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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 09:00 AM
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47. You ask a good question
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 09:15 AM by Turborama
"How can we argue that its ok for the Community Center to be built even though it is upsetting to some yet also argue against the koran burnings for the same reason?"

You have to think about what are the purposes for both of these two things to get to how I can argue the difference.


What is the purpose and expected end result of burning a whole load of Qu'rans?

What is the purpose and expected end result of building an Islamic Community Center (ICC) based on the same principles as the Jewish Community Center (JCC) in Manhattan?

This "NYC Mosque/Community Center debate", as you call it, didn't even exist until Faux, Geller et al got their fearmongering hatefilled claws into it.

The Qu'ran has been respected as a holy book for centuries, even by those who aren't Muslims.

"I think the best we can hope for in this situation is that the fire permit isn't issued and the fire chief puts an end to it on those grounds."

Didn't you read my 1st reply to you? It's been denied twice.


And as for this "I don't see where money impacts liberties" statement. Is that referring to my "money making stunt" comment? If you want to see where money comes into this, go to the link I gave you and also the DK link kpete provides within it to find out.

PS I think you might want to look up the meaning of the word "spiritual".

(BTW I have a personal stake in how this all pans out as I am an expat living in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world)
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  - This is what these book-burning assholes want.  rucky   Aug-27-10 05:44 PM   #1 
  - Exactly. The best response any Muslim should have is to ignore them.  gtar100   Aug-27-10 09:39 PM   #22 
     - Absolutely correct. Bad attention is still attention, and it will just spread their hate.  Aaria   Aug-27-10 10:11 PM   #25 
  - I guess the idea that the U.S. Govt. doesn't control this hasn't occurred to them.  Deep13   Aug-27-10 05:48 PM   #2 
  - It's not in their mental paradigm.  boppers   Sep-06-10 12:47 AM   #41 
  - A "homicide bomber"?  tularetom   Aug-27-10 05:50 PM   #3 
  - This phrase, "homocide bomber" is a Fox News doublespeak creation.  Salander   Sep-05-10 06:28 PM   #39 
  - what is that old saying....oh, ya.........  blue sky at night   Aug-27-10 05:50 PM   #4 
  - Nope  EC   Aug-27-10 06:03 PM   #9 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-27-10 05:51 PM   #5 
  - The opposite was easy to find  DissedByBush   Aug-27-10 05:52 PM   #6 
  - I can feel the hate. It's palpable. N/T  AikidoSoul   Aug-27-10 06:59 PM   #13 
  - Sure they have every "right" to do this... BUT,  madmom   Aug-27-10 05:56 PM   #7 
  - No.  Igel   Aug-27-10 08:16 PM   #19 
     - Are you equating a legal right to build a community center  sabrina 1   Aug-28-10 11:53 PM   #32 
     - Intent is important, and came up as an issue in the community center.  boppers   Sep-06-10 12:53 AM   #42 
     - I think you can stand for the first ammendment whether you agree on its use or not  peopleb4money   Sep-05-10 02:11 PM   #35 
  - Well, now the U.S. Feds should be able to step in  EC   Aug-27-10 06:00 PM   #8 
  - That would be *exactly* the wrong thing to do. The RW would say "See, told you so"  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-27-10 07:12 PM   #15 
  - IMHO the local FD should just be standing by with hoses connected  RamboLiberal   Aug-27-10 07:20 PM   #17 
  - Of course! Have the Feds step in -- threat to national security --  smalll   Aug-29-10 04:09 AM   #33 
  - religious nuttery, always sickening whatever the religion  Skittles   Aug-27-10 06:19 PM   #10 
  - the "Dove Outreach" wants to burn Korans  onethatcares   Aug-27-10 06:34 PM   #11 
  - These Idiots  Drale   Aug-27-10 06:41 PM   #12 
  - That is their goal  bergie321   Aug-27-10 07:10 PM   #14 
  - Even if these idiots burn Korans....  SnakeEyes   Aug-27-10 07:15 PM   #16 
  - yeah, respond like a moron  iamthebandfanman   Aug-27-10 07:20 PM   #18 
  - This is only the begining...  humbled_opinion   Aug-27-10 09:03 PM   #20 
  - If its popular enough, they'll star burning The Origin of Species, A Brief History of Time...  peopleb4money   Sep-05-10 02:26 PM   #36 
  - the problem isn't just one crazy right-wing church or one Community Center with one Mosque  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-27-10 09:25 PM   #21 
  - Just wait till Geert Wilders arrives on 9/11 to mainline his talking points  Karenina   Sep-05-10 03:33 PM   #37 
  - I have two bibles at home...  awoke_in_2003   Aug-27-10 09:50 PM   #23 
  - Radical Muslims and Redical Fundamentalist Christians all want the same thing  bluestateguy   Aug-27-10 10:05 PM   #24 
  - Both sides are guilty.....  roxiejules   Aug-27-10 10:51 PM   #26 
  - the violence will stop when the christian crusaders stop genociding muslims  gerenimox   Sep-05-10 05:19 PM   #38 
  - As heinous as it is, it is protected free speech. n/t  cosmicone   Aug-27-10 11:06 PM   #27 
  - I hope this Koran-burning asshole realizes he's helping to get  bullwinkle428   Aug-28-10 12:22 AM   #28 
  - What about civilians who live abroad? n/t  Turborama   Aug-28-10 04:15 AM   #29 
     - Roughly 100 Indonesian Islamists protested outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta on Friday  Turborama   Aug-28-10 05:20 AM   #31 
  - Guess which is the only 'news' organization reporting this?  Turborama   Aug-28-10 04:19 AM   #30 
  - *facepalm*  Codeine   Aug-29-10 08:18 AM   #34 
  - If burning a flag is an expression of free speech, isn't this the same thing?  lynne   Sep-05-10 11:24 PM   #40 
  - Faux Orlando tried to make the same false equivalence. BTW Dove Worlds fire permit denied again  Turborama   Sep-06-10 01:53 AM   #43 
     - Why do you consider it a false equivalence?  lynne   Sep-06-10 07:15 AM   #44 
        - A flag is a symbol of nationhood/patriotism and has no deep spiritual significance  Turborama   Sep-06-10 08:19 AM   #45 
           - Many would argue that the flag does have deep spiritual significance -  lynne   Sep-06-10 08:46 AM   #46 
              - You ask a good question  Turborama   Sep-06-10 09:00 AM   #47 
                 - You don't need to get snarky -  lynne   Sep-06-10 09:15 AM   #48 
                    - You steadfastly stand by your belief in the the sanctity of the "rights" in America's constitution  Turborama   Sep-06-10 09:47 AM   #49 
  - It would be wrong to react to the Koran burning with violence.  totodeinhere   Sep-06-10 10:35 AM   #50 
  - Why protest over the actions of some idiots?  Vehl   Sep-06-10 12:19 PM   #51 
  - It's bound to bring out all the people who take their shit way too seriously  slackmaster   Sep-06-10 01:02 PM   #52 
  - Just imagine the risk these people are exposing our US troops to  humblebum   Sep-06-10 01:25 PM   #53 
 

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