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de-regulatin' Ronnie, which ultimately led to many of the ills we are still treading water trying to combat today.
Taken on an incumbent President does not do wonders for your Party. On the other hand, if you have trouble differentiating between the results your Party gets and the results Republicans get, maybe that is okay.
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| -Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG' |
kpete |
Dec-16-09 09:40 AM |
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global1 |
Dec-16-09 09:43 AM |
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And you think that was sarcasm? I think there is some truth in that statement. |
1776Forever |
Dec-16-09 09:55 AM |
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If the bill passes and goes to reconciliation AND it doesnt change for the better ... |
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Dec-16-09 02:11 PM |
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Torches ... check! |
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Dec-17-09 02:31 PM |
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I'm so sorry that happened to you, your son and your family. MS is stressful enough, even with ins. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 03:44 AM |
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LMAO... part of that 3 dimensional chess eom |
Garam_Masala |
Dec-16-09 07:35 PM |
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3D chess is not for Dr. Dean. He is both human--and forthright. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 03:49 AM |
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One of the few people who speaks for "We The PEOPLE" |
bkohatlanta |
Dec-16-09 10:50 PM |
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It wasn't that Dean screamed |
newspeak |
Dec-17-09 12:09 PM |
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Sadly, only 2 people you named are on the public payroll, yet we employ thousands. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 03:58 AM |
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Sorry, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders and a small group of |
pokercat999 |
Dec-17-09 04:46 AM |
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Please add Dennis and Ron to your list! |
DonkeyHoTay |
Dec-18-09 11:04 AM |
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Milbank's eye opening op-ed on senators who voted against lower prescript. drug costs |
wordpix |
Dec-17-09 08:02 AM |
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Rec for Dean. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Dec-16-09 09:43 AM |
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call your representatives tell them to vote NO /nt |
still_one |
Dec-16-09 09:44 AM |
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Honestly, while I respect him, he was fine with the bill when it had the Medicare buy-in |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 10:01 AM |
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That buy in would have affected millions of people. |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 10:05 AM |
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Not sure that it would have, because the premiums were looking |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 10:10 AM |
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You may not be sure, but I am. |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 10:29 AM |
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Not all of the reforms have been removed. The purpose of any public |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 10:34 AM |
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It does nothing to determine how MUCH they can charge for those pre-existing condition plans. |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 10:39 AM |
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The exchange goes hand in hand with the subsidy program, if I understand it correctly. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 11:00 AM |
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We need to push for reconciliation. |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 11:16 AM |
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If we pass this bill, then yes, I would want at least some additional |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 11:24 AM |
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If this bill is passed, I predict that nothing else will happen. |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 11:35 AM |
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Eh, we're probably going to get hosed no matter what is or isn't passed, or |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 11:37 AM |
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That is why we need REAL reform. |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 11:41 AM |
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and those government subsidies go directly to the for profit insurance |
newspeak |
Dec-17-09 12:19 PM |
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YES, You just made the MOST IMPORTANT POINT eom |
Garam_Masala |
Dec-16-09 08:59 PM |
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The combo of a mandate AND no public option makes this bill exactly what Dean calls it: A bigger |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 04:06 AM |
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Where do you get these numbers for the Medicare buy in option? |
nbsmom |
Dec-16-09 09:10 PM |
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I can't remember where I saw them, but I remember reading that |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-09 12:16 AM |
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a medicare buy-in should be dependent upon your wages |
newspeak |
Dec-17-09 12:04 PM |
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Precisely. Dean is a reasonable man and he was making an effort, but they threw it back in our faces |
patrice |
Dec-16-09 12:53 PM |
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Frankly, I commend Dean for being so committed to get something that may help people |
liberation |
Dec-16-09 06:08 PM |
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He has nothing to gain, nor lose, by not buying into the talking point that "we have to pass |
patrice |
Dec-16-09 09:21 PM |
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Emanuel? Is that where the buck stops now, with the President's handpicked Chief of Staff? LOL. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 04:18 AM |
