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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 06:13 PM
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68. He won't run for a second term
the Right won't vote for him because of his race, the Left won't vote for him because of the betrayal. Independents are not centrists; they're Greens, Libertarians, Socialists, teabaggers, agnostic conservatives, Baptist tree huggers, apolitical know nothings, and anyone else who doesn't identify with either party.
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  -Obama Says Hes Fierce Free-Market Advocate, Rejects Critics TomClash  Feb-11-10 07:55 AM   #0 
  - .  AngryAmish   Feb-11-10 07:57 AM   #1 
  - "The irony is, is that on the left we are perceived as being in the pockets of big business; and  groovedaddy   Feb-11-10 07:59 AM   #2 
  - This is the type of statement you make  TomClash   Feb-11-10 08:00 AM   #3 
  - he goes on to say he is pro-business, meaning the left is correct....  tomp   Feb-11-10 09:00 AM   #13 
     - Yep. He doesn't even try to hide it.  Iowa   Feb-11-10 02:38 PM   #52 
        - He is just rowing for himself, to keep the job for 8 years  yava   Feb-11-10 04:53 PM   #57 
           - He won't run for a second term  Lorien   Feb-11-10 06:13 PM   #68 
              - he WILL run for a 2nd term & he will win  maxsolomon   Feb-11-10 06:38 PM   #71 
                 - I agree with part of what you're saying...  Iowa   Feb-11-10 08:44 PM   #74 
                 - so you didn't vote for Clinton?  maxsolomon   Feb-12-10 11:30 AM   #86 
                 - I don't think so  depakid   Feb-12-10 09:03 AM   #79 
                    - Unemployment will probably be much worse in 2012 than it is now  barb162   Feb-12-10 09:31 AM   #81 
                       - The administration's own projections for 2012 are 8.2%  depakid   Feb-12-10 09:53 AM   #83 
                          - I bet one of these months they'll be revising those optimistic numbers downward.  barb162   Feb-12-10 12:10 PM   #87 
  - When is he going to figure out that the conservatives are trying to get  Joanne98   Feb-11-10 08:16 AM   #4 
  - He figures we have nowhere else to go  TomClash   Feb-11-10 08:21 AM   #5 
  - He fully understands that. There isn't very much for him to figure out at all.  Better Believe It   Feb-11-10 08:27 AM   #6 
     - He's already said he is not thinking about re-election  marshall   Feb-11-10 02:16 PM   #50 
        - I seriously don't think that he'll run for a second term  Lorien   Feb-11-10 06:08 PM   #67 
           - When is the last time we had a presdient who chose not to run for a second term?  marshall   Feb-11-10 07:39 PM   #72 
              - LBJ did run, but he withdrew when Robert Kennedy entered the race  theothersnippywshrub   Feb-11-10 08:08 PM   #73 
  - Great!!  Celebration   Feb-11-10 08:32 AM   #7 
  - Bingo!  earthside   Feb-11-10 08:47 AM   #12 
  - You know exactly what you're getting - Republican free market philosophy.  change_notfinetuning   Feb-11-10 09:17 AM   #17 
  - You're getting screwed. n/t  dgibby   Feb-11-10 09:32 AM   #21 
  - Plus the public option, plus anti-trust exemptions in health care  Juche   Feb-11-10 10:33 AM   #31 
  - 1000% ++  defendandprotect   Feb-11-10 11:19 AM   #37 
  - Yes. Corporations are people now. They should pay our tax rate  Doctor_J   Feb-12-10 09:21 AM   #80 
  - Another "centrist" is the last thing we need in this world...  scentopine   Feb-11-10 08:33 AM   #8 
  - I'm Just Glad He's Telling the Truth About Being a "Fierce Advocate" For SOMEthing.  Toasterlad   Feb-11-10 08:37 AM   #9 
  - Zing! n/t  earthside   Feb-11-10 02:45 PM   #53 
  - Yep, it's just bad that it wasn't for the public option  Lorien   Feb-11-10 06:06 PM   #66 
  - good definition of centrist!  pberq   Feb-11-10 09:14 AM   #16 
  - this article explains in detail how he got there  Mari333   Feb-11-10 08:39 AM   #10 
  - Thanks for posting this. It was very informative, but damn discouraging.  olegramps   Feb-11-10 09:26 AM   #19 
     - Yes, because as we all know, there is no better progressive economic example than Hillary Clinton.  HughBeaumont   Feb-11-10 12:15 PM   #44 
  - Why is he trying to push me away?....  Bigmack   Feb-11-10 08:45 AM   #11 
  - that is the question. it is so obvious where his interests lie...  tomp   Feb-11-10 09:02 AM   #14 
  - Vote third party  Lorien   Feb-11-10 06:01 PM   #65 
  - Obaam endorses outsourcing and offshoring....what else is new? nt  msongs   Feb-11-10 09:12 AM   #15 
  - I missed those endorsements. I think he does believe in the value of trade and knows that China  pampango   Feb-11-10 09:29 AM   #20 
     - He won't force China into anything  TomClash   Feb-11-10 09:45 AM   #22 
