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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-10 12:56 PM
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8. for some, nothing can change that
I'm saddened that this tragedy happened, but it was entirely preventable and all of the blame lies with Israel. A logical person can see that, but an illogical person cannot - it seems for some, "Israel" doesn't mean Israel, but some ineffable thing that is more important than laws, life, or death. For me it's just a country. It's a country where some very dear friends of mine live, but it's also a state sponsor of terrorism.
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  -Attack is act of 'state terrorism' - Turkey Tripmann  May-31-10 11:43 AM   #0 
  - K&R  IndianaGreen   May-31-10 11:46 AM   #1 
  - I have yet to see anyone understand that the legal definition  CynicalObserver   May-31-10 07:46 PM   #43 
     - Please tell me there is someone who can  ooglymoogly   May-31-10 07:56 PM   #47 
     - Please tell me there is someone who can  ooglymoogly   May-31-10 08:03 PM   #48 
     - You mean it's legal?  Usrename   May-31-10 09:21 PM   #66 
     - +1  AllyCat   Jun-01-10 10:54 AM   #93 
     - Sophistry: a definition does not "allow" anything.  caseymoz   Jun-01-10 01:31 AM   #79 
     - You should be asking someone to explain "illegal blockade" to you. n/t  EFerrari   Jun-01-10 03:02 AM   #82 
     - LOL  BOG PERSON   Jun-01-10 01:12 PM   #101 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-10 01:05 PM   #97 
     - You mean like the blockade that the Exodus ran in 1947?  Ignis   Jun-01-10 01:10 PM   #99 
     - Assuming all your facts, that still doesn't allow deadly force  The Second Stone   Jun-01-10 01:51 PM   #106 
     - The blockade is illegal. It is collective punishment and violates Article 33  EFerrari   Jun-01-10 04:57 PM   #109 
     - Why go to Navy Regs  FBI_Un_Sub   Jun-01-10 10:41 PM   #111 
  - Totally agree, and this shit has to be stopped. n/t  LakeSamish706   May-31-10 11:51 AM   #2 
  - ...and yet this fucked up country blindly supports them.  L0oniX   May-31-10 11:55 AM   #3 
  - As though people here in states facing massive deficits couldn't use some  truedelphi   May-31-10 06:04 PM   #35 
  - +1 trillion. nt  valerief   Jun-01-10 10:08 AM   #91 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-01-10 01:08 PM   #98 
  - Birds of a feather... n/t  BOG PERSON   Jun-01-10 01:13 PM   #104 
  - Some can never bring themselves to criticize Israeli actions...  hlthe2b   May-31-10 11:58 AM   #4 
  - for some, nothing can change that  harmonicon   May-31-10 12:56 PM   #8 
     - Agree with your post.  truedelphi   May-31-10 03:57 PM   #20 
  - What will NATO do?  David__77   May-31-10 11:59 AM   #5 
  - This was not a turkish military vessel and has shit to do with NATO  Pavulon   May-31-10 04:22 PM   #24 
     - It is still an act of war against Turkey and NATO.  cosmicone   Jun-01-10 11:36 AM   #95 
  - Yes it is.  Warren Stupidity   May-31-10 12:41 PM   #6 
  - Turkey says navy will accompany future shipments  anigbrowl   May-31-10 12:46 PM   #7 
  - also Israeli lawyers petition court, call it piracy  anigbrowl   May-31-10 01:04 PM   #9 
  - Then they will have a naval engagement.  Pavulon   May-31-10 04:24 PM   #25 
     - If it's evident that Turkish vessels will come under fire...  Chulanowa   May-31-10 08:53 PM   #55 
     - It's not about whether there's a right to do so- but whether a nation has the power to do so  depakid   May-31-10 09:51 PM   #70 
     - Fair enough  Chulanowa   May-31-10 09:57 PM   #71 
        - Israel and the US only care about legalities when they believe it suits their interests  depakid   May-31-10 10:31 PM   #74 
     - Meanwhile our military industrial complex would probably like a war like this...  cascadiance   Jun-01-10 07:01 AM   #86 
