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Response to Reply #55
252. you aren't honest... so there is no "us"
Edited on Sun Nov-29-09 12:19 PM by fascisthunter
especially when it comes to the well being of the human race, you obviously don't care about.
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  -Hacked climate emails called a "smear campaign" TomCADem  Nov-28-09 01:18 PM   #0 
  - What should we expect them to say...  Andronex   Nov-28-09 01:49 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-28-09 01:56 PM   #2 
  - End justifies the means, I suppose  cowcommander   Nov-28-09 02:03 PM   #3 
  - not as shady as the propaganda that global warming deniers spread online  fascisthunter   Nov-28-09 02:54 PM   #12 
     - And if the emails were from...  Syntheto   Nov-28-09 03:16 PM   #18 
     - That's different, anyone who denies global warming is evil  JonQ   Nov-28-09 04:45 PM   #48 
     - Too funny!  GMA   Nov-28-09 05:55 PM   #60 
     - Funny, but sad also  JonQ   Nov-28-09 06:29 PM   #78 
     - Well, that's actually the problem...  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 10:17 PM   #145 
     - It is a theory that must be proven  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:09 AM   #234 
     - Yes, you are a martyr  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:39 PM   #153 
        - Ooo! Oooo! Me! Pick me!  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 10:49 PM   #159 
        - Yep.  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 11:17 PM   #171 
           - what's a "cretinist"?  demwing   Nov-29-09 10:54 AM   #232 
        - You don't understand  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:14 AM   #235 
           - I understand perfectly.  Birthmark   Nov-30-09 04:11 AM   #336 
     - Climate change is a scam?  me b zola   Nov-28-09 08:37 PM   #130 
     - Global Warming exists! There is incontroverible Proof!  Garam_Masala   Nov-29-09 10:57 PM   #328 
     - Here's what you claim you're looking for  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:36 PM   #152 
     - "The 'jig' was up"? What 'jig'?  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 10:48 PM   #158 
     - you wish it was a "jig"... how much are they paying you folks  fascisthunter   Nov-29-09 11:57 AM   #253 
     - I wouldn't put faceless (and often nameless) teabaggers' online ravings  marshall   Nov-28-09 03:45 PM   #24 
     - "Respected" is highly variable, "Did" is the operative word  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 05:39 PM   #57 
        - But it's all relative  marshall   Nov-28-09 06:23 PM   #73 
        - Please explain what they did that should bring 'disrespect' for them. (And use exact quotes)  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 11:31 PM   #176 
           - you want exact quotes? Here you go:  naaman fletcher   Nov-29-09 08:38 AM   #212 
           - "Direct assault on Science"  bemildred   Nov-29-09 08:48 AM   #215 
              - I don't get what you find so funny about scientists conspiring..  naaman fletcher   Nov-29-09 08:55 AM   #218 
                 - It is you that I find funny.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 09:01 AM   #221 
                    - No, you are wrong.  naaman fletcher   Nov-29-09 09:03 AM   #223 
                       - Do you have any "underlying data" for that?  bemildred   Nov-29-09 09:10 AM   #224 
           - Oh, the spin!  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 04:51 PM   #299 
     - let's be honest  unabelladonna   Nov-28-09 05:24 PM   #55 
     - Well said.  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:16 PM   #70 
     - re: i want to feed the starving, end the war, vaccinate the poor. we have more important things to d  PatrynXX   Nov-28-09 06:22 PM   #72 
     - I wish we would just concentrate on things everyone can agree with  marshall   Nov-28-09 06:27 PM   #75 
     - Sweet Jesus  me b zola   Nov-28-09 08:41 PM   #131 
     - well, keep ignoring global warming...  a la izquierda   Nov-28-09 09:32 PM   #134 
     - Yep.  Kadie   Nov-28-09 10:46 PM   #156 
     - You don't understand the scope of the problem.  backscatter712   Nov-28-09 10:23 PM   #147 
     - "ephemeral little feelgood causes"?  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 10:54 PM   #161 
     - did i claim to be a writer? "doctor"? and why question whether i pay taxes?  unabelladonna   Nov-28-09 11:31 PM   #177 
