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beckstcw Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 10:54 PM
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212. This isn't going to be very popular, but...
First off, watch the full, unedited one, without the political editorializing:

A little background is given in this one that is absent from the edited one. First off, the Apache's mission was to support that infantry platoon. A few minutes before the video starts, that platoon takes RPG and small arms fire in that vicinity, so the Apache is called up to find the guys doing it. Source: the 12th paragraph.

Our video starts. They see a large group of people, all adult males, several of whom are armed. You can see 2 AK's and at least one actual RPG around 3:30-3:45 . Next, they see a man peeking around the corner and pointing what looks like an RPG at the infantryman about four blocks away. Armed men? Check. Immediate threat to American lives? Check. They get permission to fire, and as soon as they have a shot, they take it.

(For what it's worth, the actions of this group of people are very suspicious looking, especially in a combat zone mere minutes after US forces have been fired on. Including having the RPG firer simply poke around the corner and fire while everyone else hangs back to avoid backblast. See here for a slightly humorous example: . Obviously one example does not a trend make, but I'm just bringing it to your attention)

Secondly, I have yet to see anyone say that the group of guys with the reporters were NOT insurgents. For extra emphasis, at 30:45 there is more small arms fire. At 31:10 you see guys with AK's and body armor running away from the area. There was DEFINITELY a battle going on in this area, something that Wikileaks biased editing job carefully omits.

It wouldn't be the first time that Reuters stringers were hanging out with insurgents for some good pictures. For instance, this picture:

Was taken by none other than Namir Noor-Eldeen, one of the photographers killed in this attack. Wonder how he got that? How about THIS one: /

Here, Namir is obviously standing about 10 feet away from insurgents as they commit an act of violence. I'm not passing judgement on him, I actually think it's good to have reporters as close as possible to the conflict, but I'm merely pointing out that hanging out with insurgents is something that Noor-Eldeen had been doing for a few years prior to his death.

Anyways, back to the video.

At 19:20, someone reports finding an RPG round.

At 32:54, someone asks if it's been defused yet, and is told "no, it's still live"

Even if everyone in Iraq has an AK, only the bad guys have RPG rounds. The discovery of an RPG round among the bodies makes me believe that Namir Noor-Eldeen was yet again hanging out with an insurgent group looking for great shots. He and the other photographer were almost certainly innocent of actual wrongdoing, but the armed men they were with were in all likelihood some of the ACTUAL insurgents who fired on US troops before the video started.

As for the van that was attacked, I'll admit that it's slightly sketchier, but I'll clarify that by noting that insurgents often clean up their own wounded, so an black van showing up with three or four adult men who immediately jump out and start aiding wounded insurgents is absolutely suspicious enough to make a case for engaging it. I don't know that I personally would have engaged that van, but I find in totally understandable that they did. Although, again, there's no proof that the men in the van weren't also insurgents, since the video leaves out a lot of context.

Yes, this video is disturbing simply for the sheer violence and immediate destruction. But think about it before mindlessly jumping to conclusions regarding what actually happened that day.
