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edc Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:49 PM
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90. It's more than that.
The notion that government can compel any citizen or resident to make purchases from private vendors and subsidize those compulsory purchases with public money is another giant goose step toward fascism.
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  -Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG' kpete  Dec-16-09 09:40 AM   #0 
  - Maybe It's A Strategy To Get Repugs To Vote For It.....(sarcasm) nt  global1   Dec-16-09 09:43 AM   #1 
  - And you think that was sarcasm? I think there is some truth in that statement.  1776Forever   Dec-16-09 09:55 AM   #4 
  - If the bill passes and goes to reconciliation AND it doesnt change for the better ...  zoff   Dec-16-09 02:11 PM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 01:59 AM   #123 
     - Torches ... check!  zoff   Dec-17-09 02:31 PM   #191 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 01:57 AM   #122 
  - I'm so sorry that happened to you, your son and your family. MS is stressful enough, even with ins.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 03:44 AM   #132 
  - LMAO... part of that 3 dimensional chess eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 07:35 PM   #95 
  - 3D chess is not for Dr. Dean. He is both human--and forthright.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 03:49 AM   #133 
  - One of the few people who speaks for "We The PEOPLE"  bkohatlanta   Dec-16-09 10:50 PM   #116 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:15 AM   #125 
  - It wasn't that Dean screamed  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:09 PM   #187 
  - Sadly, only 2 people you named are on the public payroll, yet we employ thousands.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 03:58 AM   #135 
  - Sorry, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders and a small group of  pokercat999   Dec-17-09 04:46 AM   #142 
  - Please add Dennis and Ron to your list!  DonkeyHoTay   Dec-18-09 11:04 AM   #193 
  - Milbank's eye opening op-ed on senators who voted against lower prescript. drug costs  wordpix   Dec-17-09 08:02 AM   #167 
  - Rec for Dean.  SemiCharmedQuark   Dec-16-09 09:43 AM   #2 
  - call your representatives tell them to vote NO /nt  still_one   Dec-16-09 09:44 AM   #3 
  - Honestly, while I respect him, he was fine with the bill when it had the Medicare buy-in  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:01 AM   #5 
  - That buy in would have affected millions of people.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 10:05 AM   #6 
  - Not sure that it would have, because the premiums were looking  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:10 AM   #9 
  - You may not be sure, but I am.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 10:29 AM   #19 
  - Not all of the reforms have been removed. The purpose of any public  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:34 AM   #23 
     - It does nothing to determine how MUCH they can charge for those pre-existing condition plans.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 10:39 AM   #25 
     - The exchange goes hand in hand with the subsidy program, if I understand it correctly.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 11:00 AM   #26 
     - We need to push for reconciliation.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 11:16 AM   #27 
        - If we pass this bill, then yes, I would want at least some additional  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 11:24 AM   #28 
           - If this bill is passed, I predict that nothing else will happen.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 11:35 AM   #30 
              - Eh, we're probably going to get hosed no matter what is or isn't passed, or  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 11:37 AM   #32 
                 - That is why we need REAL reform.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 11:41 AM   #33 
                    - and those government subsidies go directly to the for profit insurance  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:19 PM   #188 
     - YES, You just made the MOST IMPORTANT POINT eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:59 PM   # 
     - The combo of a mandate AND no public option makes this bill exactly what Dean calls it: A bigger  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:06 AM   #136 
  - Where do you get these numbers for the Medicare buy in option?  nbsmom   Dec-16-09 09:10 PM   #106 
     - I can't remember where I saw them, but I remember reading that  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-09 12:16 AM   #119 
        - a medicare buy-in should be dependent upon your wages  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:04 PM   #186 
  - Precisely. Dean is a reasonable man and he was making an effort, but they threw it back in our faces  patrice   Dec-16-09 12:53 PM   #50 
  - Frankly, I commend Dean for being so committed to get something that may help people  liberation   Dec-16-09 06:08 PM   #86 