        - No, not 'defensive' at all...  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 11:46 PM   #180 
        - yeah, that's the same attitude wall street has  ldf   Nov-29-09 08:52 PM   #321 
     - you aren't honest... so there is no "us"  fascisthunter   Nov-29-09 11:56 AM   #252 
     - It's all shady...  Lagomorph   Nov-29-09 08:54 PM   #322 
  - None of you will convince the majority that Global Warming is a Hoax  fascisthunter   Nov-28-09 02:50 PM   #9 
  - There is something wrong, indeed  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 05:41 PM   #58 
  - Please give examples of shoddy datasets...  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:42 PM   #154 
  - Read the file HARRY_READ_ME.txt  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 11:40 PM   #179 
     - Yes, that's what people who do 'science' do; constant feedback and improvement.  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 11:51 PM   #182 
     - You obviously didn't read the file  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 12:57 PM   #262 
     - That is your interpretation of a second-hand account.  Birthmark   Nov-29-09 02:09 AM   #205 
        - It is quite impressive  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 12:58 PM   #263 
           - Okay, then what did the programmer mean...  Birthmark   Nov-30-09 03:52 AM   #335 
  - Oh please do post this "truth".  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 11:03 PM   #163 
  - Innocuous emails?  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 04:31 PM   #293 
  - that's a lie... but I expect that from you  fascisthunter   Nov-29-09 11:47 AM   #247 
     - What part is a lie?  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 04:36 PM   #296 
  - And speaking of hiding from the "truth"...  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:07 PM   #64 
  - Ignoring reality is even nuttier  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:45 PM   #155 
  - 'Eco-religion'?  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 11:28 PM   #175 
  - Follow the money.  GMA   Nov-29-09 06:39 PM   #314 
     - Indeed! nt  Wednesdays   Nov-29-09 07:52 PM   #318 
  - you sound like a disgruntled global warming denying fool  fascisthunter   Nov-29-09 11:44 AM   #244 
     - Way back a week or so ago, in another thread on climate change,  GMA   Nov-29-09 12:41 PM   #258 
  - This thread is crawling with them  me b zola   Nov-28-09 08:45 PM   #132 
  - I think there needs to be an announcement from the White House to the Public.  glinda   Nov-28-09 09:33 PM   #135 
  - I believe the scientists because I look around the world -- directly -- and see the changes  SpiralHawk   Nov-28-09 03:14 PM   #17 
  - evidence like the almost complete absence of hurricanes this year?  Titanothere   Nov-30-09 02:14 PM   #340 
  - Do you actually have any evidence for those claims?  struggle4progress   Nov-28-09 03:25 PM   #20 
  - I live in Southern California. My paperwhites are in bloom.  JDPriestly   Nov-28-09 04:17 PM   #37 
     - Well, sure, I'm happy to hear whatever you want to say. Just in case it's unclear, I'll point out  struggle4progress   Nov-28-09 06:41 PM   #82 
  - you are spreading more lies aid for by the oil industry  diane in sf   Nov-28-09 03:41 PM   #23 
  - There is nothing in the emails that disproved human-caused  Hissyspit   Nov-28-09 03:54 PM   #28 
  - But the very fact that the emails are real,  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:09 PM   #65 
     - There is no such question.  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:48 PM   #157 
        - Paper tape and mag tape?  GMA   Nov-29-09 06:36 PM   #313 
           - Ask your husband --who's been in IT for over 30 years...  Birthmark   Nov-30-09 03:22 AM   #331 
  - Climate scientists refuse to submit their research to peer review?!?!  NickB79   Nov-28-09 03:54 PM   #29 
  - They wouldn't provide the raw data to let others confirm  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 05:43 PM   #59 
     - Publication in peer-reviewed journals involves review of raw data.  kestrel91316   Nov-28-09 06:50 PM   #89 
     - Why do they talk about how to prevent  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 07:18 PM   #109 
     - No such thing as settled science?  NickB79   Nov-29-09 01:18 AM   #202 
        - We have found out that Netwon's theory of gravity is flawed  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 04:34 PM   #295 
