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Tue Nov-30-10 12:01 PM
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Even Conservatives have admitted that it's unconstitutional. It's good that it got smacked down, but it would have been better had it never passed in the first place.
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| -Oklahoma’s Ban on Shariah Law in Court Is Blocked |
Scurrilous |
Nov-29-10 04:32 PM |
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Activist judges! I can see the anti-Sharia laws spreading like anti-gay amendments. |
thereismore |
Nov-29-10 04:40 PM |
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Gays don't have a habit of chopping heads off and blowing up buildings |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-10 08:34 PM |
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Maybe you could explain exactly what sharia Laws have been used in US courtrooms? |
Winterblues |
Nov-30-10 05:14 PM |
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Neither do 1.5 billion Muslims, certainly not Oklahoma Muslims. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 10:34 PM |
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When did gay stop being the new gay? Do parents and clergy of Muslims shun Muslims and tell them |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 10:31 PM |
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Reminds me of a comic book I read as a kid, about Mars. |
jobycom |
Nov-29-10 04:40 PM |
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And you took away from that story not to attack people or places for trumped up reasons, as |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 04:55 AM |
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Drawing in the moron vote! |
Lasher |
Nov-29-10 04:49 PM |
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How would a flag amendment spill over on Obama? He's never burned a flag. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 07:14 AM |
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Like there aren't enough REAL threats to be afraid of! |
AlbertCat |
Nov-29-10 04:58 PM |
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How the hell does someone equate religious law with International Law? |
robinlynne |
Nov-29-10 04:59 PM |
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Religion and law should never mix. |
AlbertCat |
Nov-29-10 05:07 PM |
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Because neither has a place in our judicial system |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-10 05:30 PM |
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Treaties rather thoroughly have a place in the US legal system |
Posteritatis |
Nov-29-10 07:46 PM |
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This isn't about treaties |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-10 08:32 PM |
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So, the Muscogee Creek Nation of Oklahoma is... what? |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 08:46 PM |
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Uhhh, no. |
Posteritatis |
Nov-30-10 04:06 AM |
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It includes treaties, but it is not limited to them n/t |
DissedByBush |
Nov-30-10 04:05 PM |
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You got one right! But, given your reply #34, only by accident. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 10:46 PM |
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Laws made by other nations? |
Demstud |
Nov-30-10 08:19 AM |
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Depends on how you define "made a difference." |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 01:32 AM |
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No, laws made by other nations is not international law, any more than U.S. law is international law |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 10:52 PM |
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That's how it seems to me. International Law, if our country has signed onto it, |
robinlynne |
Nov-29-10 11:33 PM |
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I think do not torture is one of those little international laws. |
robinlynne |
Nov-29-10 11:34 PM |
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(A) It needs no enforcement; (B) no law "enforces" anything; and |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 10:39 PM |
#90 |
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Conservatives hate both |
Posteritatis |
Nov-29-10 07:48 PM |
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K & R, from an Okie |
a la izquierda |
Nov-29-10 05:02 PM |
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I'm not completely clear on this issue... |
Mhak |
Nov-29-10 05:02 PM |
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Can someone please explain to me what I'm apparently missing |
AlbertCat |
Nov-29-10 05:11 PM |
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That didn't help at all. |
Mhak |
Nov-29-10 05:16 PM |
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Nobody is |
Goldom |
Nov-29-10 05:28 PM |
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You are fundamentally correct and the judge is saying it has no business in the State Constitution |
Brother Buzz |
Nov-29-10 05:28 PM |
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The GOP version |
bongbong |
Nov-29-10 05:42 PM |
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Remember, my friend, that many Democrats also own firearms ... |
spin |
Nov-29-10 06:31 PM |
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2nd Amendment? |
bongbong |
Nov-29-10 07:00 PM |
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Well regulated had a different meaning in those days ... |
spin |
Nov-29-10 07:41 PM |
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Yah.. and "arms" had a different meaning, too |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 08:24 PM |
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Yes |
bongbong |
Nov-29-10 09:10 PM |
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If you are right than explain these quotes from the founding fathers ... |
spin |
Nov-29-10 11:00 PM |
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No explanation needed! |
bongbong |
Nov-30-10 11:14 AM |
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I think we both have to admit that there was a lot of good discussion ... |
spin |
Nov-30-10 03:19 PM |
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Oh, please, Louise. What a few politicians say is not necessarily what |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 11:37 PM |
