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37. this is a pretty bold theft
Edited on Sun Apr-18-10 10:46 AM by pitohui
judging from the shitty experiences of my family this isn't a gay/straight issue, this is a "you're old and every predator under the sun starts to look for ways to get you declared incompetent so they can steal yr shit" issue -- the relatives i've had robbed were not gay couples, but they were victimized just the same

i'm guessing the possessions were of great value, esp. the home, hence the hospital/nursing home and county had a HUGE motive to steal them

the younger, healthier guy ALSO being placed in the nursing home aga. his will -- this wasn't because he was gay, it was because he was standing in the way of the property grab -- at 77 he wasn't young enough to be able to defend himself aga. bogus claims of being incompetent

what do you bet these county workers went thru the house first and helped themselves to all sorts of valuable antiques first? "oh that's junk, that's going to be thrown out, i'll just take it home and sell it on ebay myself for about $10,000..." i can GUARANTEE for a fact that's what happened

we need stronger protection for all couples, married or not, and for all single old people too, because they get targeted and robbed like this even more often

marriage would be a part protection for this couple, but in many cases, thieves this bold would still find a way to get BOTH declared incompetent so they could loot the property -- in fact, getting BOTH confined to nursing homes was exactly what happened and could have (prob. would have) still happened even if they were married -- in addition to marriage you really need a younger trusted family member or a damn good attorney or BOTH to look out for your rights when you're that age

someone needs to go to jail REAL BAD but if my family's experience is any guide they won't -- it's open season on vulnerable elderly in this country, be confused on medications one day, somebody gets a court order while you're confused, and that's it, you're screwed, locked up in a nursing home while that somebody else runs off with a lifetime of your work and savings
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  -Sonoma County CA separates elderly gay couple and sells their home kpete  Apr-18-10 08:19 AM   #0 
  - Words fail. How totally without compassion, by so many people, and  babylonsister   Apr-18-10 08:22 AM   #1 
  - it's easy to use "legalities" aga. the old (see my other post)  pitohui   Apr-18-10 10:44 AM   #39 
  - It's possible because of Prop 8 unfortunately  ruggerson   Apr-18-10 12:39 PM   #69 
  - May God damn them to Hell.  Betty Karlson   Apr-19-10 08:27 AM   #188 
     - Sounds pretty christian to me.  muffin1   Apr-19-10 10:06 AM   #191 
        - Yeah, Kierkegaard's said the same thing:  Betty Karlson   Apr-19-10 10:29 PM   #199 
  - Happens every damn day. I have seen it repeatedly  HillbillyBob   Apr-18-10 12:43 PM   #71 
     - Sad but true.  Joe Bacon   Apr-18-10 06:55 PM   #154 
        - This kind of thing happens to heterosexual couples, too  Love Bug   Apr-18-10 09:01 PM   #159 
  - This Abuse Is All Based On  WVRICK13   Apr-18-10 08:24 AM   #2 
  - see that papist prig's message in malta today.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-18-10 08:42 AM   #6 
  - Marriage is also a sacrament--civil unions are wholly legal contracts  marshall   Apr-18-10 05:43 PM   #143 
