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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-27-04 11:06 AM
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14. Why would Kerry do that?
He wants to put 40K more troops there!

He is, I believe, what you would call a "nuanced" warmonger. :mad:
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  -West Virginia Senator on Iraq: "My Vote Was Wrong." mobuto  Mar-27-04 10:37 AM   #0 
  - wow  newsguyatl   Mar-27-04 10:42 AM   #1 
  - Why would Kerry do that?  Pastiche423   Mar-27-04 11:06 AM   #14 
  - So now that shrub has made the mess, Kerry is supposed to just walk away  murielm99   Mar-27-04 12:42 PM   #42 
  - What clue might that be?  Pastiche423   Mar-27-04 01:31 PM   #66 
  - Get a clue - Iraq is the new Viet Nam.  Zhade   Mar-27-04 02:32 PM   #90 
  - murielm99, I believe the...  0007   Mar-28-04 06:00 AM   #139 
  - He could involve the UN  Classical_Liberal   Mar-28-04 06:39 PM   #157 
  - I'm curious why you repeat that lie  Dookus   Mar-27-04 01:48 PM   #74 
  - Add or replace  Pastiche423   Mar-27-04 02:14 PM   #84 
     - what does it matter?  Dookus   Mar-27-04 03:01 PM   #98 
  - Another nuance  Layman   Mar-28-04 03:21 AM   #132 
  - If you are correct. I will still vote for him. While holding my nose.  wildwww2   Mar-28-04 05:16 PM   #154 
  - I agree. I wish Kerry would have a bit of mea culpa bout this whole thing  mzmolly   Mar-27-04 01:48 PM   #73 
  - post this in general discussion.  newsguyatl   Mar-27-04 10:44 AM   #2 
  - The scandal is ratcheting up  ChompySnack   Mar-27-04 10:44 AM   #3 
  - it's a bit late dumbass  treepig   Mar-27-04 10:47 AM   #4 
  - No no, he's a politician!  yardwork   Mar-27-04 01:18 PM   #55 
     - I know few politicians who demonstrate unfettered courage,...  Just Me   Mar-27-04 01:23 PM   #60 
     - Agreed...  rednek_Liberal   Mar-28-04 11:05 PM   #161 
  - I have a hard time with this. A Rockefeller who doesn't know the ME?  KoKo01   Mar-27-04 10:49 AM   #5 
  - By all means...  sadiesworld   Mar-27-04 10:55 AM   #9 
  - you don't think that the bush enablers are a real problem??  treepig   Mar-27-04 10:58 AM   #11 
  - No, my point was that Rockefeller had to have known. He should have  KoKo01   Mar-27-04 01:07 PM   #50 
  - See my comments above. It's all politics. Reelection politics.  yardwork   Mar-27-04 01:19 PM   #56 
  - i agree he knew  treepig   Mar-27-04 01:22 PM   #59 
  - Good point regarding Byrd.  Zhade   Mar-27-04 02:36 PM   #94 
  - No personal offense, but,...you are in denial about that game,...  Just Me   Mar-27-04 03:02 PM   #100 
  - You're right, let's just vote for Bush b/c we KNOW HE'S EVIL.  sadiesworld   Mar-27-04 02:35 PM   #93 
     - i'm glad you agree!  treepig   Mar-27-04 03:23 PM   #106 
  - I, too, wonder what the f--- took him so long, but hey, redemption is  calimary   Mar-27-04 01:23 PM   #62 
  - Bush is even more ignorant than Rockefeller just admitted  Classical_Liberal   Mar-28-04 06:41 PM   #158 
  - finally.  GloriaSmith   Mar-27-04 10:49 AM   #6 
  - It's hard to believe they were really fooled  boobooday   Mar-27-04 10:54 AM   #7 
  - It's hard to believe that 3/4 of the country was fooled,  FlaGranny   Mar-27-04 03:28 PM   #108 
     - How many politicians  PaDUer   Mar-27-04 05:15 PM   #122 
  - We need his resignation not his regrets.  Barkley   Mar-27-04 10:54 AM   #8 
  - Don't be ridiculous  mobuto   Mar-27-04 10:56 AM   #10 
  - These guys voted for the IWR knowing it was wrong and  Barkley   Mar-28-04 03:21 PM   #152 