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  -Wikileaks video showing cover-up of murder of civilians and journalists through US forces in Iraq sabra  Apr-05-10 11:00 AM   #0 
  - to greatest  mikelgb   Apr-05-10 11:20 AM   #1 
  - IN A RELATED STORY fox news reports that all talking heads are safe, fair-skinned, and off-balanced  happygoluckytoyou   Apr-06-10 05:49 AM   #228 
  - For now  Doctor_J   Apr-06-10 12:00 PM   #267 
  - I hope those soldiers rot in hell. "Bushmaster"??? WOW nt  live love laugh   Apr-06-10 08:16 AM   #237 
     - I'm guessing that the "Bushmaster" ID was for the Bradley that was in the area...  MellonCollie   Apr-06-10 09:19 AM   #243 
  - When will the politicians stop killing? n/t  zalinda   Apr-05-10 11:26 AM   #2 
  - When enough of us find out what they are doing in our name, to act.  pundaint   Apr-05-10 02:23 PM   #57 
  - When they stop getting rich from it and getting off from it. nt  valerief   Apr-05-10 05:20 PM   #130 
  - The politicians will never stop killing. That's what they do.  cbdo2007   Apr-05-10 11:59 PM   #216 
  - When we put an end to patriarchy and its violence . . . . and that includes  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 07:29 PM   #280 
  - K&R. Again, as in the GD link, I recommend  Robb   Apr-05-10 11:29 AM   #3 
  - I can't bear to watch  spinbaby   Apr-05-10 11:42 AM   #6 
  - I tried but its telling me to log out of myh google?!  HillbillyBob   Apr-05-10 02:25 PM   #58 
  - you were spot on except your calculation did not take into account 9/11  jimlup   Apr-05-10 03:25 PM   #91 
     - 9/11 was part and parcel of the Bush planning for war: America's Reichstag Fire  Liberation Angel   Apr-05-10 04:13 PM   #114 
        - That's what I think as well.  FiveGoodMen   Apr-06-10 02:58 PM   #276 
        - +1000% -- MIHOP  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 07:31 PM   #281 
  - I can't watch it either.  myrna minx   Apr-05-10 02:33 PM   #62 
     - I watched the long version. It's in black and white and there are subtitles.  EFerrari   Apr-05-10 02:43 PM   #67 
     - .  myrna minx   Apr-05-10 03:13 PM   #85 
     - Me neither. I can't bear it.  tblue   Apr-05-10 03:04 PM   #76 
  - That was exactly how I watched it. So freakin sad. n/t  axollot   Apr-05-10 08:06 PM   #174 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-05-10 11:32 AM   #4 
  - That guy ducking behind building... was that an RPG? I am not defending the itchy trigger fingers  zonkers   Apr-05-10 11:40 AM   #5 
  - I don't know, I've just watched it once so far and can't stomach another go-throguh yet. However:  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 11:54 AM   #9 
  - It's a camera with a long lens, but it's not clear unless you look closely  jberryhill   Apr-05-10 12:28 PM   #18 
  - Given the muzzle velocity of a 20mm  snort   Apr-05-10 12:54 PM   #22 
  - Thanks to you and JBHill for explanations.  zonkers   Apr-05-10 12:58 PM   #25 
  - 30 mm chain gun, but you've got the idea.  ArcticFox   Apr-05-10 03:39 PM   #99 
  - it looked to me like the guy was out in front and he simply looked down the alley...  mike_c   Apr-05-10 12:58 PM   #24 
  - To my understanding there were reports of gunfire  skyounkin   Apr-05-10 03:32 PM   #95 
     - Is "to my understanding" newspeak for "I just pulled this out of my arse"?  liberation   Apr-05-10 08:42 PM   #189 
        - Yes. Also known as rationalization.  readmoreoften   Apr-05-10 09:07 PM   #196 
  - War is the pornography of violence.  Speciesamused   Apr-05-10 11:48 AM   #7 
  - You see clearly, friend.  ronnie624   Apr-06-10 07:48 AM   #234 
  - Yes . . . unbelievable that killing someone is now "disengaging" them . . . so video game like!!  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 11:06 AM   #251 
