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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 10:47 AM
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48. Certainly in the broad scheme of things we are "the naked apes"
and can firmly be placed among the great apes, even though we belong to the hominidae line. But "human exceptionalism" does exist biologically; speciation occurs when interbreeding between a group and the original population ends, either due to choice or physical incompatibility. Since no two great ape species (humans, chimps, gorillas. etc) interbreed, or are even capable of doing so, we all meet the definition of separate species.

On the intelligence issue, I remember a quote by an anthropologist who said "It remains to be seen whether higher intelligence will end up being an evolutionary advantage or yet another evolutionary dead end."
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  -Missing link between humans and apes found Juche  Apr-04-10 03:05 AM   #0 
  - There's already loads of evidence for evolution.  harry_pothead   Apr-04-10 03:20 AM   #1 
  - TeaBaggers ARE the missing link  FreakinDJ   Apr-04-10 06:01 AM   #10 
     - More accurately,  quaker bill   Apr-04-10 07:18 AM   #16 
     - I prefer to think that they are a branch unrelated to the branch  tblue37   Apr-04-10 08:49 AM   #25 
     - Rush Limbaugh?  FarLeftFist   Apr-04-10 11:04 AM   #52 
        - I think you've nailed it!  Zambero   Apr-04-10 12:00 PM   #62 
     - Teabaggers are the "missing link" between  Bigmack   Apr-04-10 11:07 AM   #53 
     - or maybe defective mutant n/t  AlphaCentauri   Apr-04-10 12:15 PM   #63 
     - also known as homo hillbillius. nt  Lorien   Apr-04-10 12:42 PM   #65 
     - LOL. Homo Hillbillyus  Tutankhamun   Apr-04-10 08:55 PM   #82 
     - LOL! Good one!  Raksha   Apr-04-10 09:44 PM   #84 
     - Thanks for the early-morning laugh!  tango-tee   Apr-05-10 01:24 AM   #89 
     - Please  awoke_in_2003   Apr-04-10 03:05 PM   #74 
  - At first I thought that this was just another post  BlueMTexpat   Apr-04-10 03:25 AM   #2 
  - no no no no no  upi402   Apr-04-10 03:36 AM   #3 
  - Ahh yess...  Jim Sagle   Apr-04-10 03:44 AM   #4 
  - First creature that came to my mind.  No Elephants   Apr-04-10 03:54 AM   #6 
  - that's insulting the chimp!  feslen   Apr-04-10 09:35 AM   #32 
  - Neat.  sagat   Apr-04-10 03:51 AM   #5 
  - ...  UpInArms   Apr-04-10 07:12 AM   #15 
  - Dickeus Cheneypithicus, perhaps? . . . n/t  OneBlueSky   Apr-04-10 03:58 AM   #7 
  - ... that one is of the cold-blooded lizard species...  Myrina   Apr-04-10 10:37 AM   #44 
  - Title of article is misleading. Find is not a "missing link" between apes and humans.  Garbo 2004   Apr-04-10 04:23 AM   #8 
  - +1  BumRushDaShow   Apr-04-10 05:24 AM   #9 
  - Yes  edhopper   Apr-04-10 12:35 PM   #64 
  - My thoughts as well  14thColony   Apr-04-10 06:27 AM   #12 
  - Probably there is only one ebcause the one we belong to was more agressive and murderous than its  tblue37   Apr-04-10 08:52 AM   #26 
  - Interesting proposition  14thColony   Apr-04-10 10:32 AM   #42 
  - I think  pipoman   Apr-05-10 07:04 AM   #91 
  - That depends on your definitions of 'human' and 'ape'  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-04-10 07:29 AM   #17 
  - important to remember also  wial   Apr-04-10 08:03 AM   #20 
  - There's no evidence for this, actually  Chulanowa   Apr-04-10 09:58 PM   #86 
  - Humans are cousins of Apes, not monkeys.  and-justice-for-all   Apr-04-10 10:43 AM   #46 
     - And would you call that common ancestor an ape?  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-04-10 11:02 AM   #51 
  - correct  wial   Apr-04-10 07:57 AM   #19 
  - mangled science...ugh  Aleric   Apr-04-10 08:58 AM   #27 
  - there is no fucking debate  Kali   Apr-04-10 10:36 AM   #43 
  - How can there be a missing link?  protocol rv   Apr-04-10 10:23 AM   #38 
  - If anyone's asking me, humans ARE apes.  hunter   Apr-04-10 10:31 AM   #40 
     - Certainly in the broad scheme of things we are "the naked apes"  14thColony   Apr-04-10 10:47 AM   #48 
     - "Our ancestors were apes, our descendants will be apes, therefore we are apes."  Teaser   Apr-04-10 10:55 AM   #49 
     - there is plenty of justification for Homo...  mike_c   Apr-04-10 01:01 PM   #67 
  - My first thought was that it was going to be another story about the actual missing link  47of74   Apr-04-10 06:04 AM   #11 
  - +100  smirkymonkey   Apr-05-10 08:39 AM   #93 
  - Like Rocky said to Bullwinkle, "Again?!"  deutsey   Apr-04-10 07:00 AM   #13 
  - Natasha, yes Boris, Moose and Squirrel are smoking reefer!  Lost4words   Apr-04-10 08:09 AM   #22 
  - Curly n/t  wilt the stilt   Apr-04-10 07:01 AM   #14 
  - I've read a very interesting book by one of the discoverers of Little Foot.  Odin2005   Apr-04-10 07:34 AM   #18 
