| -Hacked climate emails called a "smear campaign" |
TomCADem |
Nov-28-09 01:18 PM |
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What should we expect them to say... |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 01:49 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-28-09 01:56 PM |
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End justifies the means, I suppose |
cowcommander |
Nov-28-09 02:03 PM |
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not as shady as the propaganda that global warming deniers spread online |
fascisthunter |
Nov-28-09 02:54 PM |
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And if the emails were from... |
Syntheto |
Nov-28-09 03:16 PM |
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That's different, anyone who denies global warming is evil |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 04:45 PM |
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Too funny! |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 05:55 PM |
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Funny, but sad also |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 06:29 PM |
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Well, that's actually the problem... |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 10:17 PM |
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It is a theory that must be proven |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:09 AM |
#234 |
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Yes, you are a martyr |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:39 PM |
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Ooo! Oooo! Me! Pick me! |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 10:49 PM |
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Yep. |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 11:17 PM |
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what's a "cretinist"? |
demwing |
Nov-29-09 10:54 AM |
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You don't understand |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:14 AM |
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I understand perfectly. |
Birthmark |
Nov-30-09 04:11 AM |
#336 |
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Climate change is a scam? |
me b zola |
Nov-28-09 08:37 PM |
#130 |
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Global Warming exists! There is incontroverible Proof! |
Garam_Masala |
Nov-29-09 10:57 PM |
#328 |
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Here's what you claim you're looking for |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:36 PM |
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"The 'jig' was up"? What 'jig'? |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 10:48 PM |
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you wish it was a "jig"... how much are they paying you folks |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-09 11:57 AM |
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I wouldn't put faceless (and often nameless) teabaggers' online ravings |
marshall |
Nov-28-09 03:45 PM |
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"Respected" is highly variable, "Did" is the operative word |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 05:39 PM |
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But it's all relative |
marshall |
Nov-28-09 06:23 PM |
#73 |
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Please explain what they did that should bring 'disrespect' for them. (And use exact quotes) |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 11:31 PM |
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you want exact quotes? Here you go: |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-29-09 08:38 AM |
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"Direct assault on Science" |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 08:48 AM |
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I don't get what you find so funny about scientists conspiring.. |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-29-09 08:55 AM |
#218 |
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It is you that I find funny. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 09:01 AM |
#221 |
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No, you are wrong. |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-29-09 09:03 AM |
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Do you have any "underlying data" for that? |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 09:10 AM |
#224 |
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Oh, the spin! |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 04:51 PM |
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let's be honest |
unabelladonna |
Nov-28-09 05:24 PM |
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Well said. |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:16 PM |
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re: i want to feed the starving, end the war, vaccinate the poor. we have more important things to d |
PatrynXX |
Nov-28-09 06:22 PM |
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I wish we would just concentrate on things everyone can agree with |
marshall |
Nov-28-09 06:27 PM |
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Sweet Jesus |
me b zola |
Nov-28-09 08:41 PM |
#131 |
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well, keep ignoring global warming... |
a la izquierda |
Nov-28-09 09:32 PM |
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Yep. |
Kadie |
Nov-28-09 10:46 PM |
#156 |
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You don't understand the scope of the problem. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-28-09 10:23 PM |
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"ephemeral little feelgood causes"? |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 10:54 PM |
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did i claim to be a writer? "doctor"? and why question whether i pay taxes? |
unabelladonna |
Nov-28-09 11:31 PM |
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No, not 'defensive' at all... |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 11:46 PM |
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yeah, that's the same attitude wall street has |
ldf |
Nov-29-09 08:52 PM |
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you aren't honest... so there is no "us" |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-09 11:56 AM |
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It's all shady... |
Lagomorph |
Nov-29-09 08:54 PM |
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None of you will convince the majority that Global Warming is a Hoax |
fascisthunter |
Nov-28-09 02:50 PM |
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There is something wrong, indeed |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 05:41 PM |
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Please give examples of shoddy datasets... |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:42 PM |
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Read the file HARRY_READ_ME.txt |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 11:40 PM |
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Yes, that's what people who do 'science' do; constant feedback and improvement. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 11:51 PM |
