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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #27
39. Red Herring
It's clear what "well-regulated" means from FP #29. FP #46 doesn't mention it, nor does it contradict the definition from FP #29. Obviously the words "well-regulated" were put into the 2nd Amendment for a reason. And FP #29 makes it clear what that phrase means.

The rest of your quotes, points, etc are completely irrelevant to the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.

You'll have to do a lot better than that. Maybe you can do a little mind-reading of what the Founding Fathers "really" meant when they wrote the Constitution. That's usually the next step.
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  -Oklahomas Ban on Shariah Law in Court Is Blocked Scurrilous  Nov-29-10 04:32 PM   #0 
  - Activist judges! I can see the anti-Sharia laws spreading like anti-gay amendments.  thereismore   Nov-29-10 04:40 PM   #1 
  - Gays don't have a habit of chopping heads off and blowing up buildings  DissedByBush   Nov-29-10 08:34 PM   #35 
  - Maybe you could explain exactly what sharia Laws have been used in US courtrooms?  Winterblues   Nov-30-10 05:14 PM   #77 
  - Neither do 1.5 billion Muslims, certainly not Oklahoma Muslims.  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 10:34 PM   #89 
  - When did gay stop being the new gay? Do parents and clergy of Muslims shun Muslims and tell them  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 10:31 PM   #88 
  - Reminds me of a comic book I read as a kid, about Mars.  jobycom   Nov-29-10 04:40 PM   #2 
  - And you took away from that story not to attack people or places for trumped up reasons, as  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 04:55 AM   #117 
  - Drawing in the moron vote!  Lasher   Nov-29-10 04:49 PM   #3 
  - How would a flag amendment spill over on Obama? He's never burned a flag.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 07:14 AM   #126 
  - Like there aren't enough REAL threats to be afraid of!  AlbertCat   Nov-29-10 04:58 PM   #4 
  - How the hell does someone equate religious law with International Law?  robinlynne   Nov-29-10 04:59 PM   #5 
  - Religion and law should never mix.  AlbertCat   Nov-29-10 05:07 PM   #9 
  - Because neither has a place in our judicial system  DissedByBush   Nov-29-10 05:30 PM   #15 
  - Treaties rather thoroughly have a place in the US legal system  Posteritatis   Nov-29-10 07:46 PM   #28 
  - This isn't about treaties  DissedByBush   Nov-29-10 08:32 PM   #34 
  - So, the Muscogee Creek Nation of Oklahoma is... what?  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 08:46 PM   #37 
  - Uhhh, no.  Posteritatis   Nov-30-10 04:06 AM   #54 
  - It includes treaties, but it is not limited to them n/t  DissedByBush   Nov-30-10 04:05 PM   #74 
     - You got one right! But, given your reply #34, only by accident.  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 10:46 PM   #91 
  - Laws made by other nations?  Demstud   Nov-30-10 08:19 AM   #57 
  - Depends on how you define "made a difference."  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 01:32 AM   #104 
  - No, laws made by other nations is not international law, any more than U.S. law is international law  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 10:52 PM   #93 
  - That's how it seems to me. International Law, if our country has signed onto it,  robinlynne   Nov-29-10 11:33 PM   #49 
     - I think do not torture is one of those little international laws.  robinlynne   Nov-29-10 11:34 PM   #50 
  - (A) It needs no enforcement; (B) no law "enforces" anything; and  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 10:39 PM   #90 
  - Conservatives hate both  Posteritatis   Nov-29-10 07:48 PM   #29 
  - K & R, from an Okie  a la izquierda   Nov-29-10 05:02 PM   #6 
  - I'm not completely clear on this issue...  Mhak   Nov-29-10 05:02 PM   #7 
  - Can someone please explain to me what I'm apparently missing  AlbertCat   Nov-29-10 05:11 PM   #10 
  - That didn't help at all.  Mhak   Nov-29-10 05:16 PM   #11 
     - Nobody is  Goldom   Nov-29-10 05:28 PM   #12 
     - You are fundamentally correct and the judge is saying it has no business in the State Constitution  Brother Buzz   Nov-29-10 05:28 PM   #13 
     - The GOP version  bongbong   Nov-29-10 05:42 PM   #17 
     - Remember, my friend, that many Democrats also own firearms ...  spin   Nov-29-10 06:31 PM   #21 
     - 2nd Amendment?  bongbong   Nov-29-10 07:00 PM   #26 
     - Well regulated had a different meaning in those days ...  spin   Nov-29-10 07:41 PM   #27 
        - Yah.. and "arms" had a different meaning, too  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 08:24 PM   #32 
        - Yes  bongbong   Nov-29-10 09:10 PM   #41 
        - If you are right than explain these quotes from the founding fathers ...  spin   Nov-29-10 11:00 PM   #45 
           - No explanation needed!  bongbong   Nov-30-10 11:14 AM   #60 
