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Fri Dec-04-09 11:52 AM
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But I would still disagree to a point.
"However a SBPS has other risks (conceptual risk, lifting costs risk, experimental risk)."
True.
"So SBPS project will be riskier than other powerplants."
Not necessarily. That is an evaluation that would have to be made on a case by case basis with other proposals.
Is it a riskier investment than a solar or wild facility? Yes, undoubtedly.
Is it riskier investment than a nuclear plant with or without government guarantees and liability assumption? I doubt it.
$10-12 billion nuclear plants traditionally have extremely large risks remaining even after the government mitigates the worst of those risks; massive cost over runs, large percentage of failures well into construction, and potential catastrophic accident losses are all associated with nuclear.
As I said, well put; I just thought that needed a bit of clarification.
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| -PG&E gets OK for space-based solar project |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:13 PM |
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Longer article at the NY Times |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:25 PM |
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This guy has had a GREAT PR Agency - been making these announcements for 5 years... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:35 PM |
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Getting a Power Purchase Agreement is a major milestone for any project. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 05:51 PM |
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The cash stream is only guaranteed IF he produces power... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:40 PM |
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That is exactly right. If and only IF they produce power. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 08:55 PM |
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That is the key point. |
Statistical |
Dec-04-09 10:28 AM |
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That isn't correct. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:27 AM |
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I guess I wasn't clear. |
Statistical |
Dec-04-09 11:42 AM |
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Well put. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:52 AM |
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It does :) Proud to live here! k & r. nt |
t0dd |
Dec-03-09 04:28 PM |
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As much as I'd like for this idea to work, I just don't see how |
groundloop |
Dec-03-09 04:35 PM |
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NASA has studied this extensively |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:42 PM |
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X Prise Foundation thinks is may be possible |
liberal N proud |
Dec-03-09 05:05 PM |
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Oh It's definetilt possible - just not by Soleron |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:27 PM |
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The idea is to build the rectanna large enough so the watt per square inch is low. |
Statistical |
Dec-04-09 10:32 AM |
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Do a Google on 'Solaren Corp'... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 04:39 PM |
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PG&E isn't giving away any money |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 04:54 PM |
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Actually quite a few million has been promised ... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:02 PM |
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THE CEO CONTRIBUTED TO THE SWIFT BOAT VETERANS CAMPAIGN.... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:16 PM |
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oh gee $100 |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 05:19 PM |
#12 |
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Open you mind. This is not a war between you and I.... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:27 PM |
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Open your mind |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 05:59 PM |
#26 |
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Open your heart... |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 08:06 PM |
#36 |
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Your "evaluation" sucks. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 06:07 PM |
#29 |
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Ummm... Thanks for your ... informed ... opinion. |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:33 PM |
#44 |
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I'd rather have the discussion in public, but thank you. |
kristopher |
Dec-03-09 08:43 PM |
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Why Is The Possibility That This Might Be A Scam So Hard To Believe? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 10:01 AM |
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It is a smear campaign, not substantive criticism. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:23 AM |
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I Don't See Her Accusations As Baseless |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 11:29 AM |
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Totally baseless. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:39 AM |
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Meh, Not That Impressed W/ This |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 11:45 AM |
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It could be a scam, any investment COULD be a scam. But Technogirl's claims are baseless. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:55 AM |
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Your Claims Are Just As Baseless |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:00 PM |
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What "large power conglomerate"? |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:19 PM |
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You Claim TG Has Some Personal Agenda |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:24 PM |
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It isn't "healthy skepticism" it is a smear campaign. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:25 PM |
#85 |
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LOL! Thank You Mr. Webster! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:30 PM |
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Some things are self evident. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:35 PM |
#93 |
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Oh, Indeed They Are, You're Taking This Very Personally |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:37 PM |
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I don't like liars. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:38 PM |
#99 |
