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Mon Mar-15-10 04:27 AM
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| 14. rofl not talking about movies dude, talking about real life |
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hell ive had my brakes glowing so bright my partner thought i was on fire....  |
| -Report: Test can't re-create 'runaway' Prius |
JI7 |
Mar-15-10 01:17 AM |
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That test only works on a hardware malfunction |
DJ13 |
Mar-15-10 01:21 AM |
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Says you nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Mar-15-10 01:22 AM |
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Yeah, says me who isnt worried about protecting a corporation |
DJ13 |
Mar-15-10 01:26 AM |
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Read it and weep...I guess you drive a car made by a coop? |
Dreamer Tatum |
Mar-15-10 01:27 AM |
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You're right, its all a sham |
DJ13 |
Mar-15-10 01:31 AM |
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Nope, not ALL a sham. Just a lot of it. nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Mar-15-10 01:56 AM |
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The ABC report was pretty well gutted here |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Mar-15-10 05:22 AM |
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You don't accept the fact that there will be some scam artists out there? |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Mar-15-10 04:46 AM |
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Look up the definition of scam. What does this driver gain from this |
harun |
Mar-15-10 08:14 AM |
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He's not going to sue NOW. |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Mar-15-10 04:59 PM |
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So you're a fucking mechanic. CHP says they believe the guy........... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 08:44 AM |
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The NHTSA says there was not significant brake wear...the CHP does not do this |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Mar-15-10 12:43 PM |
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The same CHP... |
splatshot |
Mar-17-10 10:57 PM |
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Software will also fail repeatedly if the conditions are reproduced |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Mar-15-10 05:15 AM |
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I was a software test engineer for a whil |
MARALE |
Mar-15-10 08:59 AM |
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Wouldn't the chances of reproducing a problem increase |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:53 AM |
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Sometimes the issue with software is |
MARALE |
Mar-15-10 01:21 PM |
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That is why software can not use the serial hardware reliability model |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Mar-15-10 12:41 PM |
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Give the teach a gold star... |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 04:45 PM |
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My bias is for process rigor not tabloid self righteousness |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Mar-15-10 07:50 PM |
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Software can never use a hardware statistical model because the population size is one (1) v. a |
jody |
Mar-16-10 08:02 AM |
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software glitches |
rickford66 |
Mar-18-10 08:18 AM |
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Definitely repeatable. |
Mithreal |
Mar-15-10 04:32 AM |
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Pruis Drives Need to Know How Their Car Works |
PuppyBismark |
Mar-15-10 09:18 AM |
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I think there should probably be a standard key |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 04:27 PM |
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Don't know about that ... |
Nihil |
Mar-16-10 07:26 AM |
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The policeman that stopped the runaway Prius said he could see the brakes |
lob1 |
Mar-15-10 01:27 AM |
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ill take the cops word for it, but i have seen a car with smoking brakes |
vadawg |
Mar-15-10 02:24 AM |
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movies don't count |
Mithreal |
Mar-15-10 04:26 AM |
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rofl not talking about movies dude, talking about real life |
vadawg |
Mar-15-10 04:27 AM |
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Many years ago |
FlaGranny |
Mar-15-10 04:39 AM |
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your chevy's gear selector |
awoke_in_2003 |
Mar-15-10 10:28 AM |
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I have read that examination of the brakes did not support the driver's statements |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Mar-15-10 05:16 AM |
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as i said upthread, i can pretty much make my brakes red hot and burning |
vadawg |
Mar-15-10 05:33 AM |
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Actually, the investigation CONFIRMED that the brakes were worn down. |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 11:06 AM |
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The brakes were worn down because he was too cheap to put in new pads |
d.gibbs |
Mar-15-10 04:26 PM |
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Maybe these events are satelite driven at random, just because they can? |
earcandle |
Mar-15-10 01:27 AM |
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An extremely long shot. |
splatshot |
Mar-17-10 11:08 PM |
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Mike McConnell's plane went down because someone messed with the computer inside the engine. |
earcandle |
Mar-18-10 09:59 AM |
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That exactly what I was saying!!! |
CreekDog |
Mar-15-10 03:00 AM |
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BUT lookie here.... |
Tx4obama |
Mar-15-10 03:27 AM |
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well, SOMETHING's wrong with a lot of these cars . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Mar-15-10 04:09 AM |
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There are 117 cars on the |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 07:02 AM |
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TURN THE KEY TO OFF (not lock) and put the vehicle in neutral........ |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 08:52 AM |
