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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 10:45 AM
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51. He is just following orders!
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  -Feds defy order to provide same-sex benefits Newsjock  Dec-18-09 09:06 PM   #0 
  - Sad...  Mike Nelson   Dec-18-09 09:23 PM   #1 
  - Looks like more "Change WE can Believe In"  saigon68   Dec-19-09 07:21 AM   #22 
  - More of business as usual.  Mugweed   Dec-19-09 08:15 AM   #34 
  - Yeah. "here doggie, bend over and I'm gonna give you a bone"........  pattmarty   Dec-19-09 07:36 AM   #24 
  - Old Mother Hubbard  saigon68   Dec-20-09 07:17 PM   #139 
  - I'd write in someone before I'd stay home on Election Day. I would use my vote to send a clear  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 11:56 AM   #65 
  - I don't know about the rest of the GLBT community  Q3JR4   Dec-19-09 02:12 PM   #90 
     - Wouldn't you rather write in the name of an unequivocal supporter of gay rights?  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 03:41 AM   #162 
  - Fuck this - I'm so tired of this shit. Hiding behind some legal fig leaf.  Politicub   Dec-18-09 09:24 PM   #2 
  - Fig leaf??? DOMA is not a legal  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 10:40 AM   #49 
  - This was an order from a FEDERAL JUDGE  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 11:03 AM   #54 
  - Urrrgh! Did you even READ the article??  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 02:38 PM   #99 
     - You're accepting the DOJ argument prima facie  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 03:01 PM   #103 
        - Then the LGBT Community should take this to court and fight it out  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 08:31 PM   #118 
           - Always back to "fighting it out".  donco6   Dec-20-09 09:20 AM   #134 
           - The DOJ is only independent of the WH when they need it to be  ruggerson   Dec-20-09 11:17 AM   #138 
           - D. Boies and Bush Att. Olsen. I wish you luck  BlueCaliDem   Dec-20-09 08:57 PM   #142 
              - I'm not trying to "litigate with you"  ruggerson   Dec-20-09 10:17 PM   #143 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-20-09 11:51 PM   #144 
           - No, D of J is not "independent." That is a silly myth that DU seems to love.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 12:39 AM   #145 
  - That's just the OPM's interpretation of the ruling.  donco6   Dec-19-09 11:28 AM   #60 
  - Openly gay John Berry is HEAD of the OPM and yet it's Obama's fault??? eom  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 08:53 PM   #121 
     - Believe it or not, shills come in all flavors, including gay.  donco6   Dec-19-09 10:55 PM   #128 
     - Hey! The LGBT Community sure was happy when Pres. Obama appointed him  BlueCaliDem   Dec-20-09 12:15 AM   #130 
        - We were mostly happy when Obama was elected, too.  donco6   Dec-20-09 09:18 AM   #133 
           - That was *never* the impression I got here or any place else  BlueCaliDem   Dec-20-09 08:23 PM   #141 
              - Then your reading comprehension is off, too. Which may explain why you misstate facts. I thought  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 01:53 AM   #151 
     - No, nothing is the fault of the POTUS. That's why we elect them--to be accountable for zero.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 01:27 AM   #148 
  - The justice department could allocate its resources elsewhere  Politicub   Dec-19-09 11:41 AM   #62 
  - Oh, if I may add - FUCK PRESIDENT CLINTON for signing DOMA in to law  Politicub   Dec-19-09 11:47 AM   #63 
  - and fuck Paul Wellstone for voting for it  MNBrewer   Dec-19-09 12:55 PM   #79 
     - Yep - and every other congress person who cast their vote for inequality  Politicub   Dec-19-09 01:56 PM   #87 
     - I can't believe it. Wellstone was a Liberal. Liberals would never  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 08:17 PM   #114 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-19-09 08:38 PM   #120 
  - You do realize that Bill Clinton...  blue_onyx   Dec-19-09 02:42 PM   #100 
     - No chit, really? Well ah-bee :slapping knee; eom  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 07:56 PM   #111 
        - Well...  blue_onyx   Dec-19-09 08:13 PM   #113 
           - I'll do that  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 08:29 PM   #117 