  - Jesus fucking christ. I just watched this and I am speechless  no limit   Apr-05-10 11:52 AM   #8 
  - Same reaction here.  MinneapolisMatt   Apr-05-10 11:54 AM   #10 
  - Sorry, i'm not stunned  German   Apr-05-10 01:28 PM   #34 
     - exactly  Amaya   Apr-05-10 04:59 PM   #126 
     - We have to stop this MIC....which also now controls our media --  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 11:07 AM   #252 
  - Same here. Speechless. Begging to fire on the van, BTW, when the two children are in...  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 11:56 AM   #11 
  - I saw no weapons associated with the van.  angrycarpenter   Apr-05-10 12:13 PM   #15 
  - Neither did I. The pilots LIED when they said they say people from the...  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 12:22 PM   #16 
  - + 1  heliarc   Apr-05-10 01:01 PM   #28 
  - And *that* is how new terrorists are created. Violence begets violence.  Roland99   Apr-06-10 07:59 AM   #235 
  - And these soldiers will be coming home . . ..  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 07:37 PM   #282 
  - I saw no weapons at all, period. None of the men had anything that looked like  mistertrickster   Apr-05-10 07:26 PM   #160 
     - One did look to be carrying something long and black  bhikkhu   Apr-05-10 08:27 PM   #182 
        - Bottom line is they killed innocent people -- in three attacks . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 11:22 AM   #256 
        - Yeah, I saw that too. But I also saw no forestock. Also it was too long and thin to be a rifle.  mistertrickster   Apr-06-10 12:30 PM   #271 
  - I am bothered by events in thie video  pasto76   Apr-05-10 01:45 PM   #39 
  - Thanks for your expert assessment of the video.  sabrina 1   Apr-05-10 02:35 PM   #63 
  - It sounds like they have been in too long, SGT.  EFerrari   Apr-05-10 02:42 PM   #66 
  - I am here right now  shedevil69taz   Apr-05-10 05:33 PM   #134 
  - CNN has it now, they only show the video up until the point of the RPG/photo lens  jakeXT   Apr-05-10 06:45 PM   #152 
  - oh ok  shedevil69taz   Apr-05-10 07:26 PM   #161 
  - maybe pilots do not require Positive ID?  pasto76   Apr-05-10 07:35 PM   #165 
  - shedevil,  Delphinus   Apr-06-10 05:48 AM   #227 
  - Exactly. And if they truly believed that the wounded man  kas125   Apr-05-10 11:40 PM   #214 
  - Any chance they are on drugs of some kind . . . speed?  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 07:43 PM   #283 
  - I feel ill. n/t  FedUpWithIt All   Apr-05-10 02:57 PM   #69 
  - Absolutely disgusting  ArcticFox   Apr-05-10 03:44 PM   #101 
  - I had my mouth open the whole time as I was watching it  Clintonista2   Apr-05-10 03:51 PM   #105 
  - so did i  barbtries   Apr-05-10 06:41 PM   #148 
     - I've been sending this video around to all of my friends today  Clintonista2   Apr-05-10 06:44 PM   #151 
     - Same here  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-05-10 08:58 PM   #193 
  - I guess people in Iraq, unlike those at Obama rallies, are not permitted to carry guns. Peace. nt  thereismore   Apr-05-10 04:19 PM   #117 
  - why are you surprised?  Amaya   Apr-05-10 04:58 PM   #124 
  - You should have been watching footage during the bush years..  butterfly77   Apr-05-10 07:41 PM   #170 
  - fucking pig bastards....  mike_c   Apr-05-10 11:59 AM   #12 
  - Marking to watch later  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-05-10 11:59 AM   #13 
  - Columbia Journalism Review: WikiLeaks Releases Video Showing Death of Reuters Staff  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 12:02 PM   #14 
  - ..and this was just once incident. How many more ...?  lib2DaBone   Apr-05-10 12:25 PM   #17 
  - I feel sick.  Dappleganger   Apr-05-10 12:31 PM   #19 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Apr-05-10 12:36 PM   #20 
