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Source: The Bilerico ProjectSonoma County CA separates elderly gay couple and sells their home Filed by: Kate Kendell April 17, 2010 4:00 PM Print Clay and his partner of 20 years, Harold, lived in California. Clay and Harold made diligent efforts to protect their legal rights, and had their legal paperwork in place--wills, powers of attorney, and medical directives, all naming each other. Harold was 88 years old and in frail medical condition, but still living at home with Clay, 77, who was in good health. One evening, Harold fell down the front steps of their home and was taken to the hospital. Based on their medical directives alone, Clay should have been consulted in Harold's care from the first moment. Tragically, county and health care workers instead refused to allow Clay to see elderly_man.jpgHarold in the hospital. The county then ultimately went one step further by isolating the couple from each other, placing the men in separate nursing homes. Ignoring Clay's significant role in Harold's life, the county continued to treat Harold like he had no family and went to court seeking the power to make financial decisions on his behalf. Outrageously, the county represented to the judge that Clay was merely Harold's "roommate." The court denied their efforts, but did grant the county limited access to one of Harold's bank accounts to pay for his care.  Without authority, without determining the value of Clay and Harold's possessions accumulated over the course of their 20 years together or making any effort to determine which items belonged to whom, the county took everything Harold and Clay owned and auctioned off all of their belongings. Adding further insult to grave injury, the county removed Clay from his home and confined him to a nursing home against his will. The county workers then terminated Clay and Harold's lease and surrendered the home they had shared for many years to the landlord. Read more: http://www.bilerico.com/2010/04/sonoma_county_ca_separa...
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| -Sonoma County CA separates elderly gay couple and sells their home |
kpete |
Apr-18-10 08:19 AM |
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Words fail. How totally without compassion, by so many people, and |
babylonsister |
Apr-18-10 08:22 AM |
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it's easy to use "legalities" aga. the old (see my other post) |
pitohui |
Apr-18-10 10:44 AM |
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It's possible because of Prop 8 unfortunately |
ruggerson |
Apr-18-10 12:39 PM |
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May God damn them to Hell. |
Betty Karlson |
Apr-19-10 08:27 AM |
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Sounds pretty christian to me. |
muffin1 |
Apr-19-10 10:06 AM |
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Yeah, Kierkegaard's said the same thing: |
Betty Karlson |
Apr-19-10 10:29 PM |
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Happens every damn day. I have seen it repeatedly |
HillbillyBob |
Apr-18-10 12:43 PM |
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Sad but true. |
Joe Bacon |
Apr-18-10 06:55 PM |
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This kind of thing happens to heterosexual couples, too |
Love Bug |
Apr-18-10 09:01 PM |
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This Abuse Is All Based On |
WVRICK13 |
Apr-18-10 08:24 AM |
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see that papist prig's message in malta today. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-18-10 08:42 AM |
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Marriage is also a sacrament--civil unions are wholly legal contracts |
marshall |
Apr-18-10 05:43 PM |
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So, marriage by a Justice of the Peace would be a "sacrament"? |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-18-10 09:18 PM |
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I said also--meaning marriage is more than one thing |
marshall |
Apr-18-10 09:57 PM |
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The crux is people wanting it to be only one thing |
dbmk |
Apr-19-10 12:54 AM |
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Aye, that is the postmodern question |
marshall |
Apr-19-10 07:22 AM |
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However, there is no need for a cultural divide here becauses churches distinguish their version as |
Gormy Cuss |
Apr-21-10 12:20 PM |
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This kind of thing is why marriage equality is not a "pony" or a "little pet issue." |
QC |
Apr-18-10 08:29 AM |
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+1 (n/t) |
area51 |
Apr-18-10 09:42 AM |
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+7 nt |
tbyg52 |
Apr-18-10 12:06 PM |
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+1000... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Apr-18-10 12:50 PM |
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Thank you, QC! |
Kajsa |
Apr-18-10 01:11 PM |
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And there are plenty who'll still think that way after reading this |
MarshalltheIrish |
Apr-18-10 04:49 PM |
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Meaanwhile, welcome to DU, Marshall. |
Bluebear |
Apr-18-10 05:55 PM |
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Thanks! |
MarshalltheIrish |
Apr-18-10 06:38 PM |
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Actually, they had legal protection which the law chose to ignore. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-19-10 03:02 PM |
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Good call. I noted so wayyy down before reading your wise words! |
Bluebear |
Apr-18-10 05:56 PM |
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+1 |
Xipe Totec |
Apr-18-10 07:37 PM |
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Exactly. |