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Oh, You Are So Noble! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:40 PM |
#101 |
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I do have high ethical standards and an excellent education |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:45 PM |
#105 |
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And You're Very Humble |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:48 PM |
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Not particularly. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 05:22 PM |
#111 |
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Don't Forget Handsome |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 09:42 AM |
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"Their website looks like it was made by a twelve year old."? |
boppers |
Dec-05-09 01:55 AM |
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Those are totally false claims. "nuff said". |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 12:53 PM |
#127 |
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Sounds like it's for proof of concept. |
MilesColtrane |
Dec-03-09 05:02 PM |
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Wow! |
Robb |
Dec-03-09 05:08 PM |
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Aha! Here's the Scam - PG&E Gets to count this as it's "Renewable Energy Quota" |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:24 PM |
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Nope |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 05:28 PM |
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It's a scam - pure and simple |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:31 PM |
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It is a very workable idea... |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-03-09 05:56 PM |
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I agree on both counts! |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:14 PM |
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Oh, the company.... |
and-justice-for-all |
Dec-04-09 02:41 AM |
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There's a link to their patent in the NYT article upthread. nt |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 06:02 PM |
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Have you looked at it? |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:16 PM |
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Yes, I looked at it earlier this year |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 09:44 PM |
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Well he's had 5 years now... Has he answered... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 09:56 PM |
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Only if it actually generates energy. |
David__77 |
Dec-03-09 06:18 PM |
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Damn, You May Be On To Something |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 09:54 AM |
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Regulators are allowing PG&E to BUY POWER from the solar station |
Statistical |
Dec-05-09 09:38 AM |
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? What are they going to do? Microwave everyone in fresno? |
Piewhacket |
Dec-03-09 05:30 PM |
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I do wonder why they feel the need to invest in space based solar when the U.S. |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-03-09 05:37 PM |
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Because it's cheaper to throw away a few million into a PR campaign ... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 05:39 PM |
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there's investment out there too: |
Soylent Brice |
Dec-03-09 05:44 PM |
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Because there is ZERO infrastructure to transmit that energy to the rest of the country. |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 05:58 PM |
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We do need a smart grid, but the more I think about it, space based solar could have one advantage |
Uncle Joe |
Dec-03-09 06:13 PM |
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Well, not really gonna help in that regard for now. You don't use a matchstick to heat a house. |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 07:52 PM |
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Edit period has passed, so I'll post my edit as a reply: |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 08:54 PM |
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That's really an amazing analysis... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 10:12 PM |
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What the hell is that supposed to mean and why are you attacking me? |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 11:36 PM |
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Your understanding of the energy resource potential is flawed |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:35 AM |
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Your understanding of what I posted is flawed |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-04-09 10:30 PM |
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Not really. |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 01:04 AM |
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Fair enough, and thank you for NOT just copy/pasting a summary to a report |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-05-09 01:31 AM |
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The nuclear picture is bleak worldwide because of costs. |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 01:57 AM |
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Trasmitting electricity over long distances is very inefficient |
JonQ |
Dec-04-09 11:54 AM |
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Seems like it would be cheaper to have people install solar panels on their homes. |
Arctic Dave |
Dec-03-09 06:04 PM |
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Well... Solar does not provide enough wattage.... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:22 PM |
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I beg to differ, with a caveat. |
boppers |
Dec-05-09 10:35 PM |
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Looks cool, hope it's real |
cowcommander |
Dec-03-09 06:18 PM |
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It's not real - just hype |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:18 PM |
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Isn't all solar energy technically space-based? |
AngryAmish |
Dec-03-09 06:27 PM |
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Well, Ceiling Cat can... |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 07:59 PM |
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Why would you do space-based solar when... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-03-09 08:20 PM |
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Well Space based solar is actually a LOT more efficient... |
Techn0Girl |
Dec-03-09 08:27 PM |
