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Response to Reply #5
76. "can't believe it's just the absence of the buy-in"
I think there is more to the story as well.
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  -Howard Dean: Health Care Bill 'Bigger Bailout for the Insurance Industry Than AIG' kpete  Dec-16-09 09:40 AM   #0 
  - Maybe It's A Strategy To Get Repugs To Vote For It.....(sarcasm) nt  global1   Dec-16-09 09:43 AM   #1 
  - And you think that was sarcasm? I think there is some truth in that statement.  1776Forever   Dec-16-09 09:55 AM   #4 
  - If the bill passes and goes to reconciliation AND it doesnt change for the better ...  zoff   Dec-16-09 02:11 PM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 01:59 AM   #123 
     - Torches ... check!  zoff   Dec-17-09 02:31 PM   #191 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 01:57 AM   #122 
  - I'm so sorry that happened to you, your son and your family. MS is stressful enough, even with ins.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 03:44 AM   #132 
  - LMAO... part of that 3 dimensional chess eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 07:35 PM   #95 
  - 3D chess is not for Dr. Dean. He is both human--and forthright.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 03:49 AM   #133 
  - One of the few people who speaks for "We The PEOPLE"  bkohatlanta   Dec-16-09 10:50 PM   #116 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:15 AM   #125 
  - It wasn't that Dean screamed  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:09 PM   #187 
  - Sadly, only 2 people you named are on the public payroll, yet we employ thousands.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 03:58 AM   #135 
  - Sorry, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders and a small group of  pokercat999   Dec-17-09 04:46 AM   #142 
  - Please add Dennis and Ron to your list!  DonkeyHoTay   Dec-18-09 11:04 AM   #193 
  - Milbank's eye opening op-ed on senators who voted against lower prescript. drug costs  wordpix   Dec-17-09 08:02 AM   #167 
  - Rec for Dean.  SemiCharmedQuark   Dec-16-09 09:43 AM   #2 
  - call your representatives tell them to vote NO /nt  still_one   Dec-16-09 09:44 AM   #3 
  - Honestly, while I respect him, he was fine with the bill when it had the Medicare buy-in  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:01 AM   #5 
  - That buy in would have affected millions of people.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 10:05 AM   #6 
  - Not sure that it would have, because the premiums were looking  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:10 AM   #9 
  - You may not be sure, but I am.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 10:29 AM   #19 
  - Not all of the reforms have been removed. The purpose of any public  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:34 AM   #23 
     - It does nothing to determine how MUCH they can charge for those pre-existing condition plans.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 10:39 AM   #25 
     - The exchange goes hand in hand with the subsidy program, if I understand it correctly.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 11:00 AM   #26 
     - We need to push for reconciliation.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 11:16 AM   #27 
        - If we pass this bill, then yes, I would want at least some additional  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 11:24 AM   #28 
           - If this bill is passed, I predict that nothing else will happen.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 11:35 AM   #30 
              - Eh, we're probably going to get hosed no matter what is or isn't passed, or  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 11:37 AM   #32 
                 - That is why we need REAL reform.  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 11:41 AM   #33 
                    - and those government subsidies go directly to the for profit insurance  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:19 PM   #188 
     - YES, You just made the MOST IMPORTANT POINT eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:59 PM   # 
     - The combo of a mandate AND no public option makes this bill exactly what Dean calls it: A bigger  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:06 AM   #136 
  - Where do you get these numbers for the Medicare buy in option?  nbsmom   Dec-16-09 09:10 PM   #106 
     - I can't remember where I saw them, but I remember reading that  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-09 12:16 AM   #119 
        - a medicare buy-in should be dependent upon your wages  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:04 PM   #186 
  - Precisely. Dean is a reasonable man and he was making an effort, but they threw it back in our faces  patrice   Dec-16-09 12:53 PM   #50 
  - Frankly, I commend Dean for being so committed to get something that may help people  liberation   Dec-16-09 06:08 PM   #86 