           - I think we both have to admit that there was a lot of good discussion ...  spin   Nov-30-10 03:19 PM   #71 
           - Oh, please, Louise. What a few politicians say is not necessarily what  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 11:37 PM   #99 
        - No gun owner that I know wants to own a nuke ...  spin   Nov-29-10 10:50 PM   #44 
        - No soldier that I know wants to be quartered in someone's home without their consent, either  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 11:07 PM   #46 
        - I think our soldiers in Iraq enjoyed being in Saddam's palaces ...  spin   Nov-29-10 11:28 PM   #47 
           - And you accused another poster of an argument without relevance or substance?  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 12:35 AM   #102 
        - Lotsa gun owners, however, DO WANT....  bongbong   Nov-30-10 11:18 AM   #61 
        - I'm surprised that you were not aware of the fact that Americans ...  spin   Nov-30-10 03:48 PM   #72 
           - Putting words in my mouth  bongbong   Dec-01-10 10:01 AM   #81 
              - Why do you accuse those who support RKBA of "gun love" ...  spin   Dec-01-10 10:04 PM   #87 
        - Nope. Exaggerating to make a point does not render the point made irrelevant or  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 12:21 AM   #101 
        - So did speech and press.  beevul   Nov-30-10 01:08 PM   #68 
        - Red Herring  bongbong   Nov-29-10 09:06 PM   #39 
        - While it is fun to argue about the meaning of terms such as "well regulated"  spin   Nov-29-10 11:34 PM   #51 
           - SCOTUS argument irrelevent  bongbong   Nov-30-10 11:21 AM   #62 
           - This Isn't though.  beevul   Nov-30-10 01:05 PM   #67 
           - You should read my posts  bongbong   Nov-30-10 01:09 PM   #69 
           - That is NOT the preamble to the bill of rights. And your source is not  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 01:58 AM   #106 
           - My first good laugh of the day ...  spin   Nov-30-10 03:10 PM   #70 
              - spelling errors  bongbong   Dec-01-10 09:50 AM   #80 
              - Now you are putting words in my mouth ...  spin   Dec-01-10 11:24 PM   #98 
                 - hating to beat a dead horse  bongbong   Dec-02-10 02:31 PM   #129 
              - Not irrelevant to Daley, but not infallible or necessarily the final word on what the 2nd  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 02:11 AM   #107 
           - Heller is a narrow decision.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 01:50 AM   #105 
        - How on earth does citing a reference to practices of well regulated  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 11:54 PM   #100 
     - Owning a gun is the same as reading the 2d am. as saying "Guns for everybody."  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 11:06 PM   #96 
     - OMG, what a huge  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 11:17 PM   #97 
     - Aw, crap  ProudDad   Nov-30-10 04:03 PM   #73 
     - I don't think this law favors any religion. Rather, I think it discriminates AGAINST one religion.  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 11:01 PM   #95 
     - It comes up in several contexts  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 06:31 PM   #20 
     - I did not know Sharia law forbids interest. Thanks.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 02:33 AM   #109 
     - You're missing that this law singles out ONE religion. It does not say, for  No Elephants   Dec-01-10 10:57 PM   #94 
  - Ummmm... Get a clue  LuckyTheDog   Nov-29-10 05:29 PM   #14 
  - Ohh-k, that cleared it for me.  Mhak   Nov-29-10 06:00 PM   #19 
  - Excellent metaphor! But, you seem to be trying to duck this issue. (Couldn't resist.)  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 02:21 AM   #108 
  - Yes, because we have the separation of church and state this ballot measure...  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-29-10 05:45 PM   #18 
  - That's actually incorrect  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 06:33 PM   #22 
  - I get your point. Still going to say it was put on the ballot for nefarious reasons.  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-29-10 08:13 PM   #30 
     - yes, it was an expression of dumbth  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 08:23 PM   #31 
        - I agree the facts are important and thank you for correcting me, but...  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-30-10 07:07 AM   #55 
           - Agree. You may be interested in Reply 112. It's not my best writing, but maybe  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 03:49 AM   #113 
  - Google is your friend.  beevul   Nov-29-10 09:09 PM   #40 
     - Intent and state of mind matter in certain circumstances  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 10:05 PM   #42 
     - The appeal took well over a year,  woo me with science   Nov-30-10 12:12 AM   #53 
        - Dupe  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 03:34 AM   #111 
