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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:33 AM
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36. THERE IS NOT A BUMPERSTICKER SOLUTION TO THIS COMPLEX ISSUE
if we are entering a "global" economy, there are consequences... when clinton signed etc, my concern was that we should "somehow" go in 5% each year so the shock and aftershocks of this type of financial change could be absorbed into our economy. we benefit from certain illegal labor--- but in a global economy, where other countries have no child labor laws or minimum wage, you have to calculate how to deal with the fact that other "suppliers" will have that advantage over your own suppliers (who have to compete with such various constraints).

when manual labor was "outsourced".... (illegal labor in the USA).... the white collar workers did not complain
when physical skilled labor was "outsourced".... (building cars in cheap labor countries).... the white collar workers did not complain
when certain office jobs were "outsourced".... (help desk, phone services)..... the white collar workers did not complain
when the military was "outsourced".... (blackwater etc) the white collar workers did not complain
AMAZING THEN when the white collar jobs are being outsources they get so little sympathy from everyone else

=============================SO MY FAVORITE QUOTE FOR THIS WEEK=====================================
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out.
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  -India to push US on social security pact Newsjock  Jan-18-10 12:43 AM   #0 
  - So, don't have Indians working in the U.S. I'm fine with that.  JDPriestly   Jan-18-10 01:09 AM   #1 
  - The people that did that work were over qualified, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. n/t  sce56   Jan-18-10 01:19 AM   #2 
  - Americans are already trained - they're just unemployed  Skittles   Jan-18-10 04:30 AM   #8 
  - Bingo. I have been bitching about the H1B type visas forever........  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 06:13 AM   #12 
  - Amen  ekwhite   Jan-18-10 08:27 AM   #15 
  - Cut the right-wing BS, don't disguise it as an anti-corp logic  ChangoLoa   Jan-18-10 10:05 AM   #30 
  - No. If you want to "blame" , blame the origin countries................  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 11:40 AM   #42 
  - What do you suggest to us, 3rd World countries, for "keeping our investment in human capital"?  ChangoLoa   Jan-18-10 12:36 PM   #54 
     - And, there shouldn't be unfair to workers and poor people trade..........  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 02:33 PM   #60 
  - Maybe re-read the article (a bit slower this time.) US citizens must work 40 quarters to receive SS  Romulox   Jan-18-10 11:45 AM   #44 
  - Well... what does "short-term" mean?  ChangoLoa   Jan-18-10 12:26 PM   #52 
  - I don't understand your question. It is not in US workers' interest to provide  Romulox   Jan-18-10 12:31 PM   #53 
  - If the Indians don't like our rules, let them stay home.  JDPriestly   Jan-18-10 02:38 PM   #63 
  - India is a country with a growing economy. Our alleged growth is just a lie.  JDPriestly   Jan-18-10 02:35 PM   #61 
  - Nonsense.. Third world countries are giving the U.S. their best people for free?  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 03:25 AM   #87 
     - It's a metaphor  ChangoLoa   Jan-19-10 07:12 PM   #96 
  - Agreed. n/t  OhioChick   Jan-18-10 10:59 AM   #39 
  - Do you know how to get more American's to study Vector Calculus and Differential Equations?  zaj   Jan-18-10 10:03 AM   #28 
     - Make sure that there are jobs for them  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-18-10 10:45 AM   #37 
     - Yep. But you know that ain't gonna happen. The "new" US slogan.....  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 11:51 AM   #50 
     - There are jobs for highly American skilled engineering with Masters or PHD's  zaj   Jan-18-10 04:23 PM   #73 
     - Then beat the shit out of OUR politicians so our education system..............  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 11:46 AM   #45 
