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81. Late "converts" to this bill include Sanders, Feingold and Weiner. Wonder who the WH
and the rest of the Democratic leadership REALLY leaned on?
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  -Feingold: Obama Responsible For Loss Of Public Option kpete  Dec-20-09 09:40 PM   #0 
  - Hmm the Head in the sanders don't want anyone to know the truth  dkf   Dec-20-09 09:45 PM   #1 
  - Truth is too dangerous when you're a Panglossian  villager   Dec-21-09 02:37 AM   #53 
  - This has now been posted about 8 zillion times  bluestateguy   Dec-20-09 09:45 PM   #2 
  - First time I saw it. Glad it was posted. We need to know it.  madfloridian   Dec-20-09 10:03 PM   #6 
  - Same here. It's important to Democrats. n/t  Judi Lynn   Dec-21-09 11:08 AM   #131 
  - It isn't important if "we" got tthe message  bfarq   Dec-20-09 10:05 PM   #8 
  - Along those lines...  FedUp_Queer   Dec-20-09 10:58 PM   #18 
  - Lots of reasons.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 04:14 AM   #56 
  - Super delegates? That is what comes to mind when  Bluenorthwest   Dec-21-09 07:21 AM   #100 
  - "That way, the media and the Republicans can't spin...  tomp   Dec-21-09 09:45 AM   #117 
  - +1 There is merit in what you say, but there are better options.  ooglymoogly   Dec-21-09 10:02 AM   #118 
  - I'm not worried about people here not voting  bfarq   Dec-21-09 12:08 PM   #138 
  - The fall in numbers might well be sufficient to embolden the Reps to  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-21-09 02:22 PM   #155 
  - What was once true no longer pertains.  pundaint   Dec-21-09 02:45 PM   #158 
  - All very good suggestions. Thanks  laughingliberal   Dec-21-09 06:50 PM   #169 
  - Because it's your duty  tavalon   Dec-21-09 05:30 AM   #75 
  - The Democrats are just not trying hard enough. Conceding a few more things mighth help. Worth a try?  TheEuclideanOne   Dec-21-09 07:57 AM   #106 
  - tell me why I should vote.  AlbertCat   Dec-21-09 03:09 PM   #160 
  - Electorial disaster huh?You think we're gonna vote for Bushies to punish dems?  bjobotts   Dec-20-09 11:39 PM   #25 
  - Repubs offer NOTHING but more disaster in every area.Sure we're gonna vote for them, RIIght  bjobotts   Dec-20-09 11:40 PM   #26 
  - A handful of dems is not the dem party.We have 51 senators who vote for robust PO  bjobotts   Dec-20-09 11:42 PM   #27 
  - It's the senate filibuster holding the nation hostage not the dem party.  bjobotts   Dec-20-09 11:43 PM   #28 
  - Um ,the Dem Party could have abolished the 60 vote rules with 51 votes.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:02 AM   #64 
     - Is that true? I thought rules changes requires a supermajority  bfarq   Dec-21-09 12:18 PM   #140 
        - I believe all that is needed for a rules change is...  MilesColtrane   Dec-21-09 01:55 PM   #152 
        - Very perceptive of you  Scruffy1   Dec-21-09 02:14 PM   #154 
        - It is mostly theater to give us the illusion that we have democratic government  bfarq   Dec-21-09 06:20 PM   #168 
        - There is a rule of the Senate that says it takes 67 votes to change the rules of the Senate. However  laughingliberal   Dec-21-09 07:00 PM   #170 
        - Nuclear option information  laughingliberal   Dec-21-09 07:07 PM   #172 
  - How do you know? When was the vote on a robust public option?  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 04:28 AM   #58 
  - bjobotts  katkat   Dec-21-09 06:27 AM   #87 
  - That's true and we know that, but many of the indie voters will vote pub.  AllyCat   Dec-21-09 09:11 AM   #114 
  - I think a lot of people who aren't especially active  dflprincess   Dec-21-09 12:22 AM   #36 
  - In my state a large number of votes are being cast by absentee ballot . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 01:44 AM   #45 