     - He has nothing to gain, nor lose, by not buying into the talking point that "we have to pass  patrice   Dec-16-09 09:21 PM   #108 
     - Emanuel? Is that where the buck stops now, with the President's handpicked Chief of Staff? LOL.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:18 AM   #138 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:09 AM   #124 
     - I called my senator's offices, and Harry Reid's, too.l  PassingFair   Dec-17-09 06:38 AM   #160 
  - It wouldn't have affected that many people?  Jefferson23   Dec-16-09 10:07 AM   #8 
  - But the proposal would not have applied to anyone who wanted it--  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:13 AM   #11 
     - He is opposed to it as there exists no cost controls among other problems with it.  Jefferson23   Dec-16-09 10:32 AM   #21 
     - dean was willing to settle for something that may have been a start toward  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:14 AM   #137 
  - Even With The High Premiums For The 55 to 64 Age Group......  global1   Dec-16-09 10:14 AM   #12 
  - I agree with much of what you say--  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:21 AM   #14 
     - Sometimes I think our language on this site creates reality, even when reality is not really that  earcandle   Dec-16-09 09:44 PM   #111 
     - ? Problems with bills do not get weeded out in implementation phases.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:28 AM   #140 
     - What has your party done for you?  pundaint   Dec-17-09 07:47 AM   #165 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-09 10:20 AM   #13 
  - Nastiness not called for.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:22 AM   #15 
  - Maybe not. But what the fuck about common sense??? You and.........  pattmarty   Dec-16-09 10:33 AM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:25 AM   #127 
  - and that's it  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:27 PM   #189 
  - IMO, anyone who supports passing ANY bill is no liberal, armchair or otherwise. Other than that, I  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:32 AM   #141 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:23 AM   #180 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-09 10:34 AM   #24 
  - Love your sunflower  pscot   Dec-16-09 02:14 PM   #66 
  - Pattmarty, I like your style. You are absolutely correct. Well said!  Iowa   Dec-16-09 02:24 PM   #68 
  - I think that, like me, you have found out that Dean is to the right of you  Zodiak   Dec-16-09 12:04 PM   #35 
  - No, I'm actually to the right of Dean--I'm more centrist than liberal.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 12:12 PM   #36 
  - You're probably right  Zodiak   Dec-16-09 12:27 PM   #41 
  - Only 20% of the nation identifies itself as Republican, while Bush once had an approval rating of  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:47 AM   #143 
     - Nice post. nt  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:09 AM   #173 
  - What Lynn Woolsey had to say  groovedaddy   Dec-16-09 12:44 PM   #47 
  - I agree with that. I just don't think the PO or the Medicare buy-in, as proposed, were  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 12:58 PM   #51 
     - "Kinda narrow" is still better than " totally absent."  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:24 AM   #148 
        - Oh, I agree--I would certainly rather have them than not. But I don't know that  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-09 08:50 AM   #169 
  - "can't believe it's just the absence of the buy-in"  Mithreal   Dec-16-09 04:11 PM   #76 
  - Of course not, it's because there's no REFORM, it's a gift  mother earth   Dec-16-09 06:10 PM   #87 
  - I have an idea... to make this all clean and consistent...  tomm2thumbs   Dec-16-09 10:06 AM   #7 
  - Thank you Dr. Dean. Tell it like it is. n/t  coyote   Dec-16-09 10:12 AM   #10 
  - Has any one administration had such a mania for giving taxpayer money to private corps?  Romulox   Dec-16-09 10:24 AM   #16 
  - Oh, Junior did a pretty good job of diverting our resources to military contractors.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:26 AM   #17 
  - Right. Then Obama *raised* military spending, kept all the same people in charge.  Romulox   Dec-16-09 10:31 AM   #20 
  - And Obama's doing the same "diverting our resources" to the.................  pattmarty   Dec-16-09 11:36 AM   #31 
  - Yabbut You Know What's REALLY Funny?  NashVegas   Dec-16-09 12:41 PM   #46 
     - A little "double dipping"? I am not against the Capital system per se.....................  pattmarty   Dec-16-09 01:38 PM   #58 
  - I should say so!  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:00 AM   #170 
  - yes.  rapturedbyrobots   Dec-16-09 01:19 PM   #53 
  - It's more than that.  edc   Dec-16-09 06:49 PM   #90 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:21 AM   #126 
     - Hardly. There was never a stronger move  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:06 AM   #171 
  - I think it's time Howard....  DirtyDawg   Dec-16-09 10:27 AM   #18 