     - Improving our education system to produce more kids who want to study advanced math....  zaj   Jan-18-10 04:24 PM   #74 
        - You know what? You're right. But, the same can be said for................  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 06:27 PM   #80 
        - Isn't everything a lot easier said than done? E.g., putting a man on the moon "in this decade."  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 03:33 AM   #89 
     - Don't outsource half the jobs that require that expertise, and undercut the other half  Romulox   Jan-18-10 11:46 AM   #46 
     - The American engineering bubble burst in the 70/80's when...  zaj   Jan-18-10 04:28 PM   #75 
        - "As a nation, we aren't motivated to do that." Yet you say you know for a fact  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 03:37 AM   #90 
     - Reduce student visas so that american students have the opportunity?  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-18-10 11:48 AM   #47 
     - American student's aren't interested in PHD programs in engineering...  zaj   Jan-18-10 04:29 PM   #76 
        - Just another of the "jobs americans won't do". Right?  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-19-10 09:31 AM   #92 
     - You get Americans to study those subjects by going into the schools  JDPriestly   Jan-18-10 02:43 PM   #64 
     - The US Defense industry is probably working the hardest because...  zaj   Jan-18-10 04:32 PM   #77 
     - lolz, lk y wud I want 2 do dat?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-19-10 04:13 AM   #91 
     - zaj, I have a daughter who loves calculus and who has a  JDPriestly   Jan-18-10 02:57 PM   #66 
     - Best post on the subject so far...  zaj   Jan-18-10 04:35 PM   #78 
     - Pay them more and get the word out that those companies will hire native-born Americans,  amandabeech   Jan-18-10 04:59 PM   #79 
     - I spent 6 years in an engineering program. and I can tell you...  zaj   Jan-19-10 02:56 AM   #86 
     - Yep. Same way the U.S. encouraged U.S. citizens to study math and science five minutes  No Elephants   Jan-19-10 03:31 AM   #88 
  - *Sigh*  Stumbler   Jan-18-10 01:56 AM   #3 
  - If they don't want to pay the tax they are free to go home at any time.  OregonBlue   Jan-18-10 02:32 AM   #4 
  - This isn't news, the US has "totalization agreements" with many countries  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-18-10 03:39 AM   #5 
  - These people act like freepers any time India is mentioned ...  cosmicone   Jan-18-10 03:54 AM   #6 
  - I find the rhetoric irritating,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-18-10 04:21 AM   #7 
  - It is irritating.  cosmicone   Jan-18-10 08:46 AM   #22 
  - Well your race baiting is pretty annoying too.  Lasher   Jan-18-10 11:26 AM   #41 
     - It is a legitimate question, why is there no outrage over the E3 visa given to Australians?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-18-10 11:44 AM   #43 
        - Comicone? It's been awhile since I've seen a typo that was so amusing.  Lasher   Jan-18-10 01:06 PM   #55 
           - How is it a stawman, why is it okay for Australians to steal jobs, but not Indians?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-18-10 01:50 PM   #58 
              - I think we know the answer to that one  treestar   Jan-18-10 03:59 PM   #71 
                 - uhh... it has to be the folksy accent... right?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-18-10 08:49 PM   #81 
  - You act like a freeper anytime Pakistan is mentioned  bananas   Jan-18-10 04:54 AM   #9 
  - "like"?  closeupready   Jan-18-10 08:57 AM   #25 
  - +1...Speaks Volumes n/t  OhioChick   Jan-18-10 01:43 PM   #57 
  - Then what about the fucking poor Mexicans? The illegals pay............  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 06:34 AM   #13 
  - So being here illegally is the same as being here legally? n/t  cosmicone   Jan-18-10 08:41 AM   #19 
     - When it comes to the "payroll tax", I fucking guess so. There is a............  pattmarty   Jan-18-10 08:54 AM   #24 
  - I don't have kids, but I pay taxes to fund K-12 education  Juche   Jan-18-10 08:52 AM   #23 
  - Exactly +1  ChangoLoa   Jan-18-10 09:56 AM   #27 