  - No, but Republicans and Independents voted for Obama in 2008, not only hard core Democrats.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 04:23 AM   #57 
  - And that's how the DLCer's know they have you by the short hairs. nt  WriteDown   Dec-21-09 08:37 AM   #111 
  - This is all a game -- pretense . . . the day that Obama eloped into the White House ...  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 01:51 AM   #47 
  - And that is why, whoever the fuck is on the ballot........  howmad1   Dec-21-09 10:56 AM   #125 
     - Understand what you are saying . . . and ...  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 03:06 PM   #159 
        - There are people too pure to waste their precious and important votes on voting for  suzie   Dec-21-09 03:36 PM   #162 
           - Unfortunately, what you're repeating a lot of disinformation . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-22-09 08:39 AM   #183 
  - I totally agree with you  workinclasszero   Dec-21-09 07:22 AM   #101 
  - Stabbed him in the back? He is one of them and got what he wanted!  saracat   Dec-21-09 03:41 PM   #163 
     - Stabbed in the front, I guess  bfarq   Dec-21-09 09:49 PM   #175 
  - Well said bfarq  JustAnotherGen   Dec-21-09 10:44 AM   #124 
  - Let us pray 1st that some Senators have actually handed Rahm their balls & 2nd that  patrice   Dec-21-09 12:35 PM   #143 
  - A Theory  dnricci   Dec-21-09 12:35 PM   #144 
  - And, first time I've seen it -- what you're really saying is you don't the report . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 01:46 AM   #46 
  - good  omega minimo   Dec-21-09 01:57 AM   #49 
  - New to me as well  Christa   Dec-21-09 07:14 AM   #98 
  - Is it burning your eyes to see this? nt  ooglymoogly   Dec-21-09 10:15 AM   #121 
  - So did you kick all 8 zillion posts? nt  rhett o rick   Dec-21-09 11:05 AM   #129 
  - Yet it is "Late Breaking News."  LWolf   Dec-21-09 12:25 PM   #141 
  - I trust the breadth and depth of Feingold's perspective, so I needed this. I'm glad I didn't miss it  patrice   Dec-21-09 12:30 PM   #142 
  - CYA for his vote?  DJ13   Dec-20-09 09:48 PM   #3 
  - Sold out again.  girl gone mad   Dec-20-09 10:05 PM   #9 
  - That, too ---  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 01:56 AM   #48 
     - Correct on all counts. I think the thing that burns me the most is...  Wardoc   Dec-21-09 04:00 AM   #55 
        - A Christmas present for the "for profit" health care industry . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 01:19 PM   #149 
  - Without the public option this bill is worse than the current situaton.  naaman fletcher   Dec-20-09 09:52 PM   #4 
  - Republicans Have Repeatedly Said That We Should Start From Scratch...  TomCADem   Dec-20-09 10:04 PM   #7 
  - Yeah, the Republicans have COMPLETELY different ideas of how to handle this.  Jamastiene   Dec-21-09 01:09 AM   #39 
  - The Republican objective  Enthusiast   Dec-21-09 04:44 AM   #60 
  - I can remember when we thought we would not have to worry about war in the Middle East if we elected  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 04:58 AM   #63 
  - "the possibility of war with Iran"  Jackpine Radical   Dec-21-09 08:33 AM   #109 
     - That would be  Enthusiast   Dec-22-09 06:28 AM   #182 
  - Republicans are insincere. Film at 11. What does that have to do with Feingold's comment, or  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:07 AM   #66 
  - I don't see how forcing everyone to buy this monopolized crap is  roguevalley   Dec-20-09 11:10 PM   #22 
  - Bill translation: "Hand your cash to insurance cos and pharma, or IRS will bust your chops."  Psephos   Dec-20-09 11:52 PM   #31 
     - The Street Translation :  Dragonfli   Dec-21-09 11:09 AM   #132 
        - well said n/t  Psephos   Dec-21-09 12:15 PM   #139 
        - Perfectly said ~ and I'm still trying to grasp  sabrina 1   Dec-21-09 05:35 PM   #167 