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I called my senator's offices, and Harry Reid's, too.l |
PassingFair |
Dec-17-09 06:38 AM |
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It wouldn't have affected that many people? |
Jefferson23 |
Dec-16-09 10:07 AM |
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But the proposal would not have applied to anyone who wanted it-- |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 10:13 AM |
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He is opposed to it as there exists no cost controls among other problems with it. |
Jefferson23 |
Dec-16-09 10:32 AM |
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dean was willing to settle for something that may have been a start toward |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 04:14 AM |
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Even With The High Premiums For The 55 to 64 Age Group...... |
global1 |
Dec-16-09 10:14 AM |
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I agree with much of what you say-- |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 10:21 AM |
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Sometimes I think our language on this site creates reality, even when reality is not really that |
earcandle |
Dec-16-09 09:44 PM |
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? Problems with bills do not get weeded out in implementation phases. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 04:28 AM |
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What has your party done for you? |
pundaint |
Dec-17-09 07:47 AM |
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Nastiness not called for. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 10:22 AM |
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Maybe not. But what the fuck about common sense??? You and......... |
pattmarty |
Dec-16-09 10:33 AM |
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and that's it |
newspeak |
Dec-17-09 12:27 PM |
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IMO, anyone who supports passing ANY bill is no liberal, armchair or otherwise. Other than that, I |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 04:32 AM |
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Love your sunflower |
pscot |
Dec-16-09 02:14 PM |
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Pattmarty, I like your style. You are absolutely correct. Well said! |
Iowa |
Dec-16-09 02:24 PM |
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I think that, like me, you have found out that Dean is to the right of you |
Zodiak |
Dec-16-09 12:04 PM |
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No, I'm actually to the right of Dean--I'm more centrist than liberal. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 12:12 PM |
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You're probably right |
Zodiak |
Dec-16-09 12:27 PM |
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Only 20% of the nation identifies itself as Republican, while Bush once had an approval rating of |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 04:47 AM |
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Nice post. nt |
Enthusiast |
Dec-17-09 09:09 AM |
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What Lynn Woolsey had to say |
groovedaddy |
Dec-16-09 12:44 PM |
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I agree with that. I just don't think the PO or the Medicare buy-in, as proposed, were |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 12:58 PM |
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"Kinda narrow" is still better than " totally absent." |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 05:24 AM |
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Oh, I agree--I would certainly rather have them than not. But I don't know that |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-09 08:50 AM |
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"can't believe it's just the absence of the buy-in" |
Mithreal |
Dec-16-09 04:11 PM |
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Of course not, it's because there's no REFORM, it's a gift |
mother earth |
Dec-16-09 06:10 PM |
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I have an idea... to make this all clean and consistent... |
tomm2thumbs |
Dec-16-09 10:06 AM |
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Thank you Dr. Dean. Tell it like it is. n/t |
coyote |
Dec-16-09 10:12 AM |
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Has any one administration had such a mania for giving taxpayer money to private corps? |
Romulox |
Dec-16-09 10:24 AM |
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Oh, Junior did a pretty good job of diverting our resources to military contractors. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-16-09 10:26 AM |
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Right. Then Obama *raised* military spending, kept all the same people in charge. |
Romulox |
Dec-16-09 10:31 AM |
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And Obama's doing the same "diverting our resources" to the................. |
pattmarty |
Dec-16-09 11:36 AM |
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Yabbut You Know What's REALLY Funny? |
NashVegas |
Dec-16-09 12:41 PM |
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A little "double dipping"? I am not against the Capital system per se..................... |
pattmarty |
Dec-16-09 01:38 PM |
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I should say so! |
Enthusiast |
Dec-17-09 09:00 AM |
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yes. |
rapturedbyrobots |
Dec-16-09 01:19 PM |
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It's more than that. |
edc |
Dec-16-09 06:49 PM |
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Hardly. There was never a stronger move |
Enthusiast |
Dec-17-09 09:06 AM |
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I think it's time Howard.... |
DirtyDawg |
Dec-16-09 10:27 AM |
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That's right, its Emanuel's fault. Don't blame Obama |
ArcticFox |
Dec-16-09 01:27 PM |
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Obama is an adult. & he choose Rahm, & yet many act like Obama is the |
truedelphi |
Dec-16-09 04:29 PM |
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Obama has his own mind. And why do you think he picked Rahm anyway? |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 04:57 AM |
