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83. I'm with you. n/t
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  - Koran burner Derek Fenton booted from his job at NJ Transit kpete  Sep-15-10 09:36 AM   #0 
  - I have the feeling this will be a court case...  WillParkinson   Sep-15-10 09:40 AM   #1 
  - my guess is that it won't even get that far.  tk2kewl   Sep-15-10 09:42 AM   #2 
  - ACLU has chimed in, but I see no sign of support from the NJ Transit workers' union  slackmaster   Sep-15-10 09:42 AM   #3 
  - It is somewhat irrelevant.  djg21   Sep-16-10 08:32 AM   #131 
  - DId he do it at work? Was he wearing his uniform when doing it?  Love Bug   Sep-15-10 09:43 AM   #4 
  - I agree.  E-Z-B   Sep-15-10 11:36 AM   #30 
  - I'm with you. n/t  SusanaMontana41   Sep-15-10 06:01 PM   #83 
  - Generally speaking, from the legal analysis I have read  mjane   Sep-15-10 06:20 PM   #85 
  - That's a bit facile---  msanthrope   Sep-16-10 10:51 AM   #142 
  - You are right on! /  golfguru   Sep-15-10 11:08 PM   #109 
  - Yep.  proteus_lives   Sep-15-10 11:21 PM   #112 
  - I oppose Koran-burning, but firing him was wrong.  closeupready   Sep-15-10 09:44 AM   #5 
  - Maybe they were concerned about security impacts and the coming fatwa  Bragi   Sep-15-10 09:54 AM   #6 
  - He'll have to have an office job or janitorial or such. If he was a train  kestrel91316   Sep-15-10 10:02 AM   #7 
     - He may need 24/7 security indefinitely  Bragi   Sep-15-10 11:01 AM   #16 
     - he made himself personally a target.  mcollins   Sep-15-10 02:30 PM   #66 
        - Well stated  customerserviceguy   Sep-15-10 08:41 PM   #98 
  - Good. This Tea Party asshole will now get the gov't. handouts he despises so much (UI, food stamps)  ClarkUSA   Sep-15-10 10:03 AM   #8 
  - In the meantime he will file a frivilous lawsuit with some activist judge.n/t  denverbill   Sep-15-10 10:21 AM   #9 
  - Looks like the ACLU is angling for the job, which is why I am not a member anymore. nt  ClarkUSA   Sep-15-10 10:53 AM   #14 
     - I am, and quite supportive of them protecting the right to free speech /nt  Bragi   Sep-15-10 11:02 AM   #17 
        - Yelling "fire" in a theatre, burning a Koran when troops are in the harm's way; it's the same to me  ClarkUSA   Sep-15-10 11:22 AM   #22 
        - The "danger to troops" thing is nonsense  Bragi   Sep-15-10 02:47 PM   #68 
        - So given all that power, why haven't we beaten two countries who don't have a ship  mbperrin   Sep-15-10 04:20 PM   #75 
        - Yes, the war is being lost  Bragi   Sep-15-10 08:40 PM   #97 
        - So we beat Germany and Japan because we had a real government  mbperrin   Sep-15-10 10:03 PM   #106 
        - Obviously you don't understand difference betw Guerrilla war &  golfguru   Sep-15-10 11:12 PM   #110 
           - Oh, so Hitler was too stupid to fight the superior guerrilla war, then.  mbperrin   Sep-15-10 11:47 PM   #115 
              - Thank you for a good laugh /  golfguru   Sep-16-10 12:21 AM   #116 
              - Oh, no, thank YOU.  mbperrin   Sep-16-10 06:57 AM   #122 
              - You are thinking war against a 'state'  mcollins   Sep-16-10 11:30 AM   #146 
              - For openers, Yes, Hitler was stupid  golfguru   Sep-16-10 09:57 PM   #151 
                 - Yes, and those ragtags always win, including our own Revolution  mbperrin   Sep-17-10 08:09 AM   #153 
                    - You are so naive...you think Hitler could have been defeated by Guerrilla's?  golfguru   Sep-17-10 12:36 PM   # 
                    - You are so naive...you think Hitler could have been defeated by Guerrilla's?  golfguru   Sep-17-10 12:36 PM   #154 
                       - You know nothing of the resistance movements in various  mbperrin   Sep-17-10 03:37 PM   #155 
                          - Nothing persona and I like you because  golfguru   Sep-17-10 03:55 PM   #156 
                          - Nothing personal and I like you because  golfguru   Sep-17-10 03:55 PM   #157 
