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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 11:26 AM
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91. The line is clear. No sex with a 17 year old unless married to him or her.
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 12:00 PM by No Elephants
If the law said, "no sex with an immature 17 year old,' the law would be open to interpretation. "No sex with someone 17 unless it's your spouse" is not open to interpretation. It's a hard, bright line. Perfectly clear.

And this girl's parents consented only to this clown going away and not coming back. But, he went back anyway.

I find it interesting that no one has a problem with minimum age when it comes to getting married (whether parental consent is necessary or not) selling cigarettes to minors or serving booze to minors, only when it comes to sex.

Are we still operating under the myth hat men can't control themselves without being conscious of it?

This was not something done in the heat of passion. He had to ride 3000 miles in order to break the law.

Or are we going too far to rebel against our Puritannical past? That can't be it, or we'd be arguing about age when it comes to serving booze.

And a poster like Paulsby, who is so law and order that he never seems to have met a law he didn't like, or a shooting or a beating by a cop that wasn't totally justified, is up in arms about the arrest of this lawbreaker.

And the right wing, also law and order, never seems to find a useful rape law these days.

Not sure what accounts for these discrepancies, but observing them is interesting.

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  -Gilroy police: Canadian military man rode 3,000 miles to have sex with teen girl alp227  Apr-12-10 05:29 PM   #0 
  - Seriously?  XemaSab   Apr-12-10 05:31 PM   #1 
  - Lucky for teenage girls living where there are statutory rape laws ...  D-Lee   Apr-12-10 05:44 PM   #2 
  - imo, 17 is ridiculously old for stat rape laws  paulsby   Apr-12-10 05:56 PM   #4 
  - "Bitch set me up" n/t  24601   Apr-12-10 10:36 PM   #39 
  - lol nt  paulsby   Apr-12-10 11:05 PM   #42 
  - Canada's was recently raised to 16.  JBoy   Apr-13-10 09:18 AM   #74 
  - thank you  paulsby   Apr-13-10 12:24 PM   #96 
  - That's nuts - you could legally have sex with a 17yo, but go to jail for asking her  BR_Parkway   Apr-13-10 12:06 PM   #95 
     - not in california  paulsby   Apr-13-10 12:27 PM   #97 
     - The Older I Get, The More I Think That Any Man Who'd Ride 3k Miles To Get In My Pants  NashVegas   Apr-13-10 01:47 PM   #111 
  - I'm saying that it weakens the meaning of pedophilia  XemaSab   Apr-12-10 05:56 PM   #5 
     - I agree 17 year olds may make poor decision but know what they are doing.  bamacrat   Apr-12-10 06:57 PM   #12 
        - A line has to be drawn somewhere.  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:22 PM   #21 
        - A 17 yr old is not a child. This sounds more like Dad or Mom freaking out  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:27 PM   #23 
        - By law she is a MINOR. Parents be damned. This asshole  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:29 PM   #26 
           - This asshole? You know him personally?  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:30 PM   #28 
           - Anybody who would drive 3,000 miles to  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:34 PM   #30 
              - Anyone who would drive 3000 miles to see a girl sounds like a kid to me.  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:40 PM   #32 
              - "See" a girl? Way to downplays this guy's sick intentions.  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:47 PM   #33 
              - Sex between young people is sick? Okay.  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:49 PM   #34 
              - No. Sex between an adult and a minor is. n/t  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:54 PM   #36 
                 - I see.  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 11:36 PM   #45 
                 - You have a dirty mind..  pipoman   Apr-13-10 05:00 AM   #56 
                 - If finding sex between an adult and a minor to be sick makes  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 09:42 PM   #130 
                    - Yea, if you characterize a  pipoman   Apr-13-10 10:02 PM   #136 
                       - I'm shocked it took this long for somebody to makes the  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 10:12 PM   #140 
                          - If the shoe fits...  pipoman   Apr-13-10 10:27 PM   #142 
                          - That's what I thought...  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 10:30 PM   #143 
                          - There is zero evidence that this young women was abused in any way.  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 10:47 PM   #146 
                 - Letting laws decide your ethics is ridiculous.  Threedifferentones   Apr-13-10 09:09 AM   #73 