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The rotten is the enemy of the good. |
Metta |
Dec-16-09 11:31 AM |
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And the absolutely rotten is the enemy absolutely. |
change_notfinetuning |
Dec-16-09 12:40 PM |
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K&R. |
Vidar |
Dec-16-09 11:43 AM |
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And if the bill were killed here is what would happen |
YewNork |
Dec-16-09 12:13 PM |
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There wouldn't be any trillion dollar bailout of the insurance industry paid for by taxpayers! |
Better Believe It |
Dec-16-09 12:25 PM |
#39 |
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So lets dig our graves even deeper! |
ArcticFox |
Dec-16-09 01:45 PM |
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Well |
Sherman A1 |
Dec-16-09 06:22 PM |
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Don't sit them out. That sends, at best, an unclear message. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 05:15 AM |
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Oh, I will most likely vote |
Sherman A1 |
Dec-17-09 06:10 AM |
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We need to vote |
Enthusiast |
Dec-17-09 09:25 AM |
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Maybe, but even worse will happen to the nation and the Party if we pass a POS. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 05:09 AM |
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Somebody's getting ready to run for President!!! n/t |
galileoreloaded |
Dec-16-09 12:17 PM |
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More like: " Somebody CARES about the American People"... |
PassingFair |
Dec-16-09 12:26 PM |
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I worked for him in 2004 |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-16-09 01:44 PM |
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HIGHLY unlikely. (Unfortunately) |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 05:19 AM |
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At the least, the mandated insurance clause should be stripped! n/t |
dmosh42 |
Dec-16-09 12:27 PM |
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I'm so disgusted. |
Zoeisright |
Dec-16-09 12:30 PM |
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we can move |
rapturedbyrobots |
Dec-16-09 01:23 PM |
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No, WE can't move. |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-16-09 01:46 PM |
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maybe you can't |
rapturedbyrobots |
Dec-16-09 03:49 PM |
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I wish Dean would run against Obama in the 2012 primaries. |
totodeinhere |
Dec-16-09 12:35 PM |
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He'd need to run 3rd party. |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-16-09 01:48 PM |
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I wouldn't support a thrid party. But... |
totodeinhere |
Dec-16-09 02:00 PM |
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Yes, but in 1980 |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-16-09 02:18 PM |
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Hillary is at least as corporate and conservative as Obama, if not more so. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 05:50 AM |
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Zactly. nt |
Enthusiast |
Dec-17-09 09:31 AM |
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Hillary is as Conservative as Obama. They both push the agenda of the DLC (nt) |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-17-09 08:35 AM |
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Yes, Kennedy did that, but he lost the primary and then Carter lost the general to |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 05:34 AM |
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President Obama's Press Secretary Robert Gibbs did the Dean/bin Laden flash ad when he was working |
bobthedrummer |
Dec-16-09 07:01 PM |
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Yep, especially the DLC, with the help of the media, of course. But Democratic |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 05:28 AM |
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Mine too |
Bushknew |
Dec-16-09 03:44 PM |
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Mine too |
MissDeeds |
Dec-16-09 04:38 PM |
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+1 For Dean.. |
Illuminated |
Dec-17-09 09:18 AM |
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Drop the Health Care "Reform" Bill and start over |
Goldstein1984 |
Dec-16-09 12:47 PM |
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The bill has no chance of passing now. |
neuvocat |
Dec-16-09 12:47 PM |
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Recommend |
xchrom |
Dec-16-09 01:17 PM |
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Thank you, Dr. Dean. |
democrank |
Dec-16-09 01:26 PM |
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Pull back the curtain Dean !!!! |
harun |
Dec-16-09 01:29 PM |
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It's WAAAYYY past time for him |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-16-09 01:49 PM |
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HOWARD DEAN FOR PRESIDENT. Seriously. We need true leadership, not corporate whoredom. n/t |
NoodleyAppendage |
Dec-16-09 02:59 PM |
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Right -- because it's our job to save capitalism from itself, but not our citizens!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-16-09 03:13 PM |
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K&R |
girl_interrupted |
Dec-16-09 03:26 PM |
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The Dr. is always right... |
nradisic |
Dec-16-09 03:35 PM |
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Have you checked out the first page of the DFA website lately? |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 06:06 AM |
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Those poor old insurance companies need a break more than granny |
Hubert Flottz |
Dec-16-09 03:49 PM |
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Thi is from someone w expertise and no strings to lobbyists or corporate interest. |
mod mom |
Dec-16-09 04:37 PM |
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K&R for Dean! |
MissDeeds |
Dec-16-09 04:43 PM |
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Oh shit. |
BobRossi |
Dec-16-09 04:51 PM |
#81 |