Starry Messenger |
Apr-18-10 09:34 PM |
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. |
myrna minx |
Apr-19-10 02:15 AM |
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again and again |
mitchtv |
Apr-19-10 02:12 PM |
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2nd class citizen status! wtf!! would they do that if it were a traditional male/female unmarried |
ejpoeta |
Apr-18-10 08:39 AM |
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It does happen with 'straight' couples but not with |
HillbillyBob |
Apr-18-10 12:51 PM |
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The Poverello Center |
dmr |
Apr-18-10 01:57 PM |
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This makes me ill. |
proReality |
Apr-18-10 08:41 AM |
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It is time to make numerous arrests |
Angry Dragon |
Apr-18-10 08:44 AM |
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How sad |
joanmj |
Apr-18-10 09:04 AM |
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This story is far from unique |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-18-10 09:08 AM |
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Well said |
MsLeopard |
Apr-18-10 09:33 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Apr-18-10 09:39 AM |
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you nailed it |
dana_b |
Apr-18-10 11:16 AM |
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! |
Solly Mack |
Apr-18-10 12:15 PM |
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+1000. nt |
awoke_in_2003 |
Apr-18-10 12:52 PM |
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Bluenorthwest, you nailed it. Thank you. |
bertman |
Apr-18-10 03:08 PM |
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Exactly |
suffragette |
Apr-19-10 01:42 AM |
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ANYONE and EVERYONE involved in this should be in JAIL! |
Wizard777 |
Apr-18-10 09:17 AM |
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I agree. |
glinda |
Apr-18-10 09:31 AM |
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Assuming legal papers the couple signed were legit you are correct |
cstanleytech |
Apr-18-10 10:00 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
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Apr-18-10 10:05 AM |
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or have their end of life wishes treated w/ the same disdane |
proud patriot |
Apr-18-10 10:53 AM |
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Elder abuse is illegal. Who was overseeing all of this...legal counsel? |
eagertolearn |
Apr-18-10 11:32 AM |
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this is the government interfering in private lives |
Betty |
Apr-18-10 09:20 AM |
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Outrageous! |
lonestarnot |
Apr-18-10 09:22 AM |
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Fuckers |
tandot |
Apr-18-10 09:31 AM |
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To be fair... This could be just a few people responsible |
quakerboy |
Apr-18-10 05:57 PM |
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first of all |
undergroundnomore |
Apr-18-10 09:31 AM |
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this is a prime example of Fasco-Theocratic extremism.. "Dominionism", it is part and parcel of the |
sam sarrha |
Apr-18-10 10:28 AM |
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The right you refer to only effects hospitals and is not immediate. |
LiberalFighter |
Apr-18-10 05:43 PM |
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Maybe we should stop calling them "gay couples" |
jmowreader |
Apr-18-10 09:32 AM |
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Excellent point. This has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It's nobody's |
rhett o rick |
Apr-18-10 09:59 AM |
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Is there anyone standing up |
DiverDave |
Apr-18-10 09:34 AM |
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we all need to do a lot of screaming |
handmade34 |
Apr-18-10 09:55 AM |
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This is precisely why civil rights should not be left up to the States... |
Dappleganger |
Apr-18-10 09:45 AM |
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excellent point |
handmade34 |
Apr-18-10 09:56 AM |
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Nor up to executive order that can be undone by the next president. |
Lars39 |
Apr-18-10 10:25 AM |
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You are so right! nt |
Enthusiast |
Apr-18-10 01:18 PM |
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Outrageous. nm |
rhett o rick |
Apr-18-10 09:49 AM |
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What ghastly bullshit. |
Orrex |
Apr-18-10 09:56 AM |
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Please tell me this is not true |
voteearlyvoteoften |
Apr-18-10 10:00 AM |
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not just immoral and cruel...this is just plain criminal |
northernlights |
Apr-18-10 10:02 AM |
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to a Dominionist this is government.. GOP is run by the Dominionists..Link>> |
sam sarrha |
Apr-18-10 10:42 AM |
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Is it any wonder |
Enthusiast |
Apr-18-10 01:25 PM |
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God help us |
DiverDave |
Apr-19-10 03:50 PM |
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palins church smacks of this.. they are connected with Joel's Army |
sam sarrha |
Apr-19-10 11:05 PM |
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Yes, Mr. President.... |
WillParkinson |
Apr-18-10 10:04 AM |
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But, but, but...Obama's a "Fierce Advocate" of the LGBT community... |
NorthCarolina |
Apr-18-10 09:23 PM |
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Apr-18-10 10:16 AM |