  - Wikileak Tweet: Reuters 2008 statement on the failure of the US military to respond to FOIA request  Hissyspit   Apr-05-10 12:42 PM   #21 
  - KR Passed On To All I Know  we can do it   Apr-05-10 12:57 PM   #23 
  - K&R -- back later --  defendandprotect   Apr-05-10 12:58 PM   #26 
  - yes  lumpy   Apr-05-10 01:28 PM   #33 
     - This might have to wait til tomorrow . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-05-10 09:31 PM   #201 
  - Prosecute Bush et al....  xocet   Apr-05-10 01:00 PM   #27 
  - From what I see:  howmad1   Apr-05-10 07:46 PM   #172 
  - Republicon Pharisee Family Values  SpiralHawk   Apr-05-10 01:03 PM   #29 
  - Worse than Pharisee,  Enthusiast   Apr-05-10 02:45 PM   #68 
  - It's the foreign policy of both parties...  DutchLiberal   Apr-05-10 02:58 PM   #70 
  - omg, I feel sick watching that  McCamy Taylor   Apr-05-10 01:14 PM   #30 
  - I have been watching many WWII films/docs lately  Duer 157099   Apr-05-10 01:17 PM   #31 
  - It depends.  proteus_lives   Apr-05-10 02:10 PM   #52 
  - As to Guerrilla Warfare,  happyslug   Apr-05-10 08:47 PM   #191 
  - take it for what its worth  dem mba   Apr-05-10 08:44 PM   #190 
  - seems to me this will be used for recruitment on par with Abu Ghraib photos /nt  tomm2thumbs   Apr-05-10 01:19 PM   #32 
  - So why do we keep doing it? To support a crazed war industry and oil companies. BS.  grahamhgreen   Apr-05-10 01:46 PM   #40 
  - I think Wikileaks did the right thing by prepping for the release  Duer 157099   Apr-05-10 01:29 PM   #35 
  - Bloodthirsty bastards.  KansDem   Apr-05-10 01:36 PM   #36 
  - K&R  Eyerish   Apr-05-10 01:44 PM   #37 
  - Stop supporting murder and counterproductive wars!  grahamhgreen   Apr-05-10 01:45 PM   #38 
  - K & R - even though I haven't even tried to watch the video yet.  Raksha   Apr-05-10 01:46 PM   #41 
  - I am horrified beyond words. They were almost gleeful and happy about doing  secondwind   Apr-05-10 01:47 PM   #42 
  - "In the Spirit of Crazy horse"! NOT EXACTLY.  puebloknot   Apr-05-10 01:48 PM   #43 
  - I read the comments, I have not looked at the film.  Paper Roses   Apr-05-10 01:49 PM   #44 
  - Glenn Greenwald on MSNBC at 4pm EST to talk about the horrible new WikiLeaks video  Hissyspit   Apr-05-10 01:51 PM   #45 
  - Thanks for that info. In case you haven't seen this, you might be  Jefferson23   Apr-05-10 02:12 PM   #53 
  - I suppose we should still support the troops?...  truth2power   Apr-05-10 01:55 PM   #46 
  - Youtube comments are typically horrendous.  progressoid   Apr-05-10 01:57 PM   #47 
  - Have you ever  shedevil69taz   Apr-05-10 05:36 PM   #136 
     - My comments are always thoughful and intelligent!  progressoid   Apr-05-10 09:57 PM   #207 
        - Thanks  shedevil69taz   Apr-05-10 10:28 PM   #209 
  - A microcosm of the entire "war" in Iraq.  Old and In the Way   Apr-05-10 02:02 PM   #48 
  - +1  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 02:03 PM   #49 
  - Amen..  disillusioned73   Apr-05-10 03:06 PM   #82 
  - "I'm a war president!"  Enthusiast   Apr-05-10 03:20 PM   #89 
  - Hate that my first reaction was...  SnakeEyes   Apr-05-10 02:04 PM   #50 
  - A former neo-conservative...  oldironside   Apr-05-10 02:09 PM   #51 
  - I entirely agree as well. Thanks for that link. n/t  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 02:58 PM   #71 
  - Well, this is the one topic which we agree with the Libertarians.  Ruby the Liberal   Apr-05-10 03:03 PM   #74 
  - Thanks for posting....  disillusioned73   Apr-05-10 03:04 PM   #77 
  - Agree  ArcticFox   Apr-05-10 03:54 PM   #107 
  - 'Fraid so. And firing for dishonorable reasons  Ghost Dog   Apr-05-10 04:50 PM   #122 
  - Never mind  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-05-10 06:24 PM   #144 
  - Best read of the situation I've seen. Thanks for the post.  KeepItReal   Apr-05-10 08:11 PM   #179 
