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80. Some people think EVERY Muslim woman wears a burqa, I guess.
Probably thinks hijab is just another name for burqa, that they're the same thing.
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  -Feds sue Abercrombie & Fitch over Muslim scarf alp227  Sep-02-10 01:14 AM   #0 
  - I'm confused, where do you see a mention of burqas? nt  jobycom   Sep-02-10 01:18 AM   #1 
  - Some people think EVERY Muslim woman wears a burqa, I guess.  Mariana   Sep-02-10 10:40 AM   #80 
  - Might be due to ignorance about the differences between burqas, hijab and other such things...  Regret My New Name   Sep-02-10 11:38 AM   #113 
  - Hijab, not burqa.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:18 AM   #2 
  - Had a thought.  RandomThoughts   Sep-02-10 01:28 AM   #5 
     - Sorry for confusing my words late last night. I think some American men voluntarily wear burqas  alp227   Sep-02-10 10:56 AM   #95 
     - I agree, the first lady was pretty, the second looked scary to me - like  superconnected   Sep-02-10 11:12 AM   #105 
  - Never would have happened at Benetton! nt  greyl   Sep-02-10 01:21 AM   #3 
  - united colors  mdmc   Sep-02-10 06:02 AM   #18 
  - I guess you can call me a bigot but I side with A&F on this one.  napi21   Sep-02-10 01:27 AM   #4 
  - I bet they said that about minorities too  sandnsea   Sep-02-10 01:32 AM   #6 
  - Are you kidding? This is Abercrombie...  Tunkamerica   Sep-02-10 03:59 AM   #15 
  - ...  depakid   Sep-02-10 06:34 AM   #24 
  - Probably targeted by religious nutcases for that reason  izquierdista   Sep-02-10 10:54 AM   #94 
  - Nope, freedom trumps profits.  AlbertCat   Sep-02-10 06:57 AM   #27 
  - I seriously doubt that is an issue for them,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Sep-02-10 10:05 AM   #69 
  - Would you say the same about a Jewish person wearing a yarmulke?  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:32 AM   #8 
  - I don't know, but I'd say it about a nun working there.  napi21   Sep-02-10 08:25 AM   #40 
     - Exactly!  Mimosa   Sep-02-10 09:41 AM   #63 
     - IOW, you can't distinguish between apples and oranges, either. See Reply 74.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 10:37 AM   #79 
     - Why would a nun or priest work there?  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 09:47 AM   #64 
     - It's a display f a religious symbol the same as the hijab is  napi21   Sep-02-10 10:14 AM   #72 
        - Oh, please. You ducked the question about the yarmulke, which is comparable, by  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 10:26 AM   #74 
        - I'd prefer people didn't wear religious displays of any sort  Bragi   Sep-02-10 10:40 AM   #81 
           - Well, in the words of Snoop Dogg, tough shiznit. nt  wookie72   Sep-02-10 10:45 AM   #86 
           - You decide what "useful or helpful" to someone who wears a yarmulke or scarf?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 01:25 PM   #136 
           - Where's all the angst when clerks where a cross then?  MadHound   Sep-03-10 12:08 AM   #245 
        - No, a hijab is more akin to a cross pendant or a yarmulke.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 11:32 AM   #110 
           - Ok, you'r right. I wouldn't hire anyone who wore a yarmulke  napi21   Sep-02-10 03:50 PM   #167 
              - Then you're a bigot who doesn't understand the Constitution.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 03:54 PM   #168 
              - The yarmulke for Jewish men and head covering for Muslim women are  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 04:28 PM   #172 
                 - no they're not  davidinalameda   Sep-02-10 04:33 PM   #173 
                    - Yes, they are requirements, just not of all denominations. Neither Judaism nor  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 04:56 PM   #176 
                    - you said and I quote  davidinalameda   Sep-02-10 09:12 PM   #228 
                       - Where did I say yarmulke was a requirement for ALL Jewish men? Or a head scarf was required for  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 09:31 PM   #234 
                    - All squirrels are mammals, but not all mammals are squirrels. n/t  X_Digger   Sep-02-10 05:25 PM   #183 
                       - and you're neither?  davidinalameda   Sep-02-10 09:12 PM   #229 
     - Nuns and priests are occupations, what they wear can be considered uniforms.  Arrowhead2k1   Sep-02-10 09:39 PM   #237 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-02-10 06:13 AM   #20 
  - Yes, that remark reeks of bigotry  Blandocyte   Sep-02-10 06:28 AM   #23 
