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Response to Reply #217
239. Totally out of context and not intended literally anyway.
Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 01:58 AM by No Elephants
Jesus did not mean that literally, for he never did bring a sword and he preached peace.

In fact, at his birth, the angels declared "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." (Luke 2:14, KJV) There's the heavenly clue as to the reason why he came.

And he became known as the "Prince of Peace."

This is the passage you quoted, but his time, in context: Matthew 10 (KJV)

25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

41He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

42And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Obviously, Jesus was speaking about bringing Christianity to the world, which might divide a family of Jews or pagans spiritually. He was not referring to a a physical sword, or war or violence. To the contrary, that segnment ends with Jesus promising heaven to someone who gives a child a cup of water.

Anyone can pull something out of the Bible, totally out of context to try to prove a point, but it's totally dishonest. Try again.

BTW: To the atheists: Relax. I'm not trying to convert anyone. Just trying to stop misrepresentation.
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  - .  burning rain   Jan-18-10 03:34 PM   #117 
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     - Since when is a person's explicitly stated religious preference invalidated by speculation as to the  D23MIURG23   Jan-19-10 12:37 AM   #226 
     - ...  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 12:35 PM   #292 
     - An eye.  HealthyDemocracy   Feb-18-10 01:31 AM   #358 
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     - In Public, sure...  Unca Jim   Jan-19-10 02:34 PM   #305 
        - A lot of Hitler's private statements are disputed and possibly fabricated.  D23MIURG23   Jan-19-10 06:02 PM   #324 
           - Sure...  Unca Jim   Jan-19-10 07:52 PM   #328 
              - Maybe you should actually read what is at your link  D23MIURG23   Jan-19-10 11:08 PM   #336 
     - False. nt  Deep13   Jan-19-10 09:29 AM   #270 
        - True  Unca Jim   Jan-19-10 02:35 PM   #306 
           - So all those speeches about his love for god and the fatherland...  Deep13   Jan-19-10 03:21 PM   #314 
              - Don't really disagree  Unca Jim   Jan-19-10 07:41 PM   #325 
                 - Is this another example of me not understanding implicit meaning?  Deep13   Jan-19-10 09:53 PM   #332 
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  - they have a right to make their "fucking product" any crazy way they want, I guess. And no one has  No Elephants   Jan-18-10 11:29 PM   #210 
  - Way to put him down!  Enthusiast   Jan-19-10 06:09 AM   #246 
  - Um, the Nazis didn't exist in the time of WWI. n/t  clear eye   Jan-18-10 02:37 PM   #101 
  - Point taken, thank you.  no_hypocrisy   Jan-18-10 03:03 PM   #111 
  - Founded in 1919  frog92969   Jan-19-10 07:49 AM   #254 
  - Not too different from the ancient Romans either. n/t  fasttense   Jan-19-10 06:59 AM   #249 
  - Can you imagine what is written on the bombs???  pocoloco   Jan-19-10 08:11 AM   #257 
  - Inscribed hell, that is molded in the metal  liberal N proud   Jan-18-10 11:05 AM   #2 
  - Replace the word Bible with Koran.  peace13   Jan-18-10 11:15 AM   #3 
  - I wonder  Djarun   Jan-18-10 06:42 PM   #154 
  - Wow, talk about crazy  daleo   Jan-18-10 11:15 AM   #4 
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  - I just re-read this and I really think I might vomit.  shadowknows69   Jan-18-10 11:17 AM   #7 
  - That was my reaction too.  beac   Jan-18-10 12:16 PM   #42 
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        - Bravely fighting "religious extremeists"...  beac   Jan-18-10 12:47 PM   #60 
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  - Jesus simply did not  Enthusiast   Jan-19-10 06:14 AM   #247 
