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166. We are soooooo fucked! nt
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  -Court Rules That Mass Surveillance of Americans is Immune From Judicial Review kpete  Jan-22-10 09:48 AM   #0 
  - OK, NOW is it official?  havocmom   Jan-22-10 09:50 AM   #1 
  - Not sure America ever was ours ... but was always hopeful  SomeGuyInEagan   Jan-22-10 12:25 PM   #49 
  - Imagine how that sounds to a Native American.  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:19 PM   #149 
  - We have the same  dotymed   Jan-22-10 12:51 PM   #62 
  - Except the Chinese don't buy our defective crap  RedCloud   Jan-22-10 02:35 PM   #101 
  - Ill take hyperbole for 500, Alex  Socal31   Jan-22-10 04:59 PM   #120 
  - Sure there is some hyperbole, but care to comment on these two stories particularly?  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:21 PM   #151 
  - You're right. They have more rights. nt  valerief   Jan-22-10 08:07 PM   #161 
  - Isn't China set to get National Health Care?  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:18 PM   #147 
  - don't think it really ever was.  whatacountry09   Jan-22-10 01:39 PM   #75 
  - The Bad Guys Won  NashVegas   Jan-23-10 07:28 AM   #200 
     - They got into striking distance then. And we stopped playing defense against the ground game.  havocmom   Jan-23-10 12:30 PM   #206 
  - Our corporate overlords despise us...  ixion   Jan-22-10 09:50 AM   #2 
  - Yes. Their contempt is palpable every day. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-22-10 01:16 PM   #71 
  - Oh Goody! Now we can ask agents Mike and Mary, "Can you hear me now?!?"  ShortnFiery   Jan-22-10 09:50 AM   #3 
  - And the hits just keep coming....  Coventina   Jan-22-10 09:56 AM   #4 
  - "We hold these truths to be self-evident:..."  wizstars   Jan-22-10 10:07 AM   #5 
  - "We hold these truths to be self-evident:..."  Harry Monroe   Jan-22-10 12:42 PM   #56 
  - Things are different now than they were in the days of the slaveholder who authored that document.  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 01:51 PM   #82 
  - "I just mind dying for no result"  peace frog   Jan-23-10 08:57 AM   #202 
  - The way to revolt against this system is by withdrawing your support for it!  lagavulin   Jan-23-10 11:14 AM   #205 
  - I feel like Bruce Willis at the end of "The Sixth Sense."  OnyxCollie   Jan-22-10 10:12 AM   #6 
  - At least Bruce Willis was able to say goodbye peacefully  Frank Cannon   Jan-22-10 11:48 AM   #35 
     - More like Mickey Rourke in "Angel Heart", I guess.  OnyxCollie   Jan-22-10 12:08 PM   #42 
        - no, groundhog day. but without the cute babe he gets at the end.  ChairmanAgnostic   Jan-22-10 12:13 PM   #45 
  - K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   Jan-22-10 10:13 AM   #7 
  - what i want to know is did Obama's DOJ fight for NSA rights or ours?  flyarm   Jan-22-10 10:14 AM   #8 
  - Since Senator Obama voted to expand domestic surveillance  OnyxCollie   Jan-22-10 10:15 AM   #9 
  - I assume that's a rhetorical question.  PSPS   Jan-22-10 10:16 AM   #10 
  - Here you go....  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 01:48 PM   #79 
  - U.S. District Court Chief Judge Vaughn Walker appointed by Bush Sr.  W T F   Jan-22-10 10:21 AM   #11 
  - "Smirk." - Poppy 'Skull & Boner' Bush (R - Elitist)  SpiralHawk   Jan-22-10 11:59 AM   #38 
  - And brought to you by Carl's Jr.!!  Harry Monroe   Jan-22-10 12:44 PM   #57 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Jan-22-10 10:21 AM   #12 
  - No, the court held that government may ignore the 4th Amendment to the Constitution.,  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 01:40 PM   #76 
     - Yes, I know it doesn't apply to Jane and John Public  Solly Mack   Jan-22-10 01:49 PM   #80 
        - I knew you knew. I just wanted to spell out how stinky the court's decision is..  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 05:10 PM   #123 
  - "Okay! So now if you're scoring at home......  DeSwiss   Jan-22-10 10:45 AM   #13 
  - We haven't reached fascism yet  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 11:34 AM   #27 