                 - It is 2010. Why are you talking about Homer?  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 09:46 PM   #131 
                    - "It is 2010. Why are you talking about Homer?" You could make up a lot of those  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 11:15 PM   #149 
                 - My, we've changed....  Lagomorph   Apr-13-10 10:02 PM   #137 
                 - 24 and 17?  CreekDog   Apr-14-10 01:44 PM   #163 
              - I am amused and sickened at the same time  Codeine   Apr-13-10 04:45 AM   #55 
              - I'm not talking about anywhere else in the civilized world. I live in the U.S.A.  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 09:51 PM   #132 
                 - "Child abuser"?  Codeine   Apr-13-10 10:23 PM   #141 
                    - I'm happy you are not a legislator.  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 10:31 PM   #144 
              - You have a strange definition of a "child abuser" or "sick intentions"  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 06:34 PM   #117 
                 - I don't approve of sex between an adult and a minor.  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 09:54 PM   #133 
                    - So if the age of consent in California was brought in line with 78%  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 11:12 PM   #148 
              - Right on brother  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 06:31 PM   #116 
              - Unless that person is ALSO a minor. n/t  Ian David   Apr-13-10 07:17 AM   #70 
           - So, it started when he was 20 and she was 13?  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:00 AM   #80 
              - You really should read the article  pipoman   Apr-13-10 01:23 PM   #105 
        - I was taking college classes at 17  Mojorabbit   Apr-13-10 03:59 AM   #53 
        - I was doing half day at high school, and a half day at college  snooper2   Apr-13-10 10:14 AM   #77 
        - 13 and 20 sounds a lot worse, doesn't it?  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:03 AM   #82 
        - How about when you were 13?  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:11 AM   #85 
        - You are right but 17 is too old.  bamacrat   Apr-13-10 08:55 AM   #72 
           - Send your recommendations to your congressman or congresswoman.  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 09:57 PM   #134 
              - Eh, I'd rather get pot legalized.  bamacrat   Apr-14-10 12:19 AM   #152 
              - Stop pretending law and ethics are the same  Threedifferentones   Apr-14-10 04:37 PM   #165 
        - According to Reply 74, it's now 16, not 14.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 10:59 AM   #79 
  - So pedophilia is OK if a kid is older than 11, "almost" an adult?  damntexdem   Apr-12-10 05:46 PM   #3 
  - Wait, what?  XemaSab   Apr-12-10 05:59 PM   #6 
  - Gilroy is known for its garlic festival.  eagertolearn   Apr-12-10 06:31 PM   #11 
     - I must admit, this is one post I did not expect to see in this thread.  rug   Apr-12-10 10:25 PM   #38 
  - But if an 18 year-old has sex with a 17 year-old, is he a pedophile?  villager   Apr-12-10 06:03 PM   #8 
  - It sounds like something a kid would do, doesn't it?  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 08:14 PM   #17 
  - Pedophilia is the attraction to pre-pubescent children.  foxfeet   Apr-12-10 07:09 PM   #13 
  - Apparently, he was first attracted to her when she was 13 and he was 20.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:02 AM   #81 
     - Still not pedophilia.  foxfeet   Apr-13-10 06:18 PM   #114 
  - He's only 24. HIs brain isn't even finished developing yet.  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 08:08 PM   #16 
  - Neither has her mind developed fully, which is the whole point of statutory rape laws.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:09 AM   #84 
  - You are embroidering. How do you know "he's been waiting" ?  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 10:51 PM   #147 
  - My Grandfather Married at 22  NashVegas   Apr-15-10 11:08 AM   #169 
  - Finally. A voice of reason in this twisted thread.  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 09:58 PM   #135 
     - Both of you need to look up the word to see what it means. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 10:42 PM   #145 
  - The contact started when she was 13, and he was 20.  boppers   Apr-12-10 06:10 PM   #9 
  - but there was no sexual contact then? So whats the point of your post?  provis99   Apr-13-10 01:24 AM   #51 
     - If you don't think it's creepy for a 20 to be grooming a 13, I don't know what to say.  boppers   Apr-13-10 05:04 AM   #57 
        - Never been on Facebook huh?  pipoman   Apr-13-10 05:15 AM   #59 
           - My god-daughters are on facebook.  boppers   Apr-13-10 05:21 AM   #60 
           - Ok grandma/pa  pipoman   Apr-13-10 05:31 AM   #62 
           - Congrats on your ignorance.  boppers   Apr-13-10 05:57 AM   #65 