     - If Turkey wants war with Israel, they will have it. Just like the  lumpy   Jun-02-10 01:31 AM   #112 
  - Isn't "state terrorism" the very definition of war? nt  Eric Condon   May-31-10 01:21 PM   #10 
  - I wonder what Turkey would do  SnakeEyes   May-31-10 01:44 PM   #11 
  - The people aboard didn't really have a choice to "refuse"  LiberalLovinLug   May-31-10 02:01 PM   #12 
  - Sure they can refuse.  SnakeEyes   May-31-10 02:15 PM   #13 
  - this wasn't in Israel's territorial waters  anigbrowl   May-31-10 02:17 PM   #14 
  - The aid flotilla was NOT in Israeli waters.  cosmicone   May-31-10 02:21 PM   #17 
  - I wonder what other countries would do  tabasco   May-31-10 04:13 PM   #22 
  - I'm sure they would do what any country would do. The problem  sabrina 1   May-31-10 04:46 PM   #28 
  - n/m  BOG PERSON   May-31-10 04:53 PM   #30 
  - Interesting question  Chulanowa   May-31-10 06:53 PM   #37 
  - DEFINE: territorial waters?  Butch350   Jun-01-10 09:22 AM   #90 
  - Agree . . . a terrorist act by Israel . . .  defendandprotect   May-31-10 02:18 PM   #15 
  - Quelle supreeeeeez! nt  ooglymoogly   May-31-10 03:46 PM   #19 
     - Are you saying Israel was defending themselves ?  defendandprotect   May-31-10 04:06 PM   #21 
        - Exactly that.. Here is the video..  Pavulon   May-31-10 05:17 PM   #33 
        - Tossing pirates off and defending your boat in international waters  ooglymoogly   May-31-10 07:47 PM   #44 
        - Well that boat is impounded and pipe guys are dead  Pavulon   May-31-10 08:59 PM   #58 
        - You sound absolutely thrilled....  ooglymoogly   May-31-10 10:45 PM   #75 
           - Someone spent a long, lusty night polishing his gun.  Ignis   Jun-01-10 01:11 PM   #100 
           - The guy appears to be creamin' his panties over the death  lumpy   Jun-02-10 01:34 AM   #113 
        - Think part of what they expect is due to the strong military/$$$ backing from US ...  defendandprotect   Jun-01-10 01:02 PM   #96 
        - And you are an adult?  Bert   May-31-10 09:05 PM   #62 
        - The 5 other boats that did not act violently were not harmed  Pavulon   May-31-10 09:19 PM   #65 
        - And here - this is for you - the video that you've spent the  kas125   Jun-01-10 12:46 AM   #77 
        - Have you read any of my posts.  ooglymoogly   May-31-10 07:40 PM   #42 
           - No its inline with established maritime law.  Pavulon   May-31-10 09:00 PM   #59 
           - Again, naval blockades don't apply to international waters  Chulanowa   May-31-10 10:12 PM   #73 
              - You can say that till you are blue in the face  ooglymoogly   May-31-10 11:04 PM   #76 
                 - I'll second that view . . . I have a long "ignore" list based simply  defendandprotect   Jun-01-10 01:19 PM   #105 
           - I get you now . . . at the time I only read the one I replied to . . . my apologies ....  defendandprotect   Jun-01-10 01:13 PM   #103 
              - Accepted, I kinda knew that anyway. nt  ooglymoogly   Jun-01-10 02:28 PM   #107 
  - That's exactly what it was, but they know they have nothing to fear at the UN with US on their side  ShamelessHussy   May-31-10 02:20 PM   #16 
  - Well you were right on that on.....but then we all new how our  ooglymoogly   Jun-01-10 02:32 PM   #108 
  - K&R  Odin2005   May-31-10 03:08 PM   #18 
  - The Turkish delegate at the emergency UNSEC meeting gave Israel...  Poll_Blind   May-31-10 04:20 PM   #23 
  - You cant just sail into someones nation. No matter who you are.  Pavulon   May-31-10 04:26 PM   #26 
     - I'm sorry, your argument is neither compelling nor convincing. (shrug) n/t  Poll_Blind   May-31-10 04:33 PM   #27 
     - Maritime law is really boring. Unlike most, it has no pet in this conflict.  Pavulon   May-31-10 04:50 PM   #29 
        - The Brits were in Iranian waters  Chulanowa   May-31-10 06:56 PM   #38 