     - No, it doesn't  Abq_Sarah   Nov-28-09 11:15 PM   #169 
     - high paid industry trolls are picking through all climate research looking for  certainot   Nov-28-09 07:14 PM   #107 
        - People all over the Internet are doing it  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 07:23 PM   #113 
           - what a load of crap- the code doesn't lie?  certainot   Nov-28-09 07:36 PM   #121 
           - i did that on purpose  certainot   Nov-28-09 07:38 PM   #124 
           - They aren't going to change their minds  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 11:18 PM   #172 
              - the money is in denial at the moment,  certainot   Nov-29-09 02:41 AM   #206 
                 - The money is in global warming  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 01:04 PM   #268 
                    - the adjustments we HAVE to make to save this planet before  certainot   Nov-29-09 02:24 PM   #280 
                       - The governments are spending  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 04:26 PM   #292 
                          - obviously the 'markets' haven't been working to avoid this problem  certainot   Nov-29-09 04:56 PM   #301 
                             - Clearly, "the markets" are deeply flawed.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 05:17 PM   #304 
                             - Obviously the government hasn't been working well either  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 07:19 PM   #316 
                                - the GOP's stated goal is to destroy govt. (that's we the people)  certainot   Nov-29-09 07:29 PM   #317 
                                   - Who are the corporations accountable to? n/t  DissedByBush   Nov-30-09 12:06 AM   #330 
           - FORTRAN?!? Are you fucking kidding me?  tex-wyo-dem   Nov-28-09 09:41 PM   #137 
              - Nothing wrong with Fortran for a purpose like this  DavidDvorkin   Nov-28-09 10:01 PM   #141 
              - The CRU is using FORTRAN  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 11:15 PM   #170 
              - To be fair, FORTRAN is used all the time for scientific computing.  sudopod   Nov-28-09 11:21 PM   #173 
  - "Free market" NUTJOBS.  Ghost Dog   Nov-28-09 04:03 PM   #32 
  - They didn't falsify information... and Global Warming is real  farmbo   Nov-28-09 04:41 PM   #47 
  - Even if we throw out that "tricky" email,  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:31 PM   #80 
  - There are only 40 people in the world studying climate change?  tinrobot   Nov-28-09 09:56 PM   #140 
  - Yes, I'm sure that from the thousands of scientifically illiterate morons perusing the texts,  The Doctor.   Nov-28-09 10:26 PM   #148 
  - The most telling part is the programmer's notes  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 07:16 PM   #108 
     - Oooo! I want to try too!  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:07 AM   #186 
  - I need money. Where do I go to apply for your job? It seems really easy,  kestrel91316   Nov-28-09 06:46 PM   #85 
  - But do they get paid health insurance?  glitch   Nov-29-09 10:47 AM   #231 
  - what a load of crap- listen to some limbaugh, eh?  certainot   Nov-28-09 07:09 PM   #105 
  - Where do you get that from the article?  me b zola   Nov-28-09 08:35 PM   #129 
  - There is no evidence the "leaked" emails are legit.  greennina   Nov-28-09 02:05 PM   #4 
  - Where did you get that ?  Andronex   Nov-28-09 02:20 PM   #6 
  - Reading them out of context, it's hard to see them out of context?  boppers   Nov-28-09 02:56 PM   #15 
  - to say that they are evidence of a massive scientific conspiracy  jimlup   Nov-28-09 03:10 PM   #16 
  - It's hard to see how water can be muddy if you live your entire life in muddy water. n/t  Uncle Joe   Nov-28-09 04:15 PM   #36 
  - Really? Cool.  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:08 AM   #187 
  - they are confirmed by the people that wrote them...  acsmith   Nov-28-09 03:45 PM   #25 
     - But what do they know?  JonQ   Nov-28-09 05:02 PM   #52 
        - Smile...  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:11 PM   #66 
  - Has anyone here actually read these emails?  quakerboy   Nov-28-09 02:19 PM   #5 
  - you will find quite a few here...  Andronex   Nov-28-09 02:29 PM   #8 
  - Excerpts  quakerboy   Nov-28-09 02:56 PM   #14 
  - Andronex, those e-mails don't suggest a cover-up at all.  JDPriestly   Nov-28-09 04:24 PM   #39 
