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PacerLJ35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:06 PM
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53. That could be said with regard to any large energy corporation...
What would the prospective business store owner choose now that would be free of any issues?

Exxon? Hmmm, they had a major oil spill...they've had environmental issues in the past too.

Shell? Hmmm, what about the issues in west Africa?

I could continue but you get my point. The average convenience store owner probably only knew BP from the outside in...that is, they projected a green-friendly facade. If they took the time to dig real deep, they'd probably find a pretty even record among all the companies.

Again, you're not punishing BP. You're punishing people that are only marginally related to the company. Had they all known ahead of time that BP had a lot of engineering problems and their emergency response plans were shoddy, etc, and continued to sign on with them, then I'd say you have a point. But you don't.
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  -BP Offers $70 Million in Cash to Gas Station Owners Robbien  Jun-29-10 01:43 PM   #0 
  - Very telling.  dixiegrrrrl   Jun-29-10 01:51 PM   #1 
  - BINGO! I agree. If there is nothing left in the Gulf to protect, they can drill to their heart's  BrklynLiberal   Jun-29-10 02:09 PM   #9 
  - Absofreakinglutely  Lorien   Jun-29-10 08:37 PM   #57 
  - impossible. boycotts don't work, & bp gas stations have nothing to do with bp.  Hannah Bell   Jun-29-10 01:53 PM   #2 
  - And if you don't believe that  Robbien   Jun-29-10 01:59 PM   #4 
  - huh?  nyc 4 Biden   Jun-29-10 02:00 PM   #5 
  - :)  Edweird   Jun-29-10 02:39 PM   #13 
     - oh.  nyc 4 Biden   Jun-29-10 02:52 PM   #18 
        - This is true.  Edweird   Jun-29-10 03:05 PM   #20 
  - They don't work when enough people aren't mad enough to make them work.  caseymoz   Jun-29-10 02:51 PM   #16 
  - Daughter and I were out running errands yesterday  HockeyMom   Jun-29-10 01:56 PM   #3 
  - That BP station owner then turned around and sent BP a check  Robbien   Jun-29-10 02:00 PM   #6 
  - Self delete  LanternWaste   Jun-29-10 02:15 PM   #10 
  - Maybe Nathans too  HockeyMom   Jun-29-10 02:51 PM   #17 
  - So you gave the gas money to Mr. Chavez?  pipoman   Jun-29-10 03:19 PM   #21 
  - Even the gas probably isn't BP gasoline...  PacerLJ35   Jun-29-10 07:24 PM   #41 
     - Someone will alert on you for using the "C" word ...  Nihil   Jun-30-10 06:32 AM   #59 
  - But.. but it's 'fungible' and a bunch of DU 'experts' went to a lot of trouble  Edweird   Jun-29-10 02:03 PM   #7 
  - Now You Did It!  HCE SuiGeneris   Jun-29-10 05:18 PM   #29 
     - LOL.  Edweird   Jun-29-10 08:33 PM   #56 
        - !  HCE SuiGeneris   Jun-29-10 09:27 PM   #58 
  - And so many on DU claimed such an emotional reaction  Bluenorthwest   Jun-29-10 02:06 PM   #8 
  - "waifes living by peddling Chiklets to tourists"  Kali   Jun-29-10 03:29 PM   #22 
  - I'm please to hear that the "ineffective" boycotts...  LanternWaste   Jun-29-10 02:19 PM   #11 
  - They got that $70 million by selling oil to another oil company to refine  hack89   Jun-29-10 02:36 PM   #12 
     - One drop in the bucket can capsize a boat...  LanternWaste   Jun-29-10 02:40 PM   #14 
     - $70 million represents one day's profit for BP  hack89   Jun-29-10 03:50 PM   #24 
        - Then we gave them a bad day. Let's work to give them two.  caseymoz   Jun-29-10 05:26 PM   #31 
        - Destroying the livelihood of innocent Americans  hack89   Jun-29-10 06:16 PM   #33 
           - they entered a contract w/ bp... if bp hadn't decided to help the owners- they'd have been  stlsaxman   Jun-29-10 06:35 PM   #37 