     - So, marriage by a Justice of the Peace would be a "sacrament"?  NorthCarolina   Apr-18-10 09:18 PM   #161 
        - I said also--meaning marriage is more than one thing  marshall   Apr-18-10 09:57 PM   #169 
           - The crux is people wanting it to be only one thing  dbmk   Apr-19-10 12:54 AM   #179 
           - Aye, that is the postmodern question  marshall   Apr-19-10 07:22 AM   #185 
           - However, there is no need for a cultural divide here becauses churches distinguish their version as  Gormy Cuss   Apr-21-10 12:20 PM   #202 
  - This kind of thing is why marriage equality is not a "pony" or a "little pet issue."  QC   Apr-18-10 08:29 AM   #3 
  - +1 (n/t)  area51   Apr-18-10 09:42 AM   #20 
  - +7 nt  tbyg52   Apr-18-10 12:06 PM   #63 
  - +1000...  awoke_in_2003   Apr-18-10 12:50 PM   #72 
  - Thank you, QC!  Kajsa   Apr-18-10 01:11 PM   #82 
  - And there are plenty who'll still think that way after reading this  MarshalltheIrish   Apr-18-10 04:49 PM   #135 
  - Meaanwhile, welcome to DU, Marshall.  Bluebear   Apr-18-10 05:55 PM   #145 
  - Thanks!  MarshalltheIrish   Apr-18-10 06:38 PM   #152 
  - Actually, they had legal protection which the law chose to ignore.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-19-10 03:02 PM   #195 
  - Good call. I noted so wayyy down before reading your wise words!  Bluebear   Apr-18-10 05:56 PM   #147 
  - +1  Xipe Totec   Apr-18-10 07:37 PM   #155 
  - Exactly.  Starry Messenger   Apr-18-10 09:34 PM   #165 
  - .  myrna minx   Apr-19-10 02:15 AM   #181 
  - again and again  mitchtv   Apr-19-10 02:12 PM   #194 
  - 2nd class citizen status! wtf!! would they do that if it were a traditional male/female unmarried  ejpoeta   Apr-18-10 08:39 AM   #4 
  - It does happen with 'straight' couples but not with  HillbillyBob   Apr-18-10 12:51 PM   #73 
     - The Poverello Center  dmr   Apr-18-10 01:57 PM   #100 
  - This makes me ill.  proReality   Apr-18-10 08:41 AM   #5 
  - It is time to make numerous arrests  Angry Dragon   Apr-18-10 08:44 AM   #7 
  - How sad  joanmj   Apr-18-10 09:04 AM   #8 
  - This story is far from unique  Bluenorthwest   Apr-18-10 09:08 AM   #9 
  - Well said  MsLeopard   Apr-18-10 09:33 AM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-10 09:39 AM   #19 
  - you nailed it  dana_b   Apr-18-10 11:16 AM   #49 
  - !  Solly Mack   Apr-18-10 12:15 PM   #65 
  - +1000. nt  awoke_in_2003   Apr-18-10 12:52 PM   #75 
  - Bluenorthwest, you nailed it. Thank you.  bertman   Apr-18-10 03:08 PM   #116 
  - Exactly  suffragette   Apr-19-10 01:42 AM   #180 
  - ANYONE and EVERYONE involved in this should be in JAIL!  Wizard777   Apr-18-10 09:17 AM   #10 
  - I agree.  glinda   Apr-18-10 09:31 AM   #15 
  - Assuming legal papers the couple signed were legit you are correct  cstanleytech   Apr-18-10 10:00 AM   #27 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-18-10 10:05 AM   #31 
  - or have their end of life wishes treated w/ the same disdane  proud patriot   Apr-18-10 10:53 AM   #40 
  - Elder abuse is illegal. Who was overseeing all of counsel?  eagertolearn   Apr-18-10 11:32 AM   #52 
  - this is the government interfering in private lives  Betty   Apr-18-10 09:20 AM   #11 
  - Outrageous!  lonestarnot   Apr-18-10 09:22 AM   #12 
  - Fuckers  tandot   Apr-18-10 09:31 AM   #13 
  - To be fair... This could be just a few people responsible  quakerboy   Apr-18-10 05:57 PM   #148 
  - first of all  undergroundnomore   Apr-18-10 09:31 AM   #14 
