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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-12-09 11:02 AM
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27. UM, the AP IS the corporate media
But hey, a few reporters from the AP said the science is good, so it must be so. Maybe later we can have scientists determine how good the journalism is at the AP.

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  -AP IMPACT: Science not faked, but not pretty UpInArms  Dec-12-09 08:00 AM   #0 
  - I'm sure the corporate media will get right on this  Cirque du So-What   Dec-12-09 08:05 AM   #1 
  - Yup. Fox is all over this making sure to get the "truthiness" out.  pattmarty   Dec-12-09 08:31 AM   #4 
  - UM, the AP IS the corporate media  Rage for Order   Dec-12-09 11:02 AM   #27 
     - Yes, AP is corporate media  Cirque du So-What   Dec-12-09 12:41 PM   #31 
        - Maybe you can explain how AP knows when things are...  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 03:35 PM   #40 
           - LOL, you're a denier, too? I don't recall a more consistent poster.  No Elephants   Dec-13-09 06:46 AM   #75 
              - That's because..  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 11:06 AM   #81 
  - Calling it "not pretty" is being very kind nt  LARED   Dec-12-09 08:10 AM   #2 
  - FactCheck.Org has a Non-Hysterical article on this  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 06:39 AM   #117 
  - Cue the right-wing outrage that the AP is a bunch of Socialists  Mugweed   Dec-12-09 08:28 AM   #3 
  - Perspective at least  roesch   Dec-12-09 08:51 AM   #5 
     - Deleted raw data?  C210N   Dec-12-09 09:00 AM   #6 
     - What "deleted raw data" are you talking about?  MH1   Dec-12-09 09:17 AM   #9 
     - This deleted "data"...  C210N   Dec-12-09 09:31 AM   #11 
        - So you think that was the entire sum of 'raw' data on climate change?  Warren Stupidity   Dec-12-09 09:41 AM   #14 
        - No....  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 09:45 AM   #16 
           - Apparently  MH1   Dec-12-09 10:24 AM   #19 
           - So they've just been stonewalling all this time?  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 03:28 PM   #37 
              - You keep saying "deletion". The data was not "deleted"  MH1   Dec-12-09 06:13 PM   #48 
                 - Thrown out, deleted. The result is the same....  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 07:08 PM   #55 
                 - Tossed. Not "deleted"  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 06:50 AM   #119 
                    - Most of what was "tossed" was magnetic media...  WriteDown   Dec-14-09 09:18 AM   #127 
                       - "...at least some of the data..."  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 10:24 AM   #130 
           - One expert, one data set, and not really deleted  Warren Stupidity   Dec-12-09 02:49 PM   #35 
              - See post 37....  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 03:29 PM   #38 
                 - So your theory is that 20 years ago somebody conspired  Warren Stupidity   Dec-12-09 08:25 PM   #59 
                    - Easier questions....  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 10:15 PM   #61 
                    - Yep. Pretty much how it happened.  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 07:23 AM   #120 
        - plenty of data to go around  MH1   Dec-12-09 10:57 AM   #23 
           - I wonder why you got no response to this post?  Kali   Dec-12-09 05:27 PM   #43 
     - deleted... hmmm..  Warren Stupidity   Dec-12-09 09:20 AM   #10 
     - good point. :)  MH1   Dec-12-09 12:04 PM   #30 
     - Understand that the raw data deleted was their working data sets, not the only raw data.  Gormy Cuss   Dec-12-09 09:45 AM   #15 
     - One commentator claimed that it WAS 'announced'  MH1   Dec-12-09 09:16 AM   #8 
  - Fake Palin will be pissed. 13 AP staffers found that a lot was faked in her fake book. nt  onehandle   Dec-12-09 09:02 AM   #7 
  - How do they know this....  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 09:34 AM   #12 
  - Just like fundies....  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 09:35 AM   #13 
  - Imagine yourself subjected to a regular stream of BS criticism  caraher   Dec-12-09 10:24 AM   #18 
  - Its kind of like when people question the existence of Allah..  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 10:52 AM   #22 
     - scientists are human  MH1   Dec-12-09 11:02 AM   #26 
     - You can be human...  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 03:31 PM   #39 
        - If it is environmental toxins you are worried about, then we are allies on that front  MH1   Dec-12-09 06:15 PM   #49 
        - That was never a scientific consensus, it was a religious one.  Viking12   Dec-12-09 06:22 PM   #50 