           - You might consider that the world (legally) disagrees with you.  CynicalObserver   May-31-10 07:48 PM   #45 
           - Yeah, that must be the root cause of the worldwide condemnation of this  Chulanowa   May-31-10 08:08 PM   #50 
              - Just how I was going to respond to our 'friend' n/t  Strelnikov_   May-31-10 08:11 PM   #52 
           - Hamas and Israel are at war. The blockade, an extension of that war.  Pavulon   May-31-10 09:03 PM   #61 
              - I understand that  Chulanowa   May-31-10 10:09 PM   #72 
     - The world disagrees with you. You're wasting your time  sabrina 1   May-31-10 04:54 PM   #31 
     - Hey look at all the innocent unarmed guys swinging pipes here. They are saying hello  Pavulon   May-31-10 05:16 PM   #32 
        - You continue to ignore the fact that they never should have  sabrina 1   May-31-10 06:09 PM   #36 
        - Board my boat illegally, and I will defend myself  Chulanowa   May-31-10 07:04 PM   #39 
        - So you think it's OK to kill over a boat  Mosby   May-31-10 08:16 PM   #53 
        - Over a boat? Nope  Chulanowa   May-31-10 08:22 PM   #54 
           - Check the video quick draw. No pointed guns  Pavulon   May-31-10 09:01 PM   #60 
              - And they were justified to knock the shit out of anyone illegally boarding their boat  Chulanowa   May-31-10 09:10 PM   #63 
              - Well, if you beat a USCG boarding team like that they will kill you  Pavulon   May-31-10 09:16 PM   #64 
                 - See my reply below  Chulanowa   May-31-10 09:39 PM   #68 
                 - What exactly is your response to the assertion that  crim son   Jun-01-10 09:00 AM   #87 
              - You would defend yourself if someone kicked in your front door, right?  AtheistCrusader   Jun-01-10 12:48 AM   #78 
                 - S/he seems to be suggesting that the "door" belonged to Israel.  crim son   Jun-01-10 09:02 AM   #88 
                    - In this case, the 'door' belonged, in a legal sense, to the nation of Turkey.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-01-10 05:11 PM   #110 
        - And the USCG will put a shotgun blast in your chest.  Pavulon   May-31-10 08:56 PM   #56 
           - I'm afraid you're only slightly right  Chulanowa   May-31-10 09:30 PM   #67 
        - You are the sole voice of reason on this thread. ntxt.  CynicalObserver   May-31-10 07:49 PM   #46 
           - And birds of a feather flock together n/t  Strelnikov_   May-31-10 08:06 PM   #49 
              - That they do  Chulanowa   May-31-10 08:11 PM   #51 
     - Are you also opposed to the Exodus breaking the blockade in 1947?  Ignis   Jun-01-10 01:12 PM   #102 
  - K&R - Put sanctions on fascist Israel! Now!  New Dawn   May-31-10 05:44 PM   #34 
  - From the country that gave the world a real genocide. nt  hack89   May-31-10 07:25 PM   #40 
  - Directed towards a country that denies the existence of said genocide  Chulanowa   May-31-10 07:27 PM   #41 
     - Maybe they invade israel, like cyprus?  Pavulon   May-31-10 08:57 PM   #57 
        - Oh, something's going to come of this  Chulanowa   May-31-10 09:45 PM   #69 
           - This could end badly for Turkey  hack89   Jun-01-10 05:21 AM   #83 
  - Forget about international waters...  Andronex   Jun-01-10 02:55 AM   #80 
  - Exactly right. Israel has no jurisdiction there, either. n/t  EFerrari   Jun-01-10 03:01 AM   #81 
  - Israel has handed Turkey a two edge sword that can hurt Turkey badly  hack89   Jun-01-10 05:27 AM   #84 
  - So our Christian friends in Turkey must roll over and avccept  madchick44   Jun-01-10 06:10 AM   #85 
     - Don't put words in my mouth  hack89   Jun-01-10 09:17 AM   #89 
  - Contact info --  Hell Hath No Fury   Jun-01-10 10:46 AM   #92 
  - It Was indeed a Terrorist Act  fascisthunter   Jun-01-10 11:17 AM   #94 
 

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