  - K&R n/t  Jefferson23   Apr-05-10 02:14 PM   #54 
  - The link doesn't appear to be working anylonger. nt  Javaman   Apr-05-10 02:21 PM   #55 
  - The site's got a lot of traffic  Chulanowa   Apr-05-10 02:27 PM   #61 
  - Dear God  florida08   Apr-05-10 02:22 PM   #56 
  - That's what you are prepared for  German   Apr-05-10 11:08 PM   #213 
     - I know..  florida08   Apr-06-10 10:44 AM   #248 
  - George W. Bush and Dick Cheney still walk free. American war criminals, America's shame.  pundaint   Apr-05-10 02:25 PM   #59 
  - This is the most heinous 17mins video  Hutzpa   Apr-05-10 02:26 PM   #60 
  - Heartbreaking  JohnnyHardhat   Apr-05-10 02:40 PM   #64 
  - I agree...  oldironside   Apr-05-10 03:11 PM   #84 
  - This is horrendous.  JDPriestly   Apr-05-10 02:41 PM   #65 
  - If fetuses were fighting this war, then the right to lifers would be there  tavalon   Apr-05-10 03:04 PM   #78 
  - I feel sick  Ruby the Liberal   Apr-05-10 03:01 PM   #72 
  - Not a single MSM page has this story  dballance   Apr-05-10 03:02 PM   #73 
  - MSNBC is reporting on this right now - I expect we'll hear some more tonight and tomorrow  sabra   Apr-05-10 03:04 PM   #75 
  - MSNBC will be covering it at 4 and Rachel has it on her blog.  Ruby the Liberal   Apr-05-10 03:04 PM   #79 
  - You got it.  Delphinus   Apr-06-10 06:02 AM   #230 
  - That's because it goes against the interest of the corporations which own them...  DutchLiberal   Apr-05-10 03:06 PM   #80 
  - So, how do we get this to grow legs?  tavalon   Apr-05-10 03:06 PM   #81 
  - This will be on every nightly news program in every major country in the world tonight.  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 03:10 PM   #83 
     - And Then You'll Wake Up.  jayfish   Apr-05-10 03:18 PM   #88 
     - Really? You really think this won't make that coverage? In the last HOUR this story has made the:  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 03:35 PM   #98 
        - This Is One Of Those Situations Where I Would Relish...  jayfish   Apr-05-10 03:46 PM   #102 
        - Where's the US coverage? This will go down the memory hole. n/t  truth2power   Apr-05-10 04:52 PM   #123 
        - Front page in the major Spanish press, including the video at their web sites.  Ghost Dog   Apr-05-10 06:00 PM   #139 
        - What's That I Heard?  jayfish   Apr-05-10 09:03 PM   #195 
        - Plus, Al Jazeera English is Broadcast all over the world  Turborama   Apr-05-10 09:28 PM   #200 
        - Poll_Blind  Diclotican   Apr-06-10 10:26 AM   #247 
        - Still Waiting...  jayfish   Apr-07-10 07:30 AM   #285 
     - Since the US isn't a major country any more, Big Media will black it out  Doctor_J   Apr-06-10 12:05 PM   #269 
  - This video is sick and almost makes me want to cry  taught_me_patience   Apr-05-10 03:17 PM   #86 
  - At the beginning, are they identifying the cameraman's cameras  lob1   Apr-05-10 03:17 PM   #87 
  - Yeah, that was my question too  jimlup   Apr-05-10 03:30 PM   #94 
  - That appears to be what happened  jberryhill   Apr-05-10 03:33 PM   #96 
     - Camera tripod? n/t  Duer 157099   Apr-05-10 04:07 PM   #110 
     - Interesting idea  jberryhill   Apr-05-10 05:32 PM   #133 
     - The cameras are incorrectly IDed as weapons.  ManiacJoe   Apr-05-10 07:40 PM   #169 
  - Sickening  Laughing Mirror   Apr-05-10 03:21 PM   #90 
  - Absolutely awful. How can you/anyone see that they're cameras? n/t  time_has_come   Apr-06-10 07:30 AM   #232 
     - That is the point. You can't see them.  ManiacJoe   Apr-06-10 11:52 AM   #264 
  - BBC: WikiLeaks posts 'killing' video  Turborama   Apr-05-10 03:26 PM   #92 
  - Wikileaks' Editor Julian Assange Discusses The "Collateral Murder" Video With Al Jazeera English  Turborama   Apr-05-10 03:29 PM   #93 
  - Seems like they really, really want to see those weapons.  Lars77   Apr-05-10 03:34 PM   #97 
