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Sat Dec-05-09 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #111 |
| 123. Don't Forget Handsome |
| -PG&E gets OK for space-based solar project |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:13 PM |
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Longer article at the NY Times |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:25 PM |
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This guy has had a GREAT PR Agency - been making these announcements for 5 years... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:35 PM |
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Getting a Power Purchase Agreement is a major milestone for any project. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 05:51 PM |
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The cash stream is only guaranteed IF he produces power... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:40 PM |
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That is exactly right. If and only IF they produce power. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 08:55 PM |
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That is the key point. |
Statistical |
Dec-04-09 10:28 AM |
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That isn't correct. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:27 AM |
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I guess I wasn't clear. |
Statistical |
Dec-04-09 11:42 AM |
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Well put. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:52 AM |
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It does :) Proud to live here! k & r. nt |
t0dd |
Dec-03-09 04:28 PM |
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As much as I'd like for this idea to work, I just don't see how |
groundloop |
Dec-03-09 04:35 PM |
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NASA has studied this extensively |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:42 PM |
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X Prise Foundation thinks is may be possible |
liberal N proud |
Dec-03-09 05:05 PM |
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Oh It's definetilt possible - just not by Soleron |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:27 PM |
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The idea is to build the rectanna large enough so the watt per square inch is low. |
Statistical |
Dec-04-09 10:32 AM |
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Do a Google on 'Solaren Corp'... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 04:39 PM |
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PG&E isn't giving away any money |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:54 PM |
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Actually quite a few million has been promised ... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:02 PM |
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THE CEO CONTRIBUTED TO THE SWIFT BOAT VETERANS CAMPAIGN.... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:16 PM |
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oh gee $100 |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 05:19 PM |
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Open you mind. This is not a war between you and I.... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:27 PM |
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Open your mind |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 05:59 PM |
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Open your heart... |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 08:06 PM |
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Your "evaluation" sucks. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 06:07 PM |
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Ummm... Thanks for your ... informed ... opinion. |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:33 PM |
#44 |
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I'd rather have the discussion in public, but thank you. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 08:43 PM |
#47 |
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Why Is The Possibility That This Might Be A Scam So Hard To Believe? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 10:01 AM |
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It is a smear campaign, not substantive criticism. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:23 AM |
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I Don't See Her Accusations As Baseless |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 11:29 AM |
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Totally baseless. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:39 AM |
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Meh, Not That Impressed W/ This |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 11:45 AM |
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It could be a scam, any investment COULD be a scam. But Technogirl's claims are baseless. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:55 AM |
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Your Claims Are Just As Baseless |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:00 PM |
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What "large power conglomerate"? |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:19 PM |
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You Claim TG Has Some Personal Agenda |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:24 PM |
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It isn't "healthy skepticism" it is a smear campaign. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:25 PM |
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LOL! Thank You Mr. Webster! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:30 PM |
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Some things are self evident. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:35 PM |
#93 |
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Oh, Indeed They Are, You're Taking This Very Personally |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:37 PM |
#96 |
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I don't like liars. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:38 PM |
#99 |
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Oh, You Are So Noble! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:40 PM |
#101 |
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I do have high ethical standards and an excellent education |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:45 PM |
#105 |
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And You're Very Humble |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:48 PM |
#108 |
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Not particularly. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 05:22 PM |
#111 |
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Don't Forget Handsome |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 09:42 AM |
#123 |
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"Their website looks like it was made by a twelve year old."? |
boppers |
Dec-05-09 01:55 AM |
#118 |
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Those are totally false claims. "nuff said". |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 12:53 PM |
#127 |
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Sounds like it's for proof of concept. |
MilesColtrane |
Dec-03-09 05:02 PM |
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Wow! |
Robb |
Dec-03-09 05:08 PM |
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Aha! Here's the Scam - PG&E Gets to count this as it's "Renewable Energy Quota" |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:24 PM |
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Nope |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 05:28 PM |
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It's a scam - pure and simple |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:31 PM |
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It is a very workable idea... |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-03-09 05:56 PM |
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I agree on both counts! |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:14 PM |
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Oh, the company.... |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-04-09 02:41 AM |
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There's a link to their patent in the NYT article upthread. nt |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 06:02 PM |
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Have you looked at it? |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:16 PM |
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Yes, I looked at it earlier this year |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 09:44 PM |
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Well he's had 5 years now... Has he answered... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 09:56 PM |
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Only if it actually generates energy. |
David__77 |
Dec-03-09 06:18 PM |
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Damn, You May Be On To Something |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 09:54 AM |
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Regulators are allowing PG&E to BUY POWER from the solar station |
Statistical |
Dec-05-09 09:38 AM |
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? What are they going to do? Microwave everyone in fresno? |
Piewhacket |
Dec-03-09 05:30 PM |
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I do wonder why they feel the need to invest in space based solar when the U.S. |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-03-09 05:37 PM |
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Because it's cheaper to throw away a few million into a PR campaign ... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:39 PM |
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there's investment out there too: |
Soylent Brice |
Dec-03-09 05:44 PM |
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Because there is ZERO infrastructure to transmit that energy to the rest of the country. |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 05:58 PM |
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We do need a smart grid, but the more I think about it, space based solar could have one advantage |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-03-09 06:13 PM |