     - You obviously didn't read them..  naaman fletcher   Nov-29-09 09:30 AM   #225 
        - How are things on the plane?  bemildred   Nov-29-09 09:33 AM   #226 
  - Well, there's a first for me here on du,  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:13 PM   #68 
  - I've read quite a few  DissedByBush   Nov-28-09 11:28 PM   #174 
     - And yet you can't post excerpts that *prove* those conclusions...  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:23 AM   #191 
        - Of course I can  DissedByBush   Nov-29-09 01:02 PM   #267 
  - I noticed a couple DUers joined in on that smear campaign.  Kingofalldems   Nov-28-09 02:21 PM   #7 
  - Me too... funny thing, never seen them before  fascisthunter   Nov-28-09 02:51 PM   #10 
     - i don't say it's a conspiracy  unabelladonna   Nov-28-09 05:30 PM   #56 
     - The ENTIRE world is going to be starving if we don't act to mitigate  kestrel91316   Nov-28-09 06:53 PM   #92 
     - These will be known as the good old days  beardown   Nov-28-09 06:58 PM   #97 
     - The ones I was referencing were not new at all  Kingofalldems   Nov-28-09 06:49 PM   #88 
        - well, where are the mods  fascisthunter   Nov-29-09 11:51 AM   #251 
  - K&R. I agree.  Overseas   Nov-28-09 02:54 PM   #11 
  - powerful big polluters think their profits are more important than humanity itself  fascisthunter   Nov-28-09 02:56 PM   #13 
  - This seems to be the general attitude of many on DU...  Andronex   Nov-28-09 03:16 PM   #19 
  - It does when the opposing camp  quakerboy   Nov-28-09 03:29 PM   #21 
  - this is not about opposing camps...  Andronex   Nov-28-09 03:53 PM   #27 
     - It is absolutely tragic that people often do see global warming  Tutankhamun   Nov-28-09 04:32 PM   #42 
     - The problem is that it IS about opposing camps  quakerboy   Nov-29-09 01:33 AM   #203 
  - the lesson here is that there's a whole lot more to "science" than just the science part --  nashville_brook   Nov-28-09 03:46 PM   #26 
  - No, nashville_brook, this is about the fact that when  JDPriestly   Nov-28-09 04:31 PM   #41 
  - tomato, tomahto -- scientists have biases, and (gasp!) act on them. call it cheating, tweeking,  nashville_brook   Nov-29-09 10:30 AM   #230 
  - Precisely, brook. Color me not shocked. nt  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:52 PM   #160 
  - Absolutely nothing there disproves human-caused climate change.  Hissyspit   Nov-28-09 04:00 PM   #30 
  - so...  Andronex   Nov-28-09 04:19 PM   #38 
     - so......what do you do with a potential saboteur in your midst?  KakistocracyHater   Nov-28-09 04:35 PM   #43 
     - If he says crazy shit  sudopod   Nov-28-09 06:15 PM   #69 
     - "Back channel to have him lose his job" ? Ummm.... didn't you just post this;  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:29 AM   #193 
  - Triumphantly waving a two sentence excerpt, from an extended email exchange,  struggle4progress   Nov-28-09 04:03 PM   #33 
  - If these are legit hacked emails, then how come there are no pictures of their cats?  Ian David   Nov-28-09 03:39 PM   #22 
  - I'm sure they are a few...  Andronex   Nov-28-09 04:02 PM   #31 
     - You mean, Andronex, that the e-mails were edited  JDPriestly   Nov-28-09 04:37 PM   #44 
  - I wonder how much the hackers were paid by Exxon?  Odin2005   Nov-28-09 04:10 PM   #34 
  - CIA probably did it for them, gratis, as a "public service" eom  Kolesar   Nov-28-09 04:40 PM   #45 
  - If the emails are legit  JonQ   Nov-28-09 05:01 PM   #51 
  - The cited report documenting the accelerating pace of climate change is here:  Ghost Dog   Nov-28-09 04:13 PM   #35 
  - I want to thank everyone...  Andronex   Nov-28-09 04:31 PM   #40 
  - goodbye!  Kolesar   Nov-28-09 04:41 PM   #46 
  - Speaking of research... "Researcher: Artic Ice Thinning"  Hissyspit   Nov-28-09 04:47 PM   #49 
  - The science is settled! Dissent will not be tolerated  JonQ   Nov-28-09 04:47 PM   #50 
  - There's a difference between valuable dissent and logical fallacies, corporate-funded  Hissyspit   Nov-28-09 05:02 PM   #53 
  - What if the alleged scientists  JonQ   Nov-28-09 05:08 PM   #54 
     - set up the strawman so that you can knock him down  Kolesar   Nov-28-09 05:59 PM   #62 
     - Not a strawman when based on facts  JonQ   Nov-28-09 06:29 PM   #77 
     - Doesn't a crime have to have a motive?  sudopod   Nov-28-09 06:18 PM   #71 
     - What is the motive for research scientists  JonQ   Nov-28-09 06:28 PM   #76 