  - I guess you can call me a bigot but I side with A&F on this one.  AlbertCat   Sep-02-10 07:11 AM   #30 
  - I'd like to know if they allow, say, baseball caps  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 08:49 AM   #49 
  - Law does not require "reasonable accomodation" for baseball fandom or for caps of any kind.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 10:19 AM   #73 
     - I realize that  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 12:05 PM   #117 
  - Define "All American." WASP? I thought America's most salient characteristic was being a nation of  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 09:57 AM   #68 
  - Actually...  Dems2002   Sep-02-10 06:34 PM   #198 
     - Proves my points. It's about a WASP look, not about an "all-American" look.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 07:44 PM   #214 
  - Yeah . I used to work at a car dealership where the boss didn't ...  Hassin Bin Sober   Sep-02-10 10:28 AM   #75 
  - yup.  La Lioness Priyanka   Sep-02-10 10:28 AM   #77 
  - The code term is "front office appearance"  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 01:48 PM   #141 
     - It isn't about race...  roxiejules   Sep-02-10 09:33 PM   #236 
     - or obese people.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 10:41 PM   #241 
  - customers could be turned off by black people or gay people  La Lioness Priyanka   Sep-02-10 10:28 AM   #76 
  - OK.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-02-10 12:20 PM   #120 
  - Not a bigot, you just haven't thought it through well enough.  jobycom   Sep-02-10 02:00 PM   #149 
  - +1 almost (love most of your post, ibut you're on your own for the last few sentences)  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 04:39 PM   #174 
  - do they ban crosses around the neck?  krabigirl   Sep-02-10 06:27 PM   #194 
  - As I read this, I believe this young woman was just wearing a head scarf,  JDPriestly   Sep-02-10 01:32 AM   #7 
  - For discrimination purposes I don't see the difference between a burqa or a headscarf.  dkf   Sep-02-10 01:39 AM   #9 
     - A person cannot claim discrimination if the person is otherwise not  JDPriestly   Sep-02-10 02:20 AM   #13 
     - A person wearing a burqa for religious reasons is very unlikely to apply for a job anywhere, let  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 11:04 AM   #99 
        - Mother Teresa or Jeffrey Dahmer. That's the problem.  JDPriestly   Sep-02-10 04:48 PM   #175 
     - Not sure that a burka would fit under reasonable accomodations for this job  depakid   Sep-02-10 03:55 AM   #14 
     - The scarves were worn outside....  roxiejules   Sep-02-10 08:50 AM   #50 
     - Not necessarily outside, or to protect the hair, but what's your point?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 11:33 AM   #111 
        - Point  roxiejules   Sep-02-10 10:39 PM   #240 
     - Maybe outside.  dkf   Sep-02-10 10:45 AM   #87 
        - Please see Reply 111. Removing a hat indoors or in elevators has been considered polite for MEN--IF  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 11:39 AM   #114 
        - Google the term "church hat" /nt  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 01:49 PM   #143 
           - What's your point?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 03:04 PM   #163 
              - No point, really, I just want to piss you off /nt  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 03:05 PM   #164 
                 - In that case, please see Reply #177.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 05:07 PM   #178 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-02-10 06:22 AM   #22 
     - If you can't imagine any difference between an employer's ability to see someone's face and not  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 10:43 AM   #84 
  - Since it's a headscarf AF needs to get a clue  rpannier   Sep-02-10 01:48 AM   #10 
  - "Must display hair" and "must display face"?  boppers   Sep-02-10 01:55 AM   #11 
     - Displaying genitals in public is against the law. And which religion REQUIRES you to  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 12:01 PM   #116 
        - Mine does  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 01:49 PM   #144 
           - Can I join?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 02:14 PM   #156 
              - Depends, post a picture /nt  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 02:15 PM   #157 
                 - Oh, this is a one person religion? Then never mind. I've already seen YOUR picture.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 05:02 PM   #177 
  - I blame the fucking Republicans for banging the Muslims Want To Kill You drum --  gateley   Sep-02-10 02:17 AM   #12 
