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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-31-10 02:40 AM
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84. Our culture?
"We don't hire them to work in banks or to sell insurance because you can't have a relationship with a ghost."

If you're in the US, good luck with the ADA lawsuits.

"Ask any blind person what they would give to see the expression on a loved one's face."

Having asked the deaf what it would be like to hear, and the blind what it would be like to see, this is like somebody asking if you would glurfnozzle if you could. Because glurfnozzle is important to the person asking.

"Our faces, what we convey with our eyes, our brows, lips, etc... is an important part of our relationships, personal and commercial."

That depends on a few factors. There's an international diagnosis upswing in people who avoid, and ignore, such simplistic and trivial acting cues, so much so that it's been called a disease. It has especially high rates in educated and high-tech areas.

"Otherwise, there would be no reason to cover the face, now would there? To cut someone off from having that rich experience of being known by others, makes them inferior and a slave."

I hope to god you never have autistic children, ASD friends, clients, or any contact with people who have MS, facial paralysis, or other muscular dysfunction. You seem to have pretty harsh feelings about it, to the point of considering such people "inferior".

I'd keep dissecting your post, but really, it's not worth it.

I'll just point at one piece of bizarre, masculine, machismo driven, piece of self important, glamor driven, 20th century bravado:
"No self respecting man would ever hide his face."