              - No, it's completely different  blue_onyx   Dec-19-09 10:05 PM   #124 
                 - You go by what article heading say and accept it as gospel??  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 10:16 PM   #125 
                    - Um, independent counsel gets appointed precisely because the D of J is NOT independent.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 01:11 AM   #146 
  - Legal "fig leaf'?  louis-t   Dec-19-09 11:09 AM   #56 
     - It's not up to the Obama admin to interpret the law  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 11:19 AM   #57 
     - Please read #48 and #88.  louis-t   Dec-19-09 06:02 PM   #109 
        - I have. They're both incorrect. Read #102  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 06:33 PM   #110 
     - The Obama administration is violating a court order. Did you miss that part?  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:07 PM   #66 
        - Then they should take it to court, yes? eom  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 08:12 PM   #112 
           - That's what they DID. That's how they got this RULING.  donco6   Dec-20-09 09:22 AM   #135 
           - It was appealed, but would that have been your attitude if Bush did the same thing?  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 01:43 AM   #149 
  - Great example he is for NOT honoring our laws!  earcandle   Dec-18-09 09:25 PM   #3 
  - The agency IS following the federal law. There is a problem with the two laws....  Honeycombe8   Dec-19-09 10:38 AM   #48 
     - It's a ruling from the Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 11:06 AM   #55 
     - But the judge was not acting in her capacity as a judge.  Vattel   Dec-19-09 01:57 PM   #88 
        - B-B-B=But Obama should just strike it down, dagnabbit! He's  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 10:19 PM   #126 
        - That is only the administration's argument. And an administrative law judge is also a judge, just  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 01:48 AM   #150 
     - Obama dictates to DOJ when it's convenient.  donco6   Dec-19-09 11:25 AM   #59 
     - Can I borrow that crystal ball? I'd like to know what this week's  BlueCaliDem   Dec-19-09 10:20 PM   #127 
        - No it isn't - and now who's projecting?  donco6   Dec-20-09 09:24 AM   #136 
        - Yeah, it is. He can say all he wants  BlueCaliDem   Dec-20-09 08:09 PM   #140 
        - No, your claim that the D of J is independent of the POTUS is baseless conjecture.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 01:57 AM   #152 
     - Thanks for the explanation.  earcandle   Dec-20-09 02:15 AM   #131 
  - How can they do that?  quakerboy   Dec-18-09 09:31 PM   #4 
  - You and I might be thrown in jail for being in contempt of court. But, no one  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:14 PM   #67 
  - Did I just f*cking read this? If this is true, just another example of big ol' smooth talkin' and  Divine Discontent   Dec-18-09 09:32 PM   #5 
  - A-fucking-men!  Fearless   Dec-18-09 09:44 PM   #7 
     - livid  Divine Discontent   Dec-18-09 09:47 PM   #8 
        - Website that follows Obama's Campaign Promises  aggiesal   Dec-19-09 09:47 AM   #43 
           - Whoo Hooo the puppy is counted as a promise kept!  scentopine   Dec-19-09 09:59 AM   #45 
              - Send them an email ...  aggiesal   Dec-19-09 09:15 PM   #123 
  - oh, and off to the greatest page with thee!, although it's not a great story by any means...  Divine Discontent   Dec-18-09 09:33 PM   #6 
  - The administration is required to enforce the law.  tritsofme   Dec-18-09 09:49 PM   #9 
  - True  atreides1   Dec-18-09 10:29 PM   #12 
  - Really? How come Obama is breaking the law by not prosecuting Bush law breakers?  IndianaGreen   Dec-18-09 10:36 PM   #13 
  - What law is the Obama adminstration in violation of?  tritsofme   Dec-18-09 10:41 PM   #14 
     - Thank you  Mz Pip   Dec-18-09 10:48 PM   #15 
     - And it's the responsibility of the JUDICIARY to interpret it  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 09:36 AM   #40 
     - He is just following orders!  freddie mertz   Dec-19-09 10:45 AM   #51 
     - Obama took an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and he is required  IndianaGreen   Dec-18-09 10:56 PM   #16 
     - Why Is Torture Illegal?  MannyGoldstein   Dec-19-09 07:36 AM   #25 
