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Mon Jan-18-10 10:33 AM
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| 36. THERE IS NOT A BUMPERSTICKER SOLUTION TO THIS COMPLEX ISSUE |
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if we are entering a "global" economy, there are consequences... when clinton signed etc, my concern was that we should "somehow" go in 5% each year so the shock and aftershocks of this type of financial change could be absorbed into our economy. we benefit from certain illegal labor--- but in a global economy, where other countries have no child labor laws or minimum wage, you have to calculate how to deal with the fact that other "suppliers" will have that advantage over your own suppliers (who have to compete with such various constraints).
when manual labor was "outsourced".... (illegal labor in the USA).... the white collar workers did not complain when physical skilled labor was "outsourced".... (building cars in cheap labor countries).... the white collar workers did not complain when certain office jobs were "outsourced".... (help desk, phone services)..... the white collar workers did not complain when the military was "outsourced".... (blackwater etc) the white collar workers did not complain AMAZING THEN when the white collar jobs are being outsources they get so little sympathy from everyone else
=============================SO MY FAVORITE QUOTE FOR THIS WEEK===================================== First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist; Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew; Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out. ====================================================================================================
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| -India to push US on social security pact |
Newsjock |
Jan-18-10 12:43 AM |
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So, don't have Indians working in the U.S. I'm fine with that. |
JDPriestly |
Jan-18-10 01:09 AM |
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The people that did that work were over qualified, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. n/t |
sce56 |
Jan-18-10 01:19 AM |
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Americans are already trained - they're just unemployed |
Skittles |
Jan-18-10 04:30 AM |
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Bingo. I have been bitching about the H1B type visas forever........ |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 06:13 AM |
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Amen |
ekwhite |
Jan-18-10 08:27 AM |
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Cut the right-wing BS, don't disguise it as an anti-corp logic |
ChangoLoa |
Jan-18-10 10:05 AM |
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No. If you want to "blame" , blame the origin countries................ |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 11:40 AM |
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What do you suggest to us, 3rd World countries, for "keeping our investment in human capital"? |
ChangoLoa |
Jan-18-10 12:36 PM |
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And, there shouldn't be unfair to workers and poor people trade.......... |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 02:33 PM |
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Maybe re-read the article (a bit slower this time.) US citizens must work 40 quarters to receive SS |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 11:45 AM |
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Well... what does "short-term" mean? |
ChangoLoa |
Jan-18-10 12:26 PM |
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I don't understand your question. It is not in US workers' interest to provide |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 12:31 PM |
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If the Indians don't like our rules, let them stay home. |
JDPriestly |
Jan-18-10 02:38 PM |
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India is a country with a growing economy. Our alleged growth is just a lie. |
JDPriestly |
Jan-18-10 02:35 PM |
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Nonsense.. Third world countries are giving the U.S. their best people for free? |
No Elephants |
Jan-19-10 03:25 AM |
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It's a metaphor |
ChangoLoa |
Jan-19-10 07:12 PM |
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Agreed. n/t |
OhioChick |
Jan-18-10 10:59 AM |
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Do you know how to get more American's to study Vector Calculus and Differential Equations? |
zaj |
Jan-18-10 10:03 AM |
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Make sure that there are jobs for them |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-10 10:45 AM |
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Yep. But you know that ain't gonna happen. The "new" US slogan..... |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 11:51 AM |
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There are jobs for highly American skilled engineering with Masters or PHD's |
zaj |
Jan-18-10 04:23 PM |
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Then beat the shit out of OUR politicians so our education system.............. |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 11:46 AM |
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Improving our education system to produce more kids who want to study advanced math.... |
zaj |
Jan-18-10 04:24 PM |
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You know what? You're right. But, the same can be said for................ |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 06:27 PM |