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     - It's like In-N-Out Burger  DissedByBush   Jan-18-10 01:01 PM   #66 
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        - Don't fret  DissedByBush   Jan-18-10 07:55 PM   #164 
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           - His royal lowness Bush I, not Shrub  DissedByBush   Jan-19-10 12:21 AM   #221 
           - my first double double  barbtries   Jan-19-10 05:13 AM   #242 
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     - I would prefer an atheistic slogan on my scope  spirit of wine   Jan-18-10 02:59 PM   #110 
     - No argument here. It's all BS so far as I'm concerned.  Jester Messiah   Jan-18-10 03:56 PM   #123 
     - Sorry, bu tthat has no more place on a taxpayer purchased weapon than does a cite to a Bible verse.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 12:35 AM   #225 
     - How so?  VermeerLives   Jan-18-10 08:03 PM   #169 
     - I suggest cracking a book or asking Google.  Jester Messiah   Jan-19-10 09:08 AM   #262 
     - Not really. Muslims think both the Jews and the Christians got it wrong  No Elephants   Jan-18-10 11:04 PM   #202 
        - Which makes it a doctrinal disagreement - much like the one between  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 12:57 PM   #296 
  - Revoke their contract now.  glinda   Jan-18-10 11:34 AM   #12 
  - Could you imagine the uproar?  SergeStorms   Jan-18-10 04:20 PM   #129 
  - This is Christian black magic, no two ways about it.  shadowknows69   Jan-18-10 11:44 AM   #15 
  - that's what I thought too: blackmagic  RedRocco   Jan-18-10 12:01 PM   #35 
  - exactly.....  winyanstaz   Jan-18-10 02:47 PM   #107 
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  - a lot  barbtries   Jan-18-10 06:17 PM   #146 
     - :( I don't even see how it is possible to recover.  krabigirl   Jan-19-10 02:39 PM   #310 
  - God is love  Christa   Jan-18-10 11:45 AM   #17 
  - When the Conquistadors  AsahinaKimi   Jan-18-10 08:46 PM   #176 
  - And they were wrong. So?  No Elephants   Jan-18-10 11:07 PM   #203 
     - read the above post  AsahinaKimi   Jan-19-10 12:15 AM   #219 
  - God is love, but  VermeerLives   Jan-20-10 07:48 PM   #349 
  - oh the irony of putting quotes from the "prince of peace" on weapons.  dugaresa   Jan-18-10 11:46 AM   #18 
  - Amazing that they're too blind to see it, eh?  Lorien   Jan-19-10 11:58 AM   #288 
  - I bet...  gorfle   Jan-18-10 11:47 AM   #19 
  - who could possibly be gullible enuff to attribute any religious value to pigs or their fat? anyone?  msongs   Jan-18-10 11:51 AM   #23 
  - Probably the same people that are gullible enough....  winyanstaz   Jan-18-10 02:57 PM   #109 
  - Someone whose sacred religious book was written by people who were on the run from the authorities  jmowreader   Jan-18-10 06:29 PM   #151 
  - That accusation is old, it was the stated claim for the Great Indian Mutiny of 1857  happyslug   Jan-18-10 12:02 PM   #36 
  - Trijicon and the ACOG has been around along time.......  galileoreloaded   Jan-18-10 11:50 AM   #20 
  - Unh, this has nothing to do with the soldiers...  PavePusher   Jan-18-10 09:26 PM   #182 
     - Tax dollars should not be going to disseminate cites to Bible verses on bullets. I object to  No Elephants   Jan-18-10 11:21 PM   #209 
        - Too late to edit, but the cites are not on bullets, but on weapons. Same principle, tho.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 12:40 AM   #228 
           - And they are not on the "weapons" per se...  PavePusher   Jan-19-10 11:51 AM   #285 
  - See # 16.  democrank   Jan-18-10 11:50 AM   #21 
  - Disgusting  truth2power   Jan-18-10 11:51 AM   #24 
  - Hells bells, I missed this part  Christa   Jan-18-10 11:52 AM   #25 
  - Half as much as the supplimental educational funding Obama is begging for  Lorien   Jan-19-10 11:54 AM   #286 