  - Color me surprised...  Heywood J   Sep-02-10 04:40 AM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-02-10 06:51 AM   #26 
  - Thanks for the link  wookie72   Sep-02-10 08:25 AM   #39 
  - Once again someone on the DU  pipoman   Sep-02-10 05:56 AM   #17 
  - Hardly!  depakid   Sep-02-10 06:02 AM   #19 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Sep-02-10 06:20 AM   #21 
  - Women, minorities, people with disabilities, and those religious  Blandocyte   Sep-02-10 06:34 AM   #25 
  - what businesses should Muslims be allowed to work in?  harmonicon   Sep-02-10 06:58 AM   #28 
  - Any business they want, including A&F  pipoman   Sep-02-10 07:05 AM   #29 
     - I am 100% on Disney's side in their current case re: headscarf  LostinVA   Sep-02-10 07:43 AM   #34 
     - AF is required by law to make reasonable accomodation. What in God's name is unreasonable about  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 12:35 PM   #123 
  - This has nothing to do about praying or smoking weed in the store  LostinVA   Sep-02-10 07:38 AM   #33 
  - Really?  pipoman   Sep-02-10 07:45 AM   #36 
  - a t shirt would probably conflict with the uniform, which is a different story  wookie72   Sep-02-10 08:36 AM   #45 
  - In what way is a WWJD tee shirt a 'religious custom'?  Bluenorthwest   Sep-02-10 09:23 AM   #58 
  - again  keroro gunsou   Sep-02-10 09:51 AM   #66 
  - Which religious tradition REQUIRES adherents to wear giant crucifixes whenever they appear  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 12:40 PM   #125 
  - Dreadlocks? You have never been to an A&F have you...  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Sep-03-10 06:21 AM   #248 
  - You are way out there! Rastafarians are not allowed the  Bluenorthwest   Sep-02-10 08:30 AM   #41 
  - Seriously? Get off your high horse.  wookie72   Sep-02-10 08:31 AM   #43 
  - oh brother  keroro gunsou   Sep-02-10 09:38 AM   #62 
  - And the Muslim woman wasn't doing any of those things.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 09:49 AM   #65 
  - What's that on your shoulder? I can't make it out from here.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Sep-02-10 10:42 AM   #82 
  - It's a wooden cross.  Lilith Velkor   Sep-02-10 06:24 PM   #193 
  - You are wrong on so many things, from wearing a scarf = making a spectacle of yourself before decent  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 12:23 PM   #122 
  - The Right hates Islam  Codeine   Sep-02-10 12:39 PM   #124 
  - You're assuming all Muslims are fundies, which they are not.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:09 PM   #129 
  - ? Plenty of Muslim "fundies" don't wear burqas.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 01:19 PM   #133 
  - Burquas are fairly rare even for fundies.  Codeine   Sep-02-10 01:22 PM   #135 
     - But you're also claiming hijabs are all part of a fundamentalist system, which they are not.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:27 PM   #137 
  - You're entitled to your own opinions, even your un-Constitutional opinions, but you are not entitled  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 01:13 PM   #131 
  - Come on down to the gungeon for a demonstration on the falacy  pipoman   Sep-02-10 02:10 PM   #154 
     - Nope. No progressive denies the right to bear arms. the 'well regulated militia clause is WIDE  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 02:43 PM   #162 
        - See, I agree that the most liberal  pipoman   Sep-02-10 09:32 PM   #235 
  - I "Like" your post.  Quantess   Sep-03-10 12:11 AM   #246 
  - I agree with that.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 01:58 PM   #148 
     - Did you read the other responses to Reply 17?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 02:21 PM   #158 
        - Yes, I did.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 04:14 PM   #169 
           - Please see Reply 149. Also, wearing a cross or a piercing is very different  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 05:25 PM   #184 
  - There's nothing about a burka -- if there was, I'd be on A & F's side  LostinVA   Sep-02-10 07:31 AM   #31 
  - Exactly.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:10 PM   #130 
  - "Not Abercrombie look..."  The_Commonist   Sep-02-10 07:35 AM   #32 
  - They did screw up -- this is a huge market for them  LostinVA   Sep-02-10 07:46 AM   #37 
  - Having a ponytail and a paunch are not things for which an employer has a legal duty to  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 02:01 PM   #150 
  - I oppose public displays of religion  Bragi   Sep-02-10 07:44 AM   #35 