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No gun owner that I know wants to own a nuke ... |
spin |
Nov-29-10 10:50 PM |
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No soldier that I know wants to be quartered in someone's home without their consent, either |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 11:07 PM |
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I think our soldiers in Iraq enjoyed being in Saddam's palaces ... |
spin |
Nov-29-10 11:28 PM |
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And you accused another poster of an argument without relevance or substance? |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 12:35 AM |
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Lotsa gun owners, however, DO WANT.... |
bongbong |
Nov-30-10 11:18 AM |
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I'm surprised that you were not aware of the fact that Americans ... |
spin |
Nov-30-10 03:48 PM |
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Putting words in my mouth |
bongbong |
Dec-01-10 10:01 AM |
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Why do you accuse those who support RKBA of "gun love" ... |
spin |
Dec-01-10 10:04 PM |
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Nope. Exaggerating to make a point does not render the point made irrelevant or |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 12:21 AM |
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So did speech and press. |
beevul |
Nov-30-10 01:08 PM |
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Red Herring |
bongbong |
Nov-29-10 09:06 PM |
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While it is fun to argue about the meaning of terms such as "well regulated" |
spin |
Nov-29-10 11:34 PM |
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SCOTUS argument irrelevent |
bongbong |
Nov-30-10 11:21 AM |
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This Isn't though. |
beevul |
Nov-30-10 01:05 PM |
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You should read my posts |
bongbong |
Nov-30-10 01:09 PM |
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That is NOT the preamble to the bill of rights. And your source is not |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 01:58 AM |
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My first good laugh of the day ... |
spin |
Nov-30-10 03:10 PM |
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spelling errors |
bongbong |
Dec-01-10 09:50 AM |
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Now you are putting words in my mouth ... |
spin |
Dec-01-10 11:24 PM |
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hating to beat a dead horse |
bongbong |
Dec-02-10 02:31 PM |
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Not irrelevant to Daley, but not infallible or necessarily the final word on what the 2nd |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 02:11 AM |
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Heller is a narrow decision. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 01:50 AM |
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How on earth does citing a reference to practices of well regulated |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 11:54 PM |
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Owning a gun is the same as reading the 2d am. as saying "Guns for everybody." |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 11:06 PM |
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OMG, what a huge |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 11:17 PM |
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Aw, crap |
ProudDad |
Nov-30-10 04:03 PM |
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I don't think this law favors any religion. Rather, I think it discriminates AGAINST one religion. |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 11:01 PM |
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It comes up in several contexts |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 06:31 PM |
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I did not know Sharia law forbids interest. Thanks. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 02:33 AM |
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You're missing that this law singles out ONE religion. It does not say, for |
No Elephants |
Dec-01-10 10:57 PM |
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Ummmm... Get a clue |
LuckyTheDog |
Nov-29-10 05:29 PM |
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Ohh-k, that cleared it for me. |
Mhak |
Nov-29-10 06:00 PM |
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Excellent metaphor! But, you seem to be trying to duck this issue. (Couldn't resist.) |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 02:21 AM |
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Yes, because we have the separation of church and state this ballot measure... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-29-10 05:45 PM |
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That's actually incorrect |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 06:33 PM |
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I get your point. Still going to say it was put on the ballot for nefarious reasons. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-29-10 08:13 PM |
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yes, it was an expression of dumbth |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 08:23 PM |
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I agree the facts are important and thank you for correcting me, but... |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-30-10 07:07 AM |
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Agree. You may be interested in Reply 112. It's not my best writing, but maybe |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 03:49 AM |
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Google is your friend. |
beevul |
Nov-29-10 09:09 PM |
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Intent and state of mind matter in certain circumstances |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 10:05 PM |
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The appeal took well over a year, |
woo me with science |
Nov-30-10 12:12 AM |
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Dupe |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 03:34 AM |
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Yes, but, in denying the restraining order, the judge erred as to NJ law, Sharia had nothing to do |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 03:34 AM |