  - Wha??? 800,000 sights?  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 01:06 PM   #297 
  - K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   Jan-18-10 11:53 AM   #26 
  - Onward Christian Snipers. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-18-10 11:54 AM   #27 
  - Precisely what my wife sang when she heard this. No kidding.  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 11:58 AM   #33 
  - We have been killing in the name of the lord for milinea  dotymed   Jan-18-10 10:01 PM   #192 
  - But Obama says God is in the mix in marriage (a governmentally licensed transaction). Why not this?  katandmoon   Jan-18-10 11:55 AM   #28 
  - I'm sure Jesus would approve of this.  Kermitt Gribble   Jan-18-10 11:55 AM   #29 
  - These people are just plain sick and disgusting.  Hersheygirl   Jan-18-10 11:56 AM   #31 
  - Utter profanity. How is it that conservatives can freak at "offensive" art  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 11:56 AM   #32 
  - This company deserves a corporate death penalty.  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 11:58 AM   #34 
  - This is a horrific slander against Jesus, who taught peace and love!!  DesertDiamond   Jan-18-10 12:05 PM   #37 
  - As a fellow Buddhist  AsahinaKimi   Jan-18-10 09:04 PM   #181 
  - The words attributed to Jesus Christ disagree with you...  ZombieHorde   Jan-19-10 12:04 AM   #216 
     - So "honor thy father and thy mother" was just bullshit?  Lorien   Jan-19-10 11:57 AM   #287 
        - I believe honor thy father and mother is Old Testament.  ZombieHorde   Jan-19-10 05:16 PM   #319 
           - Lol! nt  Lorien   Jan-19-10 05:17 PM   #320 
  - I just got berated by my father in law...  V_Byl   Jan-18-10 12:06 PM   #38 
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     - Your link is broken.  dixiegrrrrl   Jan-18-10 08:01 PM   #167 
        - Hi -- I have another link for that I think but have to check my files . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-19-10 08:14 PM   #330 
  - killing in the name of...  frylock   Jan-18-10 12:07 PM   #39 
  - "Thou shalt not take The Name of The Lord thy God in vain;  Hubert Flottz   Jan-18-10 12:42 PM   #55 
     - .  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 01:02 PM   #67 
     - umm Hubert...where can I buy your book? :P  winyanstaz   Jan-18-10 02:51 PM   #108 
        - Hubert 1:3  Hubert Flottz   Jan-18-10 08:11 PM   #171 
  - Rush Limbaugh is on Armed Forces Radio  Joey Liberal   Jan-18-10 12:08 PM   #40 
  - You know when I was in Iraq, we never bothered to listen to that fat fuck.  Crowman1979   Jan-18-10 01:33 PM   # 
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  - NPR changed a lot after 2000.  No Elephants   Jan-18-10 11:18 PM   #207 
  - All we had was NPR and such for a long time  DissedByBush   Jan-19-10 12:31 AM   #222 
     - They only broadcast the first hour  jmowreader   Jan-19-10 09:48 AM   #272 
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  - More Republicon occultism  SpiralHawk   Jan-18-10 12:17 PM   #44 
  - Iraq Vets for Congress  gabbleratchet   Jan-18-10 01:53 PM   #95 
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     - Non combat iraq vets for congress  ihamer10   Feb-15-10 08:09 PM   #357 
  - Praise the Lord and AIM the ammunition?  Ken Burch   Jan-18-10 12:19 PM   #46 
  - Were these references part of the contract, or is it something that the manufacturer did?  Ozymanithrax   Jan-18-10 12:21 PM   #47 
  - Some Christian extremists are gun nuts, so the religion is murderous. Really?  No Elephants   Jan-18-10 11:57 PM   #215 
  - Bible verses on weapons?!  Mad_Dem_X   Jan-18-10 12:25 PM   #48 
  - It is actually on the scopes  Retired AF Dem   Jan-18-10 12:39 PM   #54 
     - You mean when they look thru the scope . . . they can see them????  defendandprotect   Jan-18-10 01:33 PM   #84 
        - Aim Men!  frog92969   Jan-18-10 02:34 PM   #99 
        - I join you in disgust . . .  defendandprotect   Jan-18-10 04:01 PM   #124 