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This is an appalling abuse of power |
varelse |
Apr-18-10 10:19 AM |
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I wish The Bilerico Project named names |
Auggie |
Apr-18-10 10:22 AM |
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The case is Greene v The County of Sonoma et al. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-18-10 11:04 AM |
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I can't find anything either. They seem to have an in house system |
EFerrari |
Apr-18-10 11:29 AM |
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It is out of the date range |
Ms. Toad |
Apr-18-10 12:59 PM |
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The county authorities need to be exposed |
Auggie |
Apr-18-10 02:03 PM |
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this is a pretty bold theft |
pitohui |
Apr-18-10 10:37 AM |
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As hard as it is to find someone who will stick with us through old age, sickness and death... |
DesertDiamond |
Apr-18-10 10:54 AM |
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Am I wrong or aren't there studies that show senior's health is impacted |
EFerrari |
Apr-18-10 10:55 AM |
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Don't know about studies, but I sure have some anecdotal evidence |
Ishoutandscream2 |
Apr-18-10 03:55 PM |
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I've read about it sort of randomly over and over but here's one: |
EFerrari |
Apr-18-10 04:04 PM |
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Someone needs to sue on their behalf - individually and collectively. |
TankLV |
Apr-18-10 10:58 AM |
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Sonoma County does these brutal things all the time. |
WileEcoyote |
Apr-18-10 11:00 AM |
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All I can say is... |
plantwomyn |
Apr-18-10 11:07 AM |
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The phrase "crime against humanity" comes to mind........ |
kestrel91316 |
Apr-18-10 11:10 AM |
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There are no words. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-18-10 11:13 AM |
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Sonoma has disgraced itself in the eyes of humanity n/t |
radhika |
Apr-18-10 11:27 AM |
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I hope the ACLU or SOMEBODY is suing the hell out of Sonoma County! |
TheDebbieDee |
Apr-18-10 11:33 AM |
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If they do this to an elderly couple, they can do this to anyone |
AwakeAtLast |
Apr-18-10 11:33 AM |
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GLBT = non human in this society. |
icymist |
Apr-18-10 11:42 AM |
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If the legal paperwork was in place, then the courts were clearly wrong in overriding them. That's |
jody |
Apr-18-10 11:43 AM |
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On County Agenda on this page |
FBarnett |
Apr-18-10 11:49 AM |
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Last November. Thanks, Fred. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-18-10 12:03 PM |
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pure hatred would incline people to separate an elderly couple |
fascisthunter |
Apr-18-10 11:50 AM |
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I just hate these communist dictatorships!!! |
roody |
Apr-18-10 11:55 AM |
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I Am So Sick Of........ |
queerart |
Apr-18-10 11:57 AM |
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This is what happened to my friend May H. as well. She managed to get herself back home |
earcandle |
Apr-18-10 12:02 PM |
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I'm livid. |
Solly Mack |
Apr-18-10 12:14 PM |
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how can anyone treat others that way? |
mzteris |
Apr-18-10 12:17 PM |
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They MUST sue the county NOW! Someone please take this case pro bono. You will not be sorry. |
judesedit |
Apr-18-10 12:22 PM |
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Do people get off on kicking elderly GLBT people? |
Politicub |
Apr-18-10 12:28 PM |
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No, i think they get off on |
awoke_in_2003 |
Apr-18-10 12:57 PM |
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There are no words.... |
BrklynLiberal |
Apr-18-10 12:40 PM |
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CONTACT...CONTACT...CONTACT Board of Supervisors HERE |
SoapBox |
Apr-18-10 12:52 PM |
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Signed, sealed and delivered. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 01:31 PM |
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+100 for valuable activist info!!!. . n/t |
annabanana |
Apr-18-10 01:46 PM |
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Thank you. |
pecwae |
Apr-19-10 08:50 AM |
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K & R! |
pnorman |
Apr-18-10 12:54 PM |
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Want to talk thuglican health care....this is it. |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 01:02 PM |
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Correction....Just read the last paragraph of the article |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 02:55 PM |
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Evil. Pure evil. Thank God Obama has set compassion in motion. |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-18-10 01:06 PM |
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I live in Sonoma Co. and I just learned of this tragedy. |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Apr-18-10 01:10 PM |
