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141. a NYT article about Imam Feisal and his plan for the center written before the crazy hate campaign

Muslim Prayers and Renewal Near Ground Zero

Published: December 8, 2009


As a Sufi, Imam Feisal follows a path of Islam focused more on spiritual wisdom than on strict ritual, and as a bridge builder, he is sometimes focused more on cultivating relations with those outside his faith than within it.


Those who have worked with him say if anyone could pull off what many regard to be a delicate project, it would be Imam Feisal, whom they described as having built a career preaching tolerance and interfaith understanding.

He subscribes to my credo: Live and let live, said Rabbi Arthur Schneier, spiritual leader of Park East Synagogue on East 67th Street.


The mayors director of the Office of Immigrant Affairs, Fatima Shama, went further. We as New York Muslims have as much of a commitment to rebuilding New York as anybody, Ms. Shama said. Imam Feisals wife, Daisy Khan, serves on an advisory team for the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, and Lynn Rasic, a spokeswoman for the memorial, said, The idea of a cultural center that strengthens ties between Muslims and people of all faiths and backgrounds is positive.


Building so close is owning the tragedy. Its a way of saying: This is something done by people who call themselves Muslims. We want to be here to repair the breach, as the Bible says.

The F.B.I. said Imam Feisal had helped agents reach out to the Muslim population after Sept. 11. Weve had positive interactions with him in the past, said an agency spokesman, Richard Kolk. Alice Hoagland of Las Gatos, Calif., whose son, Mark Bingham, was killed in the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, said, Its quite a bold step buying a piece of land adjacent to ground zero, but she said she considered plans for the site a noble effort.


Joy Levitt, executive director of the Jewish Community Center, said the group would be proud to be a model for Imam Feisal at ground zero. For the J.C.C. to have partners in the Muslim community that share our vision of pluralism and tolerance would be great, she said.

Mr. El-Gamal agreed. What happened that day, he said, was not Islam.

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Mayor Michael Bloomberg: 'Sad Day For America' If Ground Zero Mosque Plan Is Killed

Mayor Michael Bloomberg: 'Sad Day For America' If Ground Zero Mosque Plan Is Killed

NEW YORK New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg says it would be "a sad day for America" if opponents successfully kill plans for a mosque proposed near the World Trade Center site.

Bloomberg has been among a few outspoken elected officials supporting the plans for an Islamic center and mosque two blocks from ground zero.

"Let us not forget that Muslims were among those murdered on 9/11 and that our Muslim neighbors grieved with us as New Yorkers and as Americans. We would betray our values and play into our enemies' hands if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists and we should not stand for that." Mayor Michael Bloomberg