           - You can of course point us towards a large-scale  LanternWaste   Jun-29-10 07:15 PM   #40 
           - This will fail  hack89   Jun-29-10 07:53 PM   #49 
              - See my post #67, and please don't add the lecture about the "working poor" too.  caseymoz   Jun-30-10 07:48 PM   #68 
                 - Do you believe that oil companies can manipulate gas prices?  hack89   Jun-30-10 09:49 PM   #76 
                    - If they have to take any measure they wouldn't have taken before, you've hurt them.  caseymoz   Jul-01-10 11:28 AM   #89 
                       - No you haven't  hack89   Jul-01-10 04:08 PM   #94 
                          - How can you now know things will be the same a year from now  caseymoz   Jul-01-10 05:39 PM   #95 
                             - Government regulation is the answer  hack89   Jul-01-10 09:12 PM   #97 
                                - And our corporate, sponsored government can't withstand pressure as well?  caseymoz   Jul-02-10 12:39 AM   #98 
           - The way to help them is not to buy gas  spinbaby   Jun-30-10 01:03 PM   #63 
           - They benefited from the damn logo.  caseymoz   Jun-30-10 04:42 PM   #67 
           - So find a way to punish those in charge without needless collateral damage  hack89   Jun-30-10 09:43 PM   #74 
              - My need to punish, how about the need to change things before we're extinct?  caseymoz   Jul-01-10 11:13 AM   #88 
           - boycotting BP won't destroy the livelihood of innocent Americans  fishwax   Jun-30-10 08:08 PM   #69 
        - Yet my position still stands..  LanternWaste   Jun-29-10 07:13 PM   #39 
           - If it don't cause long term change, then it is a waste of time  hack89   Jun-29-10 07:57 PM   #50 
              - You're not going to prompt long-term change without measures like it.  caseymoz   Jul-01-10 12:09 PM   #92 
     - If it were economically better for them to do that  caseymoz   Jun-29-10 02:57 PM   #19 
  - VICTORY IS MINE! n/t  Ian David   Jun-29-10 02:48 PM   #15 
  - Jean-Michel Cousteau-Gulf Stream will take oil spill to England.  Yeahyeah   Jun-29-10 03:39 PM   #23 
  - Ask some poor clerk at a BP station who lost their job because of the boycott how they feel,  elocs   Jun-29-10 04:30 PM   #25 
  - People lose jobs all the time.  Cattledog   Jun-29-10 04:52 PM   #26 
  - Well, just wait until it's your turn. Not so funny then, is it? n/t  elocs   Jun-29-10 05:16 PM   #28 
  - typical  Robbien   Jun-29-10 05:00 PM   #27 
  - Typical. Do something where somebody gets hurt, but so long as it's not you it's ok.  elocs   Jun-29-10 05:20 PM   #30 
  - If it didn't effect you or yours  Robbien   Jun-29-10 05:37 PM   #32 
  - This is why we should never end war. All those people making missiles  crikkett   Jun-29-10 06:43 PM   #38 
  - What's wrong with criminal and civil sanctions  hack89   Jun-29-10 06:19 PM   #35 
     - Because our justice system doesn't prosecute corporations any more these days  Robbien   Jun-29-10 06:23 PM   #36 
        - So your answer is to punish the working poor?  hack89   Jun-29-10 07:49 PM   #48 
  - That's why I buy gas at BP  hack89   Jun-29-10 06:18 PM   #34 
  - Who are the people working in BP's competitor fuel stations?  Uncle Joe   Jun-29-10 07:30 PM   #42 
  - Those competitor gas stations are probably selling fuels made with BP products  PacerLJ35   Jun-29-10 07:34 PM   #44 
  - Those competitor stations are not paying BP franchise fees. n/t  Uncle Joe   Jun-29-10 07:36 PM   #45 
     - BP franchise fees are a very small part of BP's income, and this is hurting small business far more  PacerLJ35   Jun-29-10 07:43 PM   #46 
        - BP has a long term track record of abuse, which any prospective station owner could have researched.  Uncle Joe   Jun-29-10 07:57 PM   #51 