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This is the one fault |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 09:58 AM |
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Okay, you got me. I have never driven a Prius or known anyone......... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 10:13 AM |
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Again I ask |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:22 AM |
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Logically, would it benefit Toyota to NOT recall their cars? |
enlightenment |
Mar-15-10 10:26 AM |
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Mar-15-10 10:46 AM |
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Lexus has the same issue...push-button start which you can't just "turn off." |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 10:37 AM |
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Thank you for the clarity. |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 10:50 AM |
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I don't disagree with this. |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 11:27 AM |
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A: You are not an expert. B: You keep failing to acknowledge......... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 11:38 AM |
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Maybe Ford is acknowledging the problem and not lying and stonewalling? |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 11:47 AM |
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God, finally someone that maybe can get through. |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 11:49 AM |
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Uh, no, there is no recall that I can find on Lincoln Town car for UA |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 12:15 PM |
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Mar-15-10 12:24 PM |
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Mar-15-10 12:59 PM |
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"Most" cars use the drive by wire system nowadays. I am somewhat.......... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 11:47 AM |
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No...Sikes was/is lying. |
splatshot |
Mar-17-10 11:15 PM |
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It would appear that |
joshdawg |
Mar-15-10 04:56 AM |
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Typical response from mechanics... |
Blue Gardener |
Mar-15-10 05:40 AM |
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"we can't figure out what's wrong unless it happens when we have the car" . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Mar-15-10 11:06 AM |
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Driver error |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 05:53 AM |
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That's just dumb. |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 06:00 AM |
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No, the belief that Toyota could hide the cause is dumb |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 06:05 AM |
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great point |
stuart68 |
Mar-15-10 06:50 AM |
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Is that the same woman who sold her |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 06:57 AM |
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Thus is the nature of RANDOM occurrences. |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 10:39 AM |
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Thus is the nature of human error too, no? |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:49 AM |
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Randomness happens |
eilen |
Mar-15-10 08:06 PM |
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Two issues: random occurrence, and the fact the burned-out brakes. |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 08:06 AM |
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I think the fact that almost every make and model |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 08:31 AM |
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So you know all about the new all-electronic systems in the Prius? |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 09:41 AM |
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No, I don't know anything about the Prius |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 09:53 AM |
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The car is virtually ALL electronic! Don't you get that? |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 10:29 AM |
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Only the Prius, this is about far more than just the Prius |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:44 AM |
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Repetition of some anomalies isn't so easy. |
Daemonaquila |
Mar-15-10 10:48 AM |
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But the larger issue, |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 11:08 AM |
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Combined that you really do not know what you are talking about........... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 12:27 PM |
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You are the one who is a shade tree mechanic |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 01:07 PM |
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Whoo, hoo................. I am fucking impressed. Midas, huh? |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 02:55 PM |
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Toyota is forced to prove the unprovable |
stuart68 |
Mar-15-10 06:54 AM |
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Precisely |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 06:58 AM |
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That's precisely why they will absolutely positively fit the "brake over-ride" feature... |
Tesha |
Mar-15-10 08:58 AM |
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Wait a minute--Toyota ALREADY annolunced a "fix" for its sudden acceleration problems... |
Romulox |
Mar-15-10 09:51 AM |
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You MUST have a lot of stock in Toyota and a certified mechanic too. |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 09:05 AM |
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I do have a strong automotive background |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 09:14 AM |
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The only driver error is panic. Why panic if "nothing" happened? |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 09:28 AM |
