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Sun Dec-20-09 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #112 |
| 135. That's what they DID. That's how they got this RULING. |
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But I guess, like ClarkUSA, you believe Obama only has to obey court rulings made by the SUPREME court. Everything else is just window-dressing.
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| -Feds defy order to provide same-sex benefits |
Newsjock |
Dec-18-09 09:06 PM |
#0 |
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Sad... |
Mike Nelson |
Dec-18-09 09:23 PM |
#1 |
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Looks like more "Change WE can Believe In" |
saigon68 |
Dec-19-09 07:21 AM |
#22 |
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More of business as usual. |
Mugweed |
Dec-19-09 08:15 AM |
#34 |
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Yeah. "here doggie, bend over and I'm gonna give you a bone"........ |
pattmarty |
Dec-19-09 07:36 AM |
#24 |
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Old Mother Hubbard |
saigon68 |
Dec-20-09 07:17 PM |
#139 |
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I'd write in someone before I'd stay home on Election Day. I would use my vote to send a clear |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 11:56 AM |
#65 |
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I don't know about the rest of the GLBT community |
Q3JR4 |
Dec-19-09 02:12 PM |
#90 |
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Wouldn't you rather write in the name of an unequivocal supporter of gay rights? |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 03:41 AM |
#162 |
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Fuck this - I'm so tired of this shit. Hiding behind some legal fig leaf. |
Politicub |
Dec-18-09 09:24 PM |
#2 |
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Fig leaf??? DOMA is not a legal |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 10:40 AM |
#49 |
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This was an order from a FEDERAL JUDGE |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 11:03 AM |
#54 |
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Urrrgh! Did you even READ the article?? |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 02:38 PM |
#99 |
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You're accepting the DOJ argument prima facie |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 03:01 PM |
#103 |
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Then the LGBT Community should take this to court and fight it out |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 08:31 PM |
#118 |
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Always back to "fighting it out". |
donco6 |
Dec-20-09 09:20 AM |
#134 |
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The DOJ is only independent of the WH when they need it to be |
ruggerson |
Dec-20-09 11:17 AM |
#138 |
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D. Boies and Bush Att. Olsen. I wish you luck |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-20-09 08:57 PM |
#142 |
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I'm not trying to "litigate with you" |
ruggerson |
Dec-20-09 10:17 PM |
#143 |
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Name removed |
Dec-20-09 11:51 PM |
#144 |
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No, D of J is not "independent." That is a silly myth that DU seems to love. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 12:39 AM |
#145 |
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That's just the OPM's interpretation of the ruling. |
donco6 |
Dec-19-09 11:28 AM |
#60 |
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Openly gay John Berry is HEAD of the OPM and yet it's Obama's fault??? eom |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 08:53 PM |
#121 |
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Believe it or not, shills come in all flavors, including gay. |
donco6 |
Dec-19-09 10:55 PM |
#128 |
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Hey! The LGBT Community sure was happy when Pres. Obama appointed him |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-20-09 12:15 AM |
#130 |
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We were mostly happy when Obama was elected, too. |
donco6 |
Dec-20-09 09:18 AM |
#133 |
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That was *never* the impression I got here or any place else |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-20-09 08:23 PM |
#141 |
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Then your reading comprehension is off, too. Which may explain why you misstate facts. I thought |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 01:53 AM |
#151 |
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No, nothing is the fault of the POTUS. That's why we elect them--to be accountable for zero. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 01:27 AM |
#148 |
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The justice department could allocate its resources elsewhere |
Politicub |
Dec-19-09 11:41 AM |
#62 |
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Oh, if I may add - FUCK PRESIDENT CLINTON for signing DOMA in to law |
Politicub |
Dec-19-09 11:47 AM |
#63 |
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and fuck Paul Wellstone for voting for it |
MNBrewer |
Dec-19-09 12:55 PM |
#79 |
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Yep - and every other congress person who cast their vote for inequality |
Politicub |
Dec-19-09 01:56 PM |
#87 |
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I can't believe it. Wellstone was a Liberal. Liberals would never |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 08:17 PM |
#114 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-19-09 08:38 PM |
#120 |
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You do realize that Bill Clinton... |
blue_onyx |
Dec-19-09 02:42 PM |
#100 |
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No chit, really? Well ah-bee :slapping knee; eom |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 07:56 PM |
#111 |
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Well... |
blue_onyx |
Dec-19-09 08:13 PM |
#113 |
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I'll do that |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 08:29 PM |
#117 |