I'll counter with this:
"No self respecting person thinks that their value has anything to do with their face."
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  -Italy follows France with a bid to ban the burqa dipsydoodle  Jan-30-10 12:18 PM   #0 
  - So, the prisons and fine coffers will fill with women were burqas  Suji to Seoul   Jan-30-10 01:04 PM   #1 
  - Nikes should be banned anyway  dipsydoodle   Jan-30-10 01:28 PM   #3 
  - And how does banning the burqa equal racism?  Confusious   Jan-30-10 04:28 PM   #15 
     - You're defending this act of racism? Tread carefully.  Suji to Seoul   Jan-30-10 09:00 PM   #30 
     - You didn't answer my question  Confusious   Jan-30-10 09:07 PM   #32 
     - this is targetting one group of people. Laws that target one group of people are inherently racist  Suji to Seoul   Jan-31-10 10:22 PM   #96 
     - It isn't racism, and if you're going to tell people to tread carefully, become a mod or admin.  Zavulon   Jan-30-10 10:05 PM   #50 
     - You're defending this act of racism? Tread carefully.  Suji to Seoul   Jan-30-10 09:01 PM   #31 
  - We shouldn't tolerate intolerance  Frosty cupcake   Jan-30-10 01:27 PM   #2 
  - I agree. Let's see the men walk around with a little hole cut out for their eyes.  Raschel   Jan-30-10 02:13 PM   #5 
  - Right on. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-30-10 02:24 PM   #8 
  - interesting proposition---I like it  wordpix   Jan-31-10 01:25 PM   #89 
  - Agree . . . using male-supremacist religion to oppress women is as old as the OT...  defendandprotect   Jan-30-10 09:21 PM   #37 
  - European rightists on the move!  Flaneur   Jan-30-10 02:03 PM   #4 
  - How is fighting the making of women second class citizens  Confusious   Jan-30-10 04:29 PM   #16 
     - Humiliating women with a dress code is right wing.  boppers   Jan-30-10 05:35 PM   #22 
        - The burqa is the "patriarchal dominance over women"  Confusious   Jan-30-10 09:44 PM   #47 
           - Dress codes are patriarchal dominance over women....  boppers   Jan-30-10 10:30 PM   #53 
              - I guess you're against health care for all  Confusious   Jan-30-10 10:44 PM   #58 
              - You're talking about national health care... with jail for private doctors.  boppers   Jan-30-10 11:25 PM   #60 
                 - This will probably be my final post on the subject  Confusious   Jan-31-10 01:15 AM   #73 
                 - You have no idea what you are talking about  Confusious   Jan-31-10 01:33 AM   #78 
              - If I were a naturist, wouldn't you require me to wear clothes...  JCMach1   Jan-30-10 11:11 PM   #59 
              - See post above... no, I wouldn't require you to wear clothes.  boppers   Jan-30-10 11:32 PM   #61 
                 - Please note, I do question the RIGHTness of doing this  JCMach1   Jan-30-10 11:41 PM   #62 
                 - Hadn't checked your profile for location..UAE, is it?  boppers   Jan-30-10 11:47 PM   #63 
                    - American working in UAE  JCMach1   Jan-31-10 01:11 AM   #72 
                 - So I guess you want us to have religious practices in the town square  Confusious   Jan-31-10 01:17 AM   #74 
                    - Dictating behavhior in a commons space makes it a non-"commons" space.  boppers   Jan-31-10 01:58 AM   #81 
              - 80% of the women are suffering. the other 20% can wear it in their homes  samsingh   Jan-31-10 05:06 PM   #93 
  - Good start, let's see the rest of the civilized world follow suit. (nt)  Tumbulu   Jan-30-10 02:17 PM   #6 
  - Same here  sasquatch   Jan-30-10 06:40 PM   #23 
  - Right! There are many Halloween costumes that need to be banned too!  CLANG   Jan-30-10 06:56 PM   #24 
     - Yes. When women are pressured to wear certain costumes everyday, the costumes should be banned too.  Chef Eric   Jan-30-10 08:12 PM   #27 
        - In France, panel recommends a burka ban in public institutions  CLANG   Jan-30-10 09:30 PM   #41 
  - I'm pro-choice. Not my business what other people want to wear.  Flaneur   Jan-30-10 02:19 PM   #7 
  - Are you ok  dipsydoodle   Jan-30-10 02:47 PM   #9 
  - I'm pretty sure people can't choose to wear an honour killing...  Violet_Crumble   Jan-30-10 04:03 PM   #12 
     - By coincidence  dipsydoodle   Jan-30-10 04:12 PM   #13 
     - Honor Killings and making women subservient and destroying their identity ...  defendandprotect   Jan-30-10 09:25 PM   #39 
  - Your topic line has the problem right in it  Confusious   Jan-30-10 04:32 PM   #18 
  - It is male-supremacist religions which will denying you that right to CHOICE . .  defendandprotect   Jan-30-10 09:24 PM   #38 
  - there's still quite a few nuns around Italy  mitchtv   Jan-30-10 03:07 PM   #10 
  - It's just the face covering  Frosty cupcake   Jan-30-10 04:01 PM   #11 
  - That's a plain stupid analogy.  dipsydoodle   Jan-30-10 04:13 PM   #14 
  - Now you bring up a point that is very sensitive... I wonder how that will go..  midnight   Jan-30-10 10:13 PM   #51 
  - This makes perfect sense  zalinda   Jan-30-10 04:30 PM   #17 