        - Pres. Obama, Sec. of Defense Gates and General Petraeus all disagree with you.  ClarkUSA   Sep-15-10 05:42 PM   #80 
        - It was all about communications  Bragi   Sep-15-10 08:35 PM   #96 
        - Bragi...your post wins the award of ...  golfguru   Sep-16-10 09:59 PM   #152 
        - I disagree completely  Bragi   Sep-15-10 03:03 PM   #69 
        - Actually no  mjane   Sep-15-10 06:21 PM   #86 
        - Free speech is not so easily disposed of /nt  Bragi   Sep-15-10 08:43 PM   #99 
        - Ahhhhh so you believe in "selective" free speech only /  golfguru   Sep-15-10 11:14 PM   #111 
        - Ditto  BBG   Sep-15-10 09:41 PM   #105 
  - So free speech is only for those who think and look like you?  24601   Sep-15-10 06:12 PM   #84 
  - 53% in the accompanying poll agree with his firing.  Historic NY   Sep-15-10 10:24 AM   #10 
  - Our constitutional rights are not subjects to the whims of the polls n/t  kirby   Sep-15-10 12:07 PM   #42 
  - A wise college poli. sci. prof. of mine...  Chan790   Sep-15-10 09:07 PM   #102 
  - who wants an arsonist working for their organization?  frylock   Sep-15-10 10:31 AM   #11 
  - Not Sure if Serious  mudderfudder77   Sep-15-10 10:44 AM   #12 
  - Protected by whom?  Dogtown   Sep-15-10 10:55 AM   #15 
  - As per the article, he violated the company's code of ethics...  LanternWaste   Sep-15-10 11:14 AM   #19 
  - And if your contract stipulated that voting democratic reflected badly upon the company? -NT-  jayfish   Sep-15-10 11:26 AM   #24 
  - Knowing that it conflicted with my beliefs, I'd not have signed. n/t  Akoto   Sep-15-10 11:33 AM   #27 
  - How do you know what it conflicted with  mjane   Sep-15-10 06:27 PM   #89 
     - I was responding to the poster's hypothetical question.  Akoto   Sep-16-10 10:40 AM   #137 
  - I would not have signed and would not be working here.  LanternWaste   Sep-15-10 11:35 AM   #29 
  - So the choice is free exercise of your rights or destitution?  jayfish   Sep-15-10 11:45 AM   #33 
  - um... voting is secret in this country. nt.  druidity33   Sep-15-10 02:02 PM   #62 
     - Ok, I'll give you that. How about...  jayfish   Sep-15-10 02:40 PM   #67 
  - The "company" in this case, is a government agency.  Xithras   Sep-15-10 11:49 AM   #36 
  - +1 nt.  Hosnon   Sep-15-10 01:57 PM   #60 
  - Any contract signed by a public employee  mjane   Sep-15-10 06:25 PM   #88 
  - Your company doesn't have to comply with the first amendment  jeff47   Sep-16-10 08:08 AM   #128 
  - His action was NOT similar to burning a flag... more like burning a cross- it was/is hate speech. n/  stlsaxman   Sep-15-10 07:20 PM   #94 
     - Hate speech is still free speech. (nt)  jeff47   Sep-16-10 07:54 AM   #124 
        - In Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942)  SOS   Sep-16-10 10:47 AM   #140 
  - He was not charged with arson (or anything else) /nt  Bragi   Sep-15-10 03:10 PM   #71 
  - What utter crap  mjane   Sep-15-10 06:23 PM   #87 
     - i haven't seen any war protesters burning the flag..  frylock   Sep-15-10 07:02 PM   #91 
        - Rachel Corrie burned a US flag  mjane   Sep-15-10 07:08 PM   #93 
        - you're right..  frylock   Sep-15-10 08:50 PM   #100 
           - That I can agree with  mjane   Sep-15-10 09:04 PM   #101 
        - LOL...as requested, war protestors burning flags right here...  Rage for Order   Sep-15-10 11:05 PM   #108 
  - People get fired for facebook posts, smoking outside of work, etc all the time.  jmm   Sep-15-10 10:44 AM   #13 
  - Yup, and the type of people who would burn a Koran have no problem with the despicable practice;...  jayfish   Sep-15-10 11:18 AM   #20 
  - Good catch. (n/t)  Nihil   Sep-15-10 11:48 AM   #35 
  - Totally different ball game when the government is doing the firing. nt.  Hosnon   Sep-15-10 01:55 PM   #58 
  - The government has a history of firing people for their behavior off of the job. (n/t)  jmm   Sep-15-10 07:04 PM   #92 