        - Being a university professor is not the path to fame and riches.  sudopod   Nov-28-09 06:53 PM   #91 
           - Trust me on this,  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:21 PM   #110 
              - Sure, there's pressure for a younger guy not to be a squeaky wheel.  sudopod   Nov-28-09 07:31 PM   #119 
                 - You say an interesting thing here:  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:36 PM   #123 
                    - Correct, however historically people who go against the grain are pilloried ...  sudopod   Nov-28-09 07:47 PM   #125 
                       - Climate science is not special in this  JonQ   Nov-29-09 10:59 AM   #233 
     - Forest Gump was a genius.  beardown   Nov-28-09 07:03 PM   #102 
     - It doesn't take a worldwide conspiracy  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:24 PM   #115 
        - Wow, these folks sure are powerful....  tinrobot   Nov-29-09 12:49 AM   #197 
           - Your post shows that you are ignorant on the subject  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:21 AM   #238 
              - Yawn... your hyperbole is getting tiring.  tinrobot   Nov-29-09 11:44 AM   #243 
                 - They are the leading one, of very few  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:47 AM   #248 
     - The treatment of skeptics  Abq_Sarah   Nov-28-09 11:14 PM   #168 
     - But don't you know, the validity of a scientific theory  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:16 AM   #236 
     - I'm sorry, which "alleged scinetists" are you talking about?  tinrobot   Nov-29-09 12:43 AM   #196 
        - These are the top scientists at  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:18 AM   #237 
  - March! March!  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:37 PM   #81 
  - welcome to ignore  fascisthunter   Nov-29-09 11:49 AM   #250 
     - Troll, eh?  Wednesdays   Nov-29-09 08:26 PM   #319 
  - Wrong. RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS will not be tolerated.  kestrel91316   Nov-28-09 06:56 PM   #96 
  - Dissent is always tolerated...when there is data to back it up  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:57 PM   #162 
  - And when the data in question has been shown to be falsified  JonQ   Nov-29-09 01:01 PM   #265 
     - What data was falsified?  Birthmark   Nov-30-09 03:25 AM   #332 
  - another one  fascisthunter   Nov-29-09 11:49 AM   #249 
     - I do!?!?! Oh no  JonQ   Nov-29-09 12:58 PM   #264 
  - This is the most coordinated, "surge" like campaign I've seen. Pulling out all the stops.  glitch   Nov-28-09 05:57 PM   #61 
  - +1.. that was their plan all along  Blue_Tires   Nov-28-09 09:37 PM   #136 
     - Those congress critters have already been bought anyway.  glitch   Nov-29-09 10:11 AM   #228 
  - We just went through 8 years of absollute climate denials  libodem   Nov-28-09 06:02 PM   #63 
  - don't forget about Chrichton's book  Blue_Tires   Nov-28-09 09:43 PM   #138 
  - wunderground.com (it's a weather site) has something about this too.  PatrynXX   Nov-28-09 06:11 PM   #67 
  - Yes, that's an excellent piece of writing.  Ghost Dog   Nov-29-09 08:37 AM   #211 
  - Second that.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 08:50 AM   #217 
  - An interesting tidbit from your link:  ronnie624   Nov-29-09 10:01 AM   #227 
  - Also troubling is the code that's being analyzed.  GMA   Nov-28-09 06:24 PM   #74 
  - Yes, I think at the very least  JonQ   Nov-28-09 06:30 PM   #79 
  - As a rule  sudopod   Nov-28-09 07:22 PM   #112 
  - Maybe, but  GMA   Nov-28-09 10:29 PM   #150 
     - When I say bad programmers  sudopod   Nov-28-09 11:31 PM   #178 
  - You do realize, don't you...  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 11:05 PM   #164 
     - The science is settled  JonQ   Nov-29-09 01:02 PM   #266 
        - Stop your hand waving and produce a different model.  Birthmark   Nov-30-09 03:30 AM   #333 
  - If those emails are true, then the planet will suddenly be cooler?  tinrobot   Nov-28-09 06:43 PM   #83 
  - The question isn't and never has been global warming  JonQ   Nov-28-09 06:48 PM   #86 
     - The question fucking well is global warming.  bemildred   Nov-28-09 06:52 PM   #90 
     - When we are creating legislature to address it then yes  JonQ   Nov-28-09 06:55 PM   #93 
        - Assuming we are helpless seems like a stupid and pessimistic approach.  bemildred   Nov-28-09 06:58 PM   #99 