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I stand corrected and said so above. |
Pacifist Patriot |
Nov-30-10 07:09 AM |
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I see nothing at that link indicating the case was decided under Sharia law. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 02:48 AM |
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If adopted it would prohibit Oklahoma courts from recognizing Saudi Arabian marriages |
yellowcanine |
Nov-30-10 11:23 AM |
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The judge's ruling makes sense: |
robinlynne |
Nov-29-10 05:03 PM |
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The judge was wrong, Shariah is law |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-10 05:35 PM |
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Anything in a contract between two parties will apply in a US court |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 06:34 PM |
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Contracts have limits |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-10 08:30 PM |
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WTF? |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 08:39 PM |
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Have religious food rulings ever been appealed under 1st Amendment? |
Bragi |
Nov-30-10 09:48 AM |
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Are you kidding, there are laws on the subject |
jberryhill |
Nov-30-10 07:03 PM |
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Noted |
Bragi |
Dec-01-10 10:21 AM |
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Kosher laws and the First Amendment |
jberryhill |
Dec-02-10 01:13 AM |
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Thanks for that |
Bragi |
Dec-02-10 07:29 AM |
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Saying laws exist doesn't answer the question whether they should exist or whether . |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 04:42 AM |
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Reality based hypotheticals are easier. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 04:18 AM |
#114 |
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Good arguments |
Bragi |
Dec-02-10 07:34 AM |
#128 |
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All of that is completely irrelevant |
DissedByBush |
Nov-30-10 04:08 PM |
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Not relevant to the OP, but very relevant to this subthread. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 04:48 AM |
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Wrong idea--and the amendment's poor wording reflects the islamaphobia |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 04:58 AM |
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OMG! |
cyr330 |
Nov-29-10 06:38 PM |
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If we consider Shariah Law, it would also seem logical that we would have ... |
spin |
Nov-29-10 06:50 PM |
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If Sharia law is allowed, yes... we ought to allow any religious law people like! |
ProgressiveMajority |
Nov-29-10 08:48 PM |
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Read these sections of Oklahoma's marriage statutes: |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 10:11 PM |
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Interesting, yes. But it doesn't contradict barring Sharia law in judges Decisions |
ProgressiveMajority |
Nov-29-10 11:31 PM |
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"such" incorporates the previous qualifiers |
jberryhill |
Nov-29-10 11:54 PM |
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Really? So in Oklahoma there have never been Muslim marriages? n/t |
ProgressiveMajority |
Nov-30-10 11:35 AM |
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Well, it's a valid reading of the statute |
jberryhill |
Nov-30-10 12:25 PM |
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Do Muslim clerics qualify under "the Gospel" clause? |
ieoeja |
Nov-30-10 04:13 PM |
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Link? |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 05:56 AM |
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Not necessarily. You could have an Islamic clergy member marry you, BUT |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 05:23 AM |
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So,a wiccan or Budhist ceremony is out of the question? I guess Oklahoma |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 05:17 AM |
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Sure. Let;s not allow jurors to shoot judges, either. Let's pass a law |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 05:09 AM |
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Sharia law has already been used (but then overturned) in a U.S court |
Bragi |
Nov-30-10 08:21 AM |
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It's such a minor case, and was overturned... |
ProgressiveMajority |
Nov-30-10 06:49 PM |
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I think we need to acknowledge the facts in any debate |
Bragi |
Dec-01-10 10:18 AM |
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If we don't point out some positive aspect of Sharia, than why not have a constitutional ban on it? |
ProgressiveMajority |
Dec-01-10 01:27 PM |
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Not sure we disagree |
Bragi |
Dec-01-10 01:40 PM |
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Yeah, I think we do agree! That's a rare thing for me online... :) |
ProgressiveMajority |
Dec-01-10 04:55 PM |
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It was never used. Please see Reply 122 and 112. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 05:49 AM |
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Sharia law was NOT used. And NJ Superior Court overturned it in July of this year. |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 05:40 AM |
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P.S. As far as sources: |
No Elephants |
Dec-02-10 07:08 AM |
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No surprise. |
aranthus |
Nov-30-10 12:01 PM |
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Oklahoma gvrnmt sure has time and $$ to burn huh? |
lunasun |
Dec-01-10 10:47 PM |
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Who in any case... |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-02-10 02:43 PM |
#130 |
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