  - This is, no doubt, why we blow up entire wedding entourages in Afghanistan.  Poll_Blind   Apr-05-10 03:43 PM   #100 
     - This is interesting..  Lars77   Apr-05-10 04:02 PM   #108 
        - Wikileaks' Editor described it really well to The Guardian in their article about this  Turborama   Apr-05-10 04:08 PM   #111 
  - Quite revealing  RoccoR5955   Apr-05-10 03:49 PM   #103 
  - I sincerely hope Reuters and the other news agency personnel who were deliberately targeted  Dover   Apr-05-10 03:50 PM   #104 
  - We killed journalists  lovuian   Apr-05-10 03:51 PM   #106 
  - And a lot of them. 30? 50? nt  thereismore   Apr-05-10 04:21 PM   #118 
     - I don't remember which article I was reading, but earlier  kas125   Apr-05-10 06:06 PM   #141 
        - Holy shit. nt  thereismore   Apr-06-10 09:15 AM   #242 
  - BBC are carrying it - news link  dipsydoodle   Apr-05-10 04:06 PM   #109 
  - Torches & Pitchforks!  green917   Apr-05-10 04:09 PM   #112 
  - Compare with WaPo version in 2007  Snazzy   Apr-05-10 04:09 PM   #113 
  - I watched the MSNBC segment on this  Duer 157099   Apr-05-10 04:15 PM   #115 
  - You can't blame the people involved...  MellonCollie   Apr-05-10 04:35 PM   #121 
  - If you "Support the troops" you can not be anti-war  arcadian   Apr-05-10 04:16 PM   #116 
  - We all have to stop blindly  pjt7   Apr-05-10 04:31 PM   #120 
  - Sorry no  shedevil69taz   Apr-05-10 06:04 PM   #140 
  - You are quite wrong in your comparison.  arcadian   Apr-05-10 06:19 PM   #142 
  - Maybe I was  shedevil69taz   Apr-05-10 06:25 PM   #145 
     - If I work in a factory that makes bombs.  arcadian   Apr-05-10 06:42 PM   #149 
        - Alcohol contributes directly to the death  shedevil69taz   Apr-05-10 07:11 PM   #157 
  - Nah... very poor analogy.  Iowa   Apr-06-10 02:23 AM   #221 
  - thats the dumbest thing Ive ever heard  pasto76   Apr-06-10 11:26 AM   # 
  - Need to watch this later.  closeupready   Apr-05-10 04:30 PM   #119 
  - MSNBC and Faux have this on their front page finally. No word from CNN though.  Ruby the Liberal   Apr-05-10 04:58 PM   #125 
  - I know I'm going to be flamed to hell and back for this..  KDLarsen   Apr-05-10 05:00 PM   #127 
  - excuses excuses n/t  subsuelo   Apr-05-10 05:13 PM   #129 
  - Once they mis-ID'd the camera as a weapon...  jberryhill   Apr-05-10 05:38 PM   #137 
  - At that point, it appears the cameramen were doomed. The van shoudn't have had the same fate.  KeepItReal   Apr-05-10 08:32 PM   #183 
  - They were CAMERAS not WEAPONS  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-05-10 06:29 PM   #146 
  - Yeah, no shit  jberryhill   Apr-05-10 07:23 PM   #159 
  - If this was another country  joycean   Apr-05-10 06:57 PM   #153 
  - "I know I'm going to be flamed to hell and back for this.." .... and yet...  liberation   Apr-05-10 08:08 PM   #177 
  - Reuters (the camermen's employer) says there were others with weapons  KeepItReal   Apr-05-10 08:19 PM   #180 
  - So what?  Progressive Cancer   Apr-06-10 03:45 AM   #223 
  - They killed a father by attacking an innocent civilian truck.  chrisa   Apr-05-10 09:01 PM   #194 
  - RoE vs Geneva Conventions  Progressive Cancer   Apr-06-10 03:40 AM   #222 
  - KandR  Dystopian   Apr-05-10 05:02 PM   #128 
  - And they claim release of Abu Ghraib photos will make people hate us. It's the KILLING, stupid.  No Elephants   Apr-05-10 05:23 PM   #131 
  -, where's it appearing on the effing corporate media here in the US?  truth2power   Apr-05-10 05:26 PM   #132 
  - I cannot watch this. Bookmarking for some time I might, but this horrifies me  AllyCat   Apr-05-10 05:35 PM   #135 
  - Anti-war protests at Obama appearances. Make him feel as uncomfortable as  change_notfinetuning   Apr-05-10 08:07 PM   #176 