           - Perhaps you should actually read the article...  PavePusher   Jan-18-10 09:29 PM   #184 
              - It's a US miliary contract . . . ??? It should be free from religious inscription....  defendandprotect   Jan-18-10 09:52 PM   #190 
        - No - they are inscribed on the outside of the scopes  RamboLiberal   Jan-18-10 05:28 PM   #141 
        - Looks like they put them in the mold  krispos42   Jan-19-10 01:01 AM   #232 
  - John 11:35 -- Jesus Wept  Hekate   Jan-18-10 12:28 PM   #49 
  - "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!"  Hubert Flottz   Jan-18-10 12:31 PM   #50 
  - Hubert 1:1, good stuff. Someone should tell the apocalyptos  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 01:06 PM   #69 
     - We need somebody that can part shit creek ASAP!  Hubert Flottz   Jan-18-10 08:14 PM   #173 
     - .  Mithreal   Jan-19-10 07:22 AM   #252 
     - You beat me to it. Why would anyone who taught the things attributed to Jesus  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 12:05 AM   #218 
        - The Christian church in America is in dire need of a new reformation.  Mithreal   Jan-19-10 07:35 AM   #253 
  - Who Would Jesus Kill?  Zoeisright   Jan-18-10 12:34 PM   #52 
  - Have "always" added these references? Religion vs mental health -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jan-18-10 12:35 PM   #53 
  - Sniper Jesus anyone?  ddeclue   Jan-18-10 12:43 PM   #57 
  - The Family scores another juicy contract. nt  Doremus   Jan-18-10 12:44 PM   #58 
  - This just makes me ill.  HCE SuiGeneris   Jan-18-10 12:45 PM   #59 
  - Wow...  TxRider   Jan-18-10 12:47 PM   #61 
  - Re: are conservatives simply oblivious to irony and hypocrisy?!  fitonkpo   Jan-18-10 12:48 PM   #62 
  - or immune to shaming, ends justifies the means every time  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 01:08 PM   #70 
  - Sick fucks.  MilesColtrane   Jan-18-10 12:48 PM   #63 
  - I'd like to think he would make them an offer they couldn't refuse.  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 01:10 PM   #72 
  - Armaments chapter II, verses 9 to 21  SirRevolutionary   Jan-18-10 12:52 PM   #64 
  - Please stop me  DissedByBush   Jan-19-10 12:35 AM   #224 
     - After finding the youtube clip I made a mental note  SirRevolutionary   Jan-19-10 12:48 AM   #229 
  - Remember to think about Jesus when you're shooting that Muslim infidel  Hugabear   Jan-18-10 01:05 PM   #68 
  - Me too. It defies believability, fundies from another universe.  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 01:20 PM   #77 
  - Jesus gave us arms for a reason  Ezlivin   Jan-18-10 01:09 PM   #71 
  - .  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 01:21 PM   #78 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Jan-18-10 01:13 PM   #73 
  - Is that Elysia chlorotica? Awesome critter.  Mithreal   Jan-18-10 01:24 PM   #80 
     - Yes. :o)  Solly Mack   Jan-18-10 01:36 PM   #87 
  - i don't think jesus would approve of this.  DesertFlower   Jan-18-10 01:15 PM   #74 
  - Blasphemous at the very least.  caseymoz   Jan-18-10 01:18 PM   #75 
  - Oh my .......that is simply insane and terrible!  winyanstaz   Jan-18-10 01:19 PM   #76 
  - Vote against religious nuts  gabbleratchet   Jan-18-10 02:35 PM   #100 
  - The U.S. Airforce is also firmly in the hands of the fundies....  winyanstaz   Jan-18-10 02:44 PM   #104 
  - How it slid for so long  jmowreader   Jan-18-10 06:45 PM   #155 
     - "Probably" does not tell me anything. I'd like to see what it looks like.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 12:34 AM   #223 
        - Happy to help  jmowreader   Jan-19-10 09:10 AM   #263 
  - That is sooooooo ironic, because what they are actually doing is spreading DARKNESS.  patrice   Jan-18-10 01:23 PM   #79 
  - There are no words....  BrklynLiberal   Jan-18-10 01:27 PM   #81 
  - And they wonder why people question their religous beliefs  wysimdnwyg   Jan-18-10 01:33 PM   #83 
