Lydia Leftcoast
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Tue Aug-10-10 12:18 AM
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| 65. Not "massive" amounts of soy |
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Soy has been part of East Asian diets for thousands of years, and we can assume that people who tolerate and utilize soy well have an evolutionary advantage there. Even so, they eat only limited amounts of unfermented soy.
An American infant fed on soy formula ingests far more unfermented soy than the typical Asian adult. An American vegan who drinks soy smoothies, eats soy hot dogs and soy cheese, and chomps on edamame as a snack is ingesting far more unfermented soy than the typical Asian.
I'm of European descent, and I found that I could not tolerate even a daily soy smoothie for more than a few weeks before I developed a sensitivity. The stuff gave me indigestion and caused all my mucus membranes to itch. No, it was not in my head, because I got the reaction even if I didn't know that soy was in a particular food or drink.
I didn't eat or drink any soy for about a year, and than I needed to go to Japan. I wondered what would happen when I encountered Japanese food, but I was fine. I ate miso soup (one teaspoon or tablespoon of miso in fish broth with a few squares of tofu floating in it) daily with no problems. Japanese cooks use soy sauce, but they don't drench the food in it, so again, no problem. I don't like natto, but that's fermented. Soy milk drinks are available in Japanese stores, but they don't seem to be a huge part of anyone's diet, since I've seen them only in "juice box" sized containers.
I spent 5 weeks in China twenty years ago, and we had a tofu-based meal ONCE. Again, soy sauce was a condiment, but it was sprinkled rather than poured.
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| -Study: Age that girls hit puberty keeps dropping |
theHandpuppet |
Aug-09-10 08:41 AM |
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And chemicals causing boys to become feminized |
SpiralHawk |
Aug-09-10 08:43 AM |
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I think that some of it has to do with milk |
MARALE |
Aug-09-10 08:47 AM |
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See my post below--It's probably not milk per se |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-09-10 10:08 AM |
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I think it's the soy in EVERYTHING. |
BonnieJW |
Aug-09-10 10:23 AM |
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But East Asians have been eating (and drinking) massive amounts of soy |
wickerwoman |
Aug-09-10 05:28 PM |
#56 |
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Not "massive" amounts of soy |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-10-10 12:18 AM |
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YMMV. |
wickerwoman |
Aug-10-10 02:14 AM |
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There may be something harmful about large amounts of soy in infancy |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-10-10 09:45 AM |
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Right |
marions ghost |
Aug-10-10 06:56 PM |
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You are 100% correct! The same hormones that make cows produce milk longer, |
DailyGrind51 |
Aug-09-10 10:09 AM |
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Doubtful for the same reason that you receive no immuno-benefit from cow's milk. nt |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 02:55 PM |
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I think you're on to something there. I know a lot of milk drinkers will deny it but I've |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 10:34 AM |
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Name removed |
Aug-09-10 10:14 AM |
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Girl Power! |
Evasporque |
Aug-09-10 10:27 AM |
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And girls should be more feminine too. |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 10:36 AM |
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Ahhh.... the "zero sum" trap. |
LanternWaste |
Aug-09-10 01:56 PM |
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Give me a break. |
undeterred |
Aug-09-10 05:52 PM |
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Or maybe they should be more masculine. |
Lightning Count |
Aug-10-10 11:16 AM |
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I'm not opposed to the femination of boys either - ala The book Gate to Womens Country |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 10:36 AM |
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I'd like to point out that all those hormones that cause this shift |
Veilex |
Aug-09-10 12:41 PM |
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This is a really sexist post |
XemaSab |
Aug-09-10 02:12 PM |
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Boys who play with dolls/tea sets are practicing to be contributing parents. |
uppityperson |
Aug-09-10 11:05 AM |
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they say this about "lavender" scented baby shampoo and other lavender stuff. |
cbdo2007 |
Aug-09-10 01:14 PM |
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Eat clean food |
SpiralHawk |
Aug-09-10 08:46 AM |
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Don't forget all the household stuff. |
uberblonde |
Aug-09-10 09:01 AM |
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Do you know how hard it is even to eat food without GMO's now a days since they |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 10:42 AM |
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Like to see a complete study ! |
NikRik |
Aug-09-10 09:08 AM |
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yes, man made hormones are in everything - meat, fish, water |
ensho |
Aug-09-10 09:48 AM |
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Could be environmental/media induced. |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 09:53 AM |
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Hmm |