     - He has nothing to gain, nor lose, by not buying into the talking point that "we have to pass  patrice   Dec-16-09 09:21 PM   #108 
     - Emanuel? Is that where the buck stops now, with the President's handpicked Chief of Staff? LOL.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:18 AM   #138 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:09 AM   #124 
     - I called my senator's offices, and Harry Reid's, too.l  PassingFair   Dec-17-09 06:38 AM   #160 
  - It wouldn't have affected that many people?  Jefferson23   Dec-16-09 10:07 AM   #8 
  - But the proposal would not have applied to anyone who wanted it--  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:13 AM   #11 
     - He is opposed to it as there exists no cost controls among other problems with it.  Jefferson23   Dec-16-09 10:32 AM   #21 
     - dean was willing to settle for something that may have been a start toward  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:14 AM   #137 
  - Even With The High Premiums For The 55 to 64 Age Group......  global1   Dec-16-09 10:14 AM   #12 
  - I agree with much of what you say--  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:21 AM   #14 
     - Sometimes I think our language on this site creates reality, even when reality is not really that  earcandle   Dec-16-09 09:44 PM   #111 
     - ? Problems with bills do not get weeded out in implementation phases.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:28 AM   #140 
     - What has your party done for you?  pundaint   Dec-17-09 07:47 AM   #165 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-09 10:20 AM   #13 
  - Nastiness not called for.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:22 AM   #15 
  - Maybe not. But what the fuck about common sense??? You and.........  pattmarty   Dec-16-09 10:33 AM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:25 AM   #127 
  - and that's it  newspeak   Dec-17-09 12:27 PM   #189 
  - IMO, anyone who supports passing ANY bill is no liberal, armchair or otherwise. Other than that, I  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:32 AM   #141 
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  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-16-09 10:34 AM   #24 
  - Love your sunflower  pscot   Dec-16-09 02:14 PM   #66 
  - Pattmarty, I like your style. You are absolutely correct. Well said!  Iowa   Dec-16-09 02:24 PM   #68 
  - I think that, like me, you have found out that Dean is to the right of you  Zodiak   Dec-16-09 12:04 PM   #35 
  - No, I'm actually to the right of Dean--I'm more centrist than liberal.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 12:12 PM   #36 
  - You're probably right  Zodiak   Dec-16-09 12:27 PM   #41 
  - Only 20% of the nation identifies itself as Republican, while Bush once had an approval rating of  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:47 AM   #143 
     - Nice post. nt  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:09 AM   #173 
  - What Lynn Woolsey had to say  groovedaddy   Dec-16-09 12:44 PM   #47 
  - I agree with that. I just don't think the PO or the Medicare buy-in, as proposed, were  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 12:58 PM   #51 
     - "Kinda narrow" is still better than " totally absent."  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:24 AM   #148 
        - Oh, I agree--I would certainly rather have them than not. But I don't know that  TwilightGardener   Dec-17-09 08:50 AM   #169 
  - "can't believe it's just the absence of the buy-in"  Mithreal   Dec-16-09 04:11 PM   #76 
  - Of course not, it's because there's no REFORM, it's a gift  mother earth   Dec-16-09 06:10 PM   #87 
  - I have an idea... to make this all clean and consistent...  tomm2thumbs   Dec-16-09 10:06 AM   #7 
  - Thank you Dr. Dean. Tell it like it is. n/t  coyote   Dec-16-09 10:12 AM   #10 
  - Has any one administration had such a mania for giving taxpayer money to private corps?  Romulox   Dec-16-09 10:24 AM   #16 
  - Oh, Junior did a pretty good job of diverting our resources to military contractors.  TwilightGardener   Dec-16-09 10:26 AM   #17 
  - Right. Then Obama *raised* military spending, kept all the same people in charge.  Romulox   Dec-16-09 10:31 AM   #20 
  - And Obama's doing the same "diverting our resources" to the.................  pattmarty   Dec-16-09 11:36 AM   #31 
  - Yabbut You Know What's REALLY Funny?  NashVegas   Dec-16-09 12:41 PM   #46 
     - A little "double dipping"? I am not against the Capital system per se.....................  pattmarty   Dec-16-09 01:38 PM   #58 
  - I should say so!  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:00 AM   #170 
  - yes.  rapturedbyrobots   Dec-16-09 01:19 PM   #53 
  - It's more than that.  edc   Dec-16-09 06:49 PM   #90 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:21 AM   #126 
     - Hardly. There was never a stronger move  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:06 AM   #171 
  - I think it's time Howard....  DirtyDawg   Dec-16-09 10:27 AM   #18 