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No, it's completely different |
blue_onyx |
Dec-19-09 10:05 PM |
#124 |
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You go by what article heading say and accept it as gospel?? |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 10:16 PM |
#125 |
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Um, independent counsel gets appointed precisely because the D of J is NOT independent. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 01:11 AM |
#146 |
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Legal "fig leaf'? |
louis-t |
Dec-19-09 11:09 AM |
#56 |
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It's not up to the Obama admin to interpret the law |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 11:19 AM |
#57 |
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Please read #48 and #88. |
louis-t |
Dec-19-09 06:02 PM |
#109 |
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I have. They're both incorrect. Read #102 |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 06:33 PM |
#110 |
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The Obama administration is violating a court order. Did you miss that part? |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:07 PM |
#66 |
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Then they should take it to court, yes? eom |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 08:12 PM |
#112 |
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That's what they DID. That's how they got this RULING. |
donco6 |
Dec-20-09 09:22 AM |
#135 |
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It was appealed, but would that have been your attitude if Bush did the same thing? |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 01:43 AM |
#149 |
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Great example he is for NOT honoring our laws! |
earcandle |
Dec-18-09 09:25 PM |
#3 |
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The agency IS following the federal law. There is a problem with the two laws.... |
Honeycombe8 |
Dec-19-09 10:38 AM |
#48 |
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It's a ruling from the Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 11:06 AM |
#55 |
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But the judge was not acting in her capacity as a judge. |
Vattel |
Dec-19-09 01:57 PM |
#88 |
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B-B-B=But Obama should just strike it down, dagnabbit! He's |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 10:19 PM |
#126 |
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That is only the administration's argument. And an administrative law judge is also a judge, just |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 01:48 AM |
#150 |
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Obama dictates to DOJ when it's convenient. |
donco6 |
Dec-19-09 11:25 AM |
#59 |
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Can I borrow that crystal ball? I'd like to know what this week's |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-19-09 10:20 PM |
#127 |
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No it isn't - and now who's projecting? |
donco6 |
Dec-20-09 09:24 AM |
#136 |
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Yeah, it is. He can say all he wants |
BlueCaliDem |
Dec-20-09 08:09 PM |
#140 |
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No, your claim that the D of J is independent of the POTUS is baseless conjecture. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 01:57 AM |
#152 |
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Thanks for the explanation. |
earcandle |
Dec-20-09 02:15 AM |
#131 |
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How can they do that? |
quakerboy |
Dec-18-09 09:31 PM |
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You and I might be thrown in jail for being in contempt of court. But, no one |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:14 PM |
#67 |
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Did I just f*cking read this? If this is true, just another example of big ol' smooth talkin' and |
Divine Discontent |
Dec-18-09 09:32 PM |
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A-fucking-men! |
Fearless |
Dec-18-09 09:44 PM |
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livid |
Divine Discontent |
Dec-18-09 09:47 PM |
#8 |
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Website that follows Obama's Campaign Promises |
aggiesal |
Dec-19-09 09:47 AM |
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Whoo Hooo the puppy is counted as a promise kept! |
scentopine |
Dec-19-09 09:59 AM |
#45 |
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Send them an email ... |
aggiesal |
Dec-19-09 09:15 PM |
#123 |
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oh, and off to the greatest page with thee!, although it's not a great story by any means... |
Divine Discontent |
Dec-18-09 09:33 PM |
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The administration is required to enforce the law. |
tritsofme |
Dec-18-09 09:49 PM |
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True |
atreides1 |
Dec-18-09 10:29 PM |
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Really? How come Obama is breaking the law by not prosecuting Bush law breakers? |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-18-09 10:36 PM |
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What law is the Obama adminstration in violation of? |
tritsofme |
Dec-18-09 10:41 PM |
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Thank you |
Mz Pip |
Dec-18-09 10:48 PM |
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And it's the responsibility of the JUDICIARY to interpret it |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 09:36 AM |
#40 |
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He is just following orders! |
freddie mertz |
Dec-19-09 10:45 AM |
#51 |
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Obama took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and he is required |
IndianaGreen |
Dec-18-09 10:56 PM |
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Why Is Torture Illegal? |
MannyGoldstein |
Dec-19-09 07:36 AM |
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The Convention Against Torture requires signatory nations to prosecute, too. |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:25 PM |
#70 |
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A JUDGE Is Telling Him That DOMA Is ILLEGAL. |