  - this is a prime example of Fasco-Theocratic extremism.. "Dominionism", it is part and parcel of the  sam sarrha   Apr-18-10 10:28 AM   #36 
  - The right you refer to only effects hospitals and is not immediate.  LiberalFighter   Apr-18-10 05:43 PM   #142 
  - Maybe we should stop calling them "gay couples"  jmowreader   Apr-18-10 09:32 AM   #16 
  - Excellent point. This has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It's nobody's  rhett o rick   Apr-18-10 09:59 AM   #26 
  - Is there anyone standing up  DiverDave   Apr-18-10 09:34 AM   #18 
  - we all need to do a lot of screaming  handmade34   Apr-18-10 09:55 AM   #23 
  - This is precisely why civil rights should not be left up to the States...  Dappleganger   Apr-18-10 09:45 AM   #21 
  - excellent point  handmade34   Apr-18-10 09:56 AM   #25 
  - Nor up to executive order that can be undone by the next president.  Lars39   Apr-18-10 10:25 AM   #35 
  - You are so right! nt  Enthusiast   Apr-18-10 01:18 PM   #84 
  - Outrageous. nm  rhett o rick   Apr-18-10 09:49 AM   #22 
  - What ghastly bullshit.  Orrex   Apr-18-10 09:56 AM   #24 
  - Please tell me this is not true  voteearlyvoteoften   Apr-18-10 10:00 AM   #28 
  - not just immoral and cruel...this is just plain criminal  northernlights   Apr-18-10 10:02 AM   #29 
  - to a Dominionist this is government.. GOP is run by the Dominionists..Link>>  sam sarrha   Apr-18-10 10:42 AM   #38 
     - Is it any wonder  Enthusiast   Apr-18-10 01:25 PM   #87 
     - God help us  DiverDave   Apr-19-10 03:50 PM   #197 
        - palins church smacks of this.. they are connected with Joel's Army  sam sarrha   Apr-19-10 11:05 PM   #200 
  - Yes, Mr. President....  WillParkinson   Apr-18-10 10:04 AM   #30 
  - But, but, but...Obama's a "Fierce Advocate" of the LGBT community...  NorthCarolina   Apr-18-10 09:23 PM   #162 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-10 10:16 AM   #32 
  - This is an appalling abuse of power  varelse   Apr-18-10 10:19 AM   #33 
  - I wish The Bilerico Project named names  Auggie   Apr-18-10 10:22 AM   #34 
  - The case is Greene v The County of Sonoma et al. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-18-10 11:04 AM   #45 
  - I can't find anything either. They seem to have an in house system  EFerrari   Apr-18-10 11:29 AM   #51 
  - It is out of the date range  Ms. Toad   Apr-18-10 12:59 PM   #78 
     - The county authorities need to be exposed  Auggie   Apr-18-10 02:03 PM   #101 
  - this is a pretty bold theft  pitohui   Apr-18-10 10:37 AM   #37 
  - As hard as it is to find someone who will stick with us through old age, sickness and death...  DesertDiamond   Apr-18-10 10:54 AM   #41 
  - Am I wrong or aren't there studies that show senior's health is impacted  EFerrari   Apr-18-10 10:55 AM   #42 
     - Don't know about studies, but I sure have some anecdotal evidence  Ishoutandscream2   Apr-18-10 03:55 PM   #124 
        - I've read about it sort of randomly over and over but here's one:  EFerrari   Apr-18-10 04:04 PM   #125 
  - Someone needs to sue on their behalf - individually and collectively.  TankLV   Apr-18-10 10:58 AM   #43 
  - Sonoma County does these brutal things all the time.  WileEcoyote   Apr-18-10 11:00 AM   #44 
  - All I can say is...  plantwomyn   Apr-18-10 11:07 AM   #46 
  - The phrase "crime against humanity" comes to mind........  kestrel91316   Apr-18-10 11:10 AM   #47 
  - There are no words.  Odin2005   Apr-18-10 11:13 AM   #48 
  - Sonoma has disgraced itself in the eyes of humanity n/t  radhika   Apr-18-10 11:27 AM   #50 