  - I suppose if this were Logan's Run  wookie72   Sep-02-10 08:39 AM   #46 
  - You wrote:  Bragi   Sep-02-10 10:37 AM   #78 
     - Yeah, it is weird.  wookie72   Sep-02-10 10:46 AM   #89 
  - You could draw a picture of a crying baby and staple it to your shirt.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 11:34 AM   #112 
  - wait, doesn't Ambercrombie & Fitch promote wanton sexuality?  crikkett   Sep-02-10 07:58 AM   #38 
  - What in the article suggested the young woman was  Bluenorthwest   Sep-02-10 08:41 AM   #47 
  - Exactly my point upthread n/t  LostinVA   Sep-02-10 08:50 AM   #51 
  - It is a pile of ravings  Bluenorthwest   Sep-02-10 08:54 AM   #53 
  - Oh come on, don't you know ALL Muslims are fundamentalist?  Mariana   Sep-02-10 11:00 AM   #97 
  - I know of no Biblical injunction against costly or attractive clothing.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 06:02 PM   #190 
     - First Timothy 2:9  Bluenorthwest   Sep-03-10 07:03 PM   #255 
  - Not all hijab wearers are "fundamentalist"  wookie72   Sep-02-10 08:54 AM   #54 
  - And many wear it because men tell them to do so  Bragi   Sep-02-10 10:49 AM   #91 
     - Prove it. nt.  wookie72   Sep-02-10 10:52 AM   #93 
     - You gotta be kidding  Bragi   Sep-02-10 11:00 AM   #96 
        - No, i mean prove that a man *forced* the scarf on her.  wookie72   Sep-02-10 11:08 AM   #102 
        - If this were a burqa, I would agree with you.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 01:34 PM   #138 
     - And many claim that they're all about women's rights.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-02-10 12:21 PM   #121 
     - Not me  Bragi   Sep-02-10 01:37 PM   #139 
        - Why is your face so often that close to women's heads?  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 01:52 PM   #146 
        - I'm an astronaut.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Sep-02-10 01:55 PM   #147 
     - Yeah, so, many women wear what men tell them to - with no religion at all  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 01:52 PM   #145 
     - Yes, men have historically controlled most religions. And? Allow only wiccan women to work?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 05:38 PM   #187 
  - How about "She's an adult and capable of deciding for herself where it is okay for her to work, just  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 02:08 PM   #153 
  - You have to admit, they look pretty strange  Xipe Totec   Sep-02-10 08:30 AM   #42 
  - Audrey Hepburn is always a welcome sight. nt  wookie72   Sep-02-10 08:55 AM   #55 
  - Unfortunately...  friedgreentomatoes   Sep-02-10 09:18 PM   #230 
     - Strawman? On the contrary  Xipe Totec   Sep-03-10 06:07 AM   #247 
  - Anyone insisting on 15th century clothing  cosmicone   Sep-02-10 08:31 AM   #44 
  - Yeah... these people were so uncool...  wookie72   Sep-02-10 08:59 AM   #56 
  - A scarf is 15th Century? Who knew? Anyone who discriminates is not hip by definition..  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 03:19 PM   #165 
     - The clothing has to go with the business' image ...  cosmicone   Sep-02-10 07:44 PM   #213 
  - What about a young cute  madmom   Sep-02-10 08:45 AM   #48 
  - She wore the scarf at an interview - Nothing indicates she intended to wear it on the job  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 08:52 AM   #52 
  - It's not a fancy tie -- she doesn't wear it to impress anyone.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:19 PM   #134 
     - I realize that  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 01:46 PM   #140 
        - Here in NYC, I see Muslim women wearing it throughout the day.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:48 PM   #142 
           - Yes, I think some perceptions are driven by where people live  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 02:03 PM   #151 
  - My Religion Compels Me  CBGLuthier   Sep-02-10 09:05 AM   #57 
  - I'd buy from you  Bragi   Sep-02-10 10:44 AM   #85 
  - Google "reasonable accomodation."  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 06:17 PM   #191 
  - sigh  keroro gunsou   Sep-02-10 09:30 AM   #59 
  - They already tried to banish an amputee for not meeting the "look policy"  friendly_iconoclast   Sep-02-10 12:06 PM   #118 
  - Frankly, I don't have a problem with a salesperson or anyone else wearing a hijab  BlueMTexpat   Sep-02-10 09:32 AM   #60 
  - When you work for A&F you are considered a "floor model."  Lightning Count   Sep-02-10 09:38 AM   #61 
  - She isn't refusing to wear their clothing  LostinVA   Sep-02-10 10:43 AM   #83 
  - If you're a runway model and decide to change the outfit in anyway what happens to you?  Lightning Count   Sep-02-10 10:47 AM   #90 
