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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:56 AM
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21. You're welcome.
All that I ever hear from the conservatives (especially some of my in-laws) where I live is how evil people like Chavez and Castro are. They never want to hear about the positive things that they've done to help people in their region of the world.

I think that you're correct that countries in South America and some of their allies need to have a large say in how Haiti is rebuilt. I can't see where the decisions of the US and the IMF/World Bank have always been in the best interest of the countries and people that they are supposedly "helping" to build a better way of life.



This is another comment that Cockburn made while traveling in Central America in the early 90's. It isn't about Haiti, but parts of it seem very appropriate given the events of the last week. The emphasis was added my me.


"The moving part of it for me," he said, "was, well, first of all, to see what suffering people can really experience, and then to see how people respond to that suffering or to the threats that they're under and so on. Especially in the refugee camps, people were so together, given the circumstances, and had such an ability not to fall into hopelessness. That was the most moving thing at all, and that, combined with the threat of violence against those people particularly, was a terrible feeling and a terrible set of feelings to have and a terrible sort of juxtaposition to see.

"These people had absolutely nothing and no prospects whatever. Still, they were trying to get something going, they were still building schools in their refugee camps even though they had nothing to put in them, no books and no teachers. They built a little infirmary even though they didn't have any medicine, just so they'd be ready when it did come, and it never did, of course. The Mexican army went in and burned it all down after a while.

"But those people still had this ability to go, 'Well, okay, we're just gonna build something here.' That just made the kind of cynicism, that we who live in the developed world can so easily feel about the usefulness or not of political action, seem so pathetic. It seemed like complete self-indulgence for us to sit around going, 'Oh, well, there's nothing we can do.'"

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  -IMF urges 'Marshall Plan' for Haiti Turborama  Jan-21-10 02:24 AM   #0 
  - And the vultures are circling. Poor Haiti. n/t  EFerrari   Jan-21-10 02:27 AM   #1 
  - The last thing Haiti needs is to have the IMF  sabrina 1   Jan-21-10 03:58 AM   #7 
     - Check this out, sabrina:  EFerrari   Jan-21-10 04:14 AM   #9 
     - 'Private investment' ~ I just read the link to the Democracy Now  sabrina 1   Jan-21-10 10:07 AM   #18 
     - While I agree that Haiti does not need loans, but instead grants  YouTakeTheSkyway   Jan-21-10 04:24 AM   #10 
        - No, what Haiti needs now and always did, was a fair trade  sabrina 1   Jan-21-10 10:42 AM   #19 
           - Didn’t those original IMF loans break the back on Haiti’s local rice production?  The abyss   Jan-21-10 05:37 PM   #28 
              - It was the agreement made for Clinton to bring back Aristide.  EFerrari   Jan-25-10 10:00 PM   #33 
  - The IMF Doesn't Do Marshall Plans  Demeter   Jan-21-10 02:31 AM   #2 
  - The IMF and the WB did at one point, they are a product of Bretton Woods  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-21-10 02:44 AM   #5 
     - Why Don't You Look at Indonesia, If You Think Ancient History Applies to Today?  Demeter   Jan-21-10 05:50 AM   #12 
     - It IS Indonesia that they are looking at, not quite a success  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-21-10 01:58 PM   #24 
        - I am not referring to the naturally-caused Tsunami.  Demeter   Jan-22-10 11:29 AM   #29 
     - The Economic Cooperation Administration and Organization for European Economic Cooperation did  muriel_volestrangler   Jan-21-10 11:39 AM   #22 
        - I looked into this when I was at college...  Turborama   Jan-25-10 09:47 PM   #31 
  - Call me cynical  XemaSab   Jan-21-10 02:37 AM   #3 
  - Call me cynical also. One of the few songs about the IMF and their actions.  Altoid_Cyclist   Jan-21-10 06:15 AM   #14 
     - Perfect description of the IMF.  sabrina 1   Jan-21-10 09:53 AM   #17 
        - You're welcome.  Altoid_Cyclist   Jan-21-10 10:56 AM   #21 
  - One of the people apporached to do this is  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-21-10 02:43 AM   #4 
  - "...Haiti, which has been incredibly hit by different things..."  Goldstein1984   Jan-21-10 03:36 AM   #6 
  - In the early stages  dipsydoodle   Jan-21-10 04:00 AM   #8 
  - "Deterring democracy" (as Chomsky says) will be the real goal.  lostnfound   Jan-21-10 05:43 AM   #11 
  - Very Likely the Airport Was Seized to PREVENT Aid from Cuba and Venezuela  Demeter   Jan-21-10 05:53 AM   #13 
     - Thom Hartmann said something about the US trying to dial back  EFerrari   Jan-25-10 09:55 PM   #32 
  - If the IMF is involved it's most likely a Smash-n-Grab.  Odin2005   Jan-21-10 08:06 AM   #15 
  - No "loans". No IMF. nt  bemildred   Jan-21-10 09:16 AM   #16 
  - The IMF should just fuck off and die, imo...  Spazito   Jan-21-10 10:49 AM   #20 
  - Our family lived under Marshal Law for a few weeks while in Singapore (1964)  ShortnFiery   Jan-21-10 02:01 PM   #25 
     - Not a good way to live for sure!  Spazito   Jan-21-10 02:50 PM   #26 
     - Oh, I stand corrected.  ShortnFiery   Jan-21-10 05:06 PM   #27 
     - That's "Martial" Law  Demeter   Jan-22-10 11:31 AM   #30 
  - Those who politicize this disaster should rot in the same moldy cellar  KamaAina   Jan-21-10 12:04 PM   #23 
 

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