  - We have reached Fascism.  JDPriestly   Jan-22-10 01:11 PM   #67 
  - You might be right  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 02:00 PM   #89 
  - By the way...  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 02:06 PM   #95 
  - Direct line : McCarthyEra/HUAC ...COINTELPRO....HOMELAND SECURITY  defendandprotect   Jan-22-10 02:56 PM   #105 
  - Okay. You've convinced me.  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 03:15 PM   #107 
     - And, don't forget the right wing political violence along the way...assassinations, etal ...  defendandprotect   Jan-22-10 05:59 PM   #131 
  - We have a choice of alternative now? Do tell?  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:33 PM   #152 
     - Meme's seem to be the rule  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 08:01 PM   #158 
  - Agree . . . patriarchy is fascism....  defendandprotect   Jan-22-10 02:55 PM   #104 
     - I never liked Monopoly  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 08:00 PM   #157 
        - Yep . . . pretty much where we are now -- !!  defendandprotect   Jan-22-10 08:13 PM   #162 
  - HELLO!!  L. Coyote   Jan-22-10 02:29 PM   #100 
     - Read it the first time. Understood it the first time.  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 02:39 PM   #102 
        - A very slippery slope, indeed. Watch your footing!  proudohioan   Jan-22-10 04:03 PM   #111 
        - Maybe the contents of your library haven't yet been checked, but  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 05:15 PM   #125 
        - TRUE STORY  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 05:42 PM   #129 
        - now THAT is creepy  fascisthunter   Jan-22-10 07:05 PM   #143 
        - Just FYI:  boppers   Jan-22-10 07:39 PM   #155 
           - He never told me my purchase records were accessed  Goldstein1984   Jan-22-10 08:20 PM   #164 
              - No longer trust their corporations.... ?  boppers   Jan-22-10 08:30 PM   #165 
                 - It's "Rollerball"  Goldstein1984   Jan-23-10 05:05 AM   #195 
        - We are living that scenario as we breathe today  N_E_1 for Tennis   Jan-23-10 09:41 AM   #203 
        - I vote we are there. nt  rhett o rick   Jan-23-10 12:43 AM   #168 
        - We see all 14 to  Enthusiast   Jan-23-10 04:49 AM   #194 
        - Very useful analysis: everyone should read this...and furthermore...  Liberation Angel   Jan-24-10 02:59 PM   #210 
  - You forgot "War is Peace" , "Slavery is Freedom" and "Ignorance is Strength"!!  Harry Monroe   Jan-22-10 12:45 PM   #60 
  - Well, let's look at the 10 steps of Fascism and see if we have reached it:  dixiegrrrrl   Jan-22-10 01:41 PM   #77 
  - Nice Flag!  Lochloosa   Jan-23-10 05:17 AM   #196 
  - I thought it was "everyone is doing it"-now kids everywhere can use this  KakistocracyHater   Jan-23-10 09:11 PM   #207 
  - Well, this certainly encourages the gov't to do bad things to a lot of people in order to turn...  GodlessBiker   Jan-22-10 10:45 AM   #14 
  - Yep. Very bad policy inherent in this decision.  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 02:00 PM   #90 
  - Slip sliding away.  Jakes Progress   Jan-22-10 10:54 AM   #15 
  - Nice!  SammyWinstonJack   Jan-22-10 10:55 AM   #16 
  - Hey, can we tap the Government's phones now? n/t  Downwinder   Jan-22-10 10:55 AM   #17 
  - When the government does it, then it's not illegal... nt  thereismore   Jan-22-10 10:59 AM   #18 
  - Yes, but in the USA the document below used to MEAN SOMETHING to our Legislators:  ShortnFiery   Jan-22-10 11:05 AM   #20 
  - How long until Government officials use private information...  chrisa   Jan-22-10 11:03 AM   #19 
  - and what would make you think that hasn't been going on since this started? eom  flyarm   Jan-22-10 11:25 AM   #22 
  - Or worse yet, the corporations' new status..  KansDem   Jan-22-10 11:36 AM   #29 
  - And BigCorp's secrecy prevents discovery of  Trillo   Jan-22-10 12:02 PM   #39 
  - Very realistic, in fact.  chrisa   Jan-22-10 04:57 PM   #118 
     - At this point...  V_Byl   Jan-22-10 05:15 PM   #124 
  - How long until Government officials use private information...???  SlingBlade   Jan-22-10 12:31 PM   #50 