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Yeah, I read the part about the advantages... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-03-09 08:32 PM |
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Hugely expensive 2 get the kind of generation we nd; insufficient power grid 2 transmit the energy |
DRoseDARs |
Dec-03-09 08:41 PM |
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Japan is planning a 1GW system by 2030 |
bananas |
Dec-03-09 10:09 PM |
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Sweet! |
Odin2005 |
Dec-04-09 08:19 AM |
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See Techno Girl's Posts |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 09:55 AM |
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Why, her posts are nothing but sleazy, unfounded smears by someone with an agenda. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:41 AM |
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Says You |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 11:47 AM |
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Then list a single substantive criticism by her. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 11:58 AM |
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Well, She Hasn't Convinced Me, But Neither Have You |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:03 PM |
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"Please post a substantive criticism made by technogirl." You can't can you? |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:15 PM |
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Yes, I Have An Agenda, I'm An Evil Smear Merchant Because I Distrust Energy Companies |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:20 PM |
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What large energy conglomerate is involved? |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:22 PM |
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Enron Is Perfectly Relevant |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:27 PM |
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Enron is only relevant if you want to attempt to smear a totally different process |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:30 PM |
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Well, I'm Sure The "Process" Is Completely Uncorruptible And Totally Fair And Has Everyone's Best |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:32 PM |
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Again, a smear based on insinuation and an attempt... |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:36 PM |
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You're Taking This Very Personally |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:38 PM |
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I don't like right wing liars. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:39 PM |
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Oh, So Now There's A Right Wing Liar Involved??? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:40 PM |
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More like fossil fuel/nuclear PR companies trying to derail renewable enegy initiatives |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:43 PM |
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You Know What Would Be A Really Sneaky Way To Do That? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:47 PM |
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We have regulators that have evaluated the proposal and found it to have merit. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 05:27 PM |
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But yr Anonymous postings are much more trustworthy! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 09:46 AM |
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The facts I offer are easy to verify - just look up the process for granting a PPA |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 12:55 PM |
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Doesn't Mean A Thing |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 05:23 PM |
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Note for record that you have not listed any valid criticisms that were offered by TG. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:24 PM |
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Valid? According To You? |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:29 PM |
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Baseless. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:34 PM |
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LOL! Again, You're Just As Persuasive As She Is! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:35 PM |
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Answer the reponses. |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:38 PM |
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I Demand You Answer My Reponses!! |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:41 PM |
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Answer the reponses. You claim her assertions have a foundation - I showed they didn't |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 12:46 PM |
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I Said They're Not Baseless |
Beetwasher |
Dec-04-09 12:50 PM |
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"flimsy base" = baseless |
kristopher |
Dec-04-09 05:28 PM |
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Not impressed |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 09:43 AM |
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Of course you aren't/ |
kristopher |
Dec-05-09 12:55 PM |
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Tell That To My Shoe |
Beetwasher |
Dec-05-09 05:24 PM |
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How will the "Receiving Station" receive the energy? |
fascisthunter |
Dec-04-09 10:42 AM |
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I don't know about this one |
JonQ |
Dec-04-09 11:56 AM |
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interesting... sounds dangerous |
fascisthunter |
Dec-04-09 12:34 PM |
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Possibly |
JonQ |
Dec-04-09 12:57 PM |
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Not dangerous. |
Statistical |
Dec-05-09 09:33 AM |
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near existing transmission lines and dual purpose communications relay |
BrightKnight |
Dec-04-09 06:12 PM |
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Might as well put giant mirrors into space and direct them at Earth |
tinrobot |
Dec-05-09 02:04 AM |
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rectenna is about 85% efficient, produces less waste heat than virtually any other form of power. |
Statistical |
Dec-05-09 10:00 AM |
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And carbon dioxide is a trace gas so we can ignore its concentration? |
kristopher |
Dec-06-09 01:32 PM |
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No that is foolish analogy. |
Statistical |
Dec-06-09 10:58 PM |
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I understand the argument |
kristopher |
Dec-07-09 02:58 PM |
#135 |
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