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Sun Dec-13-09 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #86 |
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...and trick means cheat.
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| -AP IMPACT: Science not faked, but not pretty |
UpInArms |
Dec-12-09 08:00 AM |
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I'm sure the corporate media will get right on this |
Cirque du So-What |
Dec-12-09 08:05 AM |
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Yup. Fox is all over this making sure to get the "truthiness" out. |
pattmarty |
Dec-12-09 08:31 AM |
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UM, the AP IS the corporate media |
Rage for Order |
Dec-12-09 11:02 AM |
#27 |
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Yes, AP is corporate media |
Cirque du So-What |
Dec-12-09 12:41 PM |
#31 |
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Maybe you can explain how AP knows when things are... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 03:35 PM |
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LOL, you're a denier, too? I don't recall a more consistent poster. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-09 06:46 AM |
#75 |
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That's because.. |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 11:06 AM |
#81 |
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Calling it "not pretty" is being very kind nt |
LARED |
Dec-12-09 08:10 AM |
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FactCheck.Org has a Non-Hysterical article on this |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 06:39 AM |
#117 |
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Cue the right-wing outrage that the AP is a bunch of Socialists |
Mugweed |
Dec-12-09 08:28 AM |
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Perspective at least |
roesch |
Dec-12-09 08:51 AM |
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Deleted raw data? |
C210N |
Dec-12-09 09:00 AM |
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What "deleted raw data" are you talking about? |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 09:17 AM |
#9 |
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This deleted "data"... |
C210N |
Dec-12-09 09:31 AM |
#11 |
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So you think that was the entire sum of 'raw' data on climate change? |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-12-09 09:41 AM |
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No.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 09:45 AM |
#16 |
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Apparently |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 10:24 AM |
#19 |
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So they've just been stonewalling all this time? |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 03:28 PM |
#37 |
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You keep saying "deletion". The data was not "deleted" |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 06:13 PM |
#48 |
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Thrown out, deleted. The result is the same.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 07:08 PM |
#55 |
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Tossed. Not "deleted" |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 06:50 AM |
#119 |
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Most of what was "tossed" was magnetic media... |
WriteDown |
Dec-14-09 09:18 AM |
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"...at least some of the data..." |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 10:24 AM |
#130 |
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One expert, one data set, and not really deleted |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-12-09 02:49 PM |
#35 |
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See post 37.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 03:29 PM |
#38 |
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So your theory is that 20 years ago somebody conspired |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-12-09 08:25 PM |
#59 |
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Easier questions.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 10:15 PM |
#61 |
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Yep. Pretty much how it happened. |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 07:23 AM |
#120 |
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plenty of data to go around |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 10:57 AM |
#23 |
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I wonder why you got no response to this post? |
Kali |
Dec-12-09 05:27 PM |
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deleted... hmmm.. |
Warren Stupidity |
Dec-12-09 09:20 AM |
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good point. :) |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 12:04 PM |
#30 |
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Understand that the raw data deleted was their working data sets, not the only raw data. |
Gormy Cuss |
Dec-12-09 09:45 AM |
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One commentator claimed that it WAS 'announced' |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 09:16 AM |
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Fake Palin will be pissed. 13 AP staffers found that a lot was faked in her fake book. nt |
onehandle |
Dec-12-09 09:02 AM |
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How do they know this.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 09:34 AM |
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Just like fundies.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 09:35 AM |
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Imagine yourself subjected to a regular stream of BS criticism |
caraher |
Dec-12-09 10:24 AM |
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Its kind of like when people question the existence of Allah.. |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 10:52 AM |
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scientists are human |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 11:02 AM |
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You can be human... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 03:31 PM |
#39 |
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If it is environmental toxins you are worried about, then we are allies on that front |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 06:15 PM |
#49 |
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That was never a scientific consensus, it was a religious one. |
Viking12 |
Dec-12-09 06:22 PM |
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Guess that's why it was started in ancient Greece |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 06:55 PM |
#53 |
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Whether the heliocentric theory originated in Ancient Greece is debatable. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-09 06:27 AM |
#74 |
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Maybe it was more plagiarism than discovery. |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-09 06:10 AM |
#72 |
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You could be right... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 11:05 AM |
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... ah - and how long did the 'discovery' of Cold Fusion last? |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 07:56 AM |
#122 |
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How about geocentrism? |
WriteDown |
Dec-14-09 09:14 AM |
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As you bring the AAAS into this, here is their statement on the affair: |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 07:46 AM |
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gosh, panzerfaust |
Kali |
Dec-14-09 10:48 AM |
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Did some of you folks even read the article? |
beardown |
Dec-12-09 10:17 AM |
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some of these folks don't give 2 figs what the article says |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 10:25 AM |
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thank you for that very well written post |
UpInArms |
Dec-12-09 10:42 AM |
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Its odd that no one tries to put those "cherry-picked" |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 10:58 AM |
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Huh? |
beardown |
Dec-12-09 05:13 PM |
#41 |
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No that is not putting th4m in context... |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 07:04 PM |
#54 |
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Nice example. Looks like you've had lots of practice. |
beardown |
Dec-13-09 09:42 AM |
#78 |
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The challenge extends to you... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 03:25 PM |
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You mean I should read post 54? |
beardown |
Dec-13-09 05:41 PM |
#101 |
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Let's try this... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 06:50 PM |
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The deniers have moved on. |
Igel |
Dec-12-09 10:28 PM |
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really? no one has? did you read the article? |
Viking12 |
Dec-12-09 06:04 PM |
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Read post 54. nt |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 07:12 PM |
