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Mon May-31-10 12:56 PM
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| 8. for some, nothing can change that |
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I'm saddened that this tragedy happened, but it was entirely preventable and all of the blame lies with Israel. A logical person can see that, but an illogical person cannot - it seems for some, "Israel" doesn't mean Israel, but some ineffable thing that is more important than laws, life, or death. For me it's just a country. It's a country where some very dear friends of mine live, but it's also a state sponsor of terrorism.
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| -Attack is act of 'state terrorism' - Turkey |
Tripmann |
May-31-10 11:43 AM |
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K&R |
IndianaGreen |
May-31-10 11:46 AM |
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I have yet to see anyone understand that the legal definition |
CynicalObserver |
May-31-10 07:46 PM |
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Please tell me there is someone who can |
ooglymoogly |
May-31-10 07:56 PM |
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Please tell me there is someone who can |
ooglymoogly |
May-31-10 08:03 PM |
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You mean it's legal? |
Usrename |
May-31-10 09:21 PM |
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+1 |
AllyCat |
Jun-01-10 10:54 AM |
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Sophistry: a definition does not "allow" anything. |
caseymoz |
Jun-01-10 01:31 AM |
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You should be asking someone to explain "illegal blockade" to you. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jun-01-10 03:02 AM |
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LOL |
BOG PERSON |
Jun-01-10 01:12 PM |
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Jun-01-10 01:05 PM |
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You mean like the blockade that the Exodus ran in 1947? |
Ignis |
Jun-01-10 01:10 PM |
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Assuming all your facts, that still doesn't allow deadly force |
The Second Stone |
Jun-01-10 01:51 PM |
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The blockade is illegal. It is collective punishment and violates Article 33 |
EFerrari |
Jun-01-10 04:57 PM |
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Why go to Navy Regs |
FBI_Un_Sub |
Jun-01-10 10:41 PM |
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Totally agree, and this shit has to be stopped. n/t |
LakeSamish706 |
May-31-10 11:51 AM |
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...and yet this fucked up country blindly supports them. |
L0oniX |
May-31-10 11:55 AM |
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As though people here in states facing massive deficits couldn't use some |
truedelphi |
May-31-10 06:04 PM |
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+1 trillion. nt |
valerief |
Jun-01-10 10:08 AM |
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Jun-01-10 01:08 PM |
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Birds of a feather... n/t |
BOG PERSON |
Jun-01-10 01:13 PM |
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Some can never bring themselves to criticize Israeli actions... |
hlthe2b |
May-31-10 11:58 AM |
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for some, nothing can change that |
harmonicon |
May-31-10 12:56 PM |
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Agree with your post. |
truedelphi |
May-31-10 03:57 PM |
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What will NATO do? |
David__77 |
May-31-10 11:59 AM |
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This was not a turkish military vessel and has shit to do with NATO |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 04:22 PM |
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It is still an act of war against Turkey and NATO. |
cosmicone |
Jun-01-10 11:36 AM |
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Yes it is. |
Warren Stupidity |
May-31-10 12:41 PM |
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Turkey says navy will accompany future shipments |
anigbrowl |
May-31-10 12:46 PM |
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also Israeli lawyers petition court, call it piracy |
anigbrowl |
May-31-10 01:04 PM |
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Then they will have a naval engagement. |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 04:24 PM |
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If it's evident that Turkish vessels will come under fire... |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 08:53 PM |
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It's not about whether there's a right to do so- but whether a nation has the power to do so |
depakid |
May-31-10 09:51 PM |
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Fair enough |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 09:57 PM |
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Israel and the US only care about legalities when they believe it suits their interests |
depakid |
May-31-10 10:31 PM |
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Meanwhile our military industrial complex would probably like a war like this... |
cascadiance |
Jun-01-10 07:01 AM |
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If Turkey wants war with Israel, they will have it. Just like the |
lumpy |
Jun-02-10 01:31 AM |
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Isn't "state terrorism" the very definition of war? nt |
Eric Condon |
May-31-10 01:21 PM |
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I wonder what Turkey would do |
SnakeEyes |
May-31-10 01:44 PM |
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The people aboard didn't really have a choice to "refuse" |
LiberalLovinLug |
May-31-10 02:01 PM |
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Sure they can refuse. |
SnakeEyes |
May-31-10 02:15 PM |
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this wasn't in Israel's territorial waters |
anigbrowl |
May-31-10 02:17 PM |
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The aid flotilla was NOT in Israeli waters. |
cosmicone |
May-31-10 02:21 PM |
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I wonder what other countries would do |
tabasco |
May-31-10 04:13 PM |
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I'm sure they would do what any country would do. The problem |
sabrina 1 |
May-31-10 04:46 PM |
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n/m |
BOG PERSON |
May-31-10 04:53 PM |
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Interesting question |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 06:53 PM |
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DEFINE: territorial waters? |
Butch350 |
Jun-01-10 09:22 AM |
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Agree . . . a terrorist act by Israel . . . |
defendandprotect |
May-31-10 02:18 PM |
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Quelle supreeeeeez! nt |
ooglymoogly |
May-31-10 03:46 PM |
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Are you saying Israel was defending themselves ? |
defendandprotect |
May-31-10 04:06 PM |
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Exactly that.. Here is the video.. |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 05:17 PM |
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Tossing pirates off and defending your boat in international waters |
ooglymoogly |
May-31-10 07:47 PM |
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Well that boat is impounded and pipe guys are dead |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 08:59 PM |
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You sound absolutely thrilled.... |
ooglymoogly |
May-31-10 10:45 PM |
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Someone spent a long, lusty night polishing his gun. |
Ignis |
Jun-01-10 01:11 PM |
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The guy appears to be creamin' his panties over the death |
lumpy |
Jun-02-10 01:34 AM |
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Think part of what they expect is due to the strong military/$$$ backing from US ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-01-10 01:02 PM |
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And you are an adult? |
Bert |
May-31-10 09:05 PM |
