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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 01:51 PM
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118. Hmmmm....
The law does not see things this way. The case did not read "Victim" vs. Polanski, it read "The State of California vs. Polanski". Whether she sees herself today as a victim or not is irrelevant. Polanski violated the criminal statues and raped a woman. Even if the intercourse was consensual, it would still be statutory rape.

This is not about vengeance, it is about justice.
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  -Switzerland won't extradite Polanski to the U.S. IDemo  Jul-12-10 07:09 AM   #0 
  - So I guess Switzerland is a great place to hide drug money and pedophiles.  marmar   Jul-12-10 07:10 AM   #1 
  - Laundering pedophiles doesn't work  pinboy3niner   Jul-12-10 07:15 AM   #2 
  - Excellent post.......  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:07 AM   #46 
  - Except this wasn't pedophilia, which is a psychiatric condition...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-12-10 07:51 AM   #12 
  - Fine....A great place for hiding men wanted for having illegal sex with minors.  marmar   Jul-12-10 07:57 AM   #14 
  - Please, keep facts out of this  Bragi   Jul-12-10 07:59 AM   #15 
  - He drugged and raped a minor -- how is being against that "self righteous?  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:17 AM   #24 
     - No-one is speaking in favour of the crime  Bragi   Jul-12-10 08:32 AM   #34 
        - You are. nt  Romulox   Jul-12-10 09:10 AM   #50 
        - When and where? /nt  Bragi   Jul-12-10 09:11 AM   #53 
           - Throughout this thread.  Romulox   Jul-12-10 09:16 AM   #59 
        - Self delete  LanternWaste   Jul-12-10 01:37 PM   #112 
  - OK........Pederast.  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:10 AM   #49 
  - I imagine for the same reason...  LanternWaste   Jul-12-10 01:38 PM   #113 
  - Tell that to the people involved with the Catholic Church Pedophilia cases.  happyslug   Jul-12-10 02:05 PM   #122 
  - Not just drug money. Corporate money and Nazi money.  onehandle   Jul-12-10 08:17 AM   #23 
     - But the US would never dirty its hands like that, huh, cowboy?  Heidi   Jul-12-10 02:15 PM   #126 
  - Just saw it live on Swiss TV.  Heidi   Jul-12-10 07:19 AM   #3 
  - Good for the Swiss  Bragi   Jul-12-10 07:22 AM   #4 
  - Sorry, no  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 07:31 AM   #5 
  - great point  davidinalameda   Jul-12-10 07:36 AM   #6 
  - Even if she was of the age of consent it was still rape. nt  SunnySong   Jul-12-10 10:29 AM   #88 
     - Since drugs were used  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 01:46 PM   #116 
     - even better point  davidinalameda   Jul-12-10 03:53 PM   #132 
  - Implying that she apparently holds no grievance at this point  Bragi   Jul-12-10 07:38 AM   #7 
  - She isn't the one bringing the charges, the State is  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:23 AM   #29 
  - That's not the actual sequence of events that happened.  TheWraith   Jul-12-10 09:42 AM   #76 
  - Show me the law that requires a judge to follow the report?  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 12:03 PM   #105 
  - Such is the peril of plea bargains  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 01:55 PM   #120 
  - Wrong place ... n/t  cosmicone   Jul-12-10 02:30 PM   #129 
  - +1  Mad_Dem_X   Jul-12-10 10:17 AM   #86 
  - Shocked me too  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 01:53 PM   #119 
  - So......  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:16 AM   #58 
  - Exactly!  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 01:58 PM   #121 
  - Hmmmm....  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 01:51 PM   #118 
  - this doesn't have anything to do with a statute of limitations.  harmonicon   Jul-12-10 08:23 AM   #28 
  - Thanks  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:17 AM   #60 
  - i thought that he was  cstanleytech   Jul-12-10 11:38 AM   #100 