  - Maybe not, if the change is dictated by your religion and the employer is subject to the law of  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 06:54 PM   #202 
  - Part of their "attire"...  friedgreentomatoes   Sep-02-10 09:20 PM   #232 
  - So?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 06:28 PM   #195 
  - Misses my point. Who in the name of God is buying their overpriced crap  mbperrin   Sep-02-10 09:54 AM   #67 
  - I think it is pretty unfair not to expect the company to have a dress code that fits their branding  Exultant Democracy   Sep-02-10 10:09 AM   #70 
  - Unfair or not, well established law requires reasonable accommodation for religion  depakid   Sep-02-10 10:11 AM   #71 
     - Reasonable accomodation?  Bragi   Sep-02-10 10:46 AM   #88 
     - Then one would hope you had the sense to stay out of management  depakid   Sep-02-10 11:03 AM   #98 
     - Girls at Hooters wearing jilbabs? nt  Lightning Count   Sep-02-10 10:49 AM   #92 
        - Why not?  depakid   Sep-02-10 11:04 AM   #100 
           - So many reasons. nt  Lightning Count   Sep-02-10 11:05 AM   #101 
              - And none of them legal  depakid   Sep-02-10 11:10 AM   #103 
                 - Strip club with girls wearing jilbabs? They can call it 72....  Lightning Count   Sep-02-10 11:11 AM   #104 
                    - Could be  depakid   Sep-02-10 11:17 AM   #106 
                       - The names for a Jewish Chippendale's are endless.  Lightning Count   Sep-02-10 11:20 AM   #107 
                          - They will lose this case  depakid   Sep-02-10 11:21 AM   #108 
                          - Bet you a coke they won't lose if they take it to trial.  Lightning Count   Sep-02-10 11:24 AM   #109 
                          - A & F calls their sales employees "models".  riderinthestorm   Sep-02-10 02:08 PM   #152 
                             - And I've seen thousands of businesses call employees "independent contractors"  depakid   Sep-02-10 07:16 PM   #204 
                             - I bet A & F goes the Disney route and gets off.  riderinthestorm   Sep-02-10 07:23 PM   #207 
                                - Not a chance  depakid   Sep-02-10 07:42 PM   #212 
                                - Shrug. Honestly, I believe A & F SHOULD lose.  riderinthestorm   Sep-02-10 07:57 PM   #216 
                                - Disney made 7 different attempts at reasonable accommodation and still hasn't gotten off.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 08:05 PM   #218 
                             - She did not apply for a sales position. Besides, AF has two kinds of sales reps.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 09:21 PM   #233 
                          - So? Why can't a woman wear the latest fashions AND a head scarf? Happens every day, all over the  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 08:27 PM   #221 
  - A friend of my daughter was fired from A&F last month for having fingernails that were too long.  Xithras   Sep-02-10 11:56 AM   #115 
  - no wonder I hate that store. horrid.  krabigirl   Sep-02-10 06:29 PM   #196 
  - A&F is infamous for racism. They were fined millions for making Black workers use back entrances  entanglement   Sep-02-10 12:16 PM   #119 
  - A lot of people will not shop at a store if one of the clerks is wearing a headscarf.  totodeinhere   Sep-02-10 12:47 PM   #126 
  - Lots of people are bigoted against African-Americans.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 12:56 PM   #127 
  - Sorry for the typo. But whether weapons are allowed in stores or not, nevertheless the religious  totodeinhere   Sep-02-10 01:08 PM   #128 
     - Reasonable accomodation of religion doesn't extend to weapons.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 01:14 PM   #132 
     - Actually, in some circumstances it has been  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 02:21 PM   #159 
     - Does religiion require Sikhs to have theiri knives with them at all times in public?  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 07:22 PM   #206 
        - Yes, it does.  X_Digger   Sep-02-10 07:40 PM   #211 
  - This may come as a surprise, but  jberryhill   Sep-02-10 02:23 PM   #160 
  - The intent of equal opportunity employment laws is NOT to ensure  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 08:33 PM   #222 
  - Interesting take on the issue.  wookie72   Sep-02-10 02:11 PM   #155 
  - I support A and F on this  taught_me_patience   Sep-02-10 02:35 PM   #161 
  - That's not how a hijab works, and it has nothing to do with prayer breaks.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 03:26 PM   #166 