     - The Convention Against Torture requires signatory nations to prosecute, too.  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:25 PM   #70 
     - A JUDGE Is Telling Him That DOMA Is ILLEGAL.  Toasterlad   Dec-19-09 07:51 AM   #28 
     - That is what surprises me. Assuming he is aware of this, and I am not making excuses for him  still_one   Dec-19-09 08:18 AM   #35 
     - He's aware of it  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 09:40 AM   #41 
     - Is that true?  tritsofme   Dec-19-09 01:48 PM   #84 
        - There is another almost identical case priior to this  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 02:17 PM   #91 
           - From your article:  tritsofme   Dec-19-09 02:38 PM   #98 
              - That refers to other courts hearing other DOMA cases  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 02:50 PM   #101 
     - Except his justice department could have argued on the grounds of discrimination  still_one   Dec-19-09 08:15 AM   #33 
     - Don't know that asking the Roberts Court to decide that is the wisest course.  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:44 PM   #78 
     - The Obamadmin is violating a court order. Tthat is contempt of court. The court decides what the  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:22 PM   #69 
  - wrong  placton   Dec-19-09 07:10 AM   #21 
  - The Administration Is Required to OBEY the Law  Toasterlad   Dec-19-09 07:46 AM   #27 
  - The Courts interpret the law, not the executive branch.  Laelth   Dec-19-09 09:24 AM   #38 
  - They are unilaterally defying a FEDERAL COURT ORDER  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 09:34 AM   #39 
  - That reminds of what the Bush Administration used to do all the time.  totodeinhere   Dec-19-09 12:40 PM   #77 
  - LOL! Separation of powers or is Obama is running a police state? -nt  scentopine   Dec-19-09 10:04 AM   #46 
  - And when a judge says what the law is, he's supposed to enforce it.  donco6   Dec-19-09 11:21 AM   #58 
  - Alternative conclusion: Obama wants to win elections.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 02:05 AM   #153 
  - The administration is required to obey court orders. Courts are the final arbiters of law.  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:19 PM   #68 
  - Like prosecuting torture, right?  Bluebear   Dec-19-09 01:16 PM   #82 
  - with the exception of torture laws, of course /nt  Dragonfli   Dec-19-09 09:00 PM   #122 
  - Not true. And, even if it were true, we are mighty selective about which laws we  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 03:23 AM   #161 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-18-09 10:09 PM   #10 
  - Clinton was worse...  BolivarianHero   Dec-19-09 02:20 PM   #94 
  - If you go back to the 19th century there were some Dem presidents who were pretty bad.  totodeinhere   Dec-19-09 08:25 PM   #115 
  - O wants clean hands so he can talk out of both sides of his mouth. Doesn't care who gets hurt.  Metta   Dec-18-09 10:13 PM   #11 
  - Fuck Obama's doing this too? Is he just a regressive right leaning moderate certainly no progressive  LaPera   Dec-18-09 11:59 PM   #17 
  - They have the right to follow the orders of the judge. Then his ruling would be law.  McCamy Taylor   Dec-19-09 12:27 AM   #18 
  - Big mistake :(  Ter   Dec-19-09 02:30 AM   #19 
  - Disobeying a court order - can you spell impeachment? n/t  24601   Dec-19-09 06:58 AM   #20 
  - Who would move to impeach him?  blackbear79   Dec-19-09 07:51 AM   #29 
  - I believe the house would only need a simple majority to bring the articles of impeachment  still_one   Dec-19-09 08:12 AM   #32 
  - Him who? - the house can impeach anyone in the executive or  24601   Dec-19-09 10:40 AM   #50 
  - see post 85  Vattel   Dec-19-09 01:53 PM   #86 
  - My Lord. They didn't impeach W and now they are going to impeach O?  totodeinhere   Dec-19-09 08:28 PM   #116 
  - This was not a 'court order'  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-21-09 12:54 PM   #165 
  - Isn't this the same office (OPM) that is supposed to monitor the insurance............  pattmarty   Dec-19-09 07:34 AM   #23 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-19-09 07:41 AM   #26 
  - During Bushco what did DU have to say about obeying the rule of law?  elocs   Dec-19-09 07:53 AM   #30 
  - IOKIODI.  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:34 PM   #73 
     - Ahhhh. n/t  elocs   Dec-19-09 01:36 PM   #83 