     - Right . . . we've been very kind to Democrats re anti-war demonstrations/4 years now!!  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 11:10 AM   #253 
  - Were there any weapons?  naaman fletcher   Apr-05-10 05:59 PM   #138 
  - Possibly one RPG at 3:10 or so.  ManiacJoe   Apr-05-10 07:46 PM   #171 
  - Assuming all that were true..  SnakeEyes   Apr-05-10 08:38 PM   #185 
  - I blame the chain of command from the very top down  AzNick   Apr-05-10 06:21 PM   #143 
  - Without question one of the most gripping, mindnumbing  cachukis   Apr-05-10 06:31 PM   #147 
  - Who or what.  Ruby the Liberal   Apr-05-10 07:35 PM   #166 
  - We are the Death Star. n/t  PassingFair   Apr-06-10 11:39 AM   #260 
  - The Pentagon has confirmed that this video is real.  joycean   Apr-05-10 06:42 PM   #150 
  - Iraq is & was a Soverign Nation  pjt7   Apr-05-10 07:00 PM   #154 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-05-10 07:08 PM   #155 
  - Shoot first. Cover up later. Sadly, this is being done in our name, and if  change_notfinetuning   Apr-05-10 07:09 PM   #156 
  - You have it half right.  Pavulon   Apr-05-10 07:17 PM   #158 
  - You're right. I stand corrected. It's just that I expect even less from Congress.  change_notfinetuning   Apr-05-10 07:50 PM   #173 
  - It will be interesting to see if the administration acknowledges this.  Ruby the Liberal   Apr-05-10 07:38 PM   #167 
  - I am sure they will be "deeply disappointed" or something like that  liberation   Apr-05-10 08:38 PM   #186 
  - Guys, do you ever get so angry that you cry?  choie   Apr-06-10 10:55 AM   #250 
     - Exactly. There is no defense, and if it were Bush, everyone would be screaming,  change_notfinetuning   Apr-06-10 11:16 AM   #255 
  - Evil cowards.  Prometheus Bound   Apr-05-10 07:30 PM   #162 
  - That makes me sick. How can people do that-- murder so casually?  Politicub   Apr-05-10 07:31 PM   #163 
  - Thanks for posting that...horrible as it was to watch. n/t  bhikkhu   Apr-05-10 07:34 PM   #164 
  - that wasn't rules of engagement  MichaelHarris   Apr-05-10 07:38 PM   #168 
  - Exactly.  bhikkhu   Apr-05-10 08:23 PM   #181 
  - Sadly enough  mangeydog democrat   Apr-05-10 08:06 PM   #175 
  - Welcome to DU, Mangey!  PassingFair   Apr-06-10 12:03 PM   #268 
  - THIS is what our tax dollars are going to?  ScottLand   Apr-05-10 08:10 PM   #178 
  - The men in washington who ordered and paid for this? Get that right folks  Pavulon   Apr-05-10 09:40 PM   #203 
  - CTV coverage in Canada.  polly7   Apr-05-10 08:34 PM   #184 
  - The Pentagon says "U.S. troops acted appropriately".  Prometheus Bound   Apr-05-10 09:07 PM   #197 
     - Pentagon now is in service of military corporations . . . that's all that counts . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 11:12 AM   #254 
  - Kick for truth.  New Dawn   Apr-05-10 08:39 PM   #187 
  - Sickening. n/t  OhioChick   Apr-05-10 08:40 PM   #188 
  - Clear evidence of war crimes.  chrisa   Apr-05-10 08:56 PM   #192 
  - Nope, just bad foreign policy  Pavulon   Apr-05-10 09:45 PM   #205 
  - It is a stain of shame  newspeak   Apr-05-10 09:12 PM   #198 
  - I don't know...  SnakeEyes   Apr-05-10 09:27 PM   #199 
  - Way more to this story  Brooklyns_Finest   Apr-05-10 09:32 PM   #202 
  - More than likely it was not  newspeak   Apr-05-10 09:57 PM   #206 
  - The same General who got it wrong about Tillman got it wrong about who killed the women here too.  pundaint   Apr-05-10 09:41 PM   #204 
  - Just once...  Gumbyman2   Apr-05-10 10:15 PM   #208 
  - That is exactly what struck me as I was watching the video.  johnroshan   Apr-06-10 12:20 AM   #217 
  - it seems, the standard procedure is the coverup  German   Apr-05-10 10:38 PM   #210 
  - Here's the vid  ericinne   Apr-05-10 10:49 PM   #211 
  - This isn't going to be very popular, but...  beckstcw   Apr-05-10 10:54 PM   #212 