  - It does lean toward the persuasive.  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:36 PM   #154 
  - Um, Watergate? Nixon in general?  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 01:53 PM   #86 
     - It was done through burglary.  chrisa   Jan-22-10 05:00 PM   #121 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-22-10 11:12 AM   #21 
  - True. Obama agrees with these abuses.  avaistheone1   Jan-22-10 12:12 PM   #44 
     - Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI  sattahipdeep   Jan-22-10 12:38 PM   #54 
     - Other way around. This court agreed with Obama. See Reply # 79.  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 01:57 PM   #88 
  - This week just keeps getting better and better.  myrna minx   Jan-22-10 11:25 AM   #23 
  - And it's still not over.  Frank Cannon   Jan-22-10 11:46 AM   #34 
     - You think it's gonna be that long??????  proudohioan   Jan-22-10 01:00 PM   #64 
        - I'm an optimist  Frank Cannon   Jan-22-10 03:35 PM   #110 
  - I can use my calling card now!  Ezlivin   Jan-22-10 11:27 AM   #24 
  - +1  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 06:24 PM   #133 
  - Nothing a million molotov cocktails can't fix.  westerebus   Jan-22-10 11:28 AM   #25 
  - K&R  JonLP24   Jan-22-10 11:29 AM   #26 
  - It's to protect our FREEDOM, dontcha know?  HCE SuiGeneris   Jan-22-10 11:34 AM   #28 
  - Is avoidance of surveillance also immune?  dbonds   Jan-22-10 11:43 AM   #30 
  - This may be some big cosmic joke  Bragi   Jan-22-10 11:44 AM   #31 
  - And Conan will still have the Tonight Show.  Arugula Latte   Jan-22-10 11:46 AM   #33 
  - I, for one, welcome our new corporo-fascist overlords.  Arugula Latte   Jan-22-10 11:46 AM   #32 
  - Nice Simpsons reference  geardaddy   Jan-22-10 12:08 PM   #43 
  - Me too.  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 06:27 PM   #134 
  - Anyone here believes...  Andronex   Jan-22-10 11:57 AM   #36 
  - That's right.  Wapsie B   Jan-22-10 12:23 PM   #48 
  - +1 One definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing, but expecting a different result.  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 02:05 PM   #93 
  - I know it looks like we are buried under a shit avalanche at the moment  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 06:29 PM   #135 
  - Good Cop Bad Cop Routine?  Trillo   Jan-22-10 11:57 AM   #37 
  - The principles outlined in the Bill of Rights...  FlyByNight   Jan-22-10 12:05 PM   #40 
  - ...  Soylent Brice   Jan-22-10 12:08 PM   #41 
  - Welcome to the New CSA  Oldtimeralso   Jan-22-10 12:13 PM   #46 
  - WTF?  Lugnut   Jan-22-10 12:18 PM   #47 
  - the Obama administration issued a secret rule almost two weeks ago saying it was legal for the FBI  gulfcoastliberal   Jan-22-10 12:34 PM   #51 
  - Right now I am grateful  JenGatherer   Jan-22-10 12:36 PM   #52 
  - Of course we can still communicate here :) but of course it's all being recorded....  winyanstaz   Jan-22-10 12:57 PM   #63 
  - No reason to. It's part of the bread and circuses now.  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 06:36 PM   #136 
  - Just wow - it keeps coming strong  Politicub   Jan-22-10 12:37 PM   #53 
  - And the hits just keep coming!!  Harry Monroe   Jan-22-10 12:41 PM   #55 
  - Fascism is certainly ramping up. No doubt about it.  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 12:45 PM   #58 
  - Could anything be more foolish of the Celebrity-puking, False Reality Bubble that encompasses the  tom_paine   Jan-23-10 08:03 AM   #201 
  - Things are just getting more and more FUCKED every day  slay   Jan-22-10 12:45 PM   #59 
  - Another day, another horrendous decision.  reformist   Jan-22-10 12:46 PM   #61 
  - You think the ACLU could spend more time on this  Generator   Jan-22-10 01:05 PM   #65 
  - Another...  DisgustedInMN   Jan-22-10 01:10 PM   #66 
  - I liked to think of the Bush years as a show called Great Moments in Irony  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 06:50 PM   #140 
  - We just need to hang on  gaijinlaw   Jan-22-10 01:13 PM   #68 
  - Ah, come on...  bugisbug   Jan-22-10 01:13 PM   #69 