  - The key difference  jeff47   Sep-16-10 07:57 AM   #125 
     - Not all those "other people" worked for private companies  jmm   Sep-16-10 08:48 AM   #134 
        - Those two examples would make good court tests.  jayfish   Sep-16-10 09:32 AM   #135 
        - There's some problems with your examples  jeff47   Sep-16-10 12:22 PM   #148 
  - Depends on what is written in his employment contract  prolesunited   Sep-15-10 11:06 AM   #18 
  - You Cannot Give Up Your Constitutional Rights Via Contract Negotiation.  jayfish   Sep-15-10 11:23 AM   #23 
  - Constitutional rights were never infringed.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 11:27 AM   #25 
  - No, if there is a penalty directly associated with exorcising your right, it's...  jayfish   Sep-15-10 11:44 AM   #31 
  - If I call you a fucking troll and Skinner deletes my post...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 11:46 AM   #34 
     - Really, Your Going To Go There With Me? Over A Genuine Discussion?  jayfish   Sep-15-10 12:04 PM   #39 
     - It's a hypothetical question.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 12:07 PM   #41 
        - No They Have Not.  jayfish   Sep-15-10 12:15 PM   #44 
           - Well then there you go.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 12:22 PM   #45 
              - If you can't see the difference between non-political speech...  jayfish   Sep-15-10 12:30 PM   #46 
                 - It's not my fault you've contradicted yourself, or that you don't understand the first amendment.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 12:35 PM   #48 
                 - Who Doesn't Understand The First Amendment?  jayfish   Sep-15-10 12:48 PM   #51 
                    - Save your energy, Jayfish.  Chan790   Sep-15-10 09:21 PM   #104 
                 - You think DU is private?  boppers   Sep-16-10 01:39 AM   #120 
                    - I don't think it's private. It is a privately owned and operated site. -NT-  jayfish   Sep-16-10 07:43 AM   #123 
     - compare apples to apples  RantinRavin   Sep-15-10 01:23 PM   #54 
     - No, but...  Chan790   Sep-15-10 09:18 PM   #103 
     - No, because DU is not the government  jeff47   Sep-16-10 08:02 AM   #126 
  - He was fired by the GOVERNMENT..rights infringed n/t  kirby   Sep-15-10 12:10 PM   #43 
  - Is he facing criminal charges? Is he prevented from burning Korans?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 12:36 PM   #49 
     - You don't get it...  kirby   Sep-15-10 01:50 PM   #56 
        - I get what you're saying, kirby. You're just ridiculously wrong.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 04:02 PM   #74 
           - "Fenton was an assistant train-consist coordinator, sources said - a job that entails ensuring..."  jayfish   Sep-15-10 04:42 PM   #76 
              - Yes.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 04:49 PM   #77 
                 - You're missing it again.  jayfish   Sep-15-10 04:58 PM   #78 
                    - Would you not fire somebody for burning a cross?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 05:04 PM   #79 
                       - I Haven't Dodged Anything.  jayfish   Sep-15-10 07:21 PM   #95 
                       - It is not a matter of what I would like done  joeglow3   Sep-16-10 08:41 AM   #132 
  - Our rights wouldn't mean squat if the government could punish the exercise thereof. nt.  Hosnon   Sep-15-10 01:58 PM   #61 
  - They were indeed infringed.  NutmegYankee   Sep-15-10 05:55 PM   #82 
     - Horseshit.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 10:05 PM   #107 
        - Your post is 100% wrong.  jeff47   Sep-16-10 08:14 AM   #129 
        - HOLY FUCKING SHIT...  joeglow3   Sep-16-10 08:43 AM   #133 
           - lol  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-16-10 10:35 AM   #136 
              - I think a lot of posters here seem to think that the State must suffer all lunatics simply because  msanthrope   Sep-16-10 10:45 AM   #138 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-16-10 10:48 AM   #141 