  - Agreed his senior Senator was the most opposed to this  underpants   Mar-27-04 11:02 AM   #13 
  - They  ezee   Mar-27-04 11:13 AM   #16 
     - The Medicare bill is another perfect example  underpants   Mar-27-04 11:33 AM   #18 
     - Yeah! Welcome to DU!  calimary   Mar-27-04 01:26 PM   #64 
  - And replace him with what?  aquart   Mar-27-04 12:00 PM   # 
  - Lets dont and say we did....  Dr Fate   Mar-28-04 05:55 PM   #156 
  - You SHOULD HAVE known then what you know now, we did.  leesa   Mar-27-04 10:59 AM   #12 
  - The Rats  ezee   Mar-27-04 11:09 AM   #15 
     - The Democratic ship is taking on water?  aquart   Mar-27-04 12:03 PM   #31 
  - I find it hard to believe they did not know their vote was wrong  Skittles   Mar-27-04 11:27 AM   #17 
  - I think the problem is that we knew they were wrong  Jackpine Radical   Mar-27-04 11:37 AM   #19 
  - the stolen election should have been their first clue  Skittles   Mar-27-04 11:51 AM   #25 
  - Agree Skittles and Jackpine. tried to say that above and got flamed.  KoKo01   Mar-27-04 01:09 PM   #52 
  - people who supported the war have blood on their hands  Skittles   Mar-27-04 01:10 PM   #53 
  - Well, some people don't like uncomfortable truths.  Zhade   Mar-27-04 02:54 PM   #97 
     - you nail it, Zhade  Skittles   Mar-27-04 03:26 PM   #107 
  - Second clue -  2cents   Mar-27-04 02:14 PM   #85 
  - You also must remember the mind control games the republi-CONS  calimary   Mar-27-04 01:43 PM   #71 
  - Bravo! You are absolutely right! I remember it well.  yardwork   Mar-27-04 02:32 PM   #91 
  - Waxman is my Rep, too.  Zhade   Mar-27-04 03:08 PM   #102 
  - Now there's a telling quote!  Zhade   Mar-27-04 02:45 PM   #95 
  - Hey, Skittles  lazarus   Mar-27-04 11:40 AM   #22 
  - you know it Laz  Skittles   Mar-27-04 11:53 AM   #27 
  - Wrong Vote People  goclark   Mar-27-04 11:50 AM   #24 
     - Aw, MAN! I remember that. I, too, was a little un-nerved.  calimary   Mar-27-04 01:49 PM   #77 
        - But Powell has ALWAYS been a Republican lapdog.  Zhade   Mar-27-04 03:17 PM   #104 
  - Good work, folks. Berate people who have seen the light.  WillyBrandt   Mar-27-04 11:38 AM   #20 
  - I absolutely disagree  Skittles   Mar-27-04 11:55 AM   #28 
  - That's false  WillyBrandt   Mar-27-04 12:04 PM   #32 
  - they must have know it was a packof lies in nov02  treepig   Mar-27-04 12:10 PM   #33 
  - that's false  Skittles   Mar-27-04 12:51 PM   #47 
  - ...and if memory serves.....the White House and Congress were inundated  Dover   Mar-27-04 12:24 PM   #36 
  - There was never a case for war.  Zhade   Mar-27-04 03:30 PM   #110 
  - Some of the posts to this thread have my BS meter pegged  NNN0LHI   Mar-27-04 11:40 AM   #21 
  - that is why I think Kerry should do the same thing as Rockefeller  frank frankly   Mar-27-04 11:44 AM   #23 
  - I always knew it was bullshit  Skittles   Mar-27-04 12:00 PM   #30 
  - Do you mean bullshit as in there was nothing worth going to war over...  NNN0LHI   Mar-27-04 12:22 PM   #35 
     - I said it didn't matter  Skittles   Mar-27-04 12:49 PM   #45 
     - But it did matter after all. It now appears the Bush cherry picked...  NNN0LHI   Mar-27-04 01:00 PM   #48 
        - what they SAID and what they DID  Skittles   Mar-27-04 01:09 PM   #51 
        - Mike Ruppert's theory  Sophree   Mar-28-04 02:58 AM   #129 
     - Good point, Don  lazarus   Mar-27-04 01:05 PM   #49 
  - M y question is this  jamesinca   Mar-27-04 12:18 PM   #34 