           - I don't get it either, It will hurt many, but I know why the TV liberals don't bring up the mandate.  Dragonfli   Dec-22-09 12:17 AM   #178 
              - Thank you. First thank you for understanding how  sabrina 1   Dec-22-09 02:00 AM   #179 
  - Yea, we know Feingold, Obama was hands off, but don't vote for this crap.  Jefferson23   Dec-20-09 10:01 PM   #5 
  - Constitutionality of the mandates must be tested in a court challenge.  sharesunited   Dec-20-09 10:10 PM   #10 
  - On what basis  FedUp_Queer   Dec-20-09 10:59 PM   #19 
  - The challenges will likely sound in the 1st, 5th and 14th Amendments.  sharesunited   Dec-20-09 11:28 PM   #23 
  - I've heard talk of it being challenged based on the 4th too.  Jamastiene   Dec-21-09 01:12 AM   #41 
  - Good luck getting around the SCOTUS's rulings in the 2005 Kelo case.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:15 AM   #67 
  - Prohibiting government from forcing purchase of private insurance gets us closer to single payer.  sharesunited   Dec-21-09 11:26 AM   #134 
  - If I'm not mistaken. The Tenth Amendment also applies.  golddigger   Dec-21-09 06:05 AM   #82 
     - How could I forget?  sharesunited   Dec-21-09 11:32 AM   #135 
  - I've read the constitution and I can't seem to find that clause  Abq_Sarah   Dec-21-09 12:02 AM   #32 
  - I agree, but try reading the Kelo case for how the current SCOTUS may view it.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:17 AM   #68 
     - Kelo was a bad decision  Abq_Sarah   Dec-21-09 01:14 PM   #148 
  - Forget about the Constitutionality.... it's fascist  fascisthunter   Dec-21-09 01:04 PM   #146 
  - Then wouldn't Social Security and Medicare...........  SergeStorms   Dec-21-09 05:22 AM   #71 
     - Government's mandating that you buy something from government is very different from  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:29 AM   #74 
     - OK.........  SergeStorms   Dec-22-09 03:49 AM   #180 
     - A mandate that is tied to the Solution of Americans helping Americans  fascisthunter   Dec-21-09 01:12 PM   #147 
        - Thanks for the clarification........  SergeStorms   Dec-22-09 03:51 AM   #181 
           - I hear ya man  fascisthunter   Dec-22-09 09:10 AM   #184 
  - Health Care  ectingley   Dec-20-09 10:13 PM   #11 
  - The art of the possible is not what we voted for!  mikesm   Dec-20-09 10:39 PM   #15 
  - Then we should be out in the streets  Left Coast2020   Dec-20-09 10:50 PM   #16 
  - We should be. And we should have planned ahead to be there NOW because  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:21 AM   #70 
  - Welcome to DU, mikesm. A big part of the problem is that it's so much easier for these  bertman   Dec-20-09 11:03 PM   #21 
  - Apparently  Third Doctor   Dec-20-09 11:35 PM   #24 
  - It's been the "land of the heartless and home of the paid" for quite some time now.  bertman   Dec-21-09 12:02 AM   #33 
  - Are all the DLC that venal and meretricious? I'm not denying it, but if it is,  Joe Chi Minh   Dec-21-09 02:45 PM   #157 
  - Link to main single payer activist site (if anyone cares).  clear eye   Dec-21-09 04:42 PM   #166 
  - Sadly, we can't write checks big enough to influence them (n/t)  dflprincess   Dec-21-09 12:33 AM   #37 
  - Something is not true simply because you post it. The guy who is both the  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 04:53 AM   #62 
  - WHAT???????????????????  pattmarty   Dec-21-09 07:28 AM   #104 
  - Makes people 50-64 second class citizens  eridani   Dec-20-09 10:16 PM   #12 
  - Nonsense  Abq_Sarah   Dec-20-09 10:20 PM   #13 
  - Reid Pelosi AND OBAMA  Confusious   Dec-20-09 11:02 PM   #20 
  - You're right except the future holds more ins regulation coming.You'll see.  bjobotts   Dec-20-09 11:49 PM   #30 
     - Please see Reply 63.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:54 AM   #78 