        - Assuming we can control it  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:01 PM   #101 
           - Your argument is all negative hypotheticals.  bemildred   Nov-28-09 07:06 PM   #104 
              - So a consensus has been reached, eh?  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:13 PM   #106 
                 - So you have no facts, eh?  bemildred   Nov-28-09 07:21 PM   #111 
                    - You seem awfully emotional over what should be a dispassionate point  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:29 PM   #118 
                       - You seem to be painting with a very broad brush.  tinrobot   Nov-28-09 08:05 PM   #128 
                          - Oh there you go again, just like me being all emotional and stuff.  bemildred   Nov-28-09 08:50 PM   #133 
                          - You are gullible  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:40 AM   #240 
                             - Well, I'm not buying your bullshit, so how gullible can I really be? nt  bemildred   Nov-29-09 12:28 PM   #255 
                                - It's not "my" anything  JonQ   Nov-29-09 12:33 PM   #257 
                                   - You wrote it, are writing it, here, now, yes?  bemildred   Nov-29-09 12:43 PM   #259 
                                      - You don't understand how scientific reviews work  JonQ   Nov-29-09 12:49 PM   #261 
                                         - I used to do sims and models for a living.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 01:14 PM   #269 
                                            - You want to know how I know you don't understand what you're arguing?  JonQ   Nov-29-09 01:47 PM   #271 
                                            - LOL. People make models up, that's where they come from.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 02:00 PM   #274 
                                            - Good, people make models  JonQ   Nov-29-09 02:04 PM   #275 
                                            - The validity of Darwin's theory does not rest on what he knew when he formed it.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 02:14 PM   #277 
                                            - Sigh, I was wrong you aren't getting this  JonQ   Nov-29-09 02:17 PM   #278 
                                            - I don't care "where it comes from".  bemildred   Nov-29-09 02:22 PM   #279 
                                            - Bingo, you finally admitted it  JonQ   Nov-29-09 02:25 PM   #281 
                                            - So you don't care about observation, it is the moral stature or the scientist that matters?  bemildred   Nov-29-09 02:32 PM   #282 
                                            - Nope, that is gibberish  JonQ   Nov-29-09 02:56 PM   #285 
                                            - Well, I'm glad you finally admitted it:  bemildred   Nov-29-09 03:00 PM   #286 
                                            - Huh? What language are you speaking  JonQ   Nov-29-09 03:07 PM   #287 
                                            - That's it, play dumb, admit incomprehension, safer that way.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 03:13 PM   #289 
                                            - You make comments that make no sense  JonQ   Nov-29-09 03:19 PM   #290 
                                            - You can't understand what I said, but you are Mr Science Wizard?  bemildred   Nov-29-09 04:32 PM   #294 
                                            - I have attacked their actions  JonQ   Nov-29-09 04:47 PM   #298 
                                            - So if I say you have shredded data, manipulated your published numbers incorrectly  bemildred   Nov-29-09 04:54 PM   #300 
                                            - If they have done those things, as they seem to have  JonQ   Nov-29-09 05:05 PM   #302 
                                            - There is no lack of counter-argument on global climate change, as you so ably demonstrate.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 05:16 PM   #303 
                                            - They detailed  JonQ   Nov-29-09 05:34 PM   #305 
                                            - Do show me where they have admitted to falsifying data.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 05:47 PM   #307 