  - Why would they ignore a Federal Judge order? Is Eric Holder involved? I really want to  still_one   Dec-19-09 08:08 AM   #31 
  - Because it can't get to the Supreme Court otherwise /nt  jberryhill   Dec-19-09 02:19 PM   #93 
     - It's not as though the Roberts Court is going to be gay friendly and Obamadmin knows that  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 01:17 AM   #147 
  - Barack McWarren in action again  Bluenorthwest   Dec-19-09 08:40 AM   #36 
  - You have got to be kidding me. Was Nader right all along? n/t  Laelth   Dec-19-09 09:21 AM   #37 
  - Nader right about what? About the Demlicans and Republicrats being alike?  No Elephants   Dec-19-09 12:40 PM   #76 
     - Smile. n/t  Laelth   Dec-19-09 12:56 PM   #80 
  - Yet another bad call.  closeupready   Dec-19-09 09:44 AM   #42 
  - This is just another move in his brilliant chess strategy  Frank Cannon   Dec-19-09 09:49 AM   #44 
  - this man disgusts me more everyday  fascisthunter   Dec-19-09 10:16 AM   #47 
  - The more it changes, the more it stays the same. (sigh). nt  valerief   Dec-19-09 10:49 AM   #52 
  - We just have to face the facts. Obama is not the man we thought (or hoped) he was.  freddie mertz   Dec-19-09 10:50 AM   #53 
  - Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss.  Odin2005   Dec-19-09 11:36 AM   #61 
  - Wow...this is frickin contempt of court  alp227   Dec-19-09 11:48 AM   #64 
  - cAN'T HE JUST DRAFT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER?  DonkeyHoTay   Dec-19-09 12:26 PM   #71 
  - He could. he doesn't want to.  Bluebear   Dec-19-09 01:15 PM   #81 
     - An EO could suspend DADT dishcharges. Doubt EO can overrule DOMA. However, he could obey this order  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 02:37 AM   #155 
  - No it is not  Freddie Stubbs   Dec-21-09 12:56 PM   #166 
  - more of the same. lovely  madmx19790   Dec-19-09 12:28 PM   #72 
  - This is one more reason why I am deeply disappointed in Obama.  totodeinhere   Dec-19-09 12:36 PM   #74 
  - Very disappointing. nt  JerseygirlCT   Dec-19-09 12:39 PM   #75 
  - The DOJ attorney (Kaplan) says the court order is not binding  Vattel   Dec-19-09 01:51 PM   #85 
  - Federal judiciary staffers are prohibited from suing the Fed gov't  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 02:26 PM   #97 
  - Well, if the DofJ says the DofJ is correct, that settles it, doesn't it?  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 02:30 AM   #154 
  - How about showing some empathy for those of us this hurts to the core  Politicub   Dec-19-09 02:03 PM   #89 
  - Too many spineless RATS...  BolivarianHero   Dec-19-09 02:21 PM   #95 
  - Most libertarians I know sound suspiciously like Republicans.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 02:50 AM   #158 
  - not everyone, thank God  dana_b   Dec-19-09 02:23 PM   #96 
  - Many DUers do show empathy.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 02:43 AM   #156 
  - disgusting  dana_b   Dec-19-09 02:19 PM   #92 
  - Regardless...  Goldstein1984   Dec-19-09 03:01 PM   #102 
  - EXACTLY  ruggerson   Dec-19-09 03:02 PM   #104 
     - I think so too  Goldstein1984   Dec-19-09 03:14 PM   #105 
  - Merry Fucking Christmas my GLBT brothers & sisters.  William769   Dec-19-09 03:20 PM   #106 
  - Obama is a homophobe  Betty Karlson   Dec-19-09 04:50 PM   #107 
     - Please see Reply 153.  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 04:00 AM   #163 
  - He's done his best to screw over the poor, women & gays. Who's next?  Vidar   Dec-19-09 05:11 PM   #108 
  - The Obama Administration is playing a very cynicaL game.  totodeinhere   Dec-19-09 08:33 PM   #119 
  - Got a better legal strategy?  boppers   Dec-19-09 11:43 PM   #129 
     - We should continue to use the courts to try to advance our cause.  totodeinhere   Dec-20-09 07:22 AM   #132 
     - The LGBT community has done all those things. However, the LGBT community is not in control of  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 03:02 AM   #159 
     - Follow the court order.  donco6   Dec-20-09 09:27 AM   #137 
     - Oh, please. An executive order could have suspended DADT discharges on Inauguration Day and the  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 02:45 AM   #157 
  - The administration tries to have it both ways. "Judge us by what we say, not by what we do."  No Elephants   Dec-21-09 03:16 AM   #160 
  - That is just bloody absurd....  and-justice-for-all   Dec-21-09 12:32 PM   #164 

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