  - Of course. Feingold understands nothing about legislation. And Obama is never responsible  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:47 AM   #77 
  - don't bash Pelosi  katkat   Dec-21-09 06:34 AM   #90 
  - What a moron...n/t  orwell   Dec-20-09 10:36 PM   #14 
  - After further review  tiredtoo   Dec-20-09 10:54 PM   #17 
     - Sorry, but that is very poor reasoning. That's like saying, "If everyone is  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 05:43 AM   #76 
     - tiredtoo  katkat   Dec-21-09 06:37 AM   #92 
  - perhaps the biggest misunderstanding in the past few years  wial   Dec-20-09 11:46 PM   #29 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Dec-21-09 12:05 AM   #34 
  - Sure Russ, if only Obama had tried just a little harder, that woulda changed Holy Joe's mind  Azathoth   Dec-21-09 12:09 AM   #35 
  - Watch this week's Bill Moyers Journal. It's still online.  clear eye   Dec-21-09 01:10 AM   #40 
  - Yes. And the week Moyers interviewed Potter, too. Links to transcripts....  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 06:17 AM   #86 
  - do you also believe the myths about unicorns and rainbows?  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 04:42 AM   #59 
  - Yup, it's Joe Lieberman's fault  Azathoth   Dec-21-09 05:06 AM   #65 
     - I wonder what would have happened in 1963-64 if LBJ had had such a laissez faire attitude?  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 05:19 AM   #69 
     - Your history is a little faulty (no surprise there)  Azathoth   Dec-21-09 05:59 AM   #80 
        - awww, everybody & everytning is soooo against what Obama "wanted"  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 06:13 AM   #83 
        - Your history is faulty too.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 06:31 AM   #89 
           - Actually, my history is impeccable (or at least reasonably accurate)  Azathoth   Dec-21-09 07:07 AM   #97 
     - No. The people were already in favor of a strong public option. Please see  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 06:40 AM   #94 
        - It's a virtue to admit when you're wrong - as in the history points brought up.  jonestonesusa   Dec-21-09 11:45 AM   #136 
  - We'll never know, will we? Obama gave up all his cards before the game even started.  freddie mertz   Dec-21-09 07:27 AM   #103 
  - Obama got exactly the bill he wanted & Lieberman helped him get it!  LaPera   Dec-21-09 12:46 AM   #38 
  - Ah, so Obama wasn't weak. He was actually a Machiavellian mastermind controlling everyone  Azathoth   Dec-21-09 02:20 AM   #50 
  - yeah, I can tell how "harrowing" it is for poor widdle you  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 04:47 AM   #61 
  - +++1 you nailed it  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 05:23 AM   #72 
  - Exactly!  soryang   Dec-21-09 07:23 PM   #174 
  - Obama's lack of leadership is still shocking to me.  EmeraldCityGrl   Dec-21-09 01:17 AM   #42 
  - EmeraldCityGrl  katkat   Dec-21-09 06:29 AM   #88 
  - Another backing for "lesser of evils" . . . and it's foolish . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 01:39 AM   #43 
  - This was, of course, obvious . . . and very destructive by Obama and forces in White House ....  defendandprotect   Dec-21-09 01:41 AM   #44 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-21-09 02:25 AM   #51 
  - k & r  yurbud   Dec-21-09 02:33 AM   #52 
  - President Obama was for public option now he isn't.  midnight   Dec-21-09 02:43 AM   #54 
  - Welcome to the underside of the bus, Senator Feingold  tavalon   Dec-21-09 05:25 AM   #73 
  - Agree on both - support for the bill & responsibility for loss of PO. If Feingold and Sanders  pampango   Dec-21-09 05:59 AM   #79 
  - Obama controls the Democratic Party and the Democratic Party right now controls  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 06:14 AM   #84 