  - I hope the ACLU or SOMEBODY is suing the hell out of Sonoma County!  TheDebbieDee   Apr-18-10 11:33 AM   #53 
  - If they do this to an elderly couple, they can do this to anyone  AwakeAtLast   Apr-18-10 11:33 AM   #54 
  - GLBT = non human in this society.  icymist   Apr-18-10 11:42 AM   #55 
  - If the legal paperwork was in place, then the courts were clearly wrong in overriding them. That's  jody   Apr-18-10 11:43 AM   #56 
  - On County Agenda on this page  FBarnett   Apr-18-10 11:49 AM   #57 
  - Last November. Thanks, Fred. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-18-10 12:03 PM   #62 
  - pure hatred would incline people to separate an elderly couple  fascisthunter   Apr-18-10 11:50 AM   #58 
  - I just hate these communist dictatorships!!!  roody   Apr-18-10 11:55 AM   #59 
  - I Am So Sick Of........  queerart   Apr-18-10 11:57 AM   #60 
  - This is what happened to my friend May H. as well. She managed to get herself back home  earcandle   Apr-18-10 12:02 PM   #61 
  - I'm livid.  Solly Mack   Apr-18-10 12:14 PM   #64 
  - how can anyone treat others that way?  mzteris   Apr-18-10 12:17 PM   #66 
  - They MUST sue the county NOW! Someone please take this case pro bono. You will not be sorry.  judesedit   Apr-18-10 12:22 PM   #67 
  - Do people get off on kicking elderly GLBT people?  Politicub   Apr-18-10 12:28 PM   #68 
  - No, i think they get off on  awoke_in_2003   Apr-18-10 12:57 PM   #77 
  - There are no words....  BrklynLiberal   Apr-18-10 12:40 PM   #70 
  - CONTACT...CONTACT...CONTACT Board of Supervisors HERE  SoapBox   Apr-18-10 12:52 PM   #74 
  - Signed, sealed and delivered. nt  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 01:31 PM   #91 
  - +100 for valuable activist info!!!. . n/t  annabanana   Apr-18-10 01:46 PM   #98 
  - Thank you.  pecwae   Apr-19-10 08:50 AM   #190 
  - K & R!  pnorman   Apr-18-10 12:54 PM   #76 
  - Want to talk thuglican health care....this is it.  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 01:02 PM   #79 
  - Correction....Just read the last paragraph of the article  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 02:55 PM   #113 
  - Evil. Pure evil. Thank God Obama has set compassion in motion.  BlancheSplanchnik   Apr-18-10 01:06 PM   #80 
  - I live in Sonoma Co. and I just learned of this tragedy.  AnotherDreamWeaver   Apr-18-10 01:10 PM   #81 
  - Press Democrat has online report....  AnotherDreamWeaver   Apr-21-10 11:38 AM   #201 
     - letter to editor today  AnotherDreamWeaver   Apr-27-10 10:35 PM   # 
     - duplicate  AnotherDreamWeaver   Apr-27-10 10:35 PM   #204 
  - I do not think this is only  dotymed   Apr-18-10 01:18 PM   #83 
  - Because Elton John would have sued their ignorant pants off. nt  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 01:21 PM   #86 
     - and to add: They would not have done it to an elderly straight couple.  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 01:28 PM   #89 
        - i would`t bet on that...  madrchsod   Apr-18-10 01:41 PM   #95 
        - Apparently the court allowed "limited access" to ONE of the accounts of the  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 02:38 PM   #109 
        - My friend May is a straight unmarried woman who bought her home in 1950 in Cole  earcandle   Apr-18-10 08:26 PM   #158 
  - so what's so great about being "straight?"  feslen   Apr-18-10 01:19 PM   #85 
  - sickening beyond mere words  unabelladonna   Apr-18-10 01:25 PM   #88 