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Isn't everything a lot easier said than done? E.g., putting a man on the moon "in this decade." |
No Elephants |
Jan-19-10 03:33 AM |
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Don't outsource half the jobs that require that expertise, and undercut the other half |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 11:46 AM |
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The American engineering bubble burst in the 70/80's when... |
zaj |
Jan-18-10 04:28 PM |
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"As a nation, we aren't motivated to do that." Yet you say you know for a fact |
No Elephants |
Jan-19-10 03:37 AM |
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Reduce student visas so that american students have the opportunity? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jan-18-10 11:48 AM |
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American student's aren't interested in PHD programs in engineering... |
zaj |
Jan-18-10 04:29 PM |
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Just another of the "jobs americans won't do". Right? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jan-19-10 09:31 AM |
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You get Americans to study those subjects by going into the schools |
JDPriestly |
Jan-18-10 02:43 PM |
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The US Defense industry is probably working the hardest because... |
zaj |
Jan-18-10 04:32 PM |
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lolz, lk y wud I want 2 do dat? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-19-10 04:13 AM |
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zaj, I have a daughter who loves calculus and who has a |
JDPriestly |
Jan-18-10 02:57 PM |
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Best post on the subject so far... |
zaj |
Jan-18-10 04:35 PM |
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Pay them more and get the word out that those companies will hire native-born Americans, |
amandabeech |
Jan-18-10 04:59 PM |
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I spent 6 years in an engineering program. and I can tell you... |
zaj |
Jan-19-10 02:56 AM |
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Yep. Same way the U.S. encouraged U.S. citizens to study math and science five minutes |
No Elephants |
Jan-19-10 03:31 AM |
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*Sigh* |
Stumbler |
Jan-18-10 01:56 AM |
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If they don't want to pay the tax they are free to go home at any time. |
OregonBlue |
Jan-18-10 02:32 AM |
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This isn't news, the US has "totalization agreements" with many countries |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-18-10 03:39 AM |
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These people act like freepers any time India is mentioned ... |
cosmicone |
Jan-18-10 03:54 AM |
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I find the rhetoric irritating, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-18-10 04:21 AM |
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It is irritating. |
cosmicone |
Jan-18-10 08:46 AM |
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Well your race baiting is pretty annoying too. |
Lasher |
Jan-18-10 11:26 AM |
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It is a legitimate question, why is there no outrage over the E3 visa given to Australians? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-18-10 11:44 AM |
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Comicone? It's been awhile since I've seen a typo that was so amusing. |
Lasher |
Jan-18-10 01:06 PM |
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How is it a stawman, why is it okay for Australians to steal jobs, but not Indians? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-18-10 01:50 PM |
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I think we know the answer to that one |
treestar |
Jan-18-10 03:59 PM |
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uhh... it has to be the folksy accent... right? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-18-10 08:49 PM |
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You act like a freeper anytime Pakistan is mentioned |
bananas |
Jan-18-10 04:54 AM |
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"like"? |
closeupready |
Jan-18-10 08:57 AM |
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+1...Speaks Volumes n/t |
OhioChick |
Jan-18-10 01:43 PM |
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Then what about the fucking poor Mexicans? The illegals pay............ |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 06:34 AM |
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So being here illegally is the same as being here legally? n/t |
cosmicone |
Jan-18-10 08:41 AM |
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When it comes to the "payroll tax", I fucking guess so. There is a............ |
pattmarty |
Jan-18-10 08:54 AM |
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I don't have kids, but I pay taxes to fund K-12 education |
Juche |
Jan-18-10 08:52 AM |
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Exactly +1 |
ChangoLoa |
Jan-18-10 09:56 AM |
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Good! Then get my Social Security back for me. I contributed |
mbperrin |
Jan-19-10 02:39 PM |
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You have the exact same concern for US workers as do posters on that *other* site. |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 10:05 AM |