  - .... and they seem to have control over our military . . . !!!!!  defendandprotect   Jan-18-10 01:37 PM   #88 
  - As one of the few Quakers who is also a Second Amendment activist...  derby378   Jan-18-10 01:34 PM   #86 
  - Demand refunds  dencol   Jan-18-10 01:40 PM   #91 
  - Oh, please  Abq_Sarah   Jan-18-10 08:21 PM   #174 
  - Politically correct has nothing to do with this. It's the Constitution and military regs.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 12:15 AM   #220 
  - These codes were SECRET and PUT ON ILLEGALLY  TankLV   Jan-19-10 05:47 AM   #243 
     - Calm down  Abq_Sarah   Jan-19-10 03:07 PM   #312 
        - I know the source of our disagreement.  dencol   Jan-19-10 10:08 PM   #333 
        - Have you ever seen an ACOG?  Abq_Sarah   Jan-19-10 10:35 PM   #334 
        - They're "hidden" because they're in the fucking fundy CODE that ONLY fundies will "know"...  TankLV   Jan-20-10 05:36 AM   #342 
           - I would appreciate it if you would  Abq_Sarah   Jan-20-10 03:25 PM   #348 
  - I just looked in mine  Katya Mullethov   Jan-20-10 10:01 PM   #351 
  - And that's when Jesus said "fuck it, I quit."  Initech   Jan-18-10 01:43 PM   #92 
  - Ahhh...Religion  Rebubula   Jan-18-10 01:45 PM   #93 
  - WWJS?  damntexdem   Jan-18-10 01:47 PM   #94 
  - $825 per sight?  frog92969   Jan-18-10 02:18 PM   #96 
  - $100 for the sight ... $795 for the fancy inscription  SomeGuyInEagan   Jan-18-10 05:18 PM   #138 
  - That part's been redacted  frog92969   Jan-18-10 06:54 PM   #156 
  - Depends upon how you interpret it. Maybe which translation, too.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 12:53 AM   #230 
  - That's less than you or I would pay  jmowreader   Jan-19-10 09:55 AM   #273 
     - Well, the bulk sale helps the cost -  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 01:36 PM   #298 
  - The question is are the references on *all* their sights?  hootinholler   Jan-18-10 02:18 PM   #97 
  - It has been like this since the beginning of this country ...  kgnu_fan   Jan-18-10 02:38 PM   #102 
  - True, American empire has always sewn death and destruction but  Mithreal   Jan-19-10 07:52 AM   #255 
     - You left the asterisk out of Clinton's quote:  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 01:43 PM   #299 
  - what came to my mind when I read this was  zbdent   Jan-18-10 02:44 PM   #103 
  - so, now that it's been exposed  choie   Jan-18-10 02:44 PM   #105 
  - Most likely not.  Jamastiene   Jan-19-10 12:56 AM   #231 
     - Military equipment contracts can, and do, specify that such things  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 01:47 PM   #300 
  - How the hell is this legal!?!  Odin2005   Jan-18-10 02:47 PM   #106 
  - after a kill, do they wash down their lunch with an In-N-Out Burger shake?  tomm2thumbs   Jan-18-10 03:04 PM   #112 
  - Jesus probably would eat at In-N-Out Burger.  BrightKnight   Jan-18-10 08:56 PM   #180 
     - And your basis for that supposition is what, exactly?  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 01:04 AM   #233 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-10 03:05 PM   #113 
  - No  frog92969   Jan-18-10 04:57 PM   #135 
  - From their site... "About us"  TxRider   Jan-18-10 03:05 PM   #114 
  - Seperation of Church and State  greengestalt   Jan-18-10 03:11 PM   #115 
  - Wow, this'll go over well in majority-Muslim countries that have bought the sights.  burning rain   Jan-18-10 03:36 PM   #118 
  - Why is that? Muslims do accept the Bible. So, why, please. /nt  Festivito   Jan-19-10 10:17 AM   #276 
     - Muslims DO NOT accept the divinity of Jesus.  burning rain   Jan-19-10 10:28 AM   #278 
     - One does not have to accept divinity in order to accept the Bible.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 11:00 AM   #282 
     - The Bible references included ones where Jesus is reverenced as divine.  burning rain   Jan-19-10 11:15 AM   #283 