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Post #54 doesn't indicate whether you are beavis or butthead. |
Viking12 |
Dec-12-09 07:16 PM |
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I bow to your extremely sound and well thought out argument.. nt |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 09:41 PM |
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I've seen them put into context several times |
quakerboy |
Dec-12-09 07:17 PM |
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Please feel free to cite where they have been put into context. nt |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 10:17 PM |
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Or you could just read threads you have posted in. |
quakerboy |
Dec-13-09 01:10 AM |
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Once again.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 01:13 AM |
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Feel free to think about things |
quakerboy |
Dec-13-09 01:41 AM |
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Deflection. Thank you! nt |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 01:42 AM |
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yes, you are |
quakerboy |
Dec-13-09 04:34 AM |
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Once again.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 11:04 AM |
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There is more than one form of context |
quakerboy |
Dec-13-09 02:48 PM |
#86 |
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Kind of like how Bush's War in Iraq had such a wide context... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 03:23 PM |
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You keep referencing post 54. |
quakerboy |
Dec-13-09 05:25 PM |
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I read your links and not once did anyone try to take |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 06:41 PM |
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i am a scientist.. |
acsmith |
Dec-13-09 04:28 PM |
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No; for instance, "tricks of the trade" |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-13-09 04:43 PM |
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but you implied |
acsmith |
Dec-13-09 04:47 PM |
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Sorry, no-one imposes extra restrictions on how scientists use words |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-13-09 05:58 PM |
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What are the other meanings of "hide?" |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 06:52 PM |
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The meaning of that is fairly clear |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-13-09 07:03 PM |
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No, it was an attempt to cover up data which didn't match |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 07:11 PM |
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Are you claiming that temperatures haven't gone up after 1960? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-13-09 07:35 PM |
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I'm saying that as a scientist.... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 07:36 PM |
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I agree you've got to show that temperatures went up since 1960 |
muriel_volestrangler |
Dec-13-09 07:49 PM |
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If it was good scientists then... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 08:09 PM |
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Some possible explanations |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 09:11 AM |
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cf: Post 125 (vide infra) |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 09:19 AM |
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p.s. |
acsmith |
Dec-13-09 04:48 PM |
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Is cheat the only definition for trick, please don't post until you read this post |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-13-09 05:08 PM |
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you are clearly talking out of your arse. |
acsmith |
Dec-13-09 05:09 PM |
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I just posted other definitions of trick from your own chosen website, |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-13-09 05:12 PM |
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You have anymore definitions for "hide?" |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 06:53 PM |
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Yes here is the definitiion of hide and just for you the definition of context and a couple of |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-14-09 02:28 PM |
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p.s. |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-13-09 05:09 PM |
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If you are a scientist, then why so thoughtless when it comes to language? |
quakerboy |
Dec-13-09 05:16 PM |
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well done for thinking that defnition is the same a meaning |
acsmith |
Dec-13-09 05:21 PM |
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lets try this again. |
quakerboy |
Dec-13-09 05:30 PM |
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In the quoted usage "trick" = "neat," "clever," or "cool" (eg "Tricked Out Car") |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 08:13 AM |
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Well reasoned, well written, well documented. |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 08:04 AM |
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One would think that the greatest critics |
LanternWaste |
Dec-13-09 09:13 AM |
#77 |
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they aren't interested in reality or facts |
Kali |
Dec-12-09 02:17 PM |
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Kind of like our own inquisition.. |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 03:25 PM |
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speaking of tiresome |
Kali |
Dec-12-09 05:24 PM |
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Denialist.. |
WriteDown |
Dec-12-09 06:37 PM |
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I believe in climate change. But hiding or discarding things that don't support your theory is NOT |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-09 06:14 AM |
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We're in the same boat... |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 11:08 AM |
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some light reading for you |
MH1 |
Dec-13-09 01:45 PM |
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Conflicting statements within two paragraphs: |
tabatha |
Dec-12-09 10:59 AM |
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There's a perfectly valid interpretation |
Igel |
Dec-12-09 10:38 PM |
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Excellent post. |
MH1 |
Dec-13-09 01:51 PM |
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"Guinea pigs are mammals and, as such, have four legs..." |
panzerfaust |
Dec-14-09 10:12 AM |
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K&R and bookmarked. |
Soylent Brice |
Dec-12-09 11:17 AM |
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interesting point about the alleged "suppression" angle |
MH1 |
Dec-12-09 11:23 AM |
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I don't believe that they faked the science... |
rayofreason |
Dec-12-09 01:20 PM |
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What evidence would that be? |
Viking12 |
Dec-12-09 06:06 PM |
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Evidence. Hmm... |
rayofreason |
Dec-13-09 08:27 PM |
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LOL. You really need to develop some critical thinking skills. |
Viking12 |
Dec-14-09 06:46 AM |
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Confirmation bias is best countered by independent replication. |
boppers |
Dec-12-09 06:09 PM |
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Perhaps... |
rayofreason |
Dec-14-09 02:18 AM |
#116 |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-12-09 02:24 PM |
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So the RWers, freepers and disruptors are wrong again |
Kingofalldems |
Dec-12-09 05:32 PM |
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Whew! That was close. Thanks, AP. |
Canuckistanian |
Dec-12-09 06:28 PM |
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I don't know what "fake the science" means. |
Igel |
Dec-12-09 10:53 PM |
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Hiding data does not affect "the science?" So, the Church's wanting to silence Galileo, Newton |
No Elephants |
Dec-13-09 05:55 AM |
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No data was hidden ... WTF are you on about? |
MH1 |
Dec-13-09 07:38 AM |
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None of the e-mails support the idea that they actually went ahead with this. |
FVZA_Colonel |
Dec-13-09 03:52 PM |
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Went ahead with what? |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 06:56 PM |
#107 |
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Be careful.. |
WriteDown |
Dec-13-09 11:12 AM |
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That they are being forced to acknowledge this |
JonQ |
Dec-13-09 07:26 PM |
#110 |
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