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Press Democrat has online report.... |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Apr-21-10 11:38 AM |
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letter to editor today |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Apr-27-10 10:35 PM |
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duplicate |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Apr-27-10 10:35 PM |
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I do not think this is only |
dotymed |
Apr-18-10 01:18 PM |
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Because Elton John would have sued their ignorant pants off. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 01:21 PM |
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and to add: They would not have done it to an elderly straight couple. |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 01:28 PM |
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i would`t bet on that... |
madrchsod |
Apr-18-10 01:41 PM |
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Apparently the court allowed "limited access" to ONE of the accounts of the |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 02:38 PM |
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My friend May is a straight unmarried woman who bought her home in 1950 in Cole |
earcandle |
Apr-18-10 08:26 PM |
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so what's so great about being "straight?" |
feslen |
Apr-18-10 01:19 PM |
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sickening beyond mere words |
unabelladonna |
Apr-18-10 01:25 PM |
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But but but... gay's don't need to get married! There are equally-effective arraingments... |
krispos42 |
Apr-18-10 01:29 PM |
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looks like they wanted his property and possessions to.... |
madrchsod |
Apr-18-10 01:34 PM |
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That would be, "The Town and Country" wine country. |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 01:40 PM |
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when ever i see that county on the teevee .... |
madrchsod |
Apr-18-10 01:43 PM |
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maybe he has oil in them tharn hills |
feslen |
Apr-18-10 06:01 PM |
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If these folks have any family; That family should sue |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 01:36 PM |
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They do have family. Each other. - n/t |
Zenlitened |
Apr-18-10 01:46 PM |
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Well that family has been effectively silenced. |
ooglymoogly |
Apr-18-10 02:19 PM |
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No humanity, no human decency. How do people who make these calls sleep?? |
felinetta |
Apr-18-10 01:54 PM |
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The people they did it to are gay. That's how. |
jmowreader |
Apr-18-10 05:18 PM |
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If Clay owned the home |
npk |
Apr-18-10 02:12 PM |
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They were renters the article said, see last sentence of article. |
Tx4obama |
Apr-18-10 02:29 PM |
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Didn't see that part |
npk |
Apr-18-10 04:43 PM |
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Wait, did I just wake up in 1950? |
LynneSin |
Apr-18-10 02:18 PM |
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God damn it to hell |
Hekate |
Apr-18-10 02:26 PM |
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Hope suit is successful |
cleverusername |
Apr-18-10 02:32 PM |
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I'm wondering why your OP headline says the county sold their home |
gristy |
Apr-18-10 02:33 PM |
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When you rent your possessions are your home... |
skids |
Apr-18-10 03:47 PM |
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Well, I understand your points here, but most will read "home" as "house" |
gristy |
Apr-18-10 04:10 PM |
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I'd say 2 fits perfectly. |
skids |
Apr-18-10 04:30 PM |
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You're right. It doesn't matter. |
gristy |
Apr-18-10 04:43 PM |
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physical environment/physical surroundings... |
skids |
Apr-18-10 05:12 PM |
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This makes me angry as all hell that anyone would treat two human beings like this. |
Cass |
Apr-18-10 02:43 PM |
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This happens a lot of times to people. |
shanti2 |
Apr-18-10 02:45 PM |
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Fuck, that's awful. |
harry_pothead |
Apr-18-10 03:05 PM |
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This is what the Yes-on-8 people voted for. |
harry_pothead |
Apr-18-10 02:48 PM |
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This is so disgusting and heartbreaking that it makes my heart ache. Some humans |
bertman |
Apr-18-10 03:07 PM |
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Way to go California! |
alp227 |
Apr-18-10 03:11 PM |
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Oh how appalling |
Generic Other |
Apr-18-10 03:18 PM |
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tweeted and also sent to Rachel Maddow |
BuddhaGirl |
Apr-18-10 03:23 PM |
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I hope she takes it up. |
LeftyMom |
Apr-18-10 10:00 PM |
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What is the matter with Sonoma County? |
Ken Burch |
Apr-18-10 03:24 PM |
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This is not the act of the county but that of a few deranged individuals |
Auggie |
Apr-19-10 08:02 AM |
