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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 07:43 PM
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61. There has been no court case because women are technically not excluded from subs...
Edited on Tue Feb-23-10 07:47 PM by Shipwack
Sea story/scuttlebutt here, take it with a shaker of salt...

I was told once during some equal opportunity training (or something) that when the commission for integrating women into the Navy was in session, the subject of toilet facilities came up. One submariner proposed that a ship could not be integrated unless there were sufficient bathroom facilities for all. Everyone agreed that this was a good metric to use, and it was adopted (among others).

However, even on the largest (SSBN/SSGN) submarines, the amount of toilets,showers, etc don't even meet the minimum habitability standards for even male sailors. Basically, there are 5 or 6 toilets for about 100 men, and 4 showers. Navy requirements require more than that for even "male only" vessels.

So since then, every two years the commission meets to discuss which class of ships gets integrated next, and when the subject of submarines comes up, the representative from the sub community sadly shakes his head and goes "not yet".

True or BS? *shrug* Not sure, to be honest, but it sounds plausible.

(edited to add)As for myself, I have always been in favor of anything that helped my sea/shore rotation, so I'd be ok with this, as long as the officers and chiefs enforced good order and discipline for -all- the crew.
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