                                            - You have not read the entire email scandal?  JonQ   Nov-29-09 05:56 PM   #308 
                                            - Do show me where they admitted falsifying data.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 05:58 PM   #309 
                                            - Generally people engaged in falsifying data  JonQ   Nov-29-09 06:07 PM   #311 
                                            - So they never admitted it, you made that up.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 06:13 PM   #312 
                                            - They did admit it  JonQ   Nov-29-09 09:40 PM   #323 
                                            - Read HARRY_READ_ME0.txt - your wish has come true  Psephos   Nov-29-09 10:47 PM   #327 
                                            - I used to do that for a living.  bemildred   Nov-30-09 06:13 AM   #337 
                                            - You used to make people who work for you take the blame? ;)  Psephos   Nov-30-09 11:48 AM   #338 
                          - How about the few leading ones  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:39 AM   #239 
        - thank you.  unabelladonna   Nov-28-09 11:48 PM   #181 
           - Try looking up "carbon isotope balance" - it that's not all too "mainstream" for you  hatrack   Nov-28-09 11:56 PM   #183 
           - C02 is actually  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:41 AM   #241 
           - Huh... more of the denialist language;  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:00 AM   #185 
           - That fails to explain  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:42 AM   #242 
              - Its seems to me that if scientists are conspiring to trick people into thinking that...  The Night Owl   Nov-29-09 11:21 PM   #329 
           - We already have changed the weather  tinrobot   Nov-29-09 12:26 AM   #192 
     - We're not responsible, it's the darn Sun's fault!  tinrobot   Nov-28-09 06:58 PM   #98 
     - See this is what I'm talking about  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:06 PM   #103 
        - "Make sure everything is right."  tinrobot   Nov-28-09 07:24 PM   #114 
           - We have a consensus!  JonQ   Nov-28-09 07:31 PM   #120 
              - The validity of the data is not in question.  tinrobot   Nov-28-09 07:55 PM   #126 
                 - Actually, it is, given that the CRU scientists have now admitted they lost it.  Psephos   Nov-28-09 11:13 PM   #166 
                    - So what's the big deal? Throw out the bad data.  tinrobot   Nov-29-09 12:22 AM   #190 
                       - You just said the validity of the data is not in question.  Psephos   Nov-29-09 12:59 AM   #199 
                       - I wasn't talking about that small group of people  tinrobot   Nov-29-09 01:46 AM   #204 
                          - The data is indisputable  JonQ   Nov-29-09 12:43 PM   #260 
                       - I thought the science was settled?  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:46 AM   #246 
     - The role of man is established  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 11:10 PM   #165 
     - No . . it . . . isn't  JonQ   Nov-29-09 11:45 AM   #245 
        - That's some mighty fine denialism there, JonQ  Birthmark   Nov-30-09 03:49 AM   #334 
     - Said very well what I expressed more awkwardly.  GMA   Nov-29-09 12:26 PM   #254 
  - The skeptics have a  audas   Nov-28-09 06:45 PM   #84 
  - Oh, please.  GMA   Nov-29-09 06:57 PM   #315 
  - Interesting comeback  Wednesdays   Nov-29-09 08:35 PM   #320 
  - Yeah, I heard they had conspired  JonQ   Nov-29-09 09:55 PM   #324 
  - Well, attack the messenger is not a new strategy.  bemildred   Nov-28-09 06:49 PM   #87 
  - It stinked to high heaven from the start  underpants   Nov-28-09 06:56 PM   #94 
  - Another apocalypse?  SimonBolivar   Nov-28-09 06:56 PM   #95 
  - Tell that to the people of Easter Island.  tinrobot   Nov-28-09 07:01 PM   #100 
  - The world won't end. It will most certainly get warmer.  Warren DeMontague   Nov-28-09 07:28 PM   #117 
  - It may not end for us.  sudopod   Nov-28-09 07:36 PM   #122 
  - Every one?  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 11:14 PM   #167 
  - Ooh, look - another 3-post denialist!  hatrack   Nov-28-09 11:57 PM   #184 
  - It's called 'If -> then' logic.  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:19 AM   #189 
  - what counts is that limbaugh and sons have 1000 radio stations  certainot   Nov-28-09 07:25 PM   #116 