           - Guess that's why it was started in ancient Greece  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 06:55 PM   #53 
           - Whether the heliocentric theory originated in Ancient Greece is debatable.  No Elephants   Dec-13-09 06:27 AM   #74 
           - Maybe it was more plagiarism than discovery.  No Elephants   Dec-13-09 06:10 AM   #72 
              - You could be right...  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 11:05 AM   #80 
     - ... ah - and how long did the 'discovery' of Cold Fusion last?  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 07:56 AM   #122 
        - How about geocentrism?  WriteDown   Dec-14-09 09:14 AM   #126 
  - As you bring the AAAS into this, here is their statement on the affair:  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 07:46 AM   #121 
     - gosh, panzerfaust  Kali   Dec-14-09 10:48 AM   #131 
  - Did some of you folks even read the article?  beardown   Dec-12-09 10:17 AM   #17 
  - some of these folks don't give 2 figs what the article says  MH1   Dec-12-09 10:25 AM   #20 
  - thank you for that very well written post  UpInArms   Dec-12-09 10:42 AM   #21 
  - Its odd that no one tries to put those "cherry-picked"  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 10:58 AM   #24 
  - Huh?  beardown   Dec-12-09 05:13 PM   #41 
  - No that is not putting th4m in context...  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 07:04 PM   #54 
  - Nice example. Looks like you've had lots of practice.  beardown   Dec-13-09 09:42 AM   #78 
     - The challenge extends to you...  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 03:25 PM   #88 
        - You mean I should read post 54?  beardown   Dec-13-09 05:41 PM   #101 
           - Let's try this...  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 06:50 PM   #104 
  - The deniers have moved on.  Igel   Dec-12-09 10:28 PM   #63 
  - really? no one has? did you read the article?  Viking12   Dec-12-09 06:04 PM   #45 
  - Read post 54. nt  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 07:12 PM   #56 
     - Post #54 doesn't indicate whether you are beavis or butthead.  Viking12   Dec-12-09 07:16 PM   #57 
        - I bow to your extremely sound and well thought out argument.. nt  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 09:41 PM   #60 
  - I've seen them put into context several times  quakerboy   Dec-12-09 07:17 PM   #58 
  - Please feel free to cite where they have been put into context. nt  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 10:17 PM   #62 
     - Or you could just read threads you have posted in.  quakerboy   Dec-13-09 01:10 AM   #66 
        - Once again....  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 01:13 AM   #67 
           - Feel free to think about things  quakerboy   Dec-13-09 01:41 AM   #68 
              - Deflection. Thank you! nt  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 01:42 AM   #69 
                 - yes, you are  quakerboy   Dec-13-09 04:34 AM   #70 
                    - Once again....  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 11:04 AM   #79 
                       - There is more than one form of context  quakerboy   Dec-13-09 02:48 PM   #86 
                          - Kind of like how Bush's War in Iraq had such a wide context...  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 03:23 PM   #87 
                          - You keep referencing post 54.  quakerboy   Dec-13-09 05:25 PM   #99 
                             - I read your links and not once did anyone try to take  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 06:41 PM   #103 
                          - i am a scientist..  acsmith   Dec-13-09 04:28 PM   #90 
                          - No; for instance, "tricks of the trade"  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-13-09 04:43 PM   #91 
                          - but you implied  acsmith   Dec-13-09 04:47 PM   #92 
                          - Sorry, no-one imposes extra restrictions on how scientists use words  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-13-09 05:58 PM   #102 
                             - What are the other meanings of "hide?"  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 06:52 PM   #105 
                                - The meaning of that is fairly clear  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-13-09 07:03 PM   #108 
                                - No, it was an attempt to cover up data which didn't match  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 07:11 PM   #109 
                                - Are you claiming that temperatures haven't gone up after 1960?  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-13-09 07:35 PM   #111 
                                - I'm saying that as a scientist....  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 07:36 PM   #112 
