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79. New scanners break child porn laws (The Guardian)
New scanners break child porn laws

Alan Travis, home affairs editor
guardian.co.uk, Monday 4 January 2010 22.14 GMT


The rapid introduction of full body scanners at British airports threatens to breach child protection laws which ban the creation of indecent images of children, the Guardian has learned.

Privacy campaigners claim the images created by the machines are so graphic they amount to "virtual strip-searching" and have called for safeguards to protect the privacy of passengers involved.

Ministers now face having to exempt under 18s from the scans or face the delays of introducing new legislation to ensure airport security staff do not commit offences under child pornography laws.

They also face demands from civil liberties groups for safeguards to ensure that images from the 80,000 scanners, including those of celebrities, do not end up on the internet. The Department for Transport confirmed that the "child porn" problem was among the "legal and operational issues" now under discussion in Whitehall after Gordon Brown's announcement on Sunday that he wanted to see their "gradual" introduction at British airports.

A 12-month trial at Manchester airport of scanners which reveal naked images of passengers including their genitalia and breast enlargements, only went ahead last month after under-18s were exempted.

The decision followed a warning from Terri Dowty, of Action for Rights of Children, that the scanners could breach the Protection of Children Act 1978, under which it is illegal to create an indecent image or a "pseudo-image" of a child.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/04/new-scan...
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  -Air passengers who refuse a full body scan to be barred from their flights The Sushi Bandit  Feb-01-10 05:45 PM   #0 
  - We should just all fly naked. n/t  Blue_In_AK   Feb-01-10 05:46 PM   #1 
  - Except the kids which are easier to manipulate the younger they get  lostinseganet1   Feb-01-10 06:33 PM   #17 
  - Well duh.  timeforpeace   Feb-01-10 05:49 PM   #2 
  - Sounds okay to me.  tabasco   Feb-01-10 05:51 PM   #3 
  - Pedophiles will love doing the scan on children  IndianaGreen   Feb-01-10 07:03 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-01-10 08:33 PM   #29 
  - What an incredibly...  TeaBagsAreForCups   Feb-01-10 09:59 PM   #32 
  - Read my sig line  Cronus Protagonist   Feb-01-10 10:02 PM   #33 
  - Ah, yes. The ole "I' was only kidding " cop out.  No Elephants   Feb-02-10 01:12 AM   #47 
     - Surely you can discern when someone's not serious.  Cronus Protagonist   Feb-02-10 09:10 AM   #62 
  - I second your opinion teabags! n/t  Michigan-Arizona   Feb-01-10 11:57 PM   #44 
  - Rant on this for a while  saigon68   Feb-02-10 06:22 AM   #59 
  - Really?  Cronus Protagonist   Feb-02-10 09:12 AM   #63 
  - New scanners break child porn laws (The Guardian)  IndianaGreen   Feb-02-10 06:44 PM   #79 
  - How many work for TSA?  LanternWaste   Feb-02-10 02:49 PM   #73 
  - lots of people's SOs get on planes every day  Bill McBlueState   Feb-01-10 10:36 PM   #37 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-02-10 06:55 AM   #60 
  - frankly, Foucault should be required reading by the 10th grade... nt  MisterP   Feb-01-10 05:51 PM   #4 
  - Z  tabasco   Feb-01-10 06:00 PM   #8 
  - Tabasco snores.  carla   Feb-01-10 06:20 PM   #15 
  - I'd consider that child abuse.  EFerrari   Feb-01-10 10:09 PM   #34 
  - The only way to go to England now is by train.  GoneOffShore   Feb-01-10 05:55 PM   #5 
  - ?  Knight Hawk   Feb-01-10 07:49 PM   #27 
  - Which is a hell of a train ride from most continents.  No Elephants   Feb-02-10 01:14 AM   #48 
  - Trains could be next.  diamidue   Feb-02-10 06:41 PM   #78 
  - Real tough call...  Yurovsky   Feb-01-10 05:55 PM   #6 
  - So what's the point?  rachael7   Feb-01-10 06:07 PM   #12 
  - exactly  Bill McBlueState   Feb-02-10 09:26 AM   #64 
  - "the Fruit-of-KaBoom bomber"!!!  KamaAina   Feb-02-10 05:47 PM   #76 
  - Fine. How about baggage handlers, service crews, flight crews, etc.?  tanyev   Feb-01-10 05:59 PM   #7 
  - I say that each passenger gets to see a full body scan of the people doing the screening. nt  Lorien   Feb-01-10 06:02 PM   #9 
  - Why? They are not the "deciders." They just need a paycheck.  No Elephants   Feb-02-10 01:16 AM   #49 
  - Flight crews get spot checked just as passengers do. I am retired flight crew  flyarm   Feb-02-10 01:31 AM   #55 
     - That's the SSSS stamp.  Manifestor_of_Light   Feb-02-10 01:43 AM   #56 