  - Read the plea testimony--the judge was crystal clear.  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 12:07 PM   #106 
     - Except  cstanleytech   Jul-12-10 03:56 PM   #133 
        - Here's the bottom line  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 05:15 PM   #142 
        - Maybe, maybe not.  cstanleytech   Jul-12-10 09:50 PM   #150 
           - True, but I still hold  Kelvin Mace   Jul-13-10 07:51 AM   #154 
        - Well, I myself always trust news articles over actual court transcripts.  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 05:39 PM   #143 
           - Actually it could be argued by his lawyers that it "had"  cstanleytech   Jul-12-10 09:53 PM   #151 
  - True  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 01:45 PM   #115 
  - see there was an arrest and conviction statue of limitations never applied  grantcart   Jul-12-10 03:03 PM   #131 
     - Thanks for the clarification  Kelvin Mace   Jul-12-10 04:48 PM   #138 
  - Yes, you he can go around and rape more teenage girls.  Odin2005   Jul-12-10 07:42 AM   #9 
  - Yeah sure, that nails it  Bragi   Jul-12-10 07:48 AM   #11 
     - Your putting "victim" is scare quotes shows how much concern you have for rape victims.  Odin2005   Jul-12-10 08:00 AM   #16 
     - Yeah, right  Bragi   Jul-12-10 08:30 AM   #33 
        - LOL, out justice system is broken because we throw pot smokers in jail.  Odin2005   Jul-12-10 08:35 AM   #36 
        - No one receives "justice"  ProudDad   Jul-13-10 05:58 PM   #164 
        - I would rather be a tea bagger  The Green Manalishi   Jul-12-10 08:56 AM   #41 
        - Hear, hear Bragi...  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:10 AM   #52 
        - So what is your position???  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:24 AM   #64 
        - The rec for his "time" was probation...  Hepburn   Jul-12-10 09:49 AM   #81 
           - Show me where the judge is obliged to follow a probation report reccomendation?  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 11:57 AM   #103 
        - Calling out DU'ers as tea baggers?  Darth_Kitten   Jul-12-10 04:52 PM   #140 
     - You really need to quit putting "victim" in quotes -- she was a victim  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:24 AM   #30 
     - Agreed  Bragi   Jul-12-10 09:10 AM   #51 
     - the guy has already been prosecuted.  harmonicon   Jul-12-10 08:25 AM   #31 
     - A "working justice system!"  Bragi   Jul-12-10 08:39 AM   #39 
     - IT IS NOT VENGEANCE.......  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:20 AM   # 
     - Your In-Quotes "VIctim" Was a Scared 13 Year Old Kid  NashVegas   Jul-12-10 10:04 AM   #85 
  - Why is "victim" in quotes -- he drugged and raped her!  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:20 AM   #26 
  - Why would anyone have the right?  yava   Jul-12-10 10:15 PM   #152 
     - The problem with our society  Kelvin Mace   Jul-13-10 08:06 AM   #155 
  - "this ancient demeanor"? You must've meant "ancient MISdemeanor", but that, too, is wrong.  Romulox   Jul-12-10 09:05 AM   #44 
  - Couldn't agree more, Bragi, even though  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:07 AM   #45 
  - Right, it's only a raped and sodomized girl.  Darth_Kitten   Jul-12-10 04:55 PM   #141 
  - WHAT ???  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:13 AM   #56 
  - Absolutely. He did ply a 13-year old girl with champagne and Qualudes and anally rape her  Nye Bevan   Jul-12-10 09:38 AM   #72 
  - Yes, we need to remember that. : )  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:43 AM   #77 
  - What is the precise and relevant amount of time after a rape one should "move on?  LanternWaste   Jul-12-10 01:40 PM   #114 
  - Something illegal took place...time doesn't make it vanish n.t  TK421   Jul-12-10 04:41 PM   #137 
  - Let's hear it for child rape?  Darth_Kitten   Jul-12-10 04:51 PM   #139 
  - Yeah, child-rape is soooo not a big deal.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 06:35 PM   #145 
  - BOO on Switzerland!  Odin2005   Jul-12-10 07:41 AM   #8 