           - That could be said with regard to any large energy corporation...  PacerLJ35   Jun-29-10 08:06 PM   #53 
              - Re: The Exxon Valdez Spill, BP's role in it and the issue of shoddy emergency response plans.  Uncle Joe   Jun-30-10 09:59 AM   #61 
                 - I'm sure the small gas station owners got to review those shoddy ER plans  PacerLJ35   Jul-01-10 05:43 PM   #96 
  - Americans - I support them too.  hack89   Jun-29-10 07:59 PM   #52 
  - and BP convenience stores are the only ones employing American workers?  fishwax   Jun-30-10 08:14 PM   #71 
     - No - I think it is wrong to pit worker against worker  hack89   Jun-30-10 09:39 PM   #73 
        - so you shop at every single store?  fishwax   Jun-30-10 10:03 PM   #77 
           - I make it a point to shop at as many local stores as I can  hack89   Jun-30-10 10:06 PM   #78 
              - and the ones you don't? I guess you don't care about workers there?  fishwax   Jun-30-10 10:15 PM   #80 
                 - I live in a small town - I spend money at every gas station.  hack89   Jun-30-10 10:20 PM   #81 
                    - Does that mean you want the workers at the non-BP stations on your trip to lose their jobs?  fishwax   Jun-30-10 10:28 PM   #82 
                       - Why would they lose their jobs if your boycott is so successful?  hack89   Jul-01-10 08:57 AM   #85 
                          - it's quite easy to grasp -- you don't like the boycott, and plan to take it out on the working poor  fishwax   Jul-01-10 12:00 PM   #90 
                             - But since your boycott is so successful  hack89   Jul-01-10 03:45 PM   #93 
  - Just like some poor schmuck working for KBR or Halliburton, right?  Ignis   Jun-30-10 02:05 PM   #65 
  - assuming people still buy gas, then they're simply supporting clerks at other stores  fishwax   Jun-30-10 08:12 PM   #70 
  - Cry me a river, boo-hoo-hoo  Hugabear   Jun-30-10 09:45 PM   #75 
  - Well, don't expect anyone to cry a river if you were to lose your job either.  elocs   Jul-01-10 06:13 AM   #83 
  - OR: Ask the wildlife what it's like to be covered in oil and burned alive.  Dark   Jul-01-10 07:07 AM   #84 
  - I assume you are against boycotting any company in the world  Bidault   Jul-01-10 12:05 PM   #91 
  - If you REALLY want to do something to show your frustration/anger...  PacerLJ35   Jun-29-10 07:34 PM   #43 
  - I agree with you regarding conservation, but the kind of long term, chronic disregard exhibited  Uncle Joe   Jun-29-10 07:47 PM   #47 
  - You act like BP was the only petroleum company that had issues  PacerLJ35   Jun-29-10 08:09 PM   #54 
     - People making major investments by purchasing fuel stations and determining which brand to  Uncle Joe   Jun-30-10 09:32 AM   #60 
        - What does that have to do with punishing the clerks  hack89   Jun-30-10 01:57 PM   #64 
           - You must not have read the OP, so I will repost a segment here for you reading pleasure.  Uncle Joe   Jun-30-10 02:14 PM   #66 
              - Do you believe that oil companies can manipulate gas prices?  hack89   Jun-30-10 10:10 PM   #79 
                 - The writing is on the wall and the oil companies are gradually losing their power.  Uncle Joe   Jul-01-10 09:52 AM   #87 
  - um, reducing consumption would hurt the little guy much more than a boycott would  fishwax   Jun-30-10 08:23 PM   #72 
  - 50-70 million is nothing...  MellowDem   Jun-29-10 08:21 PM   #55 
  - It would normally go to lobbyists and politicians.  superconnected   Jun-30-10 12:55 PM   #62 
  - Sometimes I have to still buy gas from BP  sofa king   Jul-01-10 09:14 AM   #86 

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