           - Kids have always been stupid things  pipoman   Apr-13-10 06:19 AM   #66 
           - How about the online culture of 13 year olds and 20 year olds.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:14 AM   #86 
           - Notice there was no real contact or relationship at that point?  pipoman   Apr-13-10 01:11 PM   #100 
           - Is it just me or are people much more uptight than they were twenty years ago?  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 01:15 PM   #102 
              - I think they are more uptight than they have been  pipoman   Apr-13-10 01:19 PM   #103 
           - And maybe he wasn't at the time. You know that 13 year old girls  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 01:13 PM   #101 
           - My little sister couldn't stop laughing at me when she found out  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 06:46 PM   #119 
           - I didn't realize you were supervising and recording all of their contact  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 06:43 PM   #118 
           - No physical contact, or so they say. "The heart wants what it wants" Woody Allen.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:05 AM   #83 
              - You said "physical", not me, the article if you chose to read it  pipoman   Apr-13-10 01:28 PM   #106 
                 - Isn't that the plot to "Daddy Longlegs"?  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 01:34 PM   #108 
  - I agree with you here. Besides, a relationship that lasts that long  icee   Apr-12-10 08:04 PM   #14 
  - Damn that 13 year old, egging on a 20 year old for four years, until he could not help  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:17 AM   #87 
  - There is NOTHING suggesting that they have been doing this for four years.  Xithras   Apr-13-10 01:33 PM   #107 
  - I think you're going overboard in foul interpretation of that which  icee   Apr-13-10 03:15 PM   #113 
  - Where does it say they were in a relationship for the last four years?  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 06:54 PM   #120 
     - That "is" a relationship.  icee   Apr-13-10 11:34 PM   #150 
        - I am not in a relationship with 257 people  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 11:39 PM   #151 
        - Relationship is also "the way one feels about another", not simply  icee   Apr-14-10 08:20 AM   #158 
           - You're assuming quite a bit about me  tburnsten   Apr-14-10 01:20 PM   #160 
           - You didn't explain how you see me being in a relationship with  tburnsten   Apr-14-10 06:08 PM   #166 
        - They lost contact  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-14-10 04:14 AM   #154 
           - My initial post said simply "relationship". Subsequent posts  icee   Apr-14-10 08:08 AM   #157 
           - It's nice to know someone else on this board can read  tburnsten   Apr-14-10 01:24 PM   #161 
  - When I was 17, my boyfriend was 24.  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 08:06 PM   #15 
     - When I was 17  creeksneakers2   Apr-12-10 09:14 PM   #20 
     - When I was 17, there were a lot of guys coming back from Viet Nam  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:26 PM   #22 
     - What's his name, address & local police department? n/t  24601   Apr-12-10 10:38 PM   #40 
     - DU authoritarians untie!  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 11:38 PM   #46 
        - "untie", that's brilliant!  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 06:57 PM   #121 
           - It's a revision of an old joke, "Dyslexics untie!" for "unite". n/t  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 08:49 PM   #128 
     - When you were 13, was your boyfriend 20?  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:18 AM   #88 
        - Somewhere he was.  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 12:57 PM   #98 
           - owned  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 06:59 PM   #122 
  - Photo of Mr. DeBruyn  WillParkinson   Apr-12-10 06:01 PM   #7 
  - He looks like a Senators fan  Doctor_J   Apr-13-10 09:42 AM   #76 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-12-10 06:11 PM   #10 
  - So?  droidamus2   Apr-12-10 08:30 PM   #18 
  - Well said.  DeSwiss   Apr-12-10 08:56 PM   #19 
  - Comparing murder and sex with minors is kind of a stretch  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:28 PM   #24 
  - Less of a stretch than calling a 17 year old a child.  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:29 PM   #27 
  - 17 is a minor. Under 18 is a minor.  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:33 PM   #29 
     - So, what does that mean to you?  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:38 PM   #31 
     - I've said it several times. It means a line has been clearly drawn.  liquid diamond   Apr-12-10 09:53 PM   #35 
        - Okay.  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 11:36 PM   #44 
