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jokerman93

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Fri Mar-19-04 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #76

95. You are completely correct

Missionary forces have been used as a tool of colonial occupation for hundreds of years. This tactic is well documented, and there's plenty of scholarship to back you up. Religion is always in the tool kit of conquerers and the western corporations who have entered foreign countries to get hold of natural resources. Importing Jeezuz is equal to importing the values of the capitalist conquistadors. It creates an ambiguity of loyalties. It breaks down the integrity of the native value system. It's a means of cultural and social pacification -- psychological Operations pure and simple.

I'm at work and don't have the references. Sorry. If anyone is interested, please email me.

I also agree with you that these so-called missionaries are sitting ducks. On the other hand, I also believe these people want to bring it on -- the eschatological fervor is growing feverish and hysterical among the Dominionists. They expect and want lots of dead christians at the hands of the unsaved. Persecution is their primary means of self-validation.

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- Believe me, no missionaries are into the business of forcing anyone	Roaming	Mar-19-04 11:25 AM	#96
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- Let's look at this more closely then...	Roaming	Mar-19-04 04:43 PM	#120
- That John passage is a bit of a reach	TrogL	Mar-19-04 04:58 PM	#121
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- This is the worst possible thing that could happen	TrogL	Mar-18-04 06:08 PM	#50
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- You're quite right	Sandpiper	Mar-19-04 06:41 PM	#137
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- It holds gallons of water	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-19-04 10:39 AM	#91
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- for a specific example of the difference, see	EdGy	Mar-19-04 03:14 PM	#115
- Stop flogging your Straw Man Muddle	Sandpiper	Mar-19-04 06:48 PM	#138
- We are not IMPOSING missionaries	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-19-04 08:39 PM	#141
- LOL	number6	Mar-19-04 09:30 PM	#148
- Not at all	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-19-04 10:28 PM	#153
- Lacking a democratic process	dai	Mar-21-04 10:25 AM	#161
- So if I vacation in Iraq	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-21-04 10:33 AM	#163
- While you may consider yourself	dai	Mar-21-04 10:51 AM	#166
- My callous disregard for Iraqis?	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-21-04 02:58 PM	#172
- What you do in Iraq	dai	Mar-21-04 05:58 PM	#179
- Iraqi rights	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-21-04 06:18 PM	#180
- <sigh>	Aussie_Hillbilly	Mar-18-04 08:50 PM	#58
- Allah	kera	Mar-18-04 08:55 PM	#60
- Good. I hope they all go to proselytize in a war zone	leesa	Mar-18-04 09:40 PM	#61
- I Am Christian But...	goclark	Mar-18-04 10:27 PM	#62
- Calling for the death of people	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-18-04 10:58 PM	#69
- I'm calling for their deaths? THEY are doing it, I say good for them.	leesa	Mar-19-04 09:45 AM	#85
- Here are the vile words	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-19-04 09:56 AM	#88
- I thought it was calling for their "eternal life."	TheStranger	Mar-19-04 11:39 AM	#99
- How progressive of you to support Religious Imperialism	Sandpiper	Mar-19-04 05:47 PM	#129
- Imperialism	oldcoot	Mar-19-04 06:37 PM	#136
- It is up to them	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-19-04 08:43 PM	#142
- Nations have rules	oldcoot	Mar-21-04 10:35 AM	#164
- holy war anyone?	renegade000	Mar-18-04 10:53 PM	#64
- a joke	kera	Mar-18-04 10:57 PM	#68
- Christ, Conquistadores and Missionaries	leftbehind	Mar-19-04 12:19 AM	#70
- Comment on the Churches in Iraq	TrogL	Mar-19-04 12:21 AM	#71
- Good	jsw_81	Mar-19-04 03:05 AM	#72
- I'm with you.	mirandawright	Mar-19-04 08:47 PM	#143
- Bye Bye!	Rockholm	Mar-19-04 07:19 AM	#77
- Do you realize how these people put our soldiers in JEOPARDY??	Mari333	Mar-19-04 07:28 AM	#78
- but Bush sees them as part of the occupation forces	EdGy	Mar-19-04 07:40 AM	#79
- One of their own pulled the same ploy on our troops	Axel	Mar-19-04 11:50 AM	#102
- Exactly right--and first thoughts to rush to	savistocate	Mar-19-04 06:02 PM	#131
- some background on these sorry fools:	ima_sinnic	Mar-19-04 07:53 AM	#80
- The muslim world is very aware of these idiots and what they are doing	Mari333	Mar-19-04 08:02 AM	#81
- and don't forget this: www.TheocracyWatch.org	ithacan	Mar-19-04 03:31 PM	#116
- I posted a link to that in another thread on the 4 fundies that got killed	Chovexani	Mar-19-04 08:38 PM	#140
- Here's one sap	looking glass	Mar-19-04 04:14 PM	#118
- don't be fooled, here's what it's really about:	EdGy	Mar-19-04 04:36 PM	#119
- It's bad timing.	Bridget Burke	Mar-19-04 05:53 PM	#130
- Urban Legend	oldcoot	Mar-19-04 06:09 PM	#132
- Good! Now the insurgents can attack these SOB's and stop assaulting.....	PROGRESSIVE1	Mar-19-04 10:16 PM	#150
- Wow	Muddleoftheroad	Mar-19-04 10:29 PM	#154
- If the missionaries want to help...	varun	Mar-19-04 10:39 PM	#155
- Shame on the Evangelists	ck4829	Mar-21-04 08:42 AM	#157
- Here's one of their funny web sites	Joanne98	Mar-21-04 11:53 AM	#168
- After the Missionaries are chased out....	Axel	Mar-21-04 01:58 PM	#169

Reply #95: You are completely correct [View All]