     - Not sure how much Obama can lean on Sanders, since he not a Democrat. You don't give Feingold  pampango   Dec-21-09 06:38 AM   #93 
        - Does Sanders chair anything? Does Sanders sit on any important committees?  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 06:49 AM   #95 
           - I guess we're the battling givers-of-no-credit.  pampango   Dec-21-09 07:17 AM   #99 
  - Late "converts" to this bill include Sanders, Feingold and Weiner. Wonder who the WH  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 06:03 AM   #81 
  - really--instead of using his bully pulpit on repukes and blue dogs--  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 06:16 AM   #85 
  - No.....Its Emanuel  INdemo   Dec-21-09 06:36 AM   #91 
  - Emmanuel, Mr. DLC and New Democrat? This bill is tailor made for him.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 06:53 AM   #96 
  - 2 Points  Blue Hen Buckeye   Dec-21-09 07:25 AM   #102 
  - FEINGOLD: STOP POINTING FINGERS  FarLeftFist   Dec-21-09 07:39 AM   #105 
  - can you provide links to where Obama was "very vocal" about a public option?  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 07:58 AM   #107 
  - Just a quick google search before I go to work, don't have time to list them all  FarLeftFist   Dec-21-09 08:14 AM   #108 
     - Weak, qualified, vague, ready to give it up.  freddie mertz   Dec-21-09 08:36 AM   #110 
     - the first one is just someone "saying" he's "working hard on it"--that is not "evidence"  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 09:13 AM   #115 
  - While I agree with Feingold, I am disheartened he will still vote for this bill  AllyCat   Dec-21-09 09:09 AM   #113 
  - So is Feingold a hypocrite, an attention whore or....  FarLeftFist   Dec-21-09 10:05 AM   #120 
     - You guys are so CRAZY!  freddie mertz   Dec-21-09 03:10 PM   #161 
     - I'd say they all are at this point. All 100 of 'em  AllyCat   Dec-21-09 10:14 PM   #176 
  - I suggest you take a reality break.  DisgustedInMN   Dec-21-09 09:31 AM   #116 
     - OK, so your all right then...  FarLeftFist   Dec-21-09 10:03 AM   #119 
        - lol! you actually use "conscience" as a word applying to people in Congressf  ima_sinnic   Dec-21-09 10:26 AM   #122 
        - I don't see your point. Every progressive senator has signed on to this bill.  FarLeftFist   Dec-21-09 10:58 AM   #127 
           - +1  BootinUp   Dec-21-09 04:05 PM   #165 
        - I'll pass on the browbeating, thank you very much.  DisgustedInMN   Dec-21-09 10:33 AM   #123 
           - Sorry you felt insulted.  FarLeftFist   Dec-21-09 11:06 AM   #130 
              - Correction  DisgustedInMN   Dec-21-09 11:14 AM   #133 
  - The estimate of savings loss is very conservative. It doesn't estimate how much cost increases by  JohnWxy   Dec-21-09 08:56 AM   #112 
  - Senator, if you vote for the bill, YOU own it!  SandWalker1984   Dec-21-09 10:58 AM   #126 
  - I could swear various Senators opposed the public option  mzmolly   Dec-21-09 11:00 AM   #128 
  - I guess Russ wants the Executive branch to make the law?  thelordofhell   Dec-21-09 11:47 AM   #137 
  - I am so offended at this...  newtothegame   Dec-21-09 12:43 PM   #145 
  - This just doesn't pass the smell test.... Obama doesn't CONTROL the Hill...  RollWithIt   Dec-21-09 01:40 PM   #150 
  - Shhhhhh!!!!  Bleacher Creature   Dec-21-09 01:53 PM   #151 
  - BushCo sure did. nt  Lorien   Dec-21-09 02:04 PM   #153 
  - Well Obama isn't Bush NM  high density   Dec-21-09 03:44 PM   #164 
  - Not according to many of the experts on this board!  Fire1   Dec-21-09 07:12 PM   #173 
  - So, I'm thinking  Phlem   Dec-21-09 02:32 PM   #156 
  - That's right, Russ. You've got to take tthe good with the bad.  Fire1   Dec-21-09 07:06 PM   #171 
  - I think it's a tactic. I think Obama wants to get the bill signed in any form at all,  truthisfreedom   Dec-21-09 11:34 PM   #177 
 

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