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Well, not really gonna help in that regard for now. You don't use a matchstick to heat a house. |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 07:52 PM |
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Edit period has passed, so I'll post my edit as a reply: |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 08:54 PM |
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That's really an amazing analysis... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 10:12 PM |
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What the hell is that supposed to mean and why are you attacking me? |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 11:36 PM |
#54 |
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Your understanding of the energy resource potential is flawed |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:35 AM |
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Your understanding of what I posted is flawed |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-04-09 10:30 PM |
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Not really. |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 01:04 AM |
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Fair enough, and thank you for NOT just copy/pasting a summary to a report |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-05-09 01:31 AM |
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The nuclear picture is bleak worldwide because of costs. |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 01:57 AM |
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Trasmitting electricity over long distances is very inefficient |
JonQ |
Dec-04-09 11:54 AM |
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Seems like it would be cheaper to have people install solar panels on their homes. |
Arctic Dave |
Dec-03-09 06:04 PM |
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Well... Solar does not provide enough wattage.... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:22 PM |
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I beg to differ, with a caveat. |
boppers |
Dec-05-09 10:35 PM |
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Looks cool, hope it's real |
cowcommander |
Dec-03-09 06:18 PM |
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It's not real - just hype |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:18 PM |
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Isn't all solar energy technically space-based? |
AngryAmish |
Dec-03-09 06:27 PM |
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Well, Ceiling Cat can... |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 07:59 PM |
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Why would you do space-based solar when... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-03-09 08:20 PM |
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Well Space based solar is actually a LOT more efficient... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:27 PM |
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Yeah, I read the part about the advantages... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-03-09 08:32 PM |
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Hugely expensive 2 get the kind of generation we nd; insufficient power grid 2 transmit the energy |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 08:41 PM |
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Japan is planning a 1GW system by 2030 |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 10:09 PM |
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Sweet! |
Odin2005 |
Dec-04-09 08:19 AM |
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See Techno Girl's Posts |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 09:55 AM |
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Why, her posts are nothing but sleazy, unfounded smears by someone with an agenda. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:41 AM |
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Says You |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 11:47 AM |
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Then list a single substantive criticism by her. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:58 AM |
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Well, She Hasn't Convinced Me, But Neither Have You |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:03 PM |
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"Please post a substantive criticism made by technogirl." You can't can you? |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:15 PM |
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Yes, I Have An Agenda, I'm An Evil Smear Merchant Because I Distrust Energy Companies |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:20 PM |
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What large energy conglomerate is involved? |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:22 PM |
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Enron Is Perfectly Relevant |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:27 PM |
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Enron is only relevant if you want to attempt to smear a totally different process |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:30 PM |
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Well, I'm Sure The "Process" Is Completely Uncorruptible And Totally Fair And Has Everyone's Best |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:32 PM |
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Again, a smear based on insinuation and an attempt... |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:36 PM |
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You're Taking This Very Personally |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:38 PM |
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I don't like right wing liars. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:39 PM |
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Oh, So Now There's A Right Wing Liar Involved??? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:40 PM |
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More like fossil fuel/nuclear PR companies trying to derail renewable enegy initiatives |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:43 PM |
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You Know What Would Be A Really Sneaky Way To Do That? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:47 PM |
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We have regulators that have evaluated the proposal and found it to have merit. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 05:27 PM |
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But yr Anonymous postings are much more trustworthy! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 09:46 AM |
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The facts I offer are easy to verify - just look up the process for granting a PPA |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 12:55 PM |
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Doesn't Mean A Thing |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 05:23 PM |
#130 |
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Note for record that you have not listed any valid criticisms that were offered by TG. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:24 PM |
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Valid? According To You? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:29 PM |
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Baseless. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:34 PM |
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LOL! Again, You're Just As Persuasive As She Is! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:35 PM |
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Answer the reponses. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:38 PM |
#97 |
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I Demand You Answer My Reponses!! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:41 PM |
#103 |
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Answer the reponses. You claim her assertions have a foundation - I showed they didn't |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:46 PM |
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I Said They're Not Baseless |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:50 PM |
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"flimsy base" = baseless |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 05:28 PM |
#113 |
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Not impressed |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 09:43 AM |
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Of course you aren't/ |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 12:55 PM |
#129 |
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Tell That To My Shoe |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 05:24 PM |
#131 |
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How will the "Receiving Station" receive the energy? |
fascisthunter |
Dec-04-09 10:42 AM |
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I don't know about this one |
JonQ |
Dec-04-09 11:56 AM |
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interesting... sounds dangerous |
fascisthunter |
Dec-04-09 12:34 PM |
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Possibly |
JonQ |
Dec-04-09 12:57 PM |
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Not dangerous. |
Statistical |
Dec-05-09 09:33 AM |
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near existing transmission lines and dual purpose communications relay |
BrightKnight |
Dec-04-09 06:12 PM |
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Might as well put giant mirrors into space and direct them at Earth |
tinrobot |
Dec-05-09 02:04 AM |
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rectenna is about 85% efficient, produces less waste heat than virtually any other form of power. |
Statistical |
Dec-05-09 10:00 AM |
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And carbon dioxide is a trace gas so we can ignore its concentration? |
kristopher |
Dec-06-09 01:32 PM |
#133 |
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No that is foolish analogy. |
Statistical |
Dec-06-09 10:58 PM |
#134 |
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I understand the argument |
kristopher |
Dec-07-09 02:58 PM |
#135 |
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