     - And what will happen if the Jewish man takes off his yarmulke at work?  Quantess   Sep-02-10 04:23 PM   #170 
     - It's called religious freedom.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 04:26 PM   #171 
        - Sorry, I can't help but snicker at religious people and their follies.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 05:09 PM   #179 
           - I'm not remotely religious, but I do respect the Constitution.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 05:12 PM   #180 
           - Having a dress code at work does not equal discrimination.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 08:33 PM   #223 
              - Their dress code in this case runs afoul of federal law.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 11:05 PM   #243 
           - And I can't help snorting at people who are oblivious to the reality that  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 06:23 PM   #192 
              - Reminds me of fundies against gay marriage.  Starbucks Anarchist   Sep-02-10 06:33 PM   #197 
              - Atheism is not a faith. Nice try at trying to derail the convo though. nt  riderinthestorm   Sep-02-10 07:28 PM   #208 
              - Play any semantic game you will, belief in a higher power is only the flip side  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 07:54 PM   #215 
                 - Won't even try. You're dead wrong. Take your argument to the Religion and Theology Forum  riderinthestorm   Sep-02-10 08:01 PM   #217 
                 - Good.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 08:35 PM   #225 
                 - No, and it isn't a game of semantics.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 09:11 PM   #227 
              - I just read #19. Great, fine.  Quantess   Sep-02-10 08:46 PM   #226 
     - You know, you bring up an interesting problem with this.  Xithras   Sep-02-10 07:00 PM   #203 
        - AF offers many "looks" that are not sexy, but simply "preppy" or casual.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 07:32 PM   #209 
        - But that's not their marketing. Their marketing is slutty.  riderinthestorm   Sep-02-10 07:35 PM   #210 
           - First, that is a different point entirely from the one to which I was responding, which was  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 09:19 PM   #231 
              - Yes, human, shirtless male models standing in front of the store does happen at A&F  riderinthestorm   Sep-03-10 02:11 PM   #253 
        - The equal employment laws do not cover hypocrisy.  Hassin Bin Sober   Sep-02-10 10:34 PM   #239 
  - Don't bring your religion to the workplace.  Devil Child   Sep-02-10 05:14 PM   #181 
  - You're saying "Don't work while being a woman whose religion  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 05:34 PM   #186 
     - Thank you for responding  Devil Child   Sep-02-10 05:52 PM   #189 
        - You're making an artificial distinction, like saying you don't object  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 06:34 PM   #199 
  - I can see both sides..  X_Digger   Sep-02-10 05:16 PM   #182 
  - good luck feds ... you'll lose AF has every right to dictate what their employees wear at work  MikeW   Sep-02-10 05:30 PM   #185 
  - Please see Reply # 19. Also  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 06:49 PM   #200 
  - Guess you missed the case cited in post 19  depakid   Sep-02-10 06:50 PM   #201 
     - different circumstances  MikeW   Sep-02-10 08:08 PM   #219 
        - Please see Reply 218.  No Elephants   Sep-02-10 08:22 PM   #220 
        - As the old lawyers' saying goes:  depakid   Sep-02-10 08:33 PM   #224 
  - If the "Good Lord" had meant for us to have any visual privacy among ourselves,  Judi Lynn   Sep-02-10 05:44 PM   #188 
  - Maybe if the burka was made to look like the U.S. flag then it would be all right.  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Sep-02-10 07:18 PM   #205 
  - I see why I didn't get that office job  AlphaCentauri   Sep-02-10 10:32 PM   #238 
  - Feds will very likely lose.  Angleae   Sep-02-10 10:48 PM   #242 
  - BS . . . NO ONE'S PRACTICE OF RELIGION depends on having their religious symbols  defendandprotect   Sep-02-10 11:53 PM   #244 
  - Holy shit.  Codeine   Sep-03-10 10:32 AM   #252 
  - Why is it...  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Sep-03-10 07:01 AM   #249 
  - Because that's the way tolerance works- it doesn't have to be reciprocal.  X_Digger   Sep-03-10 08:47 AM   #251 
  - personally i think she went there looking to create a problem  dugaresa   Sep-03-10 08:25 AM   #250 
  - As a legal issue....  MellowDem   Sep-03-10 03:15 PM   #254 
 

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