  - 'The Justice Ministry also said that NATIONAL INTERESTS were taken into consideration...'  onehandle   Jul-12-10 07:48 AM   #10 
  - Here's a possibility  Bragi   Jul-12-10 07:55 AM   #13 
  - Ah, yes, punishing rapists is so cruel, isn't it? /sarcasm  Odin2005   Jul-12-10 08:00 AM   #17 
  - That's not what they said. nt  onehandle   Jul-12-10 08:01 AM   #18 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:08 AM   #47 
  - I don't agree with this decision; however, if some good can come of it,  closeupready   Jul-12-10 09:18 AM   #62 
  - I've seen enough of your anti-Switzerland screeds to take your  Heidi   Jul-12-10 08:03 AM   #19 
  - Switzerland is the world HQ for money-laundering, Nazi gold, and child molesters.  Romulox   Jul-12-10 09:09 AM   #48 
     - I do not for a moment doubt the parts about money-laundering and Nazi gold.  Heidi   Jul-12-10 09:17 AM   #61 
        - As a next door neighbor (in France)  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:49 AM   #80 
           - Harboring a racist who fled after a guilty verdict  DatManFromNawlins   Jul-12-10 10:45 AM   #90 
           - See post N 35 to get some perspective on  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 11:05 AM   #95 
           - French, are you? Ira Einhorn eliminated any moral superiority  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 11:46 AM   #101 
  - " The Swiss are all about the Swiss. Nobody else counts."  depakid   Jul-12-10 08:06 AM   #20 
     - Exactly. (nt)  Heidi   Jul-12-10 08:07 AM   #21 
  - I don't understand  Bitwit1234   Jul-12-10 08:11 AM   #22 
  - Because he was found guilty  revolution breeze   Jul-12-10 08:19 AM   #25 
  - Because he was sentenced, and then fled  LostinVA   Jul-12-10 08:28 AM   #32 
  - I wouldn't send a dog to a U.S prison  Bragi   Jul-12-10 08:36 AM   #37 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:12 AM   #54 
     - So....you would not send a serial killer to a US prison??  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:38 AM   #73 
     - For kicks, you should read up on the extradition of Charles Ng  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 12:19 PM   #107 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 10:29 AM   #87 
     - Your experience is academic or practical?  LanternWaste   Jul-12-10 02:29 PM   #128 
  - Because some people can't let it go. The victim would rather...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-12-10 08:44 AM   #40 
  - It is JUSTICE, not rage.  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:34 AM   #69 
     - Whose justice? It's become a symbol, with a megaphone, for...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-12-10 09:59 AM   #84 
  - He pleaded guilty......  backtomn   Jul-12-10 09:30 AM   #68 
  - hey Switzerland:  melm00se   Jul-12-10 08:22 AM   #27 
  - Hey America- and Americans- if you care so much about children  depakid   Jul-12-10 09:12 AM   #55 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:26 AM   #65 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:35 AM   #70 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:39 AM   #74 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:44 AM   #78 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:48 AM   #79 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:54 AM   #83 
                    - Alert! Alert! Alert!  Romulox   Jul-12-10 04:31 PM   #135 
     - Hear, hear depakid.  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:27 AM   #66 
     - Not germane to the discussion at hand  Kelvin Mace   Jul-13-10 07:48 AM   #153 
     - And you know that the posters in favor of extradition  LanternWaste   Jul-13-10 05:46 PM   #159 
  - Americans don't want justice. They want punishment.  go west young man   Jul-12-10 08:35 AM   #35 
  - Very well said! /nt  Bragi   Jul-12-10 08:37 AM   #38 
  - .  t0dd   Jul-12-10 09:01 AM   #42 
  - What are you? Some sort of killjoy?  Heidi   Jul-12-10 09:03 AM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 09:13 AM   #57 
  - How sadly true, go west...  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:29 AM   #67 