  - "Most everyone did"  Pastiche423   Mar-27-04 12:27 PM   #37 
  - Show me one of your posts where you say there are WMDs in Iraq...  NNN0LHI   Mar-27-04 12:34 PM   #39 
  - How convenient for you that the archives are not searchable  Pastiche423   Mar-27-04 01:25 PM   #63 
  - As I recall  WhereIsMyFreedom   Mar-27-04 01:41 PM   #70 
  - They're all clairvoyants  sandnsea   Mar-27-04 12:29 PM   #38 
  - General Hussein Kamal - what an arrogant asshole!  treepig   Mar-27-04 12:41 PM   #41 
     - Like I said  sandnsea   Mar-27-04 12:49 PM   #46 
        - a complete lack of critical thinking  treepig   Mar-27-04 01:13 PM   #54 
           - Yes, exactly  sandnsea   Mar-27-04 01:19 PM   #57 
           - but it turns out that i did know  treepig   Mar-27-04 01:35 PM   #67 
              - No, it turns out that you were right  WhereIsMyFreedom   Mar-27-04 01:47 PM   #72 
              - the evidence was overwhelming  treepig   Mar-27-04 02:03 PM   #79 
                 - Nonsense  mobuto   Mar-27-04 02:33 PM   #92 
                    - really?  treepig   Mar-27-04 03:30 PM   #109 
                       - My point is that  mobuto   Mar-27-04 03:43 PM   #114 
              - I read them too  sandnsea   Mar-27-04 03:12 PM   #103 
                 - a bit sensitive  treepig   Mar-27-04 03:40 PM   #113 
                    - Oh, take Saddam's word  sandnsea   Mar-27-04 05:05 PM   #120 
                       - well, it turns out he was the one telling the truth  treepig   Mar-27-04 08:45 PM   #124 
                          - No, YOU did it  sandnsea   Mar-28-04 02:08 AM   #127 
                             - my point was that you were telling untruths about the situation  treepig   Mar-28-04 06:27 AM   #140 
           - You speak of a complete lack of critical thinking  mobuto   Mar-27-04 01:23 PM   #61 
              - did i say anything about 50 million frenchmen?  treepig   Mar-27-04 01:40 PM   #69 
                 - French-bashing?  mobuto   Mar-27-04 01:48 PM   #75 
                    - have you heard of consensus?  treepig   Mar-27-04 02:00 PM   #78 
                       - Bullshit  mobuto   Mar-27-04 02:07 PM   #82 
                          - sure, be condescending about the collective wisdom of billions of people  treepig   Mar-27-04 03:21 PM   #105 
                             - Again, you appeal to popularity  mobuto   Mar-27-04 03:38 PM   #112 
                                - egad  treepig   Mar-27-04 03:56 PM   #117 
                                   - Its the process that's being compared  mobuto   Mar-27-04 08:49 PM   #125 
                                      - but when the "experts" are a bunch of stooges or fools  treepig   Mar-28-04 08:20 AM   #142 
  - the UN inspectors went into Iraq and found nothing  jmcgowanjm   Mar-27-04 01:30 PM   #65 
  - It has never been about "banned weapons"  TahitiNut   Mar-27-04 02:27 PM   #88 
  - I didn't believe Saddam Hussein had WMD before we went into Iraq  0007   Mar-28-04 06:35 AM   #141 
  - It wouldn't have mattered even if Hussein DID have WMDs!  Zhade   Mar-28-04 03:42 AM   #133 
     - Especially when you openly call it "Shock & Awe."  Sophree   Mar-28-04 03:53 AM   #134 
        - Fair enough. I'll amend it to say "terrorism happens in all war".  Zhade   Mar-28-04 04:04 AM   #136 
           - absolutely  Sophree   Mar-28-04 04:20 AM   #137 
  - "the Democratic-led Senate"????????  kstewart33   Mar-27-04 11:52 AM   #26 
  - Actually, that's technically correct  mobuto   Mar-27-04 11:57 AM   #29 