  - That's right, its Emanuel's fault. Don't blame Obama  ArcticFox   Dec-16-09 01:27 PM   #56 
  - Obama is an adult. & he choose Rahm, & yet many act like Obama is the  truedelphi   Dec-16-09 04:29 PM   #77 
  - Obama has his own mind. And why do you think he picked Rahm anyway?  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 04:57 AM   #144 
  - The rotten is the enemy of the good.  Metta   Dec-16-09 11:31 AM   #29 
  - And the absolutely rotten is the enemy absolutely.  change_notfinetuning   Dec-16-09 12:40 PM   #45 
  - K&R.  Vidar   Dec-16-09 11:43 AM   #34 
  - And if the bill were killed here is what would happen  YewNork   Dec-16-09 12:13 PM   #37 
  - There wouldn't be any trillion dollar bailout of the insurance industry paid for by taxpayers!  Better Believe It   Dec-16-09 12:25 PM   #39 
  - So lets dig our graves even deeper!  ArcticFox   Dec-16-09 01:45 PM   #60 
  - Well  Sherman A1   Dec-16-09 06:22 PM   #89 
  - Don't sit them out. That sends, at best, an unclear message.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:15 AM   #146 
  - Oh, I will most likely vote  Sherman A1   Dec-17-09 06:10 AM   #155 
  - We need to vote  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:25 AM   #176 
  - Maybe, but even worse will happen to the nation and the Party if we pass a POS.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:09 AM   #145 
  - Somebody's getting ready to run for President!!! n/t  galileoreloaded   Dec-16-09 12:17 PM   #38 
  - More like: " Somebody CARES about the American People"...  PassingFair   Dec-16-09 12:26 PM   #40 
  - I worked for him in 2004  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:44 PM   #59 
  - HIGHLY unlikely. (Unfortunately)  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:19 AM   #147 
  - At the least, the mandated insurance clause should be stripped! n/t  dmosh42   Dec-16-09 12:27 PM   #42 
  - I'm so disgusted.  Zoeisright   Dec-16-09 12:30 PM   #43 
  - we can move  rapturedbyrobots   Dec-16-09 01:23 PM   #54 
     - No, WE can't move.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:46 PM   #61 
        - maybe you can't  rapturedbyrobots   Dec-16-09 03:49 PM   #74 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:28 AM   #128 
  - I wish Dean would run against Obama in the 2012 primaries.  totodeinhere   Dec-16-09 12:35 PM   #44 
  - He'd need to run 3rd party.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:48 PM   #62 
  - I wouldn't support a thrid party. But...  totodeinhere   Dec-16-09 02:00 PM   #64 
  - Yes, but in 1980  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 02:18 PM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:34 AM   #129 
  - Hillary is at least as corporate and conservative as Obama, if not more so.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:50 AM   #152 
  - Zactly. nt  Enthusiast   Dec-17-09 09:31 AM   #177 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 11:14 AM   #185 
  - Hillary is as Conservative as Obama. They both push the agenda of the DLC (nt)  NorthCarolina   Dec-17-09 08:35 AM   #168 
  - Yes, Kennedy did that, but he lost the primary and then Carter lost the general to  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:34 AM   #151 
  - President Obama's Press Secretary Robert Gibbs did the Dean/bin Laden flash ad when he was working  bobthedrummer   Dec-16-09 07:01 PM   #91 
  - Yep, especially the DLC, with the help of the media, of course. But Democratic  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 05:28 AM   #149 
  - Mine too  Bushknew   Dec-16-09 03:44 PM   #73 
  - Mine too  MissDeeds   Dec-16-09 04:38 PM   #79 
  - +1 For Dean..  Illuminated   Dec-17-09 09:18 AM   #174 
  - Drop the Health Care "Reform" Bill and start over  Goldstein1984   Dec-16-09 12:47 PM   #48 
  - The bill has no chance of passing now.  neuvocat   Dec-16-09 12:47 PM   #49 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:46 AM   #184 
  - Recommend  xchrom   Dec-16-09 01:17 PM   #52 
  - Thank you, Dr. Dean.  democrank   Dec-16-09 01:26 PM   #55 
  - Pull back the curtain Dean !!!!  harun   Dec-16-09 01:29 PM   #57 
  - It's WAAAYYY past time for him  Le Taz Hot   Dec-16-09 01:49 PM   #63 
  - HOWARD DEAN FOR PRESIDENT. Seriously. We need true leadership, not corporate whoredom. n/t  NoodleyAppendage   Dec-16-09 02:59 PM   #69 
  - Right -- because it's our job to save capitalism from itself, but not our citizens!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-16-09 03:13 PM   #70 
  - K&R  girl_interrupted   Dec-16-09 03:26 PM   #71 
  - The Dr. is always right...  nradisic   Dec-16-09 03:35 PM   #72 
  - Have you checked out the first page of the DFA website lately?  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:06 AM   #154 
  - Those poor old insurance companies need a break more than granny  Hubert Flottz   Dec-16-09 03:49 PM   #75 
  - Thi is from someone w expertise and no strings to lobbyists or corporate interest.  mod mom   Dec-16-09 04:37 PM   #78 
  - K&R for Dean!  MissDeeds   Dec-16-09 04:43 PM   #80 