  - Good point.  Quantess   Nov-29-09 12:17 AM   #188 
  - The e-mails make no difference  bhikkhu   Nov-28-09 07:57 PM   #127 
  - well the target and the timing of the hack are certainly not a random coincidence  Blue_Tires   Nov-28-09 09:52 PM   #139 
  - Why are the trolls showing up?  DavidDvorkin   Nov-28-09 10:02 PM   #142 
     - dunno...  Blue_Tires   Nov-28-09 10:13 PM   #143 
     - They get paid by the post.  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:34 AM   #194 
     - That's my guess. Or they are tools.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 06:50 AM   #207 
     - Oh, man--you hit it on the head.  GMA   Nov-29-09 12:32 PM   #256 
     - But what about health insurance, 401K, sick leave, and so on?  DavidDvorkin   Nov-29-09 01:51 PM   #273 
     - That explains those e-mails I get, claiming  DavidDvorkin   Nov-29-09 01:50 PM   #272 
     - Yes, it rather un-nerves me too...DU is really not all that important...why this concerted invasion?  bread_and_roses   Nov-29-09 07:45 AM   #208 
  - Look, I'm certainly not a scientist....  tidy_bowl   Nov-28-09 10:14 PM   #144 
  - Steve Jobs is using a settled science.  FarLeftFist   Nov-28-09 10:28 PM   #149 
  - Perhaps a better analogy would be medicine  tinrobot   Nov-29-09 01:01 AM   #201 
  - No, you're not.  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 12:37 AM   #195 
     - I have used the sarcasim emoticon....  tidy_bowl   Nov-29-09 12:54 AM   #198 
        - Tens of thousands of scientists  The Doctor.   Nov-29-09 01:01 AM   #200 
           - I think the point is that there has not been independent verification of these studies:  naaman fletcher   Nov-29-09 08:01 AM   #210 
              - What are you talking about?  bemildred   Nov-29-09 08:40 AM   #213 
                 - No, you are simply incorrect  naaman fletcher   Nov-29-09 08:49 AM   #216 
                    - Incorrect about what?  bemildred   Nov-29-09 08:58 AM   #219 
                       - I'm sorry, I was talking about Climategate  naaman fletcher   Nov-29-09 09:01 AM   #220 
                          - I'm talking about your claim that I am incorrect about something.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 09:02 AM   #222 
  - Oh I get it....You (trolls) are all of the newly unemployed lobbyists on K street. n/t  FarLeftFist   Nov-28-09 10:17 PM   #146 
  - It is nothing more than a smear campaign  Birthmark   Nov-28-09 10:29 PM   #151 
  - OMG I FOUND A SMOKING GUN!!! ED HAS CONFESSED!!!  struggle4progress   Nov-29-09 07:51 AM   #209 
  - Yeah. See: he also says he doesn't care about the truth  Ghost Dog   Nov-29-09 08:43 AM   #214 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-29-09 10:13 AM   #229 
  - Amazing how the melting glaciers, retreating ice pack and rising temperatures  neverforget   Nov-29-09 01:15 PM   #270 
  - Let's step back  Abq_Sarah   Nov-29-09 02:12 PM   #276 
     - Well, I suppose one could always go out and get your own "raw data and models"  bemildred   Nov-29-09 02:40 PM   #283 
     - Or we could use the original raw data to check their model  JonQ   Nov-29-09 03:08 PM   #288 
     - So you believe that this is the ONLY set of data on climate change?  neverforget   Nov-29-09 03:55 PM   #291 
        - It's better than that, they threw it out back in the 1980s.  bemildred   Nov-29-09 04:37 PM   #297 
        - You are making a common fallacy  JonQ   Nov-29-09 05:36 PM   #306 
           - So spewing billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere that was stored  neverforget   Nov-29-09 06:06 PM   #310 
              - Sigh  JonQ   Nov-29-09 10:00 PM   #325 
                 - CO2 is the energy that is released since it's not consumed 100%  neverforget   Nov-29-09 10:32 PM   #326 
                    - That isn't right. It isn't even wrong.  Psephos   Nov-30-09 11:58 AM   #339 
                       - CO2 is a byproduct of the burning of fossil fuel, That is what i meant.  neverforget   Dec-01-09 09:51 AM   #341 
                          - Not necessarily  JonQ   Dec-01-09 10:43 AM   #342 
  - It's not so much a smear campaign as an idiocracy campaign  DavidDvorkin   Nov-29-09 02:54 PM   #284 
  - These "hackers" need to be found out and forced to work in a garbage dump.  Xenotime   Dec-01-09 02:13 PM   #343 
     - Yeah, effing whistleblowers  JonQ   Dec-01-09 02:17 PM   #344 
 

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