  - That's right, its Emanuel's fault. Don't blame Obama  ArcticFox   Dec-16-09 01:27 PM   #56 
  - Obama is an adult. & he choose Rahm, & yet many act like Obama is the  truedelphi   Dec-16-09 04:29 PM   #77 
  - Obama has his own mind. And why do you think he picked Rahm anyway?  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:57 AM   #144 
  - The rotten is the enemy of the good.  Metta   Dec-16-09 11:31 AM   #29 
  - And the absolutely rotten is the enemy absolutely.  change_notfinetuning   Dec-16-09 12:40 PM   #45 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Dec-16-09 11:43 AM   #34 
  - And if the bill were killed here is what would happen  YewNork   Dec-16-09 12:13 PM   #37 
  - There wouldn't be any trillion dollar bailout of the insurance industry paid for by taxpayers!  Better Believe It   Dec-16-09 12:25 PM   #39 
  - So lets dig our graves even deeper!  ArcticFox   Dec-16-09 01:45 PM   #60 
  - Well  Sherman A1   Dec-16-09 06:22 PM   #89 
  - Don't sit them out. That sends, at best, an unclear message.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:15 AM   #146 
  - Oh, I will most likely vote  Sherman A1   Dec-17-09 06:10 AM   #155 
  - We need to vote  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:25 AM   #176 
  - Maybe, but even worse will happen to the nation and the Party if we pass a POS.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:09 AM   #145 
  - Somebody's getting ready to run for President!!! n/t  galileoreloaded   Dec-16-09 12:17 PM   #38 
  - More like: " Somebody CARES about the American People"...  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 12:26 PM   #40 
  - I worked for him in 2004  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:44 PM   #59 
  - HIGHLY unlikely. (Unfortunately)  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:19 AM   #147 
  - At the least, the mandated insurance clause should be stripped! n/t  dmosh42   Dec-16-09 12:27 PM   #42 
  - I'm so disgusted.  Zoeisright   Dec-16-09 12:30 PM   #43 
  - we can move  rapturedbyrobots   Dec-16-09 01:23 PM   #54 
     - No, WE can't move.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:46 PM   #61 
        - maybe you can't  rapturedbyrobots   Dec-16-09 03:49 PM   #74 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:28 AM   #128 
  - I wish Dean would run against Obama in the 2012 primaries.  totodeinhere   Dec-16-09 12:35 PM   #44 
  - He'd need to run 3rd party.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:48 PM   #62 
  - I wouldn't support a thrid party. But...  totodeinhere   Dec-16-09 02:00 PM   #64 
  - Yes, but in 1980  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 02:18 PM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:34 AM   #129 
  - Hillary is at least as corporate and conservative as Obama, if not more so.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:50 AM   #152 
  - Zactly. nt  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:31 AM   #177 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 11:14 AM   #185 
  - Hillary is as Conservative as Obama. They both push the agenda of the DLC (nt)  NorthCarolina   Dec-17-09 08:35 AM   #168 
  - Yes, Kennedy did that, but he lost the primary and then Carter lost the general to  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:34 AM   #151 
  - President Obama's Press Secretary Robert Gibbs did the Dean/bin Laden flash ad when he was working  bobthedrummer   Dec-16-09 07:01 PM   #91 
  - Yep, especially the DLC, with the help of the media, of course. But Democratic  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:28 AM   #149 
  - Mine too  Bushknew   Dec-16-09 03:44 PM   #73 
  - Mine too  MissDeeds   Dec-16-09 04:38 PM   #79 
  - +1 For Dean..  Illuminated   Dec-17-09 09:18 AM   #174 
  - Drop the Health Care "Reform" Bill and start over  Goldstein1984   Dec-16-09 12:47 PM   #48 
  - The bill has no chance of passing now.  neuvocat   Dec-16-09 12:47 PM   #49 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:46 AM   #184 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Dec-16-09 01:17 PM   #52 
  - Thank you, Dr. Dean.  democrank   Dec-16-09 01:26 PM   #55 
  - Pull back the curtain Dean !!!!  harun   Dec-16-09 01:29 PM   #57 
  - It's WAAAYYY past time for him  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:49 PM   #63 
  - HOWARD DEAN FOR PRESIDENT. Seriously. We need true leadership, not corporate whoredom. n/t  NoodleyAppendage   Dec-16-09 02:59 PM   #69 
  - Right -- because it's our job to save capitalism from itself, but not our citizens!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-16-09 03:13 PM   #70 
  - K&R  girl_interrupted   Dec-16-09 03:26 PM   #71 
  - The Dr. is always right...  nradisic   Dec-16-09 03:35 PM   #72 
  - Have you checked out the first page of the DFA website lately?  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:06 AM   #154 
  - Those poor old insurance companies need a break more than granny  Hubert Flottz   Dec-16-09 03:49 PM   #75 
  - Thi is from someone w expertise and no strings to lobbyists or corporate interest.  mod mom   Dec-16-09 04:37 PM   #78 