  - is it Fascism yet? knr  Mari333   Jan-22-10 01:16 PM   #70 
  - The American Heritage Dictionary defines fascism as  dixiegrrrrl   Jan-22-10 01:50 PM   #81 
  - wow.  Mari333   Jan-22-10 01:53 PM   #85 
     - Upthread I listed the 1o steps of Fascism....  dixiegrrrrl   Jan-22-10 02:01 PM   #91 
  - Just ask Benito Mussolini, although the authenticity of the quote has been questioned  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 06:57 PM   #141 
  - god - this caps the take away of citizens rights week  katty   Jan-22-10 01:25 PM   #72 
  - And that's not even the Friday news dump.  The_Commonist   Jan-22-10 01:41 PM   #78 
  - This is the icing on the cake for this wonderful week.  Vinca   Jan-22-10 01:34 PM   #73 
  - So, what do we do?  jonathon   Jan-22-10 01:36 PM   #74 
  - K & R  Better Believe It   Jan-22-10 01:52 PM   #83 
  - Watch what you say on the phone!  alp227   Jan-22-10 01:52 PM   #84 
  - Don't watch what you say on the phone -- may I make a suggestion?  SandWalker1984   Jan-22-10 07:20 PM   #150 
  - Life is short. Live it while you can. When it's over, it's over.  makemyday   Jan-22-10 01:54 PM   #87 
  - Appreciate the Gandhi quote. However, there is such a thing as good intervention.  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:07 PM   #144 
  - This has been a pretty shitty week.  Lasher   Jan-22-10 02:01 PM   #92 
  - Not much really to worry about  Torn_Scorned_Ignored   Jan-22-10 02:06 PM   #94 
  - the trojan horse looked so sexay in shades  ima_sinnic   Jan-22-10 02:08 PM   #96 
  - So sad. Are freedoms or the illusion of freedom is slowly being taken away.  Butch350   Jan-22-10 02:15 PM   #97 
  - But you are hereby granted 25 extra grams of Victory Chocolate  h9socialist   Jan-22-10 02:16 PM   #98 
  - Sounds like America is now operating under the new NUREMBERG LAWS!!!  defendandprotect   Jan-22-10 02:27 PM   #99 
  - into the abyss  librechik   Jan-22-10 02:53 PM   #103 
  - Whatta concept!!!  cdillon   Jan-22-10 03:04 PM   #106 
  - So if it hasn't  sattahipdeep   Jan-22-10 03:20 PM   #108 
  - What a shitty week!  santamargarita   Jan-22-10 03:31 PM   #109 
  - Yes it has been  underpants   Jan-22-10 06:47 PM   #139 
  - The blows keep coimng. When will we finally stand up & be counted!  emsimon33   Jan-22-10 04:11 PM   #112 
  - In summary: "We've been doing this for over 100 years now, nothing to see here."  boppers   Jan-22-10 04:21 PM   #113 
  - This has not always be considered legal in the United States. We have  No Elephants   Jan-22-10 05:23 PM   #127 
  - Mail to/from the US was inspected. Still is to some extent, I assume.  boppers   Jan-22-10 07:19 PM   #148 
  - boppers, get your skis ready, the shark is waiting  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:11 PM   #145 
     - A Fonzi reference?  boppers   Jan-22-10 07:34 PM   #153 
  - Telecom Company is a Person now. We are F$&^$#%ed.  glinda   Jan-22-10 04:25 PM   #114 
  - Hey AT&T - A Big Fuck You to You and Your Outsourcing, You Traitors!  scentopine   Jan-22-10 04:46 PM   #115 
  - A constitutional referendum on it's way n/t  AlphaCentauri   Jan-22-10 04:52 PM   #116 
  - Steal a little and they throw you in jail; steal a lot and they make you king.  FiveGoodMen   Jan-22-10 04:56 PM   #117 
  - I am so sick of this shit........  BlueJac   Jan-22-10 04:57 PM   #119 
  - News Corp will buy a candidate and help AT&T defeat net neutrality -nt  scentopine   Jan-22-10 05:02 PM   #122 
  - That's one of my biggest fears.  V_Byl   Jan-22-10 05:18 PM   #126 
  - ...and I used to make fun of Libertarians.  FLPanhandle   Jan-22-10 05:28 PM   #128 
  - Please explain. Right about what? I thought Libertarians were for  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 07:14 PM   #146 
     - Libertarians wanted a free communications network.  boppers   Jan-22-10 07:57 PM   #156 
        - I had no idea that Libertarians were allies in net neutrality.  Mithreal   Jan-22-10 08:03 PM   #159 
           - "The internet routes around censorship".... It's an old mantra.  boppers   Jan-22-10 08:15 PM   #163 
  - K&R n/t  MissDeeds   Jan-22-10 05:57 PM   #130 