        - But, they've already accepted the Bible, all verses.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 11:59 AM   #289 
           - You really think Muslims will see it that way?  burning rain   Jan-19-10 12:18 PM   #290 
              - It's their own religion that accepts the book, they accept their own religion.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 12:44 PM   #294 
                 - Muslims certainly do not perceive the Gospels, the Old Testament, & the Torah....  burning rain   Jan-19-10 02:04 PM   #302 
                    - Muslims do see the OT and NT as a part of Islam.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 02:20 PM   #304 
                       - Muslims in fact see the NT & OT as parts of an alien faith tradition.  burning rain   Jan-19-10 02:37 PM   #309 
                          - Alien faith tradition of a prophet who will yet return.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 03:15 PM   #313 
                             - How can you imagine Muslims would be happy...  burning rain   Jan-19-10 07:47 PM   #327 
                                - Happy? The model number reference on any gun near me would be the least of my worries.  Festivito   Jan-20-10 04:27 AM   #341 
                                   - Those who have taken up guns against Americans are already enemies.  burning rain   Jan-20-10 10:54 AM   #346 
     - In general, Christians do not accept it, they "believe" it.  Mithreal   Jan-19-10 05:58 PM   #323 
     - No, they accept that the bible is a holy book, but that it is flawed.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 01:52 PM   #301 
        - And, as an accepted holy book, passages can be accepted.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 02:35 PM   #307 
           - Wrong. It is ANOTHER'S holy book, and to be respected as such,  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 02:43 PM   #311 
              - Between canon and another's holy book lies much room for degree.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 03:30 PM   #315 
                 - Proselytize:  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 03:57 PM   #316 
                    - Then explain using your definition how these embedded #s proselytize.  Festivito   Jan-19-10 04:50 PM   #317 
                       - I never claimed that these magic symbols 'proselytize'.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-19-10 05:11 PM   #318 
                          - "The verse citing is proselytizing" #301, L I A R - U  Festivito   Jan-19-10 05:50 PM   #321 
                             - You are conflating two different topics into a single argument.  RaleighNCDUer   Jan-20-10 01:05 AM   #337 
                                - Do you think you fool people with simple assertions?  Festivito   Jan-20-10 04:18 AM   #340 
  - No surprise. Their God loves violence. I am sick of all the religion bullshit. Wake up sheeple.  felinetta   Jan-18-10 03:40 PM   #119 
  - Jesus loves violence? Really? Apparently, no one has a monopoly on bs.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 01:21 AM   #234 
     - Well, if you Believe His Words he did  panzerfaust   Jan-20-10 05:37 AM   #343 
  - Sad but not unexpected.............  Swede Atlanta    Jan-18-10 03:48 PM   #120 
  - $660 million contract? Watchout Trijicon, another 6 and you've got the mark of the Beast!!!  CrunchMaster   Jan-18-10 03:54 PM   #121 
  - "...for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."  AlbertCat   Jan-18-10 06:26 PM   #148 
  - There's "Good News" we can use!  pundaint   Jan-19-10 07:11 AM   #251 
  - America's Messianic [Christian] War Cult  The Stranger   Jan-18-10 03:56 PM   #122 
  - Hallehujah. n/t  OllieLotte   Jan-18-10 04:02 PM   #125 
  - ha! looks like terrorist are not the only ones doing the invocation of God...  AlphaCentauri   Jan-18-10 04:03 PM   #126 
  - Just Plain Wrong!  colsohlibgal   Jan-18-10 04:11 PM   #128 