  - Oh shit.  BobRossi   Dec-16-09 04:51 PM   #81 
  - Howard Dean's motivation...  hgovernick   Dec-16-09 05:07 PM   #82 
  - The Dr. knows what is talking about. And I trust him too.  midnight   Dec-16-09 05:38 PM   #84 
  - SNAP!  RUMMYisFROSTED   Dec-16-09 05:31 PM   #83 
  - Make a bill we can be proud of.....  Hulk   Dec-16-09 06:00 PM   #85 
  - hurt joe petition  julian09   Dec-16-09 07:04 PM   #92 
  - Dean is actually representing "We the people", K & R, and he's  mother earth   Dec-16-09 06:12 PM   #88 
  - Just say no to "Lieberman Health Care Reform"  Canuckistanian   Dec-16-09 07:09 PM   #93 
  - YES! Big Pharma and Big Insurance will get $900 Billion  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 07:33 PM   #94 
  - By 2014 the system will have completely collapsed  lovuian   Dec-16-09 07:53 PM   #96 
  - Why wait until 2014 to rise up? And, if we don't rise up before then, we probably never will.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:04 AM   #153 
  - So what's it gonna take to rid ourselves of our corporate overlords?  Initech   Dec-16-09 08:08 PM   #97 
  - American R E V O L U T I O N eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:55 PM   #101 
  - If Dean runs for the presidency, I guarantee my vote to him...  Bushknew   Dec-16-09 08:11 PM   #98 
  - Yes, I wanted him over the French looking John Kerry eom  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:56 PM   #102 
     - Just a reminder that Kerry voted  Le Taz Hot   Dec-17-09 07:29 AM   #162 
  - Gov. Dean would have made a good President.  Bette Noir   Dec-16-09 08:19 PM   #99 
  - Mainly because he so doggone HONEST  Garam_Masala   Dec-16-09 08:57 PM   #103 
  - Dean's right  gelinas   Dec-16-09 08:43 PM   #100 
  - I watched Dean on Matthews tonite and I applauded Matthews. And even Marcos of Daily Kos was  felinetta   Dec-16-09 08:59 PM   #104 
  - Yet one more reason why we must take money out of political campaigns  reformist   Dec-16-09 08:59 PM   #105 
  - The bill sucks, and the "mandate" that Obama battled Hillary on in the primaries will hurt many. nt  NorthCarolina   Dec-16-09 09:17 PM   #107 
  - can't they just alter the bill to include single payer and pass it before Christmas?  Rosa Luxemburg   Dec-16-09 09:35 PM   #109 
  - obama's okay with this? Interesting... so big Pharma and insurance corporations  nightrain   Dec-16-09 09:39 PM   #110 
  - Mr. President, you fucked up.  lonestarnot   Dec-16-09 09:56 PM   #112 
  - That he did. n/t  deacon   Dec-16-09 10:34 PM   #114 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:37 AM   #130 
  - Obama will go down as another failed president on health care if he signs this travesty.  deacon   Dec-16-09 10:32 PM   #113 
  - K&R - FUCK the Fascist "Individual Mandate"!  New Dawn   Dec-16-09 10:42 PM   #115 
  - The Olberman Position..  Illuminated   Dec-17-09 09:20 AM   #175 
  - KILL THE BILL!  Odin2005   Dec-16-09 10:51 PM   #117 
  - okay we all  mstinamotorcity   Dec-16-09 11:17 PM   #118 
  - Obama is supporting the bill you call a hot piece of shit, but you don't want to blame him?  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:16 AM   #156 
     - No i don't  mstinamotorcity   Dec-17-09 07:44 AM   #164 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:26 AM   #181 
     - Do you really think that..  butterfly77   Dec-17-09 12:29 PM   #190 
  - PASS THE DAMN BILL WITH SINGLE PAYER FIRST...  BanTheGOP   Dec-17-09 01:23 AM   #120 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 02:44 AM   #131 
  - Yes! Yes! Yes!  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:43 AM   #161 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 01:52 AM   #121 
  - glad your posting  mdmc   Dec-17-09 03:54 AM   #134 
  - It's all we can get ONLY if we accept that it is all we can get.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:23 AM   #157 
  - Over 600 posts ago, I was the same way when I ex-pat out of the States  Suji to Seoul   Dec-17-09 04:19 AM   #139 
  - Please see Reply 146.  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:27 AM   #158 
  - Welcome back. n/t  JTFrog   Dec-17-09 05:30 AM   #150 
  - The answer is that they're all  Le Taz Hot   Dec-17-09 07:32 AM   #163 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:22 AM   #179 
        - Wow, you are *so* 'progressive' and 'liberal' and stuff.  ronnie624   Dec-18-09 12:19 AM   #192 
  - CONTACT your Rep and your Senators and tell them that you agree with Dr. Dean and will work  No Elephants   Dec-17-09 06:32 AM   #159 
  - I've been doing that for days now......  icee   Dec-17-09 09:06 AM   #172 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:30 AM   #182 
  - So, did AIG weaken everything so much that what we are REALLY doing here is another Bailout?  patrice   Dec-17-09 08:00 AM   #166 
  - let's call it what it really is: A SCAM  Skittles   Dec-17-09 09:35 AM   #178 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-09 10:39 AM   #183 
 

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