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No, I am just an American working abroad who doesn't hate foreign workers |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-18-10 11:51 AM |
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Supporting American workers being tantamount to "hating foreign workers" is vile framing |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 11:56 AM |
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I see just as much stupid xenophobia around here as there, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Jan-18-10 02:10 PM |
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And nearly as much corporatism/neoliberal economics. nt |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 02:36 PM |
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F H1-B and the horse they rode in on |
NJGeek |
Jan-19-10 11:08 PM |
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Corporation should start paying - They won't, so we'll have to pay.... |
LaPera |
Jan-18-10 05:13 AM |
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You won't be paying for their SS ... |
cosmicone |
Jan-18-10 08:43 AM |
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Not even fair yet |
ChangoLoa |
Jan-18-10 10:08 AM |
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So now we're not only bringing in foreigners to take jobs from Americans |
Ganja Ninja |
Jan-18-10 05:41 AM |
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Well once you're on the way to destroying your own middle class |
shadowknows69 |
Jan-18-10 08:35 AM |
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This is about more than being "fair", it's also about keeping our Social Security system solvent |
groundloop |
Jan-18-10 06:51 AM |
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Agree. nt |
Justyce |
Jan-18-10 08:46 AM |
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Just another shovel of dirt in the face of our dwindling middle class! |
1776Forever |
Jan-18-10 08:31 AM |
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Get rid of the H1B visas! |
Joanne98 |
Jan-18-10 08:34 AM |
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+1 |
AzDar |
Jan-18-10 10:10 AM |
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+2 n/t |
ChromeFoundry |
Jan-18-10 01:35 PM |
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+3 nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jan-18-10 03:16 PM |
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+4 |
Veruca Salt |
Jan-19-10 10:58 PM |
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If it is a program rife with the abuses we've seen over the last few years, then absolutely. |
closeupready |
Jan-18-10 09:24 PM |
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Then let them stay home |
Angry Dragon |
Jan-18-10 09:37 AM |
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In what way is it "fair" to make it cheaper/more attractive for US corps. to hire foreigners? nt |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 10:05 AM |
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Corporations get tax breaks for moving overseas, so the guestworkers |
blue97keet |
Jan-18-10 10:18 AM |
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Where Are The So-Called "Conservatives" on this? |
Mark D. |
Jan-18-10 10:30 AM |
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I do that all the time in my local paper's online comments sections-- |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-18-10 10:48 AM |
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THERE IS NOT A BUMPERSTICKER SOLUTION TO THIS COMPLEX ISSUE |
happygoluckytoyou |
Jan-18-10 10:33 AM |
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I've often argued that layed off auto workers, e.g., *can't afford* pricy |
Romulox |
Jan-18-10 11:13 AM |
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If your interest is in protecting US workers. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jan-18-10 11:51 AM |
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Having been a factory worker, test tech, and an engineer (software) |
blue97keet |
Jan-18-10 04:17 PM |
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Anyone working in the US should have to contribute to social security |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Jan-18-10 02:54 PM |
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and everybody should get a check by 65 regardless of their citizenship n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Jan-18-10 03:30 PM |
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What happens when these workers on H-1B visas go back to their countries? |
varun |
Jan-18-10 03:02 PM |
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if they are not going to get a pension why should they pay? |
AlphaCentauri |
Jan-18-10 03:27 PM |
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No, it shouldn't |
DatManFromNawlins |
Jan-18-10 10:24 PM |
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Well, the H1 visa won't allow them to become citizens |
AlphaCentauri |
Jan-18-10 11:51 PM |
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Right. Because H1s never get green cards or eventually apply for citizenship. |
DatManFromNawlins |
Jan-19-10 02:29 PM |
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H1B does not qualify one for a green card |
varun |
Jan-19-10 08:08 PM |
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If banks can dog consumers with a billion fees then I consider this a fee for working here. |
hollowdweller |
Jan-18-10 09:53 PM |
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Hold it! Has anyone realized yet that...................... |
LongTomH |
Jan-19-10 12:58 PM |
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