                                - I agree you've got to show that temperatures went up since 1960  muriel_volestrangler   Dec-13-09 07:49 PM   #113 
                                - If it was good scientists then...  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 08:09 PM   #114 
                                - Some possible explanations  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 09:11 AM   #125 
                                - cf: Post 125 (vide infra)  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 09:19 AM   #128 
                          - p.s.  acsmith   Dec-13-09 04:48 PM   #93 
                             - Is cheat the only definition for trick, please don't post until you read this post  Uncle Joe   Dec-13-09 05:08 PM   #94 
                             - you are clearly talking out of your arse.  acsmith   Dec-13-09 05:09 PM   # 
                                - I just posted other definitions of trick from your own chosen website,  Uncle Joe   Dec-13-09 05:12 PM   #96 
                                   - You have anymore definitions for "hide?"  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 06:53 PM   #106 
                                      - Yes here is the definitiion of hide and just for you the definition of context and a couple of  Uncle Joe   Dec-14-09 02:28 PM   #132 
                             - p.s.  Uncle Joe   Dec-13-09 05:09 PM   #95 
                          - If you are a scientist, then why so thoughtless when it comes to language?  quakerboy   Dec-13-09 05:16 PM   #97 
                          - well done for thinking that defnition is the same a meaning  acsmith   Dec-13-09 05:21 PM   #98 
                             - lets try this again.  quakerboy   Dec-13-09 05:30 PM   #100 
                          - In the quoted usage "trick" = "neat," "clever," or "cool" (eg "Tricked Out Car")  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 08:13 AM   #124 
                          - Well reasoned, well written, well documented.  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 08:04 AM   #123 
  - One would think that the greatest critics  LanternWaste   Dec-13-09 09:13 AM   #77 
  - they aren't interested in reality or facts  Kali   Dec-12-09 02:17 PM   #33 
  - Kind of like our own inquisition..  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 03:25 PM   #36 
     - speaking of tiresome  Kali   Dec-12-09 05:24 PM   #42 
        - Denialist..  WriteDown   Dec-12-09 06:37 PM   #52 
  - I believe in climate change. But hiding or discarding things that don't support your theory is NOT  No Elephants   Dec-13-09 06:14 AM   #73 
     - We're in the same boat...  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 11:08 AM   #82 
     - some light reading for you  MH1   Dec-13-09 01:45 PM   #84 
  - Conflicting statements within two paragraphs:  tabatha   Dec-12-09 10:59 AM   #25 
  - There's a perfectly valid interpretation  Igel   Dec-12-09 10:38 PM   #64 
     - Excellent post.  MH1   Dec-13-09 01:51 PM   #85 
     - "Guinea pigs are mammals and, as such, have four legs..."  panzerfaust   Dec-14-09 10:12 AM   #129 
  - K&R and bookmarked.  Soylent Brice   Dec-12-09 11:17 AM   #28 
  - interesting point about the alleged "suppression" angle  MH1   Dec-12-09 11:23 AM   #29 
  - I don't believe that they faked the science...  rayofreason   Dec-12-09 01:20 PM   #32 
  - What evidence would that be?  Viking12   Dec-12-09 06:06 PM   #46 
  - Evidence. Hmm...  rayofreason   Dec-13-09 08:27 PM   #115 
     - LOL. You really need to develop some critical thinking skills.  Viking12   Dec-14-09 06:46 AM   #118 
  - Confirmation bias is best countered by independent replication.  boppers   Dec-12-09 06:09 PM   #47 
     - Perhaps...  rayofreason   Dec-14-09 02:18 AM   #116 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Dec-12-09 02:24 PM   #34 
  - So the RWers, freepers and disruptors are wrong again  Kingofalldems   Dec-12-09 05:32 PM   #44 
  - Whew! That was close. Thanks, AP.  Canuckistanian   Dec-12-09 06:28 PM   #51 
  - I don't know what "fake the science" means.  Igel   Dec-12-09 10:53 PM   #65 
  - Hiding data does not affect "the science?" So, the Church's wanting to silence Galileo, Newton  No Elephants   Dec-13-09 05:55 AM   #71 
  - No data was hidden ... WTF are you on about?  MH1   Dec-13-09 07:38 AM   #76 
  - None of the e-mails support the idea that they actually went ahead with this.  FVZA_Colonel   Dec-13-09 03:52 PM   #89 
     - Went ahead with what?  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 06:56 PM   #107 
  - Be careful..  WriteDown   Dec-13-09 11:12 AM   #83 
  - That they are being forced to acknowledge this  JonQ   Dec-13-09 07:26 PM   #110 
 

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