  - What did you expect from Papa Bush's nominee? Certainly nothing constitutional.  appleannie1   Jan-22-10 06:04 PM   #132 
  - I don't get it ..  AsahinaKimi   Jan-22-10 06:38 PM   #137 
  - The courts have no constitutional authority to approve of this.  midnight   Jan-22-10 06:46 PM   #138 
  - How very, very hopeful and changealicious! n/t  QC   Jan-22-10 06:59 PM   #142 
  - Maybe if we each incorporate ourselves, we can get some rights. nt  valerief   Jan-22-10 08:07 PM   #160 
  - We are soooooo fucked! nt  pleah   Jan-22-10 08:34 PM   #166 
  - All this stuff happening at once is not a coincidence.  Faith No More   Jan-22-10 10:38 PM   #167 
  - The hits just keep on coming!  Dream Detector 2010   Jan-23-10 01:30 AM   #169 
  - Judge nixes two Bush-era domestic spying cases  demoleft   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #170 
  - This is how a Democratic Republic dies...  ixion   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #171 
  - "Bush era"? That's why it was dismissed. It had nothing to do with Bush.  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   # 
  - no dude, to wiretap a US citizen on US soil requires a warrant  pasto76   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #176 
     - ...NOT if one party to the conversation is on foreign soil.  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #178 
        - The issue with dragnet surveilance,  ThomCat   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #180 
           - "Just because you are overseas you do not surrender your rights"  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #181 
              - It doesn't matter what other countries think.  ThomCat   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #183 
                 - "Americans don't loose our rights under American law when out of the country."  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #185 
                    - That isn't American exceptionalism.  ThomCat   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #186 
                       - That's only law in ONE country. ONE.  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #187 
                          - You do realize that are exceptions, where any nations laws reach  ThomCat   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #188 
                             - Opinions do not trump law. eom  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #189 
                                - Wow! You truly are clueless.  ThomCat   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #190 
                                   - very.  Divine Discontent   Jan-23-10 09:54 PM   #208 
  - The spy who loved me, the United States of America.  Jefferson23   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #173 
  - Talk about a Catch-22.  Qutzupalotl   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #174 
  - So if it hasn't touched you personally then it doesn't matter--right?  sattahipdeep   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #177 
     - It's called "standing". It's a legal thing.  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #179 
        - So its a legal thing?  sattahipdeep   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #182 
           - In the US courts, yes....  boppers   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #184 
  - We're going from outrageous decision to more outrageous decisions...!!!  defendandprotect   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #175 
  - "as long as the govment spies on all Americans.."..  gimama   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #191 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #172 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #192 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-23-10 02:41 AM   #193 
  - We the people lose yet again...  Hubert Flottz   Jan-23-10 06:49 AM   #197 
  - Conservative judges continue to conspire against us!  RedCloud   Jan-23-10 06:55 AM   #198 
  - Change you can ... ?  panzerfaust   Jan-23-10 07:05 AM   #199 
  - Is this judge a repug?  zoff   Jan-23-10 09:43 AM   #204 
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