Johonny |
Aug-09-10 10:12 AM |
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Exactly right. |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 10:13 AM |
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Kids drank more milk and fewer soft drinks and juices in my day. Maybe it's |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-09-10 10:06 AM |
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i remember once reading an article about men becoming sterile |
iamthebandfanman |
Aug-09-10 10:16 AM |
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Actually, this trend has been happening for about 100 years. |
TheWraith |
Aug-09-10 10:19 AM |
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it's obesity. that's what the today show said this morning. |
ejpoeta |
Aug-09-10 10:33 AM |
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Possibly. Fat does result in hormone changes. |
TheWraith |
Aug-09-10 10:40 AM |
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yes body weight (fat) is a factor in the onset of puberty |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Aug-09-10 05:03 PM |
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You can re-watch the story here as reported from NBC Nightly News |
alp227 |
Aug-09-10 07:50 PM |
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Not quite. From the article: |
Lorien |
Aug-09-10 12:03 PM |
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What's your excuse for the mass increase in the last decade? |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 02:01 PM |
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BGH |
L0oniX |
Aug-09-10 11:07 AM |
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re: BGH |
BadgerKid |
Aug-09-10 11:54 AM |
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Ah well they also say that aspartame and sucralose are safe too. |
L0oniX |
Aug-09-10 12:22 PM |
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Pasteurization is the difference. nt |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 12:57 PM |
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Plus - since that makes cows fatter, I bet it makes humans fatter too. |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 05:12 PM |
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Soy, bisphenol A, and maybe other hormone disruptors. nt |
valerief |
Aug-09-10 11:23 AM |
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Sodium Laurel Sufate among them, which is in damn near every cleanser |
Lorien |
Aug-09-10 12:01 PM |
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Yeah! That's every-friggin-where. nt |
valerief |
Aug-09-10 12:05 PM |
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It's probably due to some combination of many of the causes mentioned in this thread. |
gauguin57 |
Aug-09-10 11:35 AM |
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I quit climbing trees and being a tomboy when I started my period, I was 12. |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 05:16 PM |
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Ah...I see "Duh!" Magazine has a new issue out. |
Roland99 |
Aug-09-10 11:45 AM |
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Wow - breasts on 7 year olds - this is scary. |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 12:59 PM |
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Genetics, diet, power of suggestion? |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 01:25 PM |
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Not genetics - not with that much difference in 10 years. Hormones in milk most likely. |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 01:28 PM |
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So Black girls drink that much more milk than White girls? |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 01:35 PM |
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Genetics do NOT kick in, in 10 years. That's not even close to a generation. |
superconnected |
Aug-09-10 01:51 PM |
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"Genetics do NOT kick in, in 10 years" |
Lightning Count |
Aug-09-10 02:32 PM |
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No, but African American parents |
wickerwoman |
Aug-09-10 05:39 PM |
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And . . . more MALES are developing breasts . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-10 04:49 PM |
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anecdotal... |
FirstLight |
Aug-09-10 04:27 PM |
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I started when I was 10 (in 1990) |
tammywammy |
Aug-09-10 09:44 PM |
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another theory |
greymattermom |
Aug-09-10 04:39 PM |
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Pollution of planet and our foods -- hormones and chemicals in animal-eating .... |
defendandprotect |
Aug-09-10 04:48 PM |
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Exposure to more light = hormonal changes |
mainer |
Aug-09-10 05:06 PM |
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for boys is this the case? |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Aug-09-10 05:15 PM |
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For boys, there's nothing equivalent to menarche |
mainer |
Aug-09-10 06:32 PM |
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actually Tanners Stages in boys |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Aug-09-10 06:43 PM |
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No comments on exercise? Based on other reports the main factor. |
happyslug |
Aug-09-10 10:05 PM |
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One thing not mentioned so far is "sexual abuse" by the media. |
Salander |
Aug-09-10 10:21 PM |
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That may be so, but there was a lot of sexual abuse going on in the past. |
raccoon |
Aug-10-10 06:26 AM |
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I'm talking about media porn-- hard and soft |
Salander |
Aug-10-10 11:05 AM |
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