  - As I recall, Bush* had the votes in the Senate wrapped up.  keopeli   Mar-27-04 12:36 PM   #40 
  - keo, I agree with you.  yardwork   Mar-27-04 01:38 PM   #68 
  - Wellstone died AFTER the vote  ButterflyBlood   Mar-27-04 05:59 PM   #123 
  - Why did Dems continue to vote to funnel billions into the Pentagon budget  Dover   Mar-27-04 12:43 PM   #43 
  - WP headline: Clarke book reignites Iraq debate  JoFerret   Mar-27-04 12:43 PM   #44 
  - Snip from that article:  calimary   Mar-27-04 02:28 PM   #89 
  - Too late for 600 Americans and me.  sleipnir   Mar-27-04 01:20 PM   #58 
  - I would venture to guess many of the senate feels this way today.  mzmolly   Mar-27-04 01:48 PM   #76 
  - SenJohn D. Rockefeller IV-Senate Floor-Iraq Resolution  jmcgowanjm   Mar-27-04 02:05 PM   #80 
  - Rockefeller didn't know what was going on  mobuto   Mar-27-04 02:09 PM   #83 
  - I was about to say I agree w/ you Mobuto  jmcgowanjm   Mar-27-04 02:46 PM   #96 
     - Rockefeller may be rich  mobuto   Mar-27-04 08:51 PM   #126 
        - I don't get it Mobuto  NNN0LHI   Mar-28-04 08:39 AM   #143 
        - yes, Rockefeller was doing a CYA manuever  jmcgowanjm   Mar-28-04 09:04 AM   #144 
  - Headlines from October2002- commondreams  jmcgowanjm   Mar-27-04 02:14 PM   #86 
  - Jeez, Jay the Wimpazoid  Carolina   Mar-27-04 02:05 PM   #81 
  - Roger that!  KeepItReal   Mar-27-04 03:07 PM   #101 
  - I knew. Why didn't he?  hackwriter   Mar-27-04 02:23 PM   #87 
  - geez  Tommy   Mar-27-04 03:01 PM   #99 
  - Google: Rockefeller+Conspiracy/ Only Duponts, Kennedys  jmcgowanjm   Mar-27-04 03:46 PM   #116 
     - Ah, but since Rockefeller Conspiracy  mobuto   Mar-27-04 03:59 PM   #118 
        - No, that would be the Rothschild Conspiracy-12,100 hits  jmcgowanjm   Mar-28-04 09:27 AM   #145 
  - Thank you, Jay  remfan   Mar-27-04 03:38 PM   #111 
  - Here's another "Thank You"  LiviaOlivia   Mar-27-04 03:45 PM   #115 
  - Good for him  wryter2000   Mar-27-04 04:32 PM   #119 
  - Senator Dianne Feinstein Has Already Said The Same Thing.  David Zephyr   Mar-27-04 05:12 PM   #121 
  - Honestly  Sophree   Mar-28-04 03:20 AM   #131 
  - If WE knew...why were THEY fooled??  SoCalDem   Mar-28-04 02:54 AM   #128 
  - Ive often asked myself that same question.  Sophree   Mar-28-04 03:15 AM   #130 
  - More on Sen. Rockefeller  Sophree   Mar-28-04 04:01 AM   #135 
  - Good, and this-timeline of CheneyNigerWilsonSOTU  jmcgowanjm   Mar-28-04 10:16 AM   #146 
  - More on the Neocons being reined in  Sophree   Mar-28-04 04:22 AM   #138 
  - Kerry, Clinton, Dashle (not sure about Shurmer, Edwards) say that we  higher class   Mar-28-04 12:45 PM   #147 
  - All those finger-in-the-wind Senators and Congresspeople are sorry  higher class   Mar-28-04 12:50 PM   #148 
  - Well, it *is* their job to represent their constituency...  Ravy   Mar-28-04 01:11 PM   #149 
     - I see you have only posted about 145 messages. Perhaps  higher class   Mar-28-04 04:49 PM   #153 
        - There's Something To Be Said For Representation  LoneStarLiberal   Mar-28-04 05:37 PM   #155 
           - Sorry, you made a good case, but I just can't bare the killings  higher class   Mar-28-04 06:42 PM   #159 
              - Naivety and Blue Dogs  LoneStarLiberal   Mar-28-04 10:31 PM   #160 
  - Bravo!!!....The beginning of a long healing process!  goforit   Mar-28-04 01:20 PM   #150 
  - Jay, you also said last summer there was no morale problem in the army  lebkuchen   Mar-28-04 02:18 PM   #151 
 

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