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  -They won't build it Hardhats vow not to work on controversial mosque near Ground Zero RamboLiberal  Aug-20-10 09:58 AM   #0 
  - Screw 'em. Lots of guys out there looking for work...n/t  monmouth   Aug-20-10 09:59 AM   #1 
  - You want to bring in scabs?  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:08 AM   #7 
     - So you'd support a union picket based on bigoted fear and ignorance?  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-20-10 10:17 AM   #12 
     - No, but would you support scabs if you disagreed with the union workers?  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:21 AM   #20 
     - In this instance? Sure. Fuck 'em.  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-20-10 10:24 AM   #25 
     - What if they refused to build a Ku Klux Klan meeting center in the South?  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:26 AM   #29 
     - Then in that instance their principles would be against and not in favour of bigotry.  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-20-10 10:28 AM   #32 
     - Moral codes differ.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:30 AM   #35 
        - Differing moral codes does not excuse outright bigotry that goes against the US Constitution  NickB79   Aug-20-10 10:33 AM   #37 
        - Actually it is not  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-20-10 12:23 PM   #84 
           - I'm pretty sure it is a violation of state and federal civil rights laws.  Hansel   Aug-21-10 03:45 PM   #239 
              - It would be individual union members, not the construction companies or the unions themselves  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-21-10 07:31 PM   #244 
        - If the union won't work on it, then yes, it is.  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-20-10 10:33 AM   #38 
        - Try this as an example.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:36 AM   #39 
           - You're confusing the issue by introducing totally inrelated hypotheticals.  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-20-10 10:42 AM   #43 
           - No, I'm talking about moral codes which was the issue.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:43 AM   #47 
           - Why should they be paid more than they'd get to work on any other project?  Spider Jerusalem   Aug-20-10 10:46 AM   #52 
           - so you can pay away bigotry?  mikelgb   Aug-20-10 10:48 AM   #55 
           - If this is a moral issue isn't this exactly the same as the doctor...  MedicalAdmin   Aug-20-10 10:52 AM   #57 
           - So you support bribing people into doing the right thing?  Amaril   Aug-20-10 10:59 AM   #64 
           - But that's a central tenet of 3rd Way ideology.  burnsei sensei   Aug-22-10 07:29 AM   #248 
           - No. You're equating a legitimate work related beef with a refusal to work based  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:25 PM   #175 
           - Fuck your moral codes - they don't hold water against secular goverment.  CLANG   Aug-20-10 10:56 PM   #206 
           - That's why I stopped responding to his posts  Tempest   Aug-20-10 08:19 PM   #203 
           - Your example has NOTHING  polmaven   Aug-20-10 01:57 PM   #97 
           - Now you are moving the goalposts and creating a strawman.  cleanhippie   Aug-21-10 09:25 AM   #230 
        - There is no union behind this thing. It's an individual doing it... n/t  Violet_Crumble   Aug-20-10 06:02 PM   #199 
        - ^pantload^  Warren Stupidity   Aug-21-10 07:33 AM   #222 
        - Not in these two instances they don't!  cleanhippie   Aug-21-10 09:24 AM   #228 
     - I imagine many people...  LanternWaste   Aug-20-10 11:09 AM   #69 
     - What organization is the poster supporting? Rednecks R Us? No union has taken a stand on this.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:28 PM   #177 
     - Building a Muslim community center is the same as building a Klan meeting center?  TomClash   Aug-20-10 11:46 AM   #77 
     - Must we be so facile all of the time?  jberryhill   Aug-20-10 01:31 PM   #93 
     - Actually it was  TomClash   Aug-20-10 04:50 PM   #184 
     - And...  polmaven   Aug-20-10 02:02 PM   #98 
        - Indeed  TomClash   Aug-20-10 04:45 PM   #181 
     - Uh-huh. I'm so sure the Klan would go out of their way to hire union labor.  KamaAina   Aug-20-10 12:01 PM   #81 
     - +1  Fearless   Aug-20-10 10:47 AM   #53 
     - Absolutely.....  russspeakeasy   Aug-20-10 02:56 PM   #105 
     - how to put this....  frylock   Aug-20-10 10:25 AM   #27 
     - You support union workers when they agree with you.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:27 AM   #30 
        - What is the union position on this.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-20-10 10:50 AM   #56 
        - the union is breaking itself on this..  frylock   Aug-20-10 10:57 AM   #62 
        - I don't know of a single union that has spoken on this yet. Do you?  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:45 PM   #182 
           - The Int'l Brotherhood Of Amalgamated Strawmwen, Local 13 /nt  jberryhill   Aug-21-10 06:32 AM   #218 
        - Bullshit. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. It's about evil v decency  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:43 PM   #180 