  - Wish you'd start another thread just with this post... n/t  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:42 AM   #75 
  - Dude, it's rare posts like yours that I still read DU. Sometimes a good face-slapping really...  Poll_Blind   Jul-12-10 02:13 PM   #125 
  - So you want a child-rapist to go free?  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 06:37 PM   #146 
  - Stop making so much sense. We don't allow that here.  Vidar   Jul-13-10 03:43 PM   #157 
  - I wish I'd seem at least a modicum of objectivity in your post...  LanternWaste   Jul-13-10 05:48 PM   #160 
  - Absolutely true!!!  ProudDad   Jul-13-10 06:00 PM   #166 
  - After due consideration and even in the face of  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:20 AM   #63 
  - Hard to know where to begin  AngryAmish   Jul-12-10 09:35 AM   #71 
  - See post N 35 for rebuttal...  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 09:52 AM   #82 
     - Someone else's slurs against an entire populace aren't a rebuttal.  Heywood J   Jul-12-10 10:36 AM   #89 
        - Whatever...the Swiss have ruled,  Surya Gayatri   Jul-12-10 11:00 AM   #93 
           - Yes, the Swiss have ruled.  Heywood J   Jul-12-10 11:13 AM   #96 
           - "Whatever" the great ending to a coward's missive...  LanternWaste   Jul-13-10 05:50 PM   #162 
  - Yeah right...  The Croquist   Jul-12-10 10:51 AM   #91 
  - Horse-shit!  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 06:38 PM   #147 
  - Raping a minor should result in the punishment of living in Europe for 40 years?  LanternWaste   Jul-13-10 05:49 PM   #161 
  - Good !!!!  UndertheOcean   Jul-12-10 10:54 AM   #92 
  - A Swiss official said the US cannot appeal the decision.  dipsydoodle   Jul-12-10 11:01 AM   #94 
  - Unlike Polanski,  Heywood J   Jul-12-10 11:14 AM   #97 
     - I trust you noticed which section  dipsydoodle   Jul-12-10 11:30 AM   #99 
        - Yes. He's a director, so it would be relevant  Heywood J   Jul-12-10 02:09 PM   #124 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-12-10 11:16 AM   #98 
  - Ira Einhorn. Trust me, the French are no better. n/t  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 11:47 AM   #102 
  - Maybe they just love the law  dipsydoodle   Jul-12-10 12:58 PM   #108 
     - Paperwork held up Ira Einhorn????  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 01:08 PM   #109 
     - It something to do  dipsydoodle   Jul-12-10 01:33 PM   #111 
        - Google is your friend. n/t  msanthrope   Jul-12-10 01:47 PM   #117 
     - Easier to let another nation take the fall  Heidi   Jul-12-10 02:06 PM   #123 
        - True enough in all points.  Nihil   Jul-14-10 11:11 AM   #169 
  - disgusting.  rollin74   Jul-12-10 12:01 PM   #104 
  - You're partly right  ProudDad   Jul-13-10 06:02 PM   #167 
  - Kobe just got a fucking parade in Los Angeles.  U4ikLefty   Jul-12-10 01:12 PM   #110 
  - Read post # 35:  Poll_Blind   Jul-12-10 02:15 PM   #127 
  - Payback for UBS n/t  cosmicone   Jul-12-10 02:31 PM   #130 
  - California's got a massive budget deficit and other problems far worse than Polanski.  alp227   Jul-12-10 04:07 PM   #134 
  - So...this thread really boils down to two or three misanthropes defending rape  Romulox   Jul-12-10 04:37 PM   #136 
  - What utter shit. Justice means little to the rich and famous.  proteus_lives   Jul-12-10 06:35 PM   #144 
  - whoo hoo maybe this story can die a natural death now  pitohui   Jul-12-10 06:40 PM   #148 
  - Interesting - but is this how racism works?  howaboutme   Jul-12-10 06:41 PM   #149 
  - Wow, if I'd never heard of Polanski, and all I had to go by were some of the responses in this  JoeyT   Jul-13-10 08:21 AM   #156 
  - Anyone defending this pedophile has no business calling themselves progressive  SpartanDem   Jul-13-10 05:35 PM   #158 
  - Victim was just a girl anyways.....  Darth_Kitten   Jul-13-10 05:59 PM   #165 
  - +1,000,000,000,000,000,000  Odin2005   Jul-13-10 06:15 PM   #168 
  - WoooHooo!  ProudDad   Jul-13-10 05:54 PM   #163 
 

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