        - Yes, but, in denying the restraining order, the judge erred as to NJ law, Sharia had nothing to do  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 03:34 AM   #112 
     - I stand corrected and said so above.  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-30-10 07:09 AM   #56 
     - I see nothing at that link indicating the case was decided under Sharia law.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 02:48 AM   #110 
  - If adopted it would prohibit Oklahoma courts from recognizing Saudi Arabian marriages  yellowcanine   Nov-30-10 11:23 AM   #63 
  - The judge's ruling makes sense:  robinlynne   Nov-29-10 05:03 PM   #8 
  - The judge was wrong, Shariah is law  DissedByBush   Nov-29-10 05:35 PM   #16 
     - Anything in a contract between two parties will apply in a US court  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 06:34 PM   #23 
     - Contracts have limits  DissedByBush   Nov-29-10 08:30 PM   #33 
        - WTF?  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 08:39 PM   #36 
           - Have religious food rulings ever been appealed under 1st Amendment?  Bragi   Nov-30-10 09:48 AM   #59 
           - Are you kidding, there are laws on the subject  jberryhill   Nov-30-10 07:03 PM   #79 
           - Noted  Bragi   Dec-01-10 10:21 AM   #83 
           - Kosher laws and the First Amendment  jberryhill   Dec-02-10 01:13 AM   #103 
              - Thanks for that  Bragi   Dec-02-10 07:29 AM   #127 
           - Saying laws exist doesn't answer the question whether they should exist or whether .  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 04:42 AM   #115 
           - Reality based hypotheticals are easier.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 04:18 AM   #114 
              - Good arguments  Bragi   Dec-02-10 07:34 AM   #128 
           - All of that is completely irrelevant  DissedByBush   Nov-30-10 04:08 PM   #75 
              - Not relevant to the OP, but very relevant to this subthread.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 04:48 AM   #116 
     - Wrong idea--and the amendment's poor wording reflects the islamaphobia  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 04:58 AM   #118 
  - OMG!  cyr330   Nov-29-10 06:38 PM   #24 
  - If we consider Shariah Law, it would also seem logical that we would have ...  spin   Nov-29-10 06:50 PM   #25 
  - If Sharia law is allowed, yes... we ought to allow any religious law people like!  ProgressiveMajority   Nov-29-10 08:48 PM   #38 
     - Read these sections of Oklahoma's marriage statutes:  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 10:11 PM   #43 
     - Interesting, yes. But it doesn't contradict barring Sharia law in judges Decisions  ProgressiveMajority   Nov-29-10 11:31 PM   #48 
     - "such" incorporates the previous qualifiers  jberryhill   Nov-29-10 11:54 PM   #52 
        - Really? So in Oklahoma there have never been Muslim marriages? n/t  ProgressiveMajority   Nov-30-10 11:35 AM   #64 
           - Well, it's a valid reading of the statute  jberryhill   Nov-30-10 12:25 PM   #66 
           - Do Muslim clerics qualify under "the Gospel" clause?  ieoeja   Nov-30-10 04:13 PM   #76 
              - Link?  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 05:56 AM   #124 
           - Not necessarily. You could have an Islamic clergy member marry you, BUT  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 05:23 AM   #121 
     - So,a wiccan or Budhist ceremony is out of the question? I guess Oklahoma  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 05:17 AM   #120 
     - Sure. Let;s not allow jurors to shoot judges, either. Let's pass a law  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 05:09 AM   #119 
  - Sharia law has already been used (but then overturned) in a U.S court  Bragi   Nov-30-10 08:21 AM   #58 
  - It's such a minor case, and was overturned...  ProgressiveMajority   Nov-30-10 06:49 PM   #78 
  - I think we need to acknowledge the facts in any debate  Bragi   Dec-01-10 10:18 AM   #82 
  - If we don't point out some positive aspect of Sharia, than why not have a constitutional ban on it?  ProgressiveMajority   Dec-01-10 01:27 PM   #84 
     - Not sure we disagree  Bragi   Dec-01-10 01:40 PM   #85 
        - Yeah, I think we do agree! That's a rare thing for me online... :)  ProgressiveMajority   Dec-01-10 04:55 PM   #86 
  - It was never used. Please see Reply 122 and 112.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 05:49 AM   #123 
  - Sharia law was NOT used. And NJ Superior Court overturned it in July of this year.  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 05:40 AM   #122 
  - P.S. As far as sources:  No Elephants   Dec-02-10 07:08 AM   #125 
  - No surprise.  aranthus   Nov-30-10 12:01 PM   #65 
  - Oklahoma gvrnmt sure has time and $$ to burn huh?  lunasun   Dec-01-10 10:47 PM   #92 
  - Who in any case...  LeftishBrit   Dec-02-10 02:43 PM   #130 
 

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