  - self delete, thanks  Lost4words   Apr-04-10 08:06 AM   #21 
  - I was so surprised when I saw what it was -- I thought they were going to say  tpsbmam   Apr-04-10 08:25 AM   #23 
  - More accurately; evidence of another species between humans and apes found  stray cat   Apr-04-10 08:48 AM   #24 
  - MISSING?  Jackpine Radical   Apr-04-10 09:01 AM   #28 
  - We've known about the Australopithicenes for some time now.  DailyGrind51   Apr-04-10 09:02 AM   #29 
  - They won't be able to teach it in Texas for fear of another Scopes monkey trial  MajorChode   Apr-04-10 09:35 AM   #31 
  - Mrs. Pies? nt  Voice for Peace   Apr-04-10 09:26 AM   #30 
  - There is no "missing" link.  AlbertCat   Apr-04-10 09:46 AM   #33 
  - Beat me to it. 100 years later, they're still using this misleading term  jgraz   Apr-04-10 10:31 AM   #41 
  - Technically so. Once they find it, it's no longer missing.  Bucky   Apr-04-10 11:14 AM   #55 
  - This sounds more like it's more about politics than science  starroute   Apr-04-10 09:46 AM   #34 
  - There's no such thing as a missing link  uberllama42   Apr-04-10 10:06 AM   #35 
  - The conservatives already beat us to the missing link. They found him and nominated him 10 years ago  Bucky   Apr-04-10 10:11 AM   #36 
  - That was Homo Please Don't Erectus.  RedCloud   Apr-04-10 10:22 AM   #37 
  - Letting your enthusiasm override your reason a tad, aren't you, Juche?  Joe Chi Minh   Apr-04-10 10:31 AM   #39 
  - That's the Telegraph's headline, not Juche's  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-04-10 11:09 AM   #54 
     - So, it is, Muriel. What I said to Juche evidently applies to Richard Gray,  Joe Chi Minh   Apr-04-10 11:35 AM   #58 
  - There are more than enough of a fossil history  and-justice-for-all   Apr-04-10 10:41 AM   #45 
  - Law is meaningless in scientific terms  comrade snarky   Apr-04-10 02:11 PM   #72 
     - Theory is as good as it gets.  AlbertCat   Apr-04-10 05:44 PM   #80 
     - I will have to disagree...nt  and-justice-for-all   Apr-06-10 09:45 AM   #95 
        - Maybe I can explain what I mean a little better  comrade snarky   Apr-06-10 02:35 PM   #98 
  - Wow, the Telegraph butchers another science story  EvolveOrConvolve   Apr-04-10 10:45 AM   #47 
  - Yep, "missing link" is a trap.  wickerwoman   Apr-04-10 05:35 PM   #78 
  - Isn't finding Sarah Palin enough?  anachro1   Apr-04-10 11:01 AM   #50 
  - Funny, I thought the missing link was going to be members of Free Republic  Taverner   Apr-04-10 11:15 AM   #56 
  - He's left handed, so he can't be a member of FR  alfredo   Apr-04-10 08:02 PM   #81 
  - Rush?  vssmith   Apr-04-10 11:28 AM   #57 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-10 11:39 AM   #59 
  - Keep it down,  Ticonderoga   Apr-04-10 11:44 AM   #60 
  - Other recent detections  Zambero   Apr-04-10 11:56 AM   #61 
  - All fossils are transitional forms or "links" - there isn't one in particular that is missing  D23MIURG23   Apr-04-10 12:47 PM   #66 
  - I like to think of it as a big hairy tree.  hunter   Apr-04-10 01:08 PM   #68 
     - For a second I thought you meant the primate.  D23MIURG23   Apr-04-10 11:35 PM   #88 
  - So Planet of the Apes was right  lovuian   Apr-04-10 01:16 PM   #69 
  - Missing link  CrisisPapers   Apr-04-10 01:24 PM   #70 
  - Sarah Palin?  Joey Liberal   Apr-04-10 01:30 PM   #71 
  - Wasillius Palinii? It actually precedes the apes!  Zambero   Apr-04-10 03:53 PM   #75 
     - Wasillius Palinii - hahahaha  Joey Liberal   Apr-05-10 04:58 PM   #94 
  - I attended a lecture by Professor Lee Berger  tabatha   Apr-04-10 02:42 PM   #73 
  - That's the author of the book I mentioned above. Thanks!  Odin2005   Apr-04-10 04:38 PM   #76 
  - Think we're hybrids . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 05:11 PM   #77 
  - Missing link...heh, heh  MilesColtrane   Apr-04-10 05:41 PM   #79 
  - Want to see a Picture.  Optimistic   Apr-04-10 08:58 PM   #83 
  - It's a myth that evolution says humans are descended from "apes."  Honeycombe8   Apr-04-10 09:54 PM   #85 
  - A chimp is an ape too  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-06-10 10:11 AM   #96 
  - Posted the article to my facebook...  sheldon   Apr-04-10 10:22 PM   #87 
  - You mean, missing link between old apes and older apes. Humans are separate, created in God's image.  Kablooie   Apr-05-10 05:22 AM   #90 
  - I thought that George Bush was the missing link between apes and humans.  totodeinhere   Apr-05-10 07:21 AM   #92 
  - Here's a pricture of the missing link delivering a Fox News commentary  Elmore Furth   Apr-06-10 11:06 AM   #97 
  - Dr Simon Underdown  underpants   Apr-06-10 05:12 PM   #99 
  - I believe its name was Curly  Old Troop   Apr-06-10 07:59 PM   #100 
  - speciation  sludlig   Apr-16-10 04:25 PM   #101 
 

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