-04-10 07:21 AM   #121 
 

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