  - Good! Then get my Social Security back for me. I contributed  mbperrin   Jan-19-10 02:39 PM   #95 
  - You have the exact same concern for US workers as do posters on that *other* site.  Romulox   Jan-18-10 10:05 AM   #31 
  - No, I am just an American working abroad who doesn't hate foreign workers  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-18-10 11:51 AM   #49 
     - Supporting American workers being tantamount to "hating foreign workers" is vile framing  Romulox   Jan-18-10 11:56 AM   #51 
        - I see just as much stupid xenophobia around here as there,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Jan-18-10 02:10 PM   #59 
           - And nearly as much corporatism/neoliberal economics. nt  Romulox   Jan-18-10 02:36 PM   #62 
  - F H1-B and the horse they rode in on  NJGeek   Jan-19-10 11:08 PM   #99 
  - Corporation should start paying - They won't, so we'll have to pay....  LaPera   Jan-18-10 05:13 AM   #10 
  - You won't be paying for their SS ...  cosmicone   Jan-18-10 08:43 AM   #20 
     - Not even fair yet  ChangoLoa   Jan-18-10 10:08 AM   #32 
  - So now we're not only bringing in foreigners to take jobs from Americans  Ganja Ninja   Jan-18-10 05:41 AM   #11 
  - Well once you're on the way to destroying your own middle class  shadowknows69   Jan-18-10 08:35 AM   #18 
  - This is about more than being "fair", it's also about keeping our Social Security system solvent  groundloop   Jan-18-10 06:51 AM   #14 
  - Agree. nt  Justyce   Jan-18-10 08:46 AM   #21 
  - Just another shovel of dirt in the face of our dwindling middle class!  1776Forever   Jan-18-10 08:31 AM   #16 
  - Get rid of the H1B visas!  Joanne98   Jan-18-10 08:34 AM   #17 
  - +1  AzDar   Jan-18-10 10:10 AM   #33 
  - +2 n/t  ChromeFoundry   Jan-18-10 01:35 PM   #56 
  - +3 nt  SammyWinstonJack   Jan-18-10 03:16 PM   #68 
     - +4  Veruca Salt   Jan-19-10 10:58 PM   #98 
  - If it is a program rife with the abuses we've seen over the last few years, then absolutely.  closeupready   Jan-18-10 09:24 PM   #82 
  - Then let them stay home  Angry Dragon   Jan-18-10 09:37 AM   #26 
  - In what way is it "fair" to make it cheaper/more attractive for US corps. to hire foreigners? nt  Romulox   Jan-18-10 10:05 AM   #29 
  - Corporations get tax breaks for moving overseas, so the guestworkers  blue97keet   Jan-18-10 10:18 AM   #34 
  - Where Are The So-Called "Conservatives" on this?  Mark D.   Jan-18-10 10:30 AM   #35 
  - I do that all the time in my local paper's online comments sections--  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-18-10 10:48 AM   #38 
  - THERE IS NOT A BUMPERSTICKER SOLUTION TO THIS COMPLEX ISSUE  happygoluckytoyou   Jan-18-10 10:33 AM   #36 
  - I've often argued that layed off auto workers, e.g., *can't afford* pricy  Romulox   Jan-18-10 11:13 AM   #40 
  - If your interest is in protecting US workers.  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-18-10 11:51 AM   #48 
  - Having been a factory worker, test tech, and an engineer (software)  blue97keet   Jan-18-10 04:17 PM   #72 
  - Anyone working in the US should have to contribute to social security  La Lioness Priyanka   Jan-18-10 02:54 PM   #65 
  - and everybody should get a check by 65 regardless of their citizenship n/t  AlphaCentauri   Jan-18-10 03:30 PM   #70 
  - What happens when these workers on H-1B visas go back to their countries?  varun   Jan-18-10 03:02 PM   #67 
  - if they are not going to get a pension why should they pay?  AlphaCentauri   Jan-18-10 03:27 PM   #69 
  - No, it shouldn't  DatManFromNawlins   Jan-18-10 10:24 PM   #84 
     - Well, the H1 visa won't allow them to become citizens  AlphaCentauri   Jan-18-10 11:51 PM   #85 
        - Right. Because H1s never get green cards or eventually apply for citizenship.  DatManFromNawlins   Jan-19-10 02:29 PM   #94 
           - H1B does not qualify one for a green card  varun   Jan-19-10 08:08 PM   #97 
  - If banks can dog consumers with a billion fees then I consider this a fee for working here.  hollowdweller   Jan-18-10 09:53 PM   #83 
  - Hold it! Has anyone realized yet that......................  LongTomH   Jan-19-10 12:58 PM   #93 
 

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