  - But but but... gay's don't need to get married! There are equally-effective arraingments...  krispos42   Apr-18-10 01:29 PM   #90 
  - looks like they wanted his property and possessions to....  madrchsod   Apr-18-10 01:34 PM   #92 
  - That would be, "The Town and Country" wine country.  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 01:40 PM   #94 
     - when ever i see that county on the teevee ....  madrchsod   Apr-18-10 01:43 PM   #96 
        - maybe he has oil in them tharn hills  feslen   Apr-18-10 06:01 PM   #150 
  - If these folks have any family; That family should sue  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 01:36 PM   #93 
  - They do have family. Each other. - n/t  Zenlitened   Apr-18-10 01:46 PM   #97 
     - Well that family has been effectively silenced.  ooglymoogly   Apr-18-10 02:19 PM   #104 
  - No humanity, no human decency. How do people who make these calls sleep??  felinetta   Apr-18-10 01:54 PM   #99 
  - The people they did it to are gay. That's how.  jmowreader   Apr-18-10 05:18 PM   #140 
  - If Clay owned the home  npk   Apr-18-10 02:12 PM   #102 
  - They were renters the article said, see last sentence of article.  Tx4obama   Apr-18-10 02:29 PM   #106 
     - Didn't see that part  npk   Apr-18-10 04:43 PM   #134 
  - Wait, did I just wake up in 1950?  LynneSin   Apr-18-10 02:18 PM   #103 
  - God damn it to hell  Hekate   Apr-18-10 02:26 PM   #105 
  - Hope suit is successful  cleverusername   Apr-18-10 02:32 PM   #107 
  - I'm wondering why your OP headline says the county sold their home  gristy   Apr-18-10 02:33 PM   #108 
  - When you rent your possessions are your home...  skids   Apr-18-10 03:47 PM   #123 
     - Well, I understand your points here, but most will read "home" as "house"  gristy   Apr-18-10 04:10 PM   #126 
        - I'd say 2 fits perfectly.  skids   Apr-18-10 04:30 PM   #132 
           - You're right. It doesn't matter.  gristy   Apr-18-10 04:43 PM   #133 
              - physical environment/physical surroundings...  skids   Apr-18-10 05:12 PM   #139 
  - This makes me angry as all hell that anyone would treat two human beings like this.  Cass   Apr-18-10 02:43 PM   #110 
  - This happens a lot of times to people.  shanti2   Apr-18-10 02:45 PM   #111 
  - Fuck, that's awful.  harry_pothead   Apr-18-10 03:05 PM   #114 
  - This is what the Yes-on-8 people voted for.  harry_pothead   Apr-18-10 02:48 PM   #112 
  - This is so disgusting and heartbreaking that it makes my heart ache. Some humans  bertman   Apr-18-10 03:07 PM   #115 
  - Way to go California!  alp227   Apr-18-10 03:11 PM   #117 
  - Oh how appalling  Generic Other   Apr-18-10 03:18 PM   #118 
  - tweeted and also sent to Rachel Maddow  BuddhaGirl   Apr-18-10 03:23 PM   #119 
  - I hope she takes it up.  LeftyMom   Apr-18-10 10:00 PM   #170 
  - What is the matter with Sonoma County?  Ken Burch   Apr-18-10 03:24 PM   #120 
  - This is not the act of the county but that of a few deranged individuals  Auggie   Apr-19-10 08:02 AM   #187 
  - Any contact info?  laylah   Apr-18-10 03:35 PM   #121 
  - Scroll back up to my earlier post..subject is CONTACT...CONTACT...  SoapBox   Apr-18-10 04:18 PM   #128 
  - contact info here  BuddhaGirl   Apr-18-10 04:20 PM   #129 
  - I agree.  sudopod   Apr-18-10 05:00 PM   #138 
  - That is so hard to read.  marew   Apr-18-10 03:44 PM   #122 
  - This is an outrage!  rasputin1952   Apr-18-10 04:17 PM   #127 