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Any contact info? |
laylah |
Apr-18-10 03:35 PM |
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Scroll back up to my earlier post..subject is CONTACT...CONTACT... |
SoapBox |
Apr-18-10 04:18 PM |
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contact info here |
BuddhaGirl |
Apr-18-10 04:20 PM |
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I agree. |
sudopod |
Apr-18-10 05:00 PM |
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That is so hard to read. |
marew |
Apr-18-10 03:44 PM |
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This is an outrage! |
rasputin1952 |
Apr-18-10 04:17 PM |
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I hope every ignorant fucker in CA who voted to repeal marriage equality |
BR_Parkway |
Apr-18-10 04:20 PM |
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That's awful! |
proteus_lives |
Apr-18-10 04:22 PM |
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I can hardly type I'm crying so hard. This is horrible. Horrible. |
DrZeeLit |
Apr-18-10 04:50 PM |
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The link doesn't seem to work. |
Ken Burch |
Apr-18-10 04:50 PM |
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I live in Sonoma County |
Downtown Hound |
Apr-18-10 05:27 PM |
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Looking high & low for the "GLBT rights are a pet issue"/"poutrage" crowd. |
Bluebear |
Apr-18-10 05:44 PM |
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OMG,what a nightmare ! |
Shining Jack |
Apr-18-10 05:55 PM |
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This is why separate but equal would never work. |
Zhade |
Apr-18-10 05:58 PM |
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Someone should see if Lynn Woolsey can help. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-18-10 06:26 PM |
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The best case for marriage equality I've seen |
Alcibiades |
Apr-18-10 06:38 PM |
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OMG! This is just heartbreaking. |
pink-o |
Apr-18-10 07:39 PM |
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Please pass it on if this leads to a "Boycott Sonoma County Wines" campaign |
Ken Burch |
Apr-18-10 07:55 PM |
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OK, I'm getting confused... |
wygit |
Apr-18-10 09:08 PM |
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Links, But They Don't Offer Much More Information>>>>>>>>>> |
queerart |
Apr-18-10 09:24 PM |
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right, and even those are still quoting the same original story |
wygit |
Apr-18-10 09:43 PM |
#166 |
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The agenda item on the Board of Supervisors' schedule in November |
EFerrari |
Apr-19-10 02:20 AM |
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There's an update on the NCLR site ... |
wygit |
Apr-19-10 01:48 PM |
#193 |
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Another type of depraved indifference |
Samantha |
Apr-18-10 09:26 PM |
#164 |
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Here's another link that seems to work: |
Ken Burch |
Apr-18-10 09:45 PM |
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I want to know which heavy hammer attorney is going to take Clay's case pro bono. |
flvegan |
Apr-18-10 09:47 PM |
#168 |
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Interesting to me that in a story this horrible, that there are those who overlook the |
Number23 |
Apr-18-10 10:12 PM |
#171 |
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so sad commentary on the bigotry and racism of Americans... |
blueredneck |
Apr-18-10 10:13 PM |
#172 |
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Does Clay have a place to live now? |
Kali |
Apr-18-10 10:15 PM |
#173 |
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Damn them all to hell |
donheld |
Apr-18-10 10:50 PM |
#174 |
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Shameful. |
buckrogers1965 |
Apr-18-10 11:12 PM |
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How can this exist in a free nation? |
JackDragna |
Apr-18-10 11:41 PM |
#176 |
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Disgusting.. This is why religion is supposed to stay out of govt completely. |
glowing |
Apr-18-10 11:58 PM |
#177 |
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seeing as how... |
wygit |
Apr-19-10 03:05 PM |
#196 |
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Illinois, not Ohio. |
Ken Burch |
Apr-26-10 12:28 PM |
#203 |
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There are VERY few stories that make me physically ill anymore. |
dencol |
Apr-19-10 12:46 AM |
#178 |
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I only pray that these gentlemen live long enough to . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Apr-19-10 02:52 AM |
#183 |
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Harold passed away already. Iirc, three months after his fall. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-19-10 02:56 AM |
#184 |
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How CAN people be so cruel? |
beac |
Apr-19-10 07:40 AM |
#186 |
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Heartrending. |
pecwae |
Apr-19-10 08:47 AM |
#189 |
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Unfucking believable. |
muffin1 |
Apr-19-10 10:10 AM |
#192 |
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Kick |
Little Star |
Apr-19-10 05:54 PM |
#198 |
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more follow up reports |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Apr-30-10 01:43 AM |
#205 |
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Thanks. |
EFerrari |
Apr-30-10 03:19 AM |
#207 |
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my dad was gay and died at age 69. I have no words and falling tears. n/t |
sohndrsmith |
Apr-30-10 03:07 AM |
#206 |