Toasterlad |
Dec-19-09 07:51 AM |
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That is what surprises me. Assuming he is aware of this, and I am not making excuses for him |
still_one |
Dec-19-09 08:18 AM |
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He's aware of it |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 09:40 AM |
#41 |
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Is that true? |
tritsofme |
Dec-19-09 01:48 PM |
#84 |
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There is another almost identical case priior to this |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 02:17 PM |
#91 |
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From your article: |
tritsofme |
Dec-19-09 02:38 PM |
#98 |
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That refers to other courts hearing other DOMA cases |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 02:50 PM |
#101 |
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Except his justice department could have argued on the grounds of discrimination |
still_one |
Dec-19-09 08:15 AM |
#33 |
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Don't know that asking the Roberts Court to decide that is the wisest course. |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:44 PM |
#78 |
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The Obamadmin is violating a court order. Tthat is contempt of court. The court decides what the |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:22 PM |
#69 |
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wrong |
placton |
Dec-19-09 07:10 AM |
#21 |
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The Administration Is Required to OBEY the Law |
Toasterlad |
Dec-19-09 07:46 AM |
#27 |
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The Courts interpret the law, not the executive branch. |
Laelth |
Dec-19-09 09:24 AM |
#38 |
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They are unilaterally defying a FEDERAL COURT ORDER |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 09:34 AM |
#39 |
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That reminds of what the Bush Administration used to do all the time. |
totodeinhere |
Dec-19-09 12:40 PM |
#77 |
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LOL! Separation of powers or is Obama is running a police state? -nt |
scentopine |
Dec-19-09 10:04 AM |
#46 |
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And when a judge says what the law is, he's supposed to enforce it. |
donco6 |
Dec-19-09 11:21 AM |
#58 |
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Alternative conclusion: Obama wants to win elections. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 02:05 AM |
#153 |
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The administration is required to obey court orders. Courts are the final arbiters of law. |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:19 PM |
#68 |
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Like prosecuting torture, right? |
Bluebear |
Dec-19-09 01:16 PM |
#82 |
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with the exception of torture laws, of course /nt |
Dragonfli |
Dec-19-09 09:00 PM |
#122 |
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Not true. And, even if it were true, we are mighty selective about which laws we |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 03:23 AM |
#161 |
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Name removed |
Dec-18-09 10:09 PM |
#10 |
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Clinton was worse... |
BolivarianHero |
Dec-19-09 02:20 PM |
#94 |
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If you go back to the 19th century there were some Dem presidents who were pretty bad. |
totodeinhere |
Dec-19-09 08:25 PM |
#115 |
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O wants clean hands so he can talk out of both sides of his mouth. Doesn't care who gets hurt. |
Metta |
Dec-18-09 10:13 PM |
#11 |
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Fuck Obama's doing this too? Is he just a regressive right leaning moderate certainly no progressive |
LaPera |
Dec-18-09 11:59 PM |
#17 |
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They have the right to follow the orders of the judge. Then his ruling would be law. |
McCamy Taylor |
Dec-19-09 12:27 AM |
#18 |
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Big mistake :( |
Ter |
Dec-19-09 02:30 AM |
#19 |
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Disobeying a court order - can you spell impeachment? n/t |
24601 |
Dec-19-09 06:58 AM |
#20 |
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Who would move to impeach him? |
blackbear79 |
Dec-19-09 07:51 AM |
#29 |
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I believe the house would only need a simple majority to bring the articles of impeachment |
still_one |
Dec-19-09 08:12 AM |
#32 |
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Him who? - the house can impeach anyone in the executive or |
24601 |
Dec-19-09 10:40 AM |
#50 |
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see post 85 |
Vattel |
Dec-19-09 01:53 PM |
#86 |
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My Lord. They didn't impeach W and now they are going to impeach O? |
totodeinhere |
Dec-19-09 08:28 PM |
#116 |
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This was not a 'court order' |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-21-09 12:54 PM |
#165 |
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Isn't this the same office (OPM) that is supposed to monitor the insurance............ |
pattmarty |
Dec-19-09 07:34 AM |
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Name removed |
Dec-19-09 07:41 AM |
#26 |
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During Bushco what did DU have to say about obeying the rule of law? |
elocs |
Dec-19-09 07:53 AM |
#30 |
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IOKIODI. |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:34 PM |
#73 |
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Ahhhh. n/t |
elocs |
Dec-19-09 01:36 PM |
#83 |
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Why would they ignore a Federal Judge order? Is Eric Holder involved? I really want to |
still_one |
Dec-19-09 08:08 AM |
#31 |
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Because it can't get to the Supreme Court otherwise /nt |
jberryhill |
Dec-19-09 02:19 PM |
#93 |