  - Hard to imagine if that bloody BS happened in the U.S...  Amonester   Apr-05-10 11:41 PM   #215 
  - No doubt?  Progressive Cancer   Apr-06-10 04:42 AM   #224 
  - I wonder where the pilot's bloodthirsty chatter fits in your defense?  Vinnie From Indy   Apr-06-10 08:28 AM   #239 
  - Pentagon has convinced these young men, it's all a video game . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 11:29 AM   #258 
  - Even if everything you say is true, I'm just curious if you think our 7 - 8 years  change_notfinetuning   Apr-06-10 08:53 AM   #240 
  - "creating a lot more enemies, while making the United States and the world less safe"  Ghost Dog   Apr-06-10 12:27 PM   #270 
  - +1000% -- absolutely!  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 06:13 PM   #278 
  - Amy Goodman video with Assange and Greenwald makes clear not true . .  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 11:26 AM   #257 
  - Like people want to know what's true. C'mon! And, believe it or not, I am an  change_notfinetuning   Apr-06-10 12:42 PM   #273 
     - Agree . . . however, DU should have the truth, whether they want it or not ....  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 06:26 PM   #279 
  - That's supposed to be an RPG?  ShannonBC   Apr-06-10 02:02 PM   #274 
  - Chopper out of range of an RPG  ShannonBC   Apr-06-10 02:07 PM   #275 
  - ...makes you wonder what the view from a drone camera is like  bhikkhu   Apr-06-10 01:07 AM   #218 
  - ... And such material, video and audio, will all be stored in some Pentagon database  Ghost Dog   Apr-06-10 12:31 PM   #272 
  - Leaked U.S. video shows deaths of Reuters' Iraqi staffers  KeepItReal   Apr-06-10 01:11 AM   #219 
  - Wikileaks Update: US mil investigation doc is 'junk;' people avoiding talking of attack on van  Hissyspit   Apr-06-10 01:16 AM   #220 
  - "strawmanning camera/rpg confusion as the issue"  MellonCollie   Apr-06-10 04:44 AM   #225 
  - The best of the best: Defending our Freedom (tm)  panzerfaust   Apr-06-10 04:56 AM   #226 
  - Maybe worth appending here what Sen. Ron Paul & followers  Ghost Dog   Apr-06-10 05:58 AM   #229 
  - K & R nt  Christa   Apr-06-10 06:11 AM   #231 
  - It's Not Enough  yellowwood   Apr-06-10 07:45 AM   #233 
  - "We all must unite to keep another stupid war like this from occurring"  FiveGoodMen   Apr-06-10 03:03 PM   #277 
  - this is being shown on every main news broadcast in Australia and  Swagman   Apr-06-10 08:15 AM   #236 
  - Sigh. nt  amyrose2712   Apr-06-10 08:18 AM   #238 
  - That was fucking murder  hellsbeagle   Apr-06-10 09:04 AM   #241 
  - I bet that happens on a daily bases...  and-justice-for-all   Apr-06-10 09:30 AM   #244 
  - My heart could not bear to watch it. I am glad you all are and hope you can do something about it.  earcandle   Apr-06-10 09:46 AM   #245 
  - The drone warfare currently being conducted is no different than this.  avaistheone1   Apr-06-10 09:55 AM   #246 
  - So sad.  FourScore   Apr-06-10 10:53 AM   #249 
  - If this were in the US itself  brettjv   Apr-06-10 11:36 AM   #259 
  - At 3:43 in the video it looks like those men are carrying weapons.  citizen snips   Apr-06-10 11:41 AM   #261 
     - The Weekly Standard??????  jayfish   Apr-06-10 11:46 AM   #262 
     - the video is still the same as the one youtube.  citizen snips   Apr-06-10 11:49 AM   #263 
        - So You Don't Endorse The WS Snowjob That Accompanies The Video?  jayfish   Apr-06-10 11:54 AM   #265 
           - I am not giving money to the weekly standard  citizen snips   Apr-06-10 11:56 AM   #266 
     - Baloney . . . and the soldier/murderers are BEGGING for the wounded man crawling ......  defendandprotect   Apr-06-10 07:46 PM   #284 
     - "Carrying a weapon" is not a crime punishable by death, even in Iraq  jman0   Apr-07-10 09:08 AM   #286 

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