  - BLASPHEMOUS!  Divine Discontent   Jan-18-10 04:29 PM   #131 
  - Not with my tax dollars. Get that propaganda off my weapons!  earcandle   Jan-18-10 04:50 PM   #134 
  - For crying out loud, how freaking stupid can any idea get!  Jefferson23   Jan-18-10 05:14 PM   #136 
  - Sick. These people are sick.  nilram   Jan-18-10 05:23 PM   #139 
  - Because I guess stamping it with "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" would cause a bit of confusion.  Dangerously Amused   Jan-18-10 05:24 PM   #140 
  - Actually, it's "Thou shalt not murder"  VermeerLives   Jan-18-10 08:01 PM   #168 
     - How convenient!  patrice   Jan-18-10 08:36 PM   #175 
     - Certainly some killings are justifiable. It would only make sense to make a distinction.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-18-10 10:42 PM   #194 
        - Yes, but self defense has been twisted to include killing people for what they could do because  patrice   Jan-18-10 11:03 PM   #201 
           - The law should give the beneift of the doubt to the victim instead of the criminal.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-18-10 11:37 PM   #211 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-20-10 08:46 PM   #350 
  - WHO IS ACTUALLY SURPRISED?  Therellas   Jan-18-10 05:43 PM   #142 
  - Jesus approved weaponry....what a concept!  NorthCarolina   Jan-18-10 05:47 PM   #143 
  - but God IS on our side....isn't he/she ?  Swagman   Jan-18-10 06:16 PM   #145 
  - Wow, I never noticed it on my M4...  PacerLJ35   Jan-18-10 06:27 PM   #149 
  - Boy that story has a  Ticonderoga   Jan-18-10 06:28 PM   #150 
  - Doesnt make a fat rats ass.  Thothmes   Jan-18-10 06:40 PM   #153 
  - Yep  Abq_Sarah   Jan-18-10 08:06 PM   #170 
  - I can't see that is should matter either. /nt  Festivito   Jan-19-10 10:25 AM   #277 
  - The Christian notion of God is so multi-purpose.  Politicub   Jan-18-10 07:11 PM   #159 
  - That's why Christianity  Enthusiast   Jan-19-10 06:30 AM   #248 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-18-10 07:21 PM   #160 
  - knr for education  kgnu_fan   Jan-18-10 07:28 PM   #161 
  - Who Would Jesus Shoot  mzteris   Jan-18-10 07:42 PM   #162 
  - Think Indian Mutiny-  GoneOffShore   Jan-18-10 07:57 PM   #165 
  - Exactly...  PacerLJ35   Jan-18-10 08:00 PM   #166 
     - On Nightline tonight, they said the scopes were used on weapons  Jamastiene   Jan-19-10 01:28 AM   #236 
  - Rachel - like I need another excuse to love you more each & every day!!!  bullwinkle428   Jan-18-10 08:47 PM   #177 
  - And it was smarmy, snide and hyperbolic.  PavePusher   Jan-18-10 09:32 PM   #187 
  - I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. n/t  captain jack   Jan-18-10 08:50 PM   #178 
  - You beat me to it, cap.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 12:38 AM   #227 
  - The biblical references are to "light" which is critical to these optics.  aikoaiko   Jan-18-10 09:31 PM   #185 
  - They are COTS items...  PavePusher   Jan-18-10 09:34 PM   #188 
     - Indeed. We shall however lap it up.  Robb   Jan-19-10 08:00 AM   #256 
  - Since when did Jesus say it was OK to kill the people of the Arab nations?  DainBramaged   Jan-18-10 09:31 PM   #186 
  - This is just vile...  Spryboy   Jan-18-10 09:36 PM   #189 
  - "If Jesus came back today and saw what was  Mendocino   Jan-18-10 10:00 PM   #191 
  - Trijicon's  dashrif   Jan-18-10 10:42 PM   #193 
  - Forget gunpowder...The power of christ propels you!!! n/t  kjones   Jan-18-10 10:42 PM   #195 
  - It's just like the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch; except, um, really sick.  mn9driver   Jan-18-10 10:53 PM   #197 
  - Wow, Praise The Lord and Pass The Ammunition.  Joe Bacon   Jan-18-10 10:59 PM   #200 
  - My Trijicon slant pro 8 tritium night sights don't have this shit on them  AtheistCrusader   Jan-18-10 11:12 PM   #205 
  - I  dashrif   Jan-18-10 11:46 PM   #214 