  - K&R for Dean!  MissDeeds   Dec-16-09 04:43 PM   #80 
  - Oh shit.  BobRossi   Dec-16-09 04:51 PM   #81 
  - Howard Dean's motivation...  hgovernick   Dec-16-09 05:07 PM   #82 
  - The Dr. knows what is talking about. And I trust him too.  midnight   Dec-16-09 05:38 PM   #84 
  - SNAP!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-16-09 05:31 PM   #83 
  - Make a bill we can be proud of.....  Hulk   Dec-16-09 06:00 PM   #85 
  - hurt joe petition  julian09   Dec-16-09 07:04 PM   #92 
  - Dean is actually representing "We the people", K & R, and he's  mother earth   Dec-16-09 06:12 PM   #88 
  - Just say no to "Lieberman Health Care Reform"  Canuckistanian   Dec-16-09 07:09 PM   #93 
  - YES! Big Pharma and Big Insurance will get $900 Billion  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 07:33 PM   #94 
  - By 2014 the system will have completely collapsed  lovuian   Dec-16-09 07:53 PM   #96 
  - Why wait until 2014 to rise up? And, if we don't rise up before then, we probably never will.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:04 AM   #153 
  - So what's it gonna take to rid ourselves of our corporate overlords?  Initech   Dec-16-09 08:08 PM   #97 
  - American R E V O L U T I O N eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:55 PM   #101 
  - If Dean runs for the presidency, I guarantee my vote to him...  Bushknew   Dec-16-09 08:11 PM   #98 
  - Yes, I wanted him over the French looking John Kerry eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:56 PM   #102 
     - Just a reminder that Kerry voted  Le Taz Hot   Dec-17-09 07:29 AM   #162 
  - Gov. Dean would have made a good President.  Bette Noir   Dec-16-09 08:19 PM   #99 
  - Mainly because he so doggone HONEST  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:57 PM   #103 
  - Dean's right  gelinas   Dec-16-09 08:43 PM   #100 
  - I watched Dean on Matthews tonite and I applauded Matthews. And even Marcos of Daily Kos was  felinetta   Dec-16-09 08:59 PM   #104 
  - Yet one more reason why we must take money out of political campaigns  reformist   Dec-16-09 08:59 PM   #105 
  - The bill sucks, and the "mandate" that Obama battled Hillary on in the primaries will hurt many. nt  NorthCarolina   Dec-16-09 09:17 PM   #107 
  - can't they just alter the bill to include single payer and pass it before Christmas?  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-16-09 09:35 PM   #109 
  - obama's okay with this? Interesting... so big Pharma and insurance corporations  nightrain   Dec-16-09 09:39 PM   #110 
  - Mr. President, you fucked up.  lonestarnot   Dec-16-09 09:56 PM   #112 
  - That he did. n/t  deacon   Dec-16-09 10:34 PM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:37 AM   #130 
  - Obama will go down as another failed president on health care if he signs this travesty.  deacon   Dec-16-09 10:32 PM   #113 
  - K&R - FUCK the Fascist "Individual Mandate"!  New Dawn   Dec-16-09 10:42 PM   #115 
  - The Olberman Position..  Illuminated   Dec-17-09 09:20 AM   #175 
  - KILL THE BILL!  Odin2005   Dec-16-09 10:51 PM   #117 
  - okay we all  mstinamotorcity   Dec-16-09 11:17 PM   #118 
  - Obama is supporting the bill you call a hot piece of shit, but you don't want to blame him?  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:16 AM   #156 
     - No i don't  mstinamotorcity   Dec-17-09 07:44 AM   #164 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:26 AM   #181 
     - Do you really think that..  butterfly77   Dec-17-09 12:29 PM   #190 
  - PASS THE DAMN BILL WITH SINGLE PAYER FIRST...  BanTheGOP   Dec-17-09 01:23 AM   #120 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:44 AM   #131 
  - Yes! Yes! Yes!  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:43 AM   #161 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 01:52 AM   #121 
  - glad your posting  mdmc   Dec-17-09 03:54 AM   #134 
  - It's all we can get ONLY if we accept that it is all we can get.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:23 AM   #157 
  - Over 600 posts ago, I was the same way when I ex-pat out of the States  Suji to Seoul   Dec-17-09 04:19 AM   #139 
  - Please see Reply 146.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:27 AM   #158 
  - Welcome back. n/t  JTFrog   Dec-17-09 05:30 AM   #150 
  - The answer is that they're all  Le Taz Hot   Dec-17-09 07:32 AM   #163 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:22 AM   #179 
        - Wow, you are *so* 'progressive' and 'liberal' and stuff.  ronnie624   Dec-18-09 12:19 AM   #192 
  - CONTACT your Rep and your Senators and tell them that you agree with Dr. Dean and will work  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:32 AM   #159 
  - I've been doing that for days now......  icee   Dec-17-09 09:06 AM   #172 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:30 AM   #182 
  - So, did AIG weaken everything so much that what we are REALLY doing here is another Bailout?  patrice   Dec-17-09 08:00 AM   #166 
  - let's call it what it really is: A SCAM  Skittles   Dec-17-09 09:35 AM   #178 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:39 AM   #183 

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