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Howard Dean's motivation... |
hgovernick |
Dec-16-09 05:07 PM |
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The Dr. knows what is talking about. And I trust him too. |
midnight |
Dec-16-09 05:38 PM |
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SNAP! |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Dec-16-09 05:31 PM |
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Make a bill we can be proud of..... |
Hulk |
Dec-16-09 06:00 PM |
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hurt joe petition |
julian09 |
Dec-16-09 07:04 PM |
#92 |
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Dean is actually representing "We the people", K & R, and he's |
mother earth |
Dec-16-09 06:12 PM |
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Just say no to "Lieberman Health Care Reform" |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-16-09 07:09 PM |
#93 |
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YES! Big Pharma and Big Insurance will get $900 Billion |
Garam_Masala |
Dec-16-09 07:33 PM |
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By 2014 the system will have completely collapsed |
lovuian |
Dec-16-09 07:53 PM |
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Why wait until 2014 to rise up? And, if we don't rise up before then, we probably never will. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 06:04 AM |
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So what's it gonna take to rid ourselves of our corporate overlords? |
Initech |
Dec-16-09 08:08 PM |
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American R E V O L U T I O N eom |
Garam_Masala |
Dec-16-09 08:55 PM |
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If Dean runs for the presidency, I guarantee my vote to him... |
Bushknew |
Dec-16-09 08:11 PM |
#98 |
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Yes, I wanted him over the French looking John Kerry eom |
Garam_Masala |
Dec-16-09 08:56 PM |
#102 |
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Just a reminder that Kerry voted |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-17-09 07:29 AM |
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Gov. Dean would have made a good President. |
Bette Noir |
Dec-16-09 08:19 PM |
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Mainly because he so doggone HONEST |
Garam_Masala |
Dec-16-09 08:57 PM |
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Dean's right |
gelinas |
Dec-16-09 08:43 PM |
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I watched Dean on Matthews tonite and I applauded Matthews. And even Marcos of Daily Kos was |
felinetta |
Dec-16-09 08:59 PM |
#104 |
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Yet one more reason why we must take money out of political campaigns |
reformist |
Dec-16-09 08:59 PM |
#105 |
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The bill sucks, and the "mandate" that Obama battled Hillary on in the primaries will hurt many. nt |
NorthCarolina |
Dec-16-09 09:17 PM |
#107 |
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can't they just alter the bill to include single payer and pass it before Christmas? |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Dec-16-09 09:35 PM |
#109 |
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obama's okay with this? Interesting... so big Pharma and insurance corporations |
nightrain |
Dec-16-09 09:39 PM |
#110 |
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Mr. President, you fucked up. |
lonestarnot |
Dec-16-09 09:56 PM |
#112 |
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That he did. n/t |
deacon |
Dec-16-09 10:34 PM |
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Obama will go down as another failed president on health care if he signs this travesty. |
deacon |
Dec-16-09 10:32 PM |
#113 |
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K&R - FUCK the Fascist "Individual Mandate"! |
New Dawn |
Dec-16-09 10:42 PM |
#115 |
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The Olberman Position.. |
Illuminated |
Dec-17-09 09:20 AM |
#175 |
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KILL THE BILL! |
Odin2005 |
Dec-16-09 10:51 PM |
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okay we all |
mstinamotorcity |
Dec-16-09 11:17 PM |
#118 |
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Obama is supporting the bill you call a hot piece of shit, but you don't want to blame him? |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 06:16 AM |
#156 |
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No i don't |
mstinamotorcity |
Dec-17-09 07:44 AM |
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Do you really think that.. |
butterfly77 |
Dec-17-09 12:29 PM |
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PASS THE DAMN BILL WITH SINGLE PAYER FIRST... |
BanTheGOP |
Dec-17-09 01:23 AM |
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Yes! Yes! Yes! |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 06:43 AM |
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glad your posting |
mdmc |
Dec-17-09 03:54 AM |
#134 |
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It's all we can get ONLY if we accept that it is all we can get. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 06:23 AM |
#157 |
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Over 600 posts ago, I was the same way when I ex-pat out of the States |
Suji to Seoul |
Dec-17-09 04:19 AM |
#139 |
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Please see Reply 146. |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 06:27 AM |
#158 |
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Welcome back. n/t |
JTFrog |
Dec-17-09 05:30 AM |
#150 |
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The answer is that they're all |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-17-09 07:32 AM |
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Wow, you are *so* 'progressive' and 'liberal' and stuff. |
ronnie624 |
Dec-18-09 12:19 AM |
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CONTACT your Rep and your Senators and tell them that you agree with Dr. Dean and will work |
No Elephants |
Dec-17-09 06:32 AM |
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I've been doing that for days now...... |
icee |
Dec-17-09 09:06 AM |
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So, did AIG weaken everything so much that what we are REALLY doing here is another Bailout? |
patrice |
Dec-17-09 08:00 AM |
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let's call it what it really is: A SCAM |
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