  - I do not see a problem with this.  conservdem   Jan-30-10 05:01 PM   #19 
  - Just what we needed.  JoeyT   Jan-30-10 05:16 PM   #20 
  - Tefellin, Habits, robes, jewelry, why not just ban it all?  boppers   Jan-30-10 05:26 PM   #21 
  - What do you mean "we"? The article is about a ban in Italy. "We" have nothing to do with it. nt  Chef Eric   Jan-30-10 07:37 PM   #25 
  - We = Western societies. eom  boppers   Jan-30-10 08:06 PM   #26 
     - All western societies are not the same.  Chef Eric   Jan-30-10 08:23 PM   #29 
  - Maybe it's not clear to you  Confusious   Jan-30-10 09:15 PM   #34 
     - "It's about the oppression of women."... by societies and cultures who dictate clothing.  boppers   Jan-30-10 11:54 PM   #64 
        - No relation  Confusious   Jan-31-10 01:29 AM   #76 
        - You have no idea, yadda, yadda, yadda  Confusious   Jan-31-10 01:34 AM   #79 
  - so i take it they are also going to ban  Chicago dyke   Jan-30-10 08:17 PM   #28 
  - Nice  Confusious   Jan-30-10 09:09 PM   #33 
     - so do you think bikinis are "oppressive?"  Chicago dyke   Jan-30-10 09:18 PM   #35 
        - Most women work really hard to get into a bikini  Confusious   Jan-30-10 09:29 PM   #40 
        - Islamic men don't cover their faces in public so there's nothing to ban.  dustbunnie   Jan-30-10 09:35 PM   #43 
           - "Islamic men don't cover their faces in public"  boppers   Jan-31-10 12:02 AM   #65 
              - Spin it any way you want, but you can't seriously think people are so dumb, do you?  dustbunnie   Jan-31-10 12:10 AM   #68 
                 - Did you mean "Islamic men in cooler, non-sandy, climates", then?  boppers   Jan-31-10 12:29 AM   #70 
                    - The usual spin, and that's all it is.  dustbunnie   Jan-31-10 12:44 AM   #71 
                       - Point by point:  boppers   Jan-31-10 01:21 AM   #75 
                          - OK, you have no idea what your talking about  Confusious   Jan-31-10 01:32 AM   #77 
                          - *you're  boppers   Jan-31-10 01:40 AM   #80 
                          - You're right. I don't see you and have no idea who you are. Therefore, we have no relationship.  dustbunnie   Jan-31-10 02:08 AM   #83 
                             - Our culture?  boppers   Jan-31-10 02:40 AM   #84 
                                - Yep, more complete and utter nonsense.  dustbunnie   Jan-31-10 03:18 AM   #85 
                                   - Facial profiling.... hm. eom  boppers   Jan-31-10 02:53 PM   #90 
                                      - Haha... you say facial expression is unimportant while you defend a culture that kills over it.  dustbunnie   Jan-31-10 03:16 PM   #92 
  - Good for them -- more male-supremacist religious nonsense inflicted upon women!!  defendandprotect   Jan-30-10 09:19 PM   #36 
  - the ignorance of muslim culture here is  Chicago dyke   Jan-30-10 09:31 PM   #42 
     - Nobody gives a flying f*ck what anyone wears as long as they don't cover their faces.  dustbunnie   Jan-30-10 09:37 PM   #44 
     - Nope. You need the help  Confusious   Jan-30-10 09:38 PM   #45 
     - i have a PhD in middle eastern religions.  Chicago dyke   Jan-30-10 09:48 PM   #48 
        - I was wondering when you were going to say that  Confusious   Jan-30-10 09:58 PM   #49 
        - you know what they say....  Scout   Jan-31-10 09:05 PM   #95 
     - And maybe we should have rethtought Chinese foot binding ... ??  defendandprotect   Jan-30-10 09:43 PM   #46 
     - Gang wear, indeed.  boppers   Jan-31-10 12:08 AM   #67 
        - Our Constitution only separates us from the religous "gang" . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-31-10 11:12 AM   #86 
     - In Chicago, a topless Aboriginal woman dressing per her culture and religion  riderinthestorm   Jan-30-10 10:17 PM   #52 
     - good points....thanks for speaking out :)  winyanstaz   Jan-30-10 10:31 PM   #54 
     - Damn, good post, I wish I had said that! n/t  MicaelS   Jan-30-10 10:36 PM   #57 
     - So, Chicago is hopelessly screwed up and oppressive to human rights....  boppers   Jan-31-10 12:15 AM   #69 
     - Exactly . . . and if we wanted to argue for male-dominated religious culture, we'd  defendandprotect   Feb-01-10 09:24 PM   #97 
     - it's about covering their faces  unabelladonna   Jan-30-10 10:32 PM   #55 
     - Why do you hate ninjas? eom  boppers   Jan-31-10 12:06 AM   #66 
     - Any of those others calling for women to cover their faces?  MicaelS   Jan-30-10 10:35 PM   #56 
     - Jews wear three kinds of facial adornments.  boppers   Jan-31-10 02:06 AM   #82 
     - "Muslim culture"?  Codeine   Jan-31-10 11:47 AM   #87 
     - ...and I guess Germany should have been "free to make up their own minds"  defendandprotect   Jan-31-10 07:39 PM   #94 
  - I can't believe  MilitarismFTL   Jan-31-10 12:35 PM   #88 
  - This invades individual freedom  next left2   Jan-31-10 03:10 PM   #91 
  - The only time I saw a woman in a burqa was in Italy.  Courtesy Flush   Feb-02-10 12:01 PM   #98 

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