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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-10 11:12 AM
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5. Full body scanning is ridiculous overkill
I expect them to find more drugs than weapons. This is a massive invasion of privacy and I hope more people opt out to be patted down while flying.
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  -Pilot Refuses Full Body Scan, Says He's Fighting for Rights sabra  Oct-22-10 10:52 AM   #0 
  - Did they check for the Axe that's in his cockpit?  zipplewrath   Oct-22-10 10:58 AM   #1 
  - That is one hell of a good point  Boudica the Lyoness   Oct-22-10 11:22 AM   #8 
  - Axe Shmaxe, they want to find box cutters!  Javaman   Oct-22-10 01:27 PM   #43 
  - and shampoo  FiveGoodMen   Oct-22-10 04:29 PM   #72 
     - Yes! we must not forget the shampoo of death.  Javaman   Oct-23-10 08:28 AM   #105 
  - Make sure they don't have  madokie   Oct-22-10 02:08 PM   #55 
  - Excellent point  dflprincess   Oct-22-10 09:41 PM   #84 
  - He doesn't need an axe  Hawkowl   Oct-24-10 01:14 AM   #152 
  - Good for him!  Jim__   Oct-22-10 10:59 AM   #2 
  - My Thoughts........  rsmith6621   Oct-22-10 11:00 AM   #3 
  - Better yet, don't fly. Take a train if possible or drive. nt  pokercat999   Oct-23-10 10:49 AM   #127 
  - Michael Roberts;  greiner3   Oct-22-10 11:06 AM   #4 
  - Full body scanning is ridiculous overkill  felix_numinous   Oct-22-10 11:12 AM   #5 
  - if he doesn't like the rules  davidinalameda   Oct-22-10 11:13 AM   #6 
  - I assume you see  L.Torsalo   Oct-22-10 11:27 AM   #9 
  - Just a minute.  avaistheone1   Oct-22-10 11:31 AM   #12 
  - actually it is a good thing to do  davidinalameda   Oct-22-10 01:47 PM   #50 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-10 02:39 PM   #57 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-10 03:10 PM   #59 
     - ah, yes, increased security would be great.  uncle ray   Oct-22-10 03:20 PM   #64 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-10 03:58 PM   #68 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-22-10 05:35 PM   #77 
     - such a considered opinion. catching all the subtleties of the issue. nt  tomp   Oct-22-10 09:42 PM   #85 
     - Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.  ixion   Oct-23-10 05:46 AM   #97 
     - It works!  Dr.Phool   Oct-23-10 08:36 AM   #107 
     - I'm sorry but you're wrong.  GoneOffShore   Oct-23-10 10:38 AM   #125 
  - Sacrificing a little liberty for a little security, gets you neither.  Javaman   Oct-22-10 01:29 PM   #45 
  - It's Not Even That  RobinA   Oct-22-10 03:09 PM   #58 
  - And there you have the answer.  GoneOffShore   Oct-23-10 11:28 AM   #129 
  - he doesn't have the right to pick and chose which rules he follows  davidinalameda   Oct-22-10 09:34 PM   #83 
     - Like I said, reread the 4th amendment. nt  Javaman   Oct-23-10 08:26 AM   #104 
     - the point that people are missing  davidinalameda   Oct-23-10 01:23 PM   #140 
        - I guess you don't have your own copy of the 4th Amendment, here you go...  Javaman   Oct-23-10 09:14 PM   #147 
     - Ashcroft? Is that you?  20score   Oct-23-10 10:13 AM   #118 
     - +1,000  suede1   Oct-23-10 04:30 PM   #143 
     - Duplicate. Oops.  suede1   Oct-23-10 04:30 PM   #144 
     - "sounds more like a spoiled child than some sort of civil rights protester"  RetroLounge   Oct-23-10 10:29 AM   #120 
     - personal attacks are so unattractive  davidinalameda   Oct-23-10 01:11 PM   #139 
        - There's that mirror again.  RetroLounge   Oct-23-10 09:11 PM   #146 
     - The 4th AMENDMENT SAYS he shouldn't have to follow that rule  ProudDad   Oct-24-10 01:27 PM   #153 
  - "I like being a doe-eyed go-along. If you don't have anything to hide nothing hwy worrry about it?"  TheWatcher   Oct-22-10 01:35 PM   #47 
  - wow...  krabigirl   Oct-22-10 07:32 PM   #81 