                 - It's an interesting contrast you note...I wonder how many here support the Birther Lt. Col. Lakin  msanthrope   Sep-16-10 10:59 AM   #143 
                    - I do seem to remember Keith Olbermann arguing that Lakin never had a case.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-16-10 11:02 AM   #144 
                    - I've asked a few legal eagles on this thread how this firing squares with Rankin v. McPherson and  msanthrope   Sep-16-10 11:23 AM   #145 
                    - It's interesting but it's also apples and oranges.  jayfish   Sep-16-10 12:26 PM   #149 
                 - Who gets to decide???  joeglow3   Sep-16-10 12:18 PM   #147 
  - Agreed  prolesunited   Sep-15-10 11:44 AM   #32 
  - See #38 -NT-  jayfish   Sep-15-10 12:06 PM   #40 
  - You yanks are surely proving that..  Kristin av Havn   Sep-15-10 01:26 PM   #55 
  - When it comes to the Constitution, property rights are defined by state law.  Hosnon   Sep-15-10 02:04 PM   #64 
  - You can't sign away ANY legally protected rights in a contract negotiation.  Xithras   Sep-15-10 11:55 AM   #37 
  - Thank you for stating that so clearly. So many people don't get that.  closeupready   Sep-15-10 03:08 PM   #70 
     - Conditioning. -NT-  jayfish   Sep-15-10 03:11 PM   #72 
  - Dr. Laura quit  Mz Pip   Sep-15-10 01:55 PM   #59 
  - All of the decisions, restricting speech, discussed on that page...  jayfish   Sep-15-10 12:00 PM   #38 
  - He should get his job back  Stuckinthebush   Sep-15-10 11:18 AM   #21 
  - They're only protecting themselves.  Dappleganger   Sep-15-10 11:29 AM   #26 
  - So we are going to go around in fear of terrorists, giving up our constitutional rights?  totodeinhere   Sep-15-10 12:41 PM   #50 
  - What is the world coming to...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-15-10 11:34 AM   #28 
  - Transit. Think about it. Terror target. Employee. The guy is a walking liability.  truthisfreedom   Sep-15-10 12:33 PM   #47 
  - Agreed--this is what makes what he did job-related. But is there precedent or  ProgressiveEconomist   Sep-15-10 02:02 PM   #63 
  - The only reason we know where he worked is because of the arrest  Love Bug   Sep-15-10 02:12 PM   #65 
     - Isn't publicity inevitable when you burn the holy book of the world's largest religion?  ProgressiveEconomist   Sep-16-10 12:22 AM   #117 
  - Free speech is hard  jeff47   Sep-16-10 08:05 AM   #127 
  - LOLOLOLOL! Looks like there is a "price" for being "crazy"!  SoapBox   Sep-15-10 01:10 PM   #52 
  - What's the definition of "reflects badly on the company"?  jayfish   Sep-15-10 01:15 PM   #53 
  - Not only do I not agree with the decision to fire him, he might have a valid  Hosnon   Sep-15-10 01:53 PM   #57 
  - NY Daily News gives out vital info for reprisals: Derek Fenton, 39, of Bloomingdale, N.J  Turborama   Sep-15-10 03:12 PM   #73 
  - I cannot agree with this.  NutmegYankee   Sep-15-10 05:49 PM   #81 
  - He could be burned alive on Al Jazeera  maxsolomon   Sep-15-10 06:48 PM   #90 
  - Do you still believe Rumsfeld's meme that Al Jazeera is a "terrorist news organization"?  Turborama   Sep-15-10 11:34 PM   #114 
     - I used Al Jazeera because i assume they are more likely to see that channel  maxsolomon   Sep-16-10 12:31 PM   #150 
  - Pretty sad how many here are willing to throw out the Constitutional Rights out with the teabagger.  proteus_lives   Sep-15-10 11:23 PM   #113 
  - This just shows that if you're an employee  ProudDad   Sep-16-10 01:10 AM   #118 
  - Not a free speech issue  ProudDad   Sep-16-10 01:14 AM   #119 
  - 'fraid not  jeff47   Sep-16-10 08:20 AM   #130 
     - Actually, that's a bit facile....  msanthrope   Sep-16-10 10:47 AM   #139 
  - Tonight, Keith Olbermann named NJ Transit Worst Person in the World. n/t  robertpaulsen   Sep-16-10 01:40 AM   #121 
 

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