  - I hope every ignorant fucker in CA who voted to repeal marriage equality  BR_Parkway   Apr-18-10 04:20 PM   #130 
  - That's awful!  proteus_lives   Apr-18-10 04:22 PM   #131 
  - I can hardly type I'm crying so hard. This is horrible. Horrible.  DrZeeLit   Apr-18-10 04:50 PM   #136 
  - The link doesn't seem to work.  Ken Burch   Apr-18-10 04:50 PM   #137 
  - I live in Sonoma County  Downtown Hound   Apr-18-10 05:27 PM   #141 
  - Looking high & low for the "GLBT rights are a pet issue"/"poutrage" crowd.  Bluebear   Apr-18-10 05:44 PM   #144 
  - OMG,what a nightmare !  Shining Jack   Apr-18-10 05:55 PM   #146 
  - This is why separate but equal would never work.  Zhade   Apr-18-10 05:58 PM   #149 
  - Someone should see if Lynn Woolsey can help.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-18-10 06:26 PM   #151 
  - The best case for marriage equality I've seen  Alcibiades   Apr-18-10 06:38 PM   #153 
  - OMG! This is just heartbreaking.  pink-o   Apr-18-10 07:39 PM   #156 
  - Please pass it on if this leads to a "Boycott Sonoma County Wines" campaign  Ken Burch   Apr-18-10 07:55 PM   #157 
  - OK, I'm getting confused...  wygit   Apr-18-10 09:08 PM   #160 
  - Links, But They Don't Offer Much More Information>>>>>>>>>>  queerart   Apr-18-10 09:24 PM   #163 
     - right, and even those are still quoting the same original story  wygit   Apr-18-10 09:43 PM   #166 
        - The agenda item on the Board of Supervisors' schedule in November  EFerrari   Apr-19-10 02:20 AM   #182 
           - There's an update on the NCLR site ...  wygit   Apr-19-10 01:48 PM   #193 
  - Another type of depraved indifference  Samantha   Apr-18-10 09:26 PM   #164 
  - Here's another link that seems to work:  Ken Burch   Apr-18-10 09:45 PM   #167 
  - I want to know which heavy hammer attorney is going to take Clay's case pro bono.  flvegan   Apr-18-10 09:47 PM   #168 
  - Interesting to me that in a story this horrible, that there are those who overlook the  Number23   Apr-18-10 10:12 PM   #171 
  - so sad commentary on the bigotry and racism of Americans...  blueredneck   Apr-18-10 10:13 PM   #172 
  - Does Clay have a place to live now?  Kali   Apr-18-10 10:15 PM   #173 
  - Damn them all to hell  donheld   Apr-18-10 10:50 PM   #174 
  - Shameful.  buckrogers1965   Apr-18-10 11:12 PM   #175 
  - How can this exist in a free nation?  JackDragna   Apr-18-10 11:41 PM   #176 
  - Disgusting.. This is why religion is supposed to stay out of govt completely.  glowing   Apr-18-10 11:58 PM   #177 
  - seeing as how...  wygit   Apr-19-10 03:05 PM   #196 
     - Illinois, not Ohio.  Ken Burch   Apr-26-10 12:28 PM   #203 
  - There are VERY few stories that make me physically ill anymore.  dencol   Apr-19-10 12:46 AM   #178 
  - I only pray that these gentlemen live long enough to . . .  OneBlueSky   Apr-19-10 02:52 AM   #183 
  - Harold passed away already. Iirc, three months after his fall. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-19-10 02:56 AM   #184 
  - How CAN people be so cruel?  beac   Apr-19-10 07:40 AM   #186 
  - Heartrending.  pecwae   Apr-19-10 08:47 AM   #189 
  - Unfucking believable.  muffin1   Apr-19-10 10:10 AM   #192 
  - Kick  Little Star   Apr-19-10 05:54 PM   #198 
  - more follow up reports  AnotherDreamWeaver   Apr-30-10 01:43 AM   #205 
  - Thanks.  EFerrari   Apr-30-10 03:19 AM   #207 
  - my dad was gay and died at age 69. I have no words and falling tears. n/t  sohndrsmith   Apr-30-10 03:07 AM   #206 

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