        - Yet the laws which were written were picked and chosen  The2ndWheel   Apr-13-10 05:22 AM   #61 
     - well, no. In some states, age of consent is 16.  provis99   Apr-13-10 01:23 AM   #50 
     - However, it would have been legal for them to marry with the parents' consent  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-13-10 04:37 AM   #54 
        - The line is clear. No sex with a 17 year old unless married to him or her.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:26 AM   #91 
           - I'd believe him if he said he didn't know it was illegal  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-13-10 01:20 PM   #104 
           - Gilroy is not a bastion of liberalism. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 01:35 PM   #109 
           - Thank you no elephants.  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 10:03 PM   #138 
  - Wrong comparison  droidamus2   Apr-13-10 12:53 AM   #49 
  - Are you assuming something is wrong with setting different minimum ages for  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:42 AM   #92 
     - You still haven't read the article have you?  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 07:16 PM   #123 
     - No  droidamus2   Apr-13-10 08:26 PM   #127 
  - "Comparing murder and sex with minors is kind of a stretch" WTF?  boppers   Apr-13-10 05:41 AM   #63 
     - Sure thing bub, consentual sex between a young adult and a 17 year old  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 07:19 PM   #124 
     - What are you talking about?  liquid diamond   Apr-13-10 10:07 PM   #139 
        - Some stats:  boppers   Apr-14-10 02:19 AM   #153 
           - If you don't see a major difference between a nine year old and a 17 year old  tburnsten   Apr-14-10 01:33 PM   #162 
              - Reading is fun!  boppers   Apr-14-10 11:27 PM   #168 
                 - I went by the median figure YOU posted  tburnsten   Apr-15-10 08:49 PM   #171 
  - No kidding. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-12-10 09:28 PM   #25 
  - Um, what about a 24 year old who breaks the law?  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:20 AM   #89 
  - You didn't bother to read the article did you?  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 07:20 PM   #125 
  - In most US states, this would have been perfectly legal.  Xithras   Apr-13-10 01:45 PM   #110 
  - Canadian Armed Forces?  onager   Apr-12-10 10:00 PM   #37 
  - And maple syrup grenades.  proteus_lives   Apr-12-10 11:31 PM   #43 
  - I guess Canada should spend as much as the US, huh?  time_has_come   Apr-13-10 12:14 AM   #47 
  - Which is why the Canadians could never have defeated  golfguru   Apr-13-10 02:55 AM   #52 
  - Oh, you'll do well here,  Dogtown   Apr-13-10 06:58 AM   #67 
  - Don't like him picking on your darling  tburnsten   Apr-13-10 07:22 PM   #126 
     - What are you going on about?  Dogtown   Apr-14-10 05:53 AM   #156 
  - Yeah, Canadians were NEVER there for any battle, eh?  Darth_Kitten   Apr-14-10 10:05 AM   #159 
     - I never said that Canadians never helped...I was replying to  golfguru   Apr-14-10 11:23 PM   #167 
        - I'm just being saucy.  Darth_Kitten   Apr-15-10 05:04 PM   #170 
  - A simple $ and population comparison is as simplistic as what you CLAIM an  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:51 AM   #94 
  - The only issue here is the age of the beaver.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:21 AM   #90 
  - Damn  guitar man   Apr-12-10 10:40 PM   #41 
  - If you were a 24 year old male,  ronnie624   Apr-13-10 12:40 AM   #48 
     - Yeah I guess I've forgotten  guitar man   Apr-13-10 08:04 AM   #71 
  - The paper should be ashamed  pipoman   Apr-13-10 05:08 AM   #58 
  - A true story  pipoman   Apr-13-10 05:44 AM   #64 
  - I think the age of consent should be whatever age you need to be to have a driver's license. n/t  Ian David   Apr-13-10 07:13 AM   #68 
  - That's really up to the state legislators and the people who elect them.  No Elephants   Apr-13-10 11:47 AM   #93 
  - What a fucking moron...  Ian David   Apr-13-10 07:16 AM   #69 
  - Please have a seat.  slackmaster   Apr-13-10 09:34 AM   #75 
  - As he's neither a priest nor a teacher...  LanternWaste   Apr-13-10 10:51 AM   #78 
  - The headline may be bullshit for all we know. Yeah, it sounds overblown to me.  EFerrari   Apr-13-10 01:07 PM   #99 
  - Strange responses in this thread - apparently it's akin to pedophilia  BR_Parkway   Apr-13-10 02:24 PM   #112 
  - A simple fact: sometimes the law is wrong. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-10 06:28 PM   #115 
     - We are so hung up on this 'sex' thing in this country...  hayu_lol   Apr-13-10 09:39 PM   #129 
        - I'd suggest 16. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-14-10 05:30 AM   #155 
           - that makes sense. we are all for the right to have an abortion at any age (mostly) but a 24 yr old  Divine Discontent   Apr-14-10 01:48 PM   #164 

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