  - No kidding.  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-23-10 09:42 AM   #114 
  - Have round heels much?  texastoast   Oct-22-10 09:46 PM   #87 
  - Or try to get the silly rules changed.  Prometheus Bound   Oct-23-10 08:31 AM   #106 
  - The "rules" are idiotic  skepticscott   Oct-23-10 10:40 AM   #126 
  - Bingo!  FormerOstrich   Oct-24-10 11:24 PM   #161 
  - Or take a measured stand for freedom and liberty.  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 12:52 PM   #131 
  - Many waiting in line to take his job. He knew the rules when  laureloak   Oct-22-10 11:14 AM   #7 
  - Innocent people have plenty to hide.  L.Torsalo   Oct-22-10 11:28 AM   #10 
  - the answer to your question is undoubtedly...  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 11:31 AM   #13 
  - Tragically true!  clixtox   Oct-23-10 03:10 AM   #94 
     - And it's being indoctrinated in them early that they must comply  BuelahWitch   Oct-23-10 06:05 AM   #98 
  - So we should all have the privacy to carry guns? After all if it is illegal to look  stray cat   Oct-22-10 11:37 AM   #16 
     - straw man arguments are disruptive...  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 12:11 PM   #34 
     - Why not?  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 12:56 PM   #132 
  - I see we have a couple of RW talking point spewers on this thread...  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 11:30 AM   #11 
  - Do I have a civil right to carry guns and explosives onto a plane if I don't intend to use them?  stray cat   Oct-22-10 11:39 AM   #17 
  - Full body scanners are not effective, and are an invasion of privacy rights.  avaistheone1   Oct-22-10 11:46 AM   #24 
  - you have a civil right to use your fucking brain..  frylock   Oct-22-10 11:50 AM   #27 
  - +1... The idiocy being displayed by a couple on this thread is just staggering.  Iowa   Oct-22-10 03:12 PM   #61 
  - I'm Going To Have To...  Winston Wolf   Oct-23-10 02:24 AM   #91 
  - Metal detectors in place for years... as well as as x-ray & inspection.  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 12:09 PM   #33 
  - Why are those methods not an invasion of privacy?  Ginto   Oct-22-10 01:34 PM   #46 
     - Your baggage is the one x-rayed.  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 03:55 PM   #67 
        - How do you think metal detectors work? What about the wands they pass close to your body? nt  Ginto   Oct-22-10 04:04 PM   #69 
        - Low-frequency electormagnetic fields  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 04:19 PM   #70 
           - Some call it electromagnetic radiation. nt  Ginto   Oct-22-10 04:20 PM   #71 
              - X-rays are ionizing radiation... quite different  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 04:30 PM   #73 
                 - I still don't want any unnecessary amount near my body.  Ginto   Oct-22-10 04:50 PM   #74 
                    - If you are worried about EMF radiation, better toss the cell phone,  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 04:53 PM   #75 
                    - Also, better not fly altogether.  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 01:00 PM   #134 
                    - And turn off the alternating current in your house  ProudDad   Oct-24-10 01:32 PM   #154 
        - What amused me (in a dark kind of way) was a report I heard on the body scanners  dflprincess   Oct-22-10 09:45 PM   #86 
  - A bigger straw man is still a straw man.  Ikonoklast   Oct-23-10 09:38 AM   #113 
  - Why not?  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 12:58 PM   #133 
  - this one here embraces every right-wing authoritarian talking point out there..  frylock   Oct-22-10 11:50 AM   #25 
  - +10000000  avaistheone1   Oct-22-10 12:02 PM   #31 
  - +1  readmoreoften   Oct-23-10 04:27 AM   #95 
  - Now THAT I object to. We have got to be able to withstand  pokercat999   Oct-23-10 11:00 AM   #128 