     - I know I would. Union guys are not upset about wages, it's the Community  monmouth   Aug-20-10 10:26 AM   #28 
     - A bunch of construction workers signing an internet pledge is not a union  petronius   Aug-20-10 10:39 AM   #42 
     - After the Union kicks out Muslim members  jberryhill   Aug-20-10 01:34 PM   #96 
     - Yes. Mom and Dad: ILGWU Me: AFl-CIO (when not self employed).  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:20 PM   #174 
     - But are these guys really union workers or just right wing shills?  alfredo   Aug-20-10 02:49 PM   #103 
        - Nightshift workers look like that.  boppers   Aug-20-10 05:46 PM   #195 
           - In my little burg, come 5 PM you were clocking out.  alfredo   Aug-20-10 11:04 PM   #208 
              - I don't look at the tan, I look at the hands.  boppers   Aug-21-10 12:11 AM   #209 
              - I have farmer/mechanic/postal worker hands. Now they  alfredo   Aug-21-10 12:21 AM   #211 
                 - Bones take longer to change.  boppers   Aug-21-10 12:48 AM   #213 
                    - Yeah my bones show the ravages of years of labor. M fingers are crooked  alfredo   Aug-21-10 10:02 AM   #231 
              - Big city construction sites run 24/7  pipoman   Aug-21-10 06:55 AM   #220 
                 - Happy hour starts at 5  alfredo   Aug-21-10 10:03 AM   #232 
     - wow, you have no clue. n/t  iamthebandfanman   Aug-20-10 10:18 AM   #15 
     - It's not the unions doing this - it's individuals  EC   Aug-20-10 11:13 AM   #71 
     - I think you are conflating unions with a few of their members  TomClash   Aug-20-10 11:43 AM   #76 
     - No, someone needs to educate these people It is NOT ON SACRED GROUND.  sabrina 1   Aug-20-10 02:29 PM   #100 
     - Are you saying all union members are bigots, so scabs are the only alternative?  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:33 PM   #178 
     - Scabs? I'm pretty sure you don't know what the term means...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-20-10 05:56 PM   #198 
  - What the hell is wrong with this picture?  PDJane   Aug-20-10 10:00 AM   #2 
  - extremists...  ixion   Aug-20-10 10:01 AM   #3 
  - They just continue to slither up and out of every dark crevice imaginable don't they? nt  nc4bo   Aug-20-10 10:20 AM   #18 
  - Riiiight  wryter2000   Aug-20-10 10:01 AM   #4 
  - So  BeFree   Aug-20-10 10:01 AM   #5 
  - Knew this would happen.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:09 AM   #8 
  - BS  BeFree   Aug-20-10 10:17 AM   #13 
  - The union workers have been saying this since the beginning.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:20 AM   #19 
     - OH?  BeFree   Aug-20-10 10:39 AM   #41 
     - We will just have to wait a see.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:42 AM   #44 
        - That's better  BeFree   Aug-20-10 10:44 AM   #49 
           - Or I could be actually blind :). nt  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:45 AM   #50 
     - "The" union workers? Who? All of them? Half of them? 27.19% of them?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Aug-20-10 01:34 PM   #95 
  - Sounds like wishful thinking.  Dogtown   Aug-20-10 12:06 PM   #83 
  - Umm  SnakeEyes   Aug-20-10 10:59 AM   #63 
     - Eh?  BeFree   Aug-20-10 11:02 AM   #65 
     - Right. It has nothing to do with unions or being union workers, either, if indeed they even are.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:09 PM   #173 
        - Well yes, there are people like that here on DU.  SnakeEyes   Aug-22-10 12:02 PM   #252 
  - too bad. there are plenty more americans that will do the work  ensho   Aug-20-10 10:05 AM   #6 
  - Scabs are the answer!  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:10 AM   #9 
     - how about a non-bigot union crew  eShirl   Aug-20-10 10:15 AM   #11 
     - If that can be found than that would work fine.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:19 AM   #17 
        - But an end run around the Constitution, that's just fine, right?  NickB79   Aug-20-10 10:30 AM   #36 
           - And then they'll realize how much cheaper scabs are and how they want to work.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:37 AM   #40 
              - And the unions would only have themselves to blame for that  NickB79   Aug-20-10 11:05 AM   #68 
     - Scabs are NEVER the answer.  MedicalAdmin   Aug-20-10 10:56 AM   #61 
     - A union isn't involved here - it's individual workers exercising their  petronius   Aug-20-10 02:56 PM   #106 
        - Then watch them strike .  John Kerry VonErich   Aug-20-10 04:52 PM   #185 
     - did you see 'scab' in my writing?  ensho   Aug-20-10 11:28 AM   #73 
     - Which union has announced this boycott?  Warren Stupidity   Aug-21-10 07:34 AM   #223 
  - American Taliban.  chimpymustgo   Aug-20-10 10:13 AM   #10 
  - fucking bigots  mikelgb   Aug-20-10 10:17 AM   #14 
  - Fuck em, others will do the work.  iamthebandfanman   Aug-20-10 10:18 AM   #16 
  - Some things are more important.  semillama   Aug-20-10 10:21 AM   #21 
     - What else is more important than unions?  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:24 AM   #24 
        - Your Constitution? nt  GliderGuider   Aug-20-10 10:30 AM   #33 
        - And it seems the union workers  RantinRavin   Aug-20-10 11:03 AM   #66 
        - What Union Has Endorsed This? None.  jberryhill   Aug-20-10 05:06 PM   #188 