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The 5 other boats that did not act violently were not harmed |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 09:19 PM |
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And here - this is for you - the video that you've spent the |
kas125 |
Jun-01-10 12:46 AM |
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Have you read any of my posts. |
ooglymoogly |
May-31-10 07:40 PM |
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No its inline with established maritime law. |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 09:00 PM |
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Again, naval blockades don't apply to international waters |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 10:12 PM |
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You can say that till you are blue in the face |
ooglymoogly |
May-31-10 11:04 PM |
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I'll second that view . . . I have a long "ignore" list based simply |
defendandprotect |
Jun-01-10 01:19 PM |
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I get you now . . . at the time I only read the one I replied to . . . my apologies .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-01-10 01:13 PM |
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Accepted, I kinda knew that anyway. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-01-10 02:28 PM |
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That's exactly what it was, but they know they have nothing to fear at the UN with US on their side |
ShamelessHussy |
May-31-10 02:20 PM |
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Well you were right on that on.....but then we all new how our |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-01-10 02:32 PM |
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K&R |
Odin2005 |
May-31-10 03:08 PM |
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The Turkish delegate at the emergency UNSEC meeting gave Israel... |
Poll_Blind |
May-31-10 04:20 PM |
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You cant just sail into someones nation. No matter who you are. |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 04:26 PM |
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I'm sorry, your argument is neither compelling nor convincing. (shrug) n/t |
Poll_Blind |
May-31-10 04:33 PM |
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Maritime law is really boring. Unlike most, it has no pet in this conflict. |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 04:50 PM |
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The Brits were in Iranian waters |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 06:56 PM |
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You might consider that the world (legally) disagrees with you. |
CynicalObserver |
May-31-10 07:48 PM |
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Yeah, that must be the root cause of the worldwide condemnation of this |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 08:08 PM |
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Just how I was going to respond to our 'friend' n/t |
Strelnikov_ |
May-31-10 08:11 PM |
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Hamas and Israel are at war. The blockade, an extension of that war. |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 09:03 PM |
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I understand that |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 10:09 PM |
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The world disagrees with you. You're wasting your time |
sabrina 1 |
May-31-10 04:54 PM |
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Hey look at all the innocent unarmed guys swinging pipes here. They are saying hello |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 05:16 PM |
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You continue to ignore the fact that they never should have |
sabrina 1 |
May-31-10 06:09 PM |
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Board my boat illegally, and I will defend myself |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 07:04 PM |
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So you think it's OK to kill over a boat |
Mosby |
May-31-10 08:16 PM |
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Over a boat? Nope |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 08:22 PM |
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Check the video quick draw. No pointed guns |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 09:01 PM |
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And they were justified to knock the shit out of anyone illegally boarding their boat |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 09:10 PM |
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Well, if you beat a USCG boarding team like that they will kill you |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 09:16 PM |
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See my reply below |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 09:39 PM |
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What exactly is your response to the assertion that |
crim son |
Jun-01-10 09:00 AM |
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You would defend yourself if someone kicked in your front door, right? |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-01-10 12:48 AM |
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S/he seems to be suggesting that the "door" belonged to Israel. |
crim son |
Jun-01-10 09:02 AM |
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In this case, the 'door' belonged, in a legal sense, to the nation of Turkey. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-01-10 05:11 PM |
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And the USCG will put a shotgun blast in your chest. |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 08:56 PM |
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I'm afraid you're only slightly right |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 09:30 PM |
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You are the sole voice of reason on this thread. ntxt. |
CynicalObserver |
May-31-10 07:49 PM |
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And birds of a feather flock together n/t |
Strelnikov_ |
May-31-10 08:06 PM |
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That they do |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 08:11 PM |
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Are you also opposed to the Exodus breaking the blockade in 1947? |
Ignis |
Jun-01-10 01:12 PM |
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K&R - Put sanctions on fascist Israel! Now! |
New Dawn |
May-31-10 05:44 PM |
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From the country that gave the world a real genocide. nt |
hack89 |
May-31-10 07:25 PM |
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Directed towards a country that denies the existence of said genocide |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 07:27 PM |
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Maybe they invade israel, like cyprus? |
Pavulon |
May-31-10 08:57 PM |
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Oh, something's going to come of this |
Chulanowa |
May-31-10 09:45 PM |
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This could end badly for Turkey |
hack89 |
Jun-01-10 05:21 AM |
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Forget about international waters... |
Andronex |
Jun-01-10 02:55 AM |
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Exactly right. Israel has no jurisdiction there, either. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jun-01-10 03:01 AM |
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Israel has handed Turkey a two edge sword that can hurt Turkey badly |
hack89 |
Jun-01-10 05:27 AM |
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So our Christian friends in Turkey must roll over and avccept |
madchick44 |
Jun-01-10 06:10 AM |
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Don't put words in my mouth |
hack89 |
Jun-01-10 09:17 AM |
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Contact info -- |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jun-01-10 10:46 AM |
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It Was indeed a Terrorist Act |
fascisthunter |
Jun-01-10 11:17 AM |
#94 |
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