        - We have leverage on each other. The EU and US are their biggest markets which they need,  pampango   Feb-11-10 09:59 AM   #27 
  - The first step is admitting you've got a problem. This is a problem. For the  change_notfinetuning   Feb-11-10 09:22 AM   #18 
  - I hope he's as much of a fierce advocate on this as he is for gay rights..  MessiahRp   Feb-11-10 09:46 AM   #23 
  - There are no free markets when the balance is tilted toward business.  mbperrin   Feb-11-10 09:52 AM   #24 
  - Free markets? Free for who?  L0oniX   Feb-11-10 09:55 AM   #25 
  - Mega corporations  Abq_Sarah   Feb-11-10 11:39 AM   #41 
  - I agree with the president. The free market is the best way.  robcon   Feb-11-10 09:57 AM   #26 
  - We aren't a free market. We are a plutocracy  Juche   Feb-11-10 10:41 AM   #33 
  - There is no "free enterprise" except for the wealthy ...  defendandprotect   Feb-11-10 11:23 AM   #38 
  - getting rid of huge inequalities is the best way to world peace....  dysfunctional press   Feb-11-10 05:42 PM   #60 
  - Which is why we're killing people for their oil? nt  Lorien   Feb-11-10 05:48 PM   #61 
  - I have only one thing to say:  Hell Hath No Fury   Feb-11-10 10:09 AM   #28 
  - Let me join you  Lorien   Feb-11-10 05:59 PM   #64 
  - but...but...but  seabeckind   Feb-11-10 10:19 AM   #29 
  - "So exactly what was it that made these jobs go away in the first place?" - Not trade.  pampango   Feb-11-10 10:36 AM   #32 
     - We should be more like Greece.  WriteDown   Feb-11-10 11:23 AM   #39 
     - Amazing that we know that, but seemingly Obama and the Dems don't... !!???  defendandprotect   Feb-11-10 11:30 AM   #40 
     - Yeah, NAFTA has been great for jobs!  gulfcoastliberal   Feb-11-10 11:52 AM   #42 
        - Yeah, we should never have let China join NAFTA!?!? Little ol' Mexico is really cleaning our clock?  pampango   Feb-11-10 02:23 PM   #51 
           - Your EU schtick is stale; the Union is presently facing an economic crisis.  Romulox   Feb-11-10 05:06 PM   #59 
              - We wouldn't want to learn anything from the experiences of other countries, would we?  pampango   Feb-11-10 06:14 PM   #69 
                 - Right, but you are advocating we follow the example of an economic union that is currently in chaos  Romulox   Feb-12-10 07:17 AM   #76 
                    - Indeed the EU has problems, particularly at the moment. Governments there are more progressive  pampango   Feb-12-10 08:30 AM   #78 
                       - Um, could you get back on topic--we were discussing your advocacy for neoliberalism, "free trade"  Romulox   Feb-12-10 11:26 AM   #85 
  - Corporate profits tripled in the last decade. 0 net jobs were created  Juche   Feb-11-10 10:27 AM   #30 
  - Maybe instituting a REAL progressive tax structure in our country will cure things.  HughBeaumont   Feb-11-10 12:18 PM   #45 
  - There is business and then there is business.  Jakes Progress   Feb-11-10 10:44 AM   #34 
  - There's an easy solution to his dilemma.  burning rain   Feb-11-10 10:48 AM   #35 
  - Welfare for the Rich -- Free Enterprise for the Poor -- !!  defendandprotect   Feb-11-10 11:17 AM   #36 
  - Just more corporate welfare & private suffering. Somehow it seems familiar.  Vidar   Feb-11-10 12:02 PM   #43 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-10 12:47 PM   #46 
  - Thank you for saying this!  Goldfish   Feb-11-10 01:56 PM   #47 
  - Well said Bvar22! nt  Lorien   Feb-11-10 05:49 PM   #62 
  - Excellent, thanks for this - nt  scentopine   Feb-11-10 10:03 PM   #75 
  - Yeah, this fuckin' free market WTO NAFTA bullshit has just done wonders for Americans.  Zorra   Feb-11-10 01:58 PM   #48 
  - I'm confused.  Solly Mack   Feb-11-10 02:14 PM   #49 
  - Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss.  Odin2005   Feb-11-10 02:55 PM   #54 
  - The only thing Obama is a fierce advocate for is Obama.  DebbieCDC   Feb-11-10 03:01 PM   #55 
  - How about a little price negotiation for Medicare drugs?  chasmj   Feb-11-10 03:11 PM   #56 
  - No. that would help the people, which doesn't help profit the "free market."  Lorien   Feb-11-10 05:58 PM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-11-10 04:54 PM   #58 
  - The irony is, is that on the left we are perceived as being in the pockets of big business  Smashcut   Feb-11-10 06:24 PM   #70 
  - Isn't this the first time he has supported anything in a 'fierce' manner?  JCMach1   Feb-12-10 07:59 AM   #77 
  - I'm with the presdient. I'm a fierce free market advocate, too.  robcon   Feb-12-10 09:34 AM   #82 
  - MIT professor Simon Johnson to Obama: You still don't get it  depakid   Feb-12-10 09:55 AM   #84 

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