        - Yes but there are no Consitutional issues here  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-20-10 12:24 PM   #85 
           - In that case, if no union will do the work scabs are fine with me.  GliderGuider   Aug-20-10 12:39 PM   #89 
        - What is more important than Constitutional rights?  eShirl   Aug-20-10 10:43 AM   #46 
  - Creepy.  krabigirl   Aug-20-10 10:21 AM   #22 
  - said Dave Kaiser, 38, a blaster who is working to rebuild the World Trade Center sit  mikelgb   Aug-20-10 10:22 AM   #23 
  - The lazy union worker meme?  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 10:24 AM   #26 
     - I suspect...  Chan790   Aug-20-10 10:28 AM   #31 
     - indeed  mikelgb   Aug-20-10 10:43 AM   #48 
     - Look, I am sure your Union is perfect in every way, but  mikelgb   Aug-20-10 10:43 AM   #45 
     - Has nothing to do with the "meme"-the union guy mentioned above is already working another union job  haele   Aug-20-10 02:54 PM   #104 
     - Okay, get the fuck over it  Chulanowa   Aug-21-10 01:32 AM   #216 
     - Haven't heard that for a while.  burnsei sensei   Aug-22-10 07:35 AM   #249 
  - I really suspect the media pushing this thing. What's "a growing number"?  Matariki   Aug-20-10 10:30 AM   #34 
  - Well said.  polmaven   Aug-20-10 02:31 PM   #101 
     - Where is the link to that?  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 02:43 PM   #102 
        - In the OP  polmaven   Aug-20-10 03:16 PM   #107 
  - Ha Ha! Don't worry, those dudes will do it... for the right price. Trust me.... a NYer.  zonkers   Aug-20-10 10:46 AM   #51 
  - are there no Arab-American building contractors?  wookie72   Aug-20-10 10:47 AM   #54 
  - Muslim American contractors would be more relevant.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 05:09 PM   #189 
     - Fair enough.  wookie72   Aug-21-10 09:24 AM   #229 
  - lot of people in here dont understand that  MikeW   Aug-20-10 10:53 AM   #58 
  - And I'm guessing those licenses  wookie72   Aug-20-10 12:57 PM   #91 
     - good luck going down that road ... lol delusional  MikeW   Aug-20-10 03:37 PM   #168 
        - Deluisional that civil rights be upheld?  wookie72   Aug-20-10 04:36 PM   #179 
           - What is delusional are people who insist this is a civil rights issue..  pipoman   Aug-21-10 07:30 AM   #221 
              - Lunch counters couldn't refuse paying customers  wookie72   Aug-21-10 07:50 AM   #225 
                 - This isn't a business refusing, it is individuals..  pipoman   Aug-21-10 07:55 AM   #226 
                    - Then the companies have every right to fire them,  wookie72   Aug-21-10 08:53 AM   #227 
                       - I do believe that the union would be able, in fact maybe obligated, to dismiss them  pipoman   Aug-21-10 11:56 AM   #234 
                          - Actually it does.  Hansel   Aug-21-10 04:15 PM   #240 
                             - While I see your point  pipoman   Aug-21-10 07:18 PM   #243 
  - How about giving a bunch of Mexicans temporary work visas just to make their heads totally explode?  Turborama   Aug-20-10 10:53 AM   #59 
  - That would be the best.  chrisa   Aug-20-10 11:40 AM   #75 
  - Gotta agree with Lightning  John Kerry VonErich   Aug-20-10 10:54 AM   #60 
  - You find straw men persuasive? He or she made this a union issue when no union has spoken on it,  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 05:51 PM   #196 
  - Are we sure this isn't Rupert creating the news again?  bushmeister0   Aug-20-10 11:04 AM   #67 
  - Fine , fire the fools and hire guys that need the job  EC   Aug-20-10 11:12 AM   #70 
  - If they can do this, they can work where ever they want...  Lagomorph   Aug-22-10 02:27 AM   #246 
  - "grass roots"  Turbineguy   Aug-20-10 11:20 AM   #72 
  - and if his union overrules him and decides to work on the site  Blue_Tires   Aug-20-10 11:39 AM   #74 
  - The union will do extactly that  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-20-10 12:26 PM   #87 
  - Growing number thanks to Fox propaganda and other M$M echoing. nt  valerief   Aug-20-10 11:58 AM   #78 
  - Two blocks away from WTC site is not sacred ground  IndianaGreen   Aug-20-10 12:00 PM   #79 
  - Technically the WTC site is the scene of a horrific crime.  Hansel   Aug-21-10 04:18 PM   #241 
  - These are the same people who put up a giant inflatable rat outside any non-union construction site.  KamaAina   Aug-20-10 12:00 PM   #80 
  - IGNORANCE & BIGOTRY on Display. n/t  nyc 4 Biden   Aug-20-10 12:05 PM   #82 
  - It's their choice  Sherman A1   Aug-20-10 12:25 PM   #86 
  - I'm going with this.  Hansel   Aug-21-10 04:19 PM   #242 
  - Ignorant fools on display. n/t  Jefferson23   Aug-20-10 12:26 PM   #88 
  - The story title should read:  savalez   Aug-20-10 12:42 PM   #90 
  - Wonder if these boys would have built a German Lutheran Church  jwirr   Aug-20-10 01:25 PM   #92 
  - And some pharmacists won't dispense birth control  jberryhill   Aug-20-10 01:32 PM   #94 
  - Becoming?  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 04:58 PM   #186 
  - Just watched the "leader"  polmaven   Aug-20-10 02:15 PM   #99 
  - I saw heard that guy and thought  madmax   Aug-21-10 12:48 AM   #212 
     - I had the same thought.  polmaven   Aug-21-10 06:38 AM   #219 
  - Some Construction Workers Refuse To Build Mosque  sabra   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #108 
  - Sacrilege?  DavidDvorkin   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #109 