  - I thought the RW opposed these x-ray search laws  Ter   Oct-22-10 02:03 PM   #54 
     - Libertarians do... The Freeper types are gungho on the "SCARY"  hlthe2b   Oct-22-10 03:53 PM   #66 
  - What are YOU trying to hide?  KansDem   Oct-22-10 11:50 AM   #26 
  - Yes I have a problem. He can follow the rules or find another  laureloak   Oct-22-10 12:23 PM   #36 
     - Yeah?  KansDem   Oct-22-10 12:35 PM   #38 
     - Rules change. And the employer makes the rules.  laureloak   Oct-22-10 01:36 PM   #49 
        - All about "rules" and not about "rights."  KansDem   Oct-22-10 01:52 PM   #51 
        - Baaaaa Baaaaaa  Dr.Phool   Oct-23-10 08:43 AM   #108 
        - Everyone line up here. You will be transported to a relocation camp.  Downwinder   Oct-23-10 08:48 AM   #110 
        - and you're a fucking sheep  RetroLounge   Oct-23-10 10:33 AM   #122 
        - it's not the employer that's "making the rules" in this case.  GoneOffShore   Oct-23-10 11:33 AM   #130 
        - Actually, isn't it the government changing the rules?  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 01:02 PM   #135 
     - How did this anti-labor, anti-civil-liberties, authoritarian-loving poster reach 1000 posts?  Iowa   Oct-22-10 03:19 PM   #63 
     - You can go to the Lounge and build post count pretty quickly  BuelahWitch   Oct-23-10 06:10 AM   #99 
     - And we wonder how easy it is for fascists to take over a Democracy.  Dr.Phool   Oct-23-10 08:44 AM   #109 
     - Another weak, soft, jellyfish fellates the Police State and tells us how it's so good and we should  TheWatcher   Oct-22-10 06:27 PM   #78 
     - Let's hear a rousing chorus of "God Save The Queen"!!!  Dr.Phool   Oct-23-10 10:13 AM   #117 
     - Good question: "When did we become such a cowardly nation"  Bragi   Oct-25-10 10:30 AM   #164 
     - Ugh  snort   Oct-23-10 09:14 AM   #111 
     - Spoken like a true tool of the capitalist mentality  ProudDad   Oct-24-10 01:34 PM   #155 
  - How do you know he knew the rules?  Ter   Oct-22-10 02:02 PM   #53 
  - He Doesn't Need  RobinA   Oct-22-10 03:11 PM   #60 
  - Snacking on lead paint chips again? He's the pilot, for crying out loud.  Frank Cannon   Oct-23-10 06:13 AM   #100 
  - We don't feed trolls here  JackInGreen   Oct-23-10 09:55 AM   #116 
  - Why aren't more people objecting?  Gormy Cuss   Oct-22-10 11:31 AM   #14 
  - because 911 exposed a whole lot of cowardice within our society  frylock   Oct-22-10 11:52 AM   #28 
  - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Oct-23-10 09:50 AM   #115 
  - We've become a nation of cowardly jelly fish interested only in false comfort and safety.  TheWatcher   Oct-22-10 06:32 PM   #79 
  - Why do they even bother searching pilots?  SkyDaddy7   Oct-22-10 11:37 AM   #15 
  - Are gun detectors at abortion clinics or schools or court houses unconstitutional  stray cat   Oct-22-10 11:40 AM   #18 
  - pilots can carry guns...and on commercial planes  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-22-10 11:42 AM   #21 
  - Full body scanners aren't there, are they?  avaistheone1   Oct-22-10 11:44 AM   #23 
  - can gun detectors take pictures of your junk?  frylock   Oct-22-10 11:53 AM   #29 
  - The pictures are not the issue. The effects of radiation on your body is. nt  Ginto   Oct-22-10 01:35 PM   #48 
  - He is NOT refusing to be screened--metal detectors would  tblue37   Oct-22-10 01:04 PM   #41 
  - We're not talking about metal detectors.  Heywood J   Oct-22-10 07:42 PM   #82 
  - No  ProudDad   Oct-24-10 01:38 PM   #156 
  - Glad he stood up for his rights and ours  harvey007   Oct-22-10 11:41 AM   #19 
  - i make them pat me down every time i am presented with a scanner  ProdigalJunkMail   Oct-22-10 11:41 AM   #20 
  - I think I am going to use foil and glue stuck to spell out  The Green Manalishi   Oct-22-10 12:00 PM   #30 
  - You just gave me an idea!  KansDem   Oct-22-10 12:09 PM   #32 
