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85. Please do not knee jerk the BSA
While I abhor everything the BSA stands for in the instance of sexual orientation and religion, don't paint with such a broad brush until you've been there. I spent a very good number of years as a very active participant in the BSA. I am an Eagle Scout. I NEVER was pushed into any religious activity, ever in my 10 years of ACTIVE scout experience, it wasn't even mentioned.

What I did have pushed on me though were morals, outdoor skills, fellowship, science, marksmanship, survival and community service. These things helped me sail through my coming of age, my military career and made me a much better person, on the whole.

The experiences I had in scouting I would not trade for the world, and absent the dogma, I would wish on every young man in the world.

What one needs to see and understand is that the headlines, don't really mean shit on the frontlines. I never was exposed to the amount of BS I see daily on the news when I was a member. The guys in the units, they generally don't give a shit about this stuff. They are all about bringing young men together to learn life's lessons and celebrate fellowship. This stuff comes from the top generally.

And please do not make comments about Baden Powell and his intent with the Scouting movement unless you are intimately aware of it. To say the Scouting movement is an arm of the military may be feasible but, in modern times it is just ignorant bullshit.
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  -Mormon Parents Rejected For Scout Leadership Post BolivarianHero  Oct-22-10 09:53 AM   #0 
  - Let the Mormons suffer a bit.  YOY   Oct-22-10 09:55 AM   #1 
  - As you sow, so shall you reap.  ET Awful   Oct-22-10 10:05 AM   #3 
  - They run the scouting program in many places  DBoon   Oct-22-10 10:10 AM   #4 
  - growing up i mormon country  oldhippydude   Oct-22-10 10:33 AM   #12 
  - LDS have adopted Boy Scouts for their youth programming  HereSince1628   Oct-22-10 10:41 AM   #20 
     - their version  donquijoterocket   Oct-22-10 11:10 AM   #36 
     - Once upon a time a lot of the professional scouts were mormon  HereSince1628   Oct-22-10 11:27 AM   #44 
     - Lots of churches sponsor scout troops. I was in a troop sponsored  JDPriestly   Oct-22-10 01:05 PM   #70 
     - Yes, I didn't mean to say that they are unique  HereSince1628   Oct-22-10 04:56 PM   #80 
     - Many religious groups sponsor troops and issue awards to scouts:  hedgehog   Oct-26-10 10:36 AM   #119 
  - you don't support the first amendment  CreekDog   Oct-22-10 10:31 AM   #11 
  - What does this have to do with the first amendment?  plantwomyn   Oct-22-10 10:47 AM   #25 
  - fine  CreekDog   Oct-22-10 10:48 AM   #26 
  - Yes but...  BolivarianHero   Oct-22-10 06:16 PM   #81 
  - Naw...I just like it when haters get hated on.  YOY   Oct-22-10 10:50 AM   #28 
     - i didn't know being Mormon meant you were a hater  CreekDog   Oct-22-10 11:05 AM   #33 
        - When 80% of the religion votes the one way the church tells them that religion has a problem.  YOY   Oct-22-10 11:18 AM   #39 
        - completely wrong  CreekDog   Oct-22-10 12:14 PM   #59 
           - Got me.  YOY   Oct-22-10 12:19 PM   #64 
           - We assume.  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 12:33 PM   #90 
        - Yes, but the church itself, funded Prop 8.  asdjrocky   Oct-22-10 11:41 AM   #47 
        - Perhaps we should persecute Catholics on the basis of what some priests did  CreekDog   Oct-22-10 12:13 PM   #58 
           - I just hate it when people use examples like that for bad organizations.  asdjrocky   Oct-22-10 12:17 PM   #62 
              - well then good luck arguing for fair treatment for Muslims  CreekDog   Oct-22-10 12:19 PM   #63 
                 - That's where you just went off track.  asdjrocky   Oct-22-10 12:29 PM   #67 
                    - I'm sorry I wasted the irony on you  CreekDog   Oct-22-10 12:52 PM   #69 
        - What does Steve Young's wife have to do with the Stokes?  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 12:13 PM   #89 
  - So all suffering is not bad. Mormon suffering is just fine with you.  herbm   Oct-22-10 10:39 AM   #18 
  - Like ambrosia to my ears actually!  YOY   Oct-22-10 10:47 AM   #24 
     - Just like the big pig said, "we're all free, just that some of us are free-er than others." The Bill  herbm   Oct-22-10 11:50 AM   #50 
        - Then perhaps they best read it a little closer.  YOY   Oct-22-10 11:52 AM   #51 