  - IF they do not want the work give it to someone who does. This BS has to stop  Vincardog   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #110 
  - "Without us this sacrilige cannot be built." *edit*  Deep13   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #111 
  - Agree  NoNothing   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #112 
  - Where can we donate?  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #161 
  - If you're working for a construction co and they send you to  SPedigrees   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #118 
  - Not as simple as that.  John Kerry VonErich   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #124 
  - LOL. Not in NYC. Unions control the construction sector there.  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #133 
  - Yet, Rudy Giuliani said he was sure they could find someone to build it and he should know.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #159 
  - These are union guys, so I'm not sure how easy it is to just fire them...  Deep13   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #136 
  - Of course it's "not working." The building doesn't exist yet.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #156 
  - Really? In what way was Howard Dean being bigotted? nt  Deep13   Aug-20-10 03:52 PM   #171 
  - Fuck Howard Dean. The perception and purpose was perverted by the hate-mongers.  The Stranger   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #162 
     - Bullshit.  Deep13   Aug-20-10 04:00 PM   #172 
        - Horseshit.  The Stranger   Aug-20-10 05:05 PM   #187 
  - Funny how some people are told that it's "bad," and they instantly believe it.  chrisa   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #113 
  - If so, t hen about 20% of DU or more must be watching Fox, along with Dean and Reid.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #158 
  - Looks to me like that guy is a Company Super not a Union Rep. What a sham. nt  Snotcicles   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #114 
  - Even so  John Kerry VonErich   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #126 
  - Typically supervisors are management, not part of the bargaining unit.nt  Snotcicles   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #143 
  - "Andy Sullivan, a field super for A big union construction outfit"  Snotcicles   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #144 
  - I am so ashamed of my country.  bowens43   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #115 
  - We also suffer from Panphobia!  sasquuatch55   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #120 
  - really?  Deep13   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #138 
  - Recognizing someone has a legal right to religion...  Deep13   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #137 
  - then those bigots won't be hired. simple as that.  Aramchek   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #116 
  - Union rules may come into play  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #127 
     - The Union doesn't allow bigotry, either. I'm sure they'll be able to find someone to fill the job.  Aramchek   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #128 
     - Errr...given the history of some of them, I would not be so sure. However you are right that a way  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #129 
     - So Unions Are Historically Bigots  jberryhill   Aug-20-10 05:11 PM   #191 
        - Some unions do have that in their past, mostly racial. I don't know of any today  ProgressiveProfessor   Aug-21-10 01:26 PM   #238 
     - Do you know the history of construction unions in New York City?  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #134 
     - My point is, the construction will proceed with or without these workers  Aramchek   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #147 
        - And your point is wrong.  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #148 
           - then they'll get their asses sued. and they'll lose. then they'll have to build it.  Aramchek   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #149 
              - Under what legal theory will they be sued?  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #151 
              - do you really think they won't be able to find a contractor to do th job?  Aramchek   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #153 
              - First I think it is irrelevant whether someone "wants the job done"  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #155 
                 - and yet, it will be built. and it will be evidence of the power of the Constitution  Aramchek   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #160 
                 - I am a realist not an idealist but good luck with that belief.  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:36 PM   #167 
                 - Wanna bet this bs will help fundraising? I'll donate now. Probably wouldn't have last month.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #165 
              - No, but you also can't block a project........  Amaril   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #154 
                 - Refusing to work on a project and encouraging others not to do it is not blocking a project.  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #157 