        - well I didn't want to name the stamp..but there are Variations of the S's. eom  flyarm   Feb-02-10 09:40 AM   #68 
  - Hooray for mandatory strip searches!  laconicsax   Feb-01-10 06:02 PM   #10 
  - Suddenly - all airport terror suspects are 19 years old and leggy...  Matariki   Feb-01-10 06:07 PM   #11 
  - Eggzackly.  smoogatz   Feb-01-10 07:25 PM   #24 
  - In some states, there may be a huge diffference between 19 and 16.  No Elephants   Feb-02-10 01:18 AM   #50 
  - Because all body scanners are 20 year males or perverts?  No Elephants   Feb-02-10 01:19 AM   #52 
     - So  smoogatz   Feb-02-10 09:40 AM   #67 
  - Orwell was right  Orlancolon   Feb-01-10 06:07 PM   #13 
  - Cancel my Reservation. n/t  Downwinder   Feb-01-10 06:18 PM   #14 
  - Wanna see my scan? Ok, just don't blame me if your eyes bleed.  foxfeet   Feb-01-10 06:22 PM   #16 
  - @ foxfeet  ceveritt   Feb-01-10 10:53 PM   #38 
  - I was thinking similarly, but after my scan they might vow celibacy. LOL. n/t  blueworld   Feb-02-10 07:55 AM   #61 
  - I'd Worry More About Radiation Dosages  Demeter   Feb-01-10 06:53 PM   #18 
  - A big concern  diamidue   Feb-02-10 06:24 PM   #77 
  - Haven't flown since 2001  Sherman A1   Feb-01-10 06:55 PM   #19 
  - ditto but I have been on a watch list since 99.  Skink   Feb-02-10 12:00 AM   #45 
  - Fuck it. I'm not flying anywhere unless I'm ordered to by work.  Canuckistanian   Feb-01-10 07:00 PM   #20 
  - In the images used for that article it appears that the man's calf bones are visible.  Gormy Cuss   Feb-01-10 07:12 PM   #22 
  - I noticed that too  daleo   Feb-01-10 09:17 PM   #30 
  - Actually;  greiner3   Feb-01-10 07:17 PM   #23 
  - That's about what I was thinking of.  JoeyT   Feb-01-10 08:25 PM   #28 
  - It's more original than my idea of getting more piercings.  jmm   Feb-01-10 11:15 PM   #41 
  - Hey, Marv, check out the clit ring in lane three.  smoogatz   Feb-01-10 07:30 PM   #25 
  - I'll wear my foil underwear - yea, I know 'leftovers again?!!'  tomm2thumbs   Feb-01-10 07:47 PM   #26 
  - Say it ain't so. This is being briefed by Transport Secretary Lord Adonis??????  Stinky The Clown   Feb-01-10 09:18 PM   #31 
  - Like the airlines aren't having enough trouble already.  EFerrari   Feb-01-10 10:10 PM   #35 
  - So, I have what might be a silly question...  nolabear   Feb-01-10 10:24 PM   #36 
  - It would be nice  Bill McBlueState   Feb-01-10 11:01 PM   #39 
  - I would be packing a sock or 3 in my trousers from now on  PfcHammer   Feb-01-10 11:06 PM   #40 
  - ya like you weren't already  Skittles   Feb-01-10 11:22 PM   #42 
  - Be easier with a marrow and a couple of red cabbages.  dipsydoodle   Feb-02-10 05:47 AM   #58 
  - I think it would also be nice to get a complimentary prostate screening wif  PfcHammer   Feb-02-10 01:56 PM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-01-10 11:22 PM   #43 
  - I pity the agent...  rayofreason   Feb-02-10 01:02 AM   #46 
  - WHY???  The Sushi Bandit   Feb-02-10 01:49 PM   #69 
  - Anyone still willing to submit to this...  winyanstaz   Feb-02-10 01:19 AM   #51 
  - A breathlyzer if I want to keep driving? What about my privacy!  boppers   Feb-02-10 01:27 AM   #53 
  - No dinner first, no smoke after, no cash on the dresser. Not even a breeze. Kinda takes all the fun  No Elephants   Feb-02-10 01:31 AM   #54 
  - It's worth remembering  dipsydoodle   Feb-02-10 02:22 AM   #57 
  - I was wondering about that  Bill McBlueState   Feb-02-10 09:28 AM   #65 
  - I flew out of DTW a couple weeks ago  Bill McBlueState   Feb-02-10 09:30 AM   #66 
  - I'd rather be strip searched in plain view of everybody  TrogL   Feb-02-10 01:56 PM   #70 
  - So much for the "purely voluntary" idea.  Ignis   Feb-02-10 02:36 PM   #72 
  - With the news that yes, it is possible to recapture these "scans",  Missy Vixen   Feb-02-10 04:49 PM   #74 
  - They should offer as an alternative getting a full body massage.  TexasObserver   Feb-02-10 05:45 PM   #75 
  - celebritybodyscans.com  Snazzy   Feb-02-10 07:57 PM   #80 
  - My 13 year old daughter flies to London (Heathrow) on Thursday, back again in two weeks.  riderinthestorm   Feb-02-10 08:34 PM   #81 
  - Nice move Tiger ... now you've screwed up the Heathrow work schedules for that day ...  Nihil   Feb-03-10 06:20 AM   #82 
     - LOL!! In fairness though, she got her tix when the under 18 exemption was still in place. nt  riderinthestorm   Feb-03-10 10:50 AM   #83 
        - Fair enough ...  Nihil   Feb-03-10 11:03 AM   #84 
  - If Those Body Scans  On the Road   Feb-03-10 11:50 AM   #85 
 

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