        - We all carry personal values in our life to our positions. Thank G*d for the Bill of Rights - Congre  herbm   Oct-22-10 11:59 AM   #53 
           - Religion has dick to do with values/morality. The greatest lie of religion is that we need it..  YOY   Oct-22-10 12:05 PM   #55 
           - We don't need religion - I can agree with that about 90% but we do need G*d. Maybe you don't and tha  herbm   Oct-22-10 12:12 PM   #57 
           - I'm afraid we don't need Gad, Gid, Gyd, God, Gud, or Ged either.  YOY   Oct-22-10 12:22 PM   #65 
              - That's your take and so be it. But don't presume to speak for everybody else.  herbm   Oct-22-10 12:34 PM   #68 
                 - Just anyone who's not a sucker.  YOY   Oct-22-10 04:26 PM   #75 
                 - Snark and personal attack, no substance. You seem to have a whole lot more interest in what I should  herbm   Oct-22-10 08:10 PM   #82 
                 - You presumed to speak for everyone else when you posted we do not need religion, but do need God.  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 12:55 PM   #93 
                    - That's no presumption. Beside, I speak for me. You don't to anything about anything I say.  herbm   Oct-24-10 09:25 AM   #109 
           - The one thing I do not get about atheists in general is that in their asserting their correctness  herbm   Oct-24-10 09:51 AM   #110 
           - No, I never insist my personal religious values become the law of my state or nation.  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 12:50 PM   #92 
        - What did government have to do wth iPresbyterians rejecting Mormons?  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 12:40 PM   #91 
  - Injustice is okay when it happens to people we don't like? Awesome! (nt)  Posteritatis   Oct-22-10 11:57 AM   #52 
  - Sure is!  YOY   Oct-22-10 12:02 PM   #54 
  - You mean when bigots get a relatively insignificant taste of bigotry?  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 01:10 PM   #95 
  - No. Very wrong attitude.  Matariki   Oct-23-10 01:17 PM   #97 
  - there's no reason  Bill McBlueState   Oct-26-10 08:51 AM   #117 
  - I've got no particular sympathy for Mormons who are on the receiving end of  mudplanet   Oct-22-10 10:04 AM   #2 
  - I've got issues with BSA but this definitely isn't something the national org would approve of  Recursion   Oct-22-10 10:10 AM   #5 
  - Oh no, the national org will be slapping these guys down quickly and violently.  Xithras   Oct-22-10 08:51 PM   #83 
  - The hilarious part is that BSA is pretty much run by the Mormons  realisticphish   Oct-22-10 10:11 AM   #6 
  - Shrug.  closeupready   Oct-22-10 10:17 AM   #7 
  - Sweet justice served to the creators of Prop 8. Not one tear will fall from me.  Happyhippychick   Oct-22-10 10:19 AM   #8 
  - Boo hoo  _ed_   Oct-22-10 10:21 AM   #9 
  - Banning Atheists IS religious discrimination  CanonRay   Oct-22-10 10:27 AM   #10 
  - Boy Scouts get $upport from government?  HereSince1628   Oct-22-10 10:34 AM   #14 
  - I'm pretty sure they don't, actually  realisticphish   Oct-22-10 10:40 AM   #19 
  - actually  oldhippydude   Oct-22-10 11:20 AM   #40 
  - I agree strongly with you, but go further - all discrimination over race, religion, ethnic, gender,  herbm   Oct-22-10 10:42 AM   #21 
     - So girl scouts should allow boys? (nt)  The Straight Story   Oct-22-10 11:20 AM   #41 
     - Too late, they do. I had to join the Girls Scouts to take my Scout daughters' troop on  herbm   Oct-22-10 11:36 AM   #46 
        - Yes, there are female Scouters.  Xithras   Oct-22-10 08:55 PM   #84 
           - Young women can join Explorer Scouts.  herbm   Oct-23-10 10:08 AM   #86 
     - Are you okay with discrimination based on sexual orientation?  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 01:21 PM   #98 
  - I had a cub scout come to my door last week to sell their over priced popcorn, when I refused the  madmom   Oct-22-10 10:34 AM   #13 
  - As a christian I think you acted out of conscience. Good for you.  herbm   Oct-22-10 10:44 AM   #22 
  - I am a Wood Badge Trained Adult Leader Eagle Scout and I won't buy the popcorn.  Gore1FL   Oct-23-10 02:55 PM   #101 
  - I know I'm going to take heat for this but I AGREE: Scouts have a long tradition of...  Poll_Blind   Oct-22-10 10:37 AM   #15 
  - That's pretty ironic. The LDS are stong supporters of BSA.  herbm   Oct-22-10 10:38 AM   #16 
  - Thanks for calling me a fucking moron  demwing   Oct-22-10 10:38 AM   #17 
  - Who in the world called you that?  herbm   Oct-22-10 10:45 AM   #23 