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It's not as though the Roberts Court is going to be gay friendly and Obamadmin knows that |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 01:17 AM |
#147 |
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Barack McWarren in action again |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-19-09 08:40 AM |
#36 |
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You have got to be kidding me. Was Nader right all along? n/t |
Laelth |
Dec-19-09 09:21 AM |
#37 |
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Nader right about what? About the Demlicans and Republicrats being alike? |
No Elephants |
Dec-19-09 12:40 PM |
#76 |
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Smile. n/t |
Laelth |
Dec-19-09 12:56 PM |
#80 |
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Yet another bad call. |
closeupready |
Dec-19-09 09:44 AM |
#42 |
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This is just another move in his brilliant chess strategy |
Frank Cannon |
Dec-19-09 09:49 AM |
#44 |
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this man disgusts me more everyday |
fascisthunter |
Dec-19-09 10:16 AM |
#47 |
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The more it changes, the more it stays the same. (sigh). nt |
valerief |
Dec-19-09 10:49 AM |
#52 |
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We just have to face the facts. Obama is not the man we thought (or hoped) he was. |
freddie mertz |
Dec-19-09 10:50 AM |
#53 |
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Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-19-09 11:36 AM |
#61 |
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Wow...this is frickin contempt of court |
alp227 |
Dec-19-09 11:48 AM |
#64 |
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cAN'T HE JUST DRAFT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER? |
DonkeyHoTay |
Dec-19-09 12:26 PM |
#71 |
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He could. he doesn't want to. |
Bluebear |
Dec-19-09 01:15 PM |
#81 |
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An EO could suspend DADT dishcharges. Doubt EO can overrule DOMA. However, he could obey this order |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 02:37 AM |
#155 |
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No it is not |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-21-09 12:56 PM |
#166 |
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more of the same. lovely |
madmx19790 |
Dec-19-09 12:28 PM |
#72 |
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This is one more reason why I am deeply disappointed in Obama. |
totodeinhere |
Dec-19-09 12:36 PM |
#74 |
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Very disappointing. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-19-09 12:39 PM |
#75 |
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The DOJ attorney (Kaplan) says the court order is not binding |
Vattel |
Dec-19-09 01:51 PM |
#85 |
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Federal judiciary staffers are prohibited from suing the Fed gov't |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 02:26 PM |
#97 |
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Well, if the DofJ says the DofJ is correct, that settles it, doesn't it? |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 02:30 AM |
#154 |
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How about showing some empathy for those of us this hurts to the core |
Politicub |
Dec-19-09 02:03 PM |
#89 |
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Too many spineless RATS... |
BolivarianHero |
Dec-19-09 02:21 PM |
#95 |
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Most libertarians I know sound suspiciously like Republicans. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 02:50 AM |
#158 |
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not everyone, thank God |
dana_b |
Dec-19-09 02:23 PM |
#96 |
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Many DUers do show empathy. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 02:43 AM |
#156 |
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disgusting |
dana_b |
Dec-19-09 02:19 PM |
#92 |
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Regardless... |
Goldstein1984 |
Dec-19-09 03:01 PM |
#102 |
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EXACTLY |
ruggerson |
Dec-19-09 03:02 PM |
#104 |
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I think so too |
Goldstein1984 |
Dec-19-09 03:14 PM |
#105 |
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Merry Fucking Christmas my GLBT brothers & sisters. |
William769 |
Dec-19-09 03:20 PM |
#106 |
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Obama is a homophobe |
Betty Karlson |
Dec-19-09 04:50 PM |
#107 |
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Please see Reply 153. |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 04:00 AM |
#163 |
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He's done his best to screw over the poor, women & gays. Who's next? |
Vidar |
Dec-19-09 05:11 PM |
#108 |
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The Obama Administration is playing a very cynicaL game. |
totodeinhere |
Dec-19-09 08:33 PM |
#119 |
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Got a better legal strategy? |
boppers |
Dec-19-09 11:43 PM |
#129 |
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We should continue to use the courts to try to advance our cause. |
totodeinhere |
Dec-20-09 07:22 AM |
#132 |
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The LGBT community has done all those things. However, the LGBT community is not in control of |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 03:02 AM |
#159 |
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Follow the court order. |
donco6 |
Dec-20-09 09:27 AM |
#137 |
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Oh, please. An executive order could have suspended DADT discharges on Inauguration Day and the |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 02:45 AM |
#157 |
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The administration tries to have it both ways. "Judge us by what we say, not by what we do." |
No Elephants |
Dec-21-09 03:16 AM |
#160 |
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That is just bloody absurd.... |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-21-09 12:32 PM |
#164 |
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