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I never claimed to be an expert, |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 09:42 AM |
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Mar-15-10 09:59 AM |
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Mar-15-10 09:38 AM |
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I just went for a joy ride in mine...however, my intention was to just back out the driveway (joke) |
deacon |
Mar-15-10 07:15 AM |
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Not Surprised |
erpowers |
Mar-15-10 07:22 AM |
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delete |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 09:48 AM |
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The EMERGENCY BRAKE is just that...an override of the ELECTRONIC brakes in a Prius. |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 09:48 AM |
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Years ago a had an suv that would stop dead without warning. It happened a |
madmom |
Mar-15-10 08:27 AM |
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Simplistic test, and simplistic expectation. |
One_Life_To_Give |
Mar-15-10 08:30 AM |
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But |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 08:52 AM |
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While some are Human Error |
One_Life_To_Give |
Mar-15-10 12:33 PM |
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How often does a |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 01:21 PM |
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I Told You A Few Days Ago |
DallasNE |
Mar-15-10 08:39 AM |
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Why wouldn't they be in "there" normal positions? |
Roland99 |
Mar-15-10 09:03 AM |
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Since it's an ELECTRONIC problem, the position of the pedals would have no bearing |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 09:52 AM |
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Exactly! I can't tell you how many times I've not been able to reproduce software or hardware errors |
Roland99 |
Mar-15-10 10:14 AM |
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A Quick Google |
DallasNE |
Mar-15-10 10:15 AM |
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I don't believe Toyota's "own words" for a moment. |
Atman |
Mar-15-10 10:23 AM |
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This specific instance seems pretty bogus |
high density |
Mar-15-10 09:02 AM |
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I can text at a hundred. |
Skink |
Mar-15-10 09:26 AM |
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But, can you grab that lit roach between your legs??? |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 09:48 AM |
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do that first am I right ? |
Skink |
Mar-15-10 10:02 PM |
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You indeed are a professional, I salute you! |
pattmarty |
Mar-16-10 08:33 AM |
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54 people dead, and they can't recreate ANY of it so far. What does this prove? |
Romulox |
Mar-15-10 09:50 AM |
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Uh, no |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:01 AM |
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OK, but nothing in the OP proves that point, or any other point. |
Romulox |
Mar-15-10 10:06 AM |
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They have been ordered to fix a problem |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:11 AM |
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You're confusing the word "problem" with the word "cause".... |
Romulox |
Mar-15-10 10:16 AM |
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Why can nobody |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:36 AM |
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Wait just a minute--what were those shims about if nobody can discern any problem? |
Romulox |
Mar-15-10 10:44 AM |
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They were/are being pressed |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 10:57 AM |
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So is every tortfeasor--that's not good enough. nt |
Romulox |
Mar-15-10 11:08 AM |
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Why don't you answer the question about the "phony" fix? Has the........... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 12:18 PM |
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Well, you're the "expert", why don't you give us some of your................... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 12:15 PM |
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If there is such a syndrome |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 01:14 PM |
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Look expert, you seem to have the minority opinion here, Toyotaman. |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 02:58 PM |
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Therefore I have to be wrong huh? |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 03:44 PM |
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Well, at least I actually worked on cars and got my hands dirty and...... |
pattmarty |
Mar-15-10 07:25 PM |
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Mar-15-10 07:32 PM |
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Mar-15-10 12:20 PM |
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I thought there was something hinky about this story from the beginning |
DebbieCDC |
Mar-15-10 12:45 PM |
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Recreate it by putting a guy behind the wheel who's in debt and wants to scam a corporation. |
Kablooie |
Mar-15-10 12:52 PM |
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The obvious answer. n/t |
Psephos |
Mar-15-10 11:43 PM |
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If it's a software bug, software bugs can be notoriously difficult... |
Silent3 |
Mar-15-10 02:19 PM |
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I can see your point |
pipoman |
Mar-15-10 04:33 PM |
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When I first heard of this story |
Magleetis |
Mar-15-10 02:42 PM |
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The guy didn't maintain his brakes and let them go bad |
d.gibbs |
Mar-15-10 04:25 PM |
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Not sure about this particular incident.... |
Fastcars |
Mar-15-10 05:47 PM |
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This reminds me of the defect in the 737 rudder system |
AngryAmish |
Mar-16-10 08:42 AM |
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I LOVE my Prius- best car ever and I fill it up every 2 weeks or so |
SoCalDemGrrl |
Mar-18-10 01:29 AM |
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