     - The last line in the OP  demwing   Oct-22-10 10:49 AM   #27 
        - Well I happen to agree with your post. Civility is running a little thin here lately.  herbm   Oct-22-10 11:42 AM   #48 
  - How much 'government money' does the Boy Scouts of America receive?  Freddie Stubbs   Oct-22-10 10:51 AM   #29 
  - Directly none accourding to what I can tell, but they do use public blds -schools and civic bldgs  herbm   Oct-22-10 11:47 AM   #49 
  - Here we go!  MsPithy   Oct-22-10 10:57 AM   #30 
  - As a christian I think you got it about right. More Romans got fed to lions by Christians than the .  herbm   Oct-22-10 12:15 PM   #61 
  - Sorry, I just don't see this one Presbyterian church starting to kill Mormons.  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 01:40 PM   #99 
  - Back in the 1940s when my dad was a very active Boy Scout in rural Nevada,  kestrel91316   Oct-22-10 10:57 AM   #31 
  - At some point in the 80's, the religious wackos took over the BSA  Taverner   Oct-22-10 10:59 AM   #32 
  - That Church is violating the BSA's own rules. Scouts cannot discriminate against any religion  FSogol   Oct-22-10 11:05 AM   #34 
  - This is action by this Presbyterian Church, NOT the BSA.  wizstars   Oct-22-10 11:06 AM   #35 
  - This.  YDogg   Oct-22-10 12:26 PM   #66 
  - Yes, but the BSA has no business being an offshoot of any church  Dappleganger   Oct-22-10 04:49 PM   #79 
  - Exactly. I am also a Woodbadge trained Scouter ......  oldhippie   Oct-26-10 10:26 AM   #118 
  - tables, turned  tomm2thumbs   Oct-22-10 11:13 AM   #37 
  - We are letting my son be a cub scout  d_r   Oct-22-10 11:15 AM   #38 
  - Atheists cannot join the fucking Scouts either.  greiner3   Oct-22-10 11:21 AM   #42 
  - LDS uses the Scouts as their youth program  pdx_prog   Oct-22-10 11:21 AM   #43 
  - I'm an atheist and I think this is unfair.  caseymoz   Oct-22-10 11:30 AM   #45 
  - It broke my heart to tell my son he couldn't join BSA.  Hyper_Eye   Oct-22-10 12:09 PM   #56 
  - sometimes  d_r   Oct-22-10 04:01 PM   #73 
  - Its interesting how you are raising your children, and why.  IdaBriggs   Oct-22-10 04:21 PM   #74 
  - I think you're a wonderful parent. We need more like you.  Zhade   Oct-23-10 11:37 PM   #106 
  - Campfire Kids! There's one in your state, too!  NuttyFluffers   Oct-24-10 04:08 AM   #108 
  - That's wrong.  proteus_lives   Oct-22-10 12:14 PM   #60 
  - sucks to be them  davidinalameda   Oct-22-10 01:41 PM   #71 
  - I wont allow my son to join scouts. No way in hell.  krabigirl   Oct-22-10 03:40 PM   #72 
  - We didn't allow ours, either...  Dappleganger   Oct-22-10 04:41 PM   #77 
  - Watch Glen BecKKK turn this around and blame it on Muslims somehow.  Dappleganger   Oct-22-10 04:40 PM   #76 
  - If I got the right church, it's in Matthews NC  Dappleganger   Oct-22-10 04:47 PM   #78 
  - Please do not knee jerk the BSA  Xmit   Oct-22-10 09:55 PM   #85 
     - Jesus  Dappleganger   Oct-23-10 10:26 AM   #87 
     - Who's not calm?  Xmit   Oct-25-10 06:07 PM   #115 
     - Would you join a golf club that wouldn't admit blacks or jews?  PassingFair   Oct-23-10 11:39 AM   #88 
     - They purport to know what God believes? Hubris.  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 02:03 PM   #100 
     - Would you live in a Country that doesn't have equal rights for GLBT?  Gore1FL   Oct-23-10 03:04 PM   #102 
        - Tell that to Darrell Lambert.  PassingFair   Oct-23-10 04:43 PM   #103 
           - Find another troop when that happens  Gore1FL   Oct-23-10 07:42 PM   #104 
              - Or stick with Campfire Kids....  PassingFair   Oct-23-10 08:19 PM   #105 
                 - Well, in practice neither do many units affliated with BSA.  Gore1FL   Oct-24-10 12:48 AM   #107 
                    - Oh well, then... atheist parents and parents of gay youth should...  PassingFair   Oct-24-10 12:20 PM   #113 
     - Do we all have to join the KLAN to understand they are bigots?  CBGLuthier   Oct-26-10 07:44 AM   #116 
  - Bigotry in stereo  Politicub   Oct-23-10 01:05 PM   #94 
  - As I read the OP, it was one particular Presbyterian church, not the Boy Scout organization per se.  No Elephants   Oct-23-10 01:15 PM   #96 
  - Jesus! The all American Clean Cut Boy Scouts is politicized too?!  lunatica   Oct-24-10 10:07 AM   #111 
  - ....aaand cue Glen Beck  underpants   Oct-24-10 10:21 AM   #112 
  - It's interesting  JerseygirlCT   Oct-24-10 12:37 PM   #114 
  - The Boy Scouts should be ordered to end discrimination  MX96391   Oct-26-10 02:29 PM   #120 

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