  - K&R  laconicsax   Oct-22-10 11:43 AM   #22 
  - If, when I took my USNR commission  Turbineguy   Oct-22-10 12:19 PM   #35 
  - ""It's not dispensable for the sake of security, just to make us feel better or that something's  hedgehog   Oct-22-10 12:26 PM   #37 
  - There is no evidence that subjecting many passengers to full body scans is any more effective than  Gormy Cuss   Oct-22-10 01:53 PM   #52 
  - Snap  avaistheone1   Oct-22-10 02:20 PM   #56 
  - The reason we have body scanners  thesquanderer   Oct-23-10 09:16 AM   #112 
     - Absolutely right. n/t  Gormy Cuss   Oct-23-10 05:43 PM   #145 
  - You Can't  RobinA   Oct-22-10 03:24 PM   #65 
  - All luggage screened for bombs.  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 01:07 PM   #136 
     - Well, if they're naked, are they just gonna sit there holding the weapon and magazines?  boppers   Oct-23-10 09:43 PM   #148 
     - I though belt & holster would be self-evident. Mea Culpa. n/t  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 11:02 PM   #149 
        - Well, you were kind of pushing the boundaries.  boppers   Oct-23-10 11:15 PM   #150 
           - I stand by my statements. 8>) n/t  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 11:20 PM   #151 
     - If you're serious  ProudDad   Oct-24-10 01:41 PM   #157 
        - Why? Evidence, please....  PavePusher   Oct-24-10 03:09 PM   #160 
  - K&R!!!!!  im1013   Oct-22-10 01:01 PM   #39 
  - Full Body scanners would NOT have prevented 9/11.  SoapBox   Oct-22-10 01:02 PM   #40 
  - It's the Kettles and Gomers who call for security theatre.  GoneOffShore   Oct-23-10 01:33 PM   #141 
  - In a way I don't blame him  Haole Girl   Oct-22-10 01:14 PM   #42 
  - It's the number one reason this girl is not going anywhere on a plane. eom  bluesmail   Oct-22-10 01:28 PM   #44 
  - No more flying for me. This is madness. nt  eilen   Oct-22-10 05:18 PM   #76 
  - Good for him  derby378   Oct-22-10 03:16 PM   #62 
  - I can't fly anymore.If the goverment got an eyeful of my kielbasa they'd be stalking me everywhere.  Yeahyeah   Oct-22-10 06:33 PM   #80 
  - Insert Ben Franklin's "Security/Liberty" quote here--->  AzDar   Oct-22-10 09:47 PM   #88 
  - "except upon probable cause, supported by oath ..."  Canuckistanian   Oct-22-10 10:01 PM   #89 
  - Read the 4th and supporting opinions again...  ProudDad   Oct-24-10 01:44 PM   #158 
  - He didn't think he'd be subjected to security measures as a pilot?  lynne   Oct-23-10 01:04 AM   #90 
  - Definitely...  Winston Wolf   Oct-23-10 02:46 AM   #93 
  - What are you going to do when they start checking for tiny brains?  Dr.Phool   Oct-23-10 10:36 AM   #123 
  - He's the fucking PILOT!  RetroLounge   Oct-23-10 10:37 AM   #124 
  - Miss the point much?  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 01:09 PM   #137 
  - A Pilot For Four Years...  Winston Wolf   Oct-23-10 02:40 AM   #92 
  - Accolades for Mr. Roberts  ixion   Oct-23-10 05:42 AM   #96 
  - He might want to become a bus driver, then. If he wants to fly, he has to  activa8tr   Oct-23-10 06:16 AM   #101 
  - He is trying to get the rules changed.  PavePusher   Oct-23-10 01:11 PM   #138 
  - The rules are insane  high density   Oct-24-10 02:08 PM   #159 
  - You display real courage  Bragi   Oct-25-10 10:22 AM   #163 
  - "Sorry folks. There will be a slight delay in departure.  Downwinder   Oct-23-10 06:43 AM   #102 
  - All well and good isn't it?  Life Long Dem   Oct-23-10 08:17 AM   #103 
  - The majority of Americans want strangers inspecting their genitalia before being allowed to travel..  scentopine   Oct-23-10 10:26 AM   #119 
  - Thank you, Mr. Roberts  JDPriestly   Oct-23-10 10:31 AM   #121 
  - Be Afraid, Be very afraid  makemyday   Oct-23-10 04:22 PM   #142 
  - Pretending to be happy at pat-down time irritates me  Bragi   Oct-25-10 09:17 AM   #162 
 

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