  - Whether they've always added it is not relevant to whether they should  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 01:27 AM   #235 
  - Maybe, as the other poster pointed out, it is always 'on that model'  AtheistCrusader   Jan-19-10 10:42 AM   #280 
  - The US Government  Abq_Sarah   Jan-20-10 02:08 AM   #339 
  - I'm pretty sure a heinie sight  Abq_Sarah   Jan-20-10 02:04 AM   #338 
     - Hmm, good point.  AtheistCrusader   Jan-20-10 12:50 PM   #347 
  - we really did stop being the good guys a while ago didn't we  wial   Jan-18-10 11:13 PM   #206 
  - "We?" When did Trijicon become "we?" And when do I get my share of that $660 million?  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 01:37 AM   #237 
  - As though Christ was in favor of killing.  UrbScotty   Jan-18-10 11:44 PM   #213 
  - "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." - Jesus Christ  ZombieHorde   Jan-19-10 12:04 AM   #217 
  - Totally out of context and not intended literally anyway.  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 01:48 AM   #239 
  - I don't know what interpretation you believe I was thinking of when I posted that passage,  ZombieHorde   Jan-19-10 09:22 AM   #266 
  - You proved that you could take a bible quote out of context as well as the most rabid fundie  tjwash   Jan-19-10 09:07 AM   #261 
     - I see you are attacking me instead of my statement.  ZombieHorde   Jan-19-10 09:25 AM   #268 
  - "Those of you who are not Christians, well, whatever, get over it."  Jamastiene   Jan-19-10 01:40 AM   #238 
  - Trijicon is off base about that as well. Many Christians fully support separation of Church and  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 02:04 AM   #240 
  - Of course, many Christians fully support separation of Church and State.  Jamastiene   Jan-19-10 02:12 AM   #241 
  - Pretty thin skinned, and not very bright on the comments over there.  mn9driver   Jan-19-10 09:21 AM   #265 
  - Thomas Jefferson would be sickened...  Hubert Flottz   Jan-19-10 05:56 AM   #244 
  - all true believers are freaking insane  bowens43   Jan-19-10 07:06 AM   #250 
  - That is really sick  CanonRay   Jan-19-10 08:16 AM   #258 
  - Since when does a 5.56mm bullet equal  SlingBlade   Jan-19-10 09:00 AM   #259 
  - It doesn't. the reference to light is about how the optic collects light to form a reticle  aikoaiko   Jan-19-10 09:19 AM   #264 
     - It appears to imply Jesus helps snipers find their targets.  burning rain   Jan-19-10 02:16 PM   #303 
        - I didn't interpret it that way -- but I could see how someone might.  aikoaiko   Jan-19-10 07:45 PM   #326 
  - How is truly sickening  ElsewheresDaughter   Jan-19-10 09:05 AM   #260 
  - Perhaps they should  anachro1   Jan-19-10 09:23 AM   #267 
  - Adolf Hitler  anachro1   Jan-19-10 09:25 AM   #269 
  - No, true believers just pretend he wasn't.  Deep13   Jan-19-10 09:35 AM   #271 
  - Not really true  demwing   Jan-19-10 10:29 AM   #279 
  - I'm an Agnostic and for some reason this story makes me want to buy one of those  slackmaster   Jan-19-10 09:59 AM   #274 
  - Why should I, a tax payer, have to pay money so Christians can promote their religion?  W T F   Jan-19-10 10:17 AM   #275 
  - OK, the weapons provided the government do not comply with US law. They are defective.  Piewhacket   Jan-19-10 10:56 AM   #281 
  - John Chapter 8, Verse 12 does not end with "And he who doth not followeth me  Lorien   Jan-19-10 11:50 AM   #284 
  - Oh lovely. Made-to-order propaganda for the jihadists.  KamaAina   Jan-19-10 12:24 PM   #291 
  - psychos always claimed god was on the soldier's side  fascisthunter   Jan-19-10 05:53 PM   #322 
  - Absurd  JonHoch3   Jan-23-10 09:10 PM   #354 
  - It is absurd that the government didn't do it's due diligence.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-23-10 10:15 PM   #356 
  - Idiot reporters they can't get anything right.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Jan-23-10 10:14 PM   #355 

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