                    - Are you assuming every construction worker is an independent contractor?  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #166 
                       - That doesn't happen in NYC.  seattleblue   Aug-20-10 03:39 PM   #169 
              - LOL  MikeW   Aug-20-10 03:40 PM   #170 
     - I wonder how many of their members are Muslims?  LiberalFighter   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #146 
     - Really?  burnsei sensei   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #152 
     - Do those unions allow Muslims to join?  jberryhill   Aug-20-10 05:10 PM   #190 
        - As you know, unions, have a long history of  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 05:24 PM   #193 
  - No problem. More H1Bs, please? nt  valerief   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #117 
  - They could use the H-2 Visa program for workers  Rod85   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #119 
  - Once again, people are working against their own interests (a paying job)  drm604   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #121 
  - Let's say a group of Christians hijack planes, run them into buildings and kill  superconnected   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #122 
  - a NYT article about Imam Feisal and his plan for the center written before the crazy hate campaign  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #141 
  - I'm not against the Mosque. I still think they're a bit tactless for building it there even with  superconnected   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #145 
     - Anyone who can't distinguish--sharply--between Al Qaeeda and Muslims should sit  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 05:15 PM   #192 
  - Let's say a group of Christians, dressed in white robes with hoods  Bandit   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #150 
  - RW Christian Holy Warrior Tim McVeigh? nt.  Warren Stupidity   Aug-21-10 07:36 AM   #224 
  - The stated reasons for the 9/11 attacks.  ronnie624   Aug-21-10 12:08 PM   #235 
  - A job is a job....corporations at work...  movonne   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #123 
  - OK so they will hire workers from New Jersey.  Loudmxr   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #125 
  - I know how to quell this brouhaha  izquierdista   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #130 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #131 
  - This is so sad.  BonnieJW   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #132 
  - I'm considering that it's due the Right Wing attack on education.  superconnected   Aug-20-10 03:29 PM   #135 
     - The same would apply to St. Nicholas church which is also not being built.  Lightning Count   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #139 
     - St Nicholas is not being build bc it's demanding too much from Port  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 06:19 PM   #200 
        - No, they won't let them rebuild it in the original location.  Lightning Count   Aug-21-10 12:39 PM   #237 
     - Civics is irrelevant to bigots.  No Elephants   Aug-20-10 06:29 PM   #201 
  - Oh look....job openings!  EmilyKent   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #140 
  - Ignorant  bluestateboomer   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #142 
  - Take A Look Around ...... The Terrorists Have Won  Angry Dragon   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #163 
  - They don't want to work?  cyr330   Aug-20-10 03:30 PM   #164 
  - Two fucking blocks away is sacred ground??  Dappleganger   Aug-20-10 04:27 PM   #176 
  - what exactly does that mean anyway?  Warren Stupidity   Aug-21-10 10:23 AM   #233 
  - The job market is tight. . .  cyr330   Aug-20-10 04:49 PM   #183 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-20-10 05:31 PM   #194 
  - David Kaiser says "Get a brain you A-rab morans!"  Yeahyeah   Aug-20-10 05:52 PM   #197 
  - Heres the "Hard Hat Pledge" site. It's disgusting...  Violet_Crumble   Aug-20-10 06:31 PM   #202 
  - "U.S. policy being responsible for 9/11"  pettypace   Aug-20-10 10:08 PM   #204 
  - The hardhats can eat my shorts- fascist mutherfeckers  CLANG   Aug-20-10 10:50 PM   #205 
  - good for them  citizen snips   Aug-20-10 11:04 PM   #207 
  - The repukes and their message framing are winning this one.  BrklynLiberal   Aug-21-10 12:14 AM   #210 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-21-10 01:04 AM   #214 
  - When the left abandons the working class, the right wing tears us apart.  readmoreoften   Aug-21-10 01:13 AM   #215 
  - With 9.5% unemployment they have no clout  bluestateguy   Aug-21-10 04:02 AM   #217 
  - Sacred ground?  bitchkitty   Aug-21-10 12:20 PM   #236 
  - Hmmmmm.....  Lagomorph   Aug-22-10 01:51 AM   #245 
  - Gee, and it's a shame that there are probably NO Muslim construction workers.  6000eliot   Aug-22-10 05:13 AM   #247 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-22-10 09:43 AM   #250 
  - What It Means To Be An American - Have You Forgotten? an old black and white video  Douglas Carpenter   Aug-22-10 10:22 AM   #251 
  - that's far from decided  CreekDog   Aug-22-10 12:24 PM   #253 
  - Why is it so important to you that this get built?  lumberjack_jeff   Aug-22-10 09:50 PM   #254 

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