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You obviously didn't read the file |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 12:57 PM |
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That is your interpretation of a second-hand account. |
Birthmark |
Nov-29-09 02:09 AM |
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It is quite impressive |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 12:58 PM |
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Okay, then what did the programmer mean... |
Birthmark |
Nov-30-09 03:52 AM |
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Oh please do post this "truth". |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 11:03 PM |
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Innocuous emails? |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 04:31 PM |
#293 |
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that's a lie... but I expect that from you |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-09 11:47 AM |
#247 |
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What part is a lie? |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 04:36 PM |
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And speaking of hiding from the "truth"... |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:07 PM |
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Ignoring reality is even nuttier |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:45 PM |
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'Eco-religion'? |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 11:28 PM |
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Follow the money. |
GMA |
Nov-29-09 06:39 PM |
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Indeed! nt |
Wednesdays |
Nov-29-09 07:52 PM |
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you sound like a disgruntled global warming denying fool |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-09 11:44 AM |
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Way back a week or so ago, in another thread on climate change, |
GMA |
Nov-29-09 12:41 PM |
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This thread is crawling with them |
me b zola |
Nov-28-09 08:45 PM |
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I think there needs to be an announcement from the White House to the Public. |
glinda |
Nov-28-09 09:33 PM |
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I believe the scientists because I look around the world -- directly -- and see the changes |
SpiralHawk |
Nov-28-09 03:14 PM |
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evidence like the almost complete absence of hurricanes this year? |
Titanothere |
Nov-30-09 02:14 PM |
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Do you actually have any evidence for those claims? |
struggle4progress |
Nov-28-09 03:25 PM |
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I live in Southern California. My paperwhites are in bloom. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-28-09 04:17 PM |
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Well, sure, I'm happy to hear whatever you want to say. Just in case it's unclear, I'll point out |
struggle4progress |
Nov-28-09 06:41 PM |
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you are spreading more lies aid for by the oil industry |
diane in sf |
Nov-28-09 03:41 PM |
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There is nothing in the emails that disproved human-caused |
Hissyspit |
Nov-28-09 03:54 PM |
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But the very fact that the emails are real, |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:09 PM |
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There is no such question. |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:48 PM |
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Paper tape and mag tape? |
GMA |
Nov-29-09 06:36 PM |
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Ask your husband --who's been in IT for over 30 years... |
Birthmark |
Nov-30-09 03:22 AM |
#331 |
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Climate scientists refuse to submit their research to peer review?!?! |
NickB79 |
Nov-28-09 03:54 PM |
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They wouldn't provide the raw data to let others confirm |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 05:43 PM |
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Publication in peer-reviewed journals involves review of raw data. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-28-09 06:50 PM |
#89 |
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Why do they talk about how to prevent |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 07:18 PM |
#109 |
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No such thing as settled science? |
NickB79 |
Nov-29-09 01:18 AM |
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We have found out that Netwon's theory of gravity is flawed |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 04:34 PM |
#295 |
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No, it doesn't |
Abq_Sarah |
Nov-28-09 11:15 PM |
#169 |
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high paid industry trolls are picking through all climate research looking for |
certainot |
Nov-28-09 07:14 PM |
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People all over the Internet are doing it |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 07:23 PM |
#113 |
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what a load of crap- the code doesn't lie? |
certainot |
Nov-28-09 07:36 PM |
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i did that on purpose |
certainot |
Nov-28-09 07:38 PM |
#124 |
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They aren't going to change their minds |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 11:18 PM |
#172 |
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the money is in denial at the moment, |
certainot |
Nov-29-09 02:41 AM |
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The money is in global warming |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 01:04 PM |
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the adjustments we HAVE to make to save this planet before |
certainot |
Nov-29-09 02:24 PM |
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The governments are spending |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 04:26 PM |
#292 |
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obviously the 'markets' haven't been working to avoid this problem |
certainot |
Nov-29-09 04:56 PM |
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Clearly, "the markets" are deeply flawed. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 05:17 PM |
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Obviously the government hasn't been working well either |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 07:19 PM |
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the GOP's stated goal is to destroy govt. (that's we the people) |
certainot |
Nov-29-09 07:29 PM |
#317 |
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Who are the corporations accountable to? n/t |
DissedByBush |
Nov-30-09 12:06 AM |
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FORTRAN?!? Are you fucking kidding me? |
tex-wyo-dem |
Nov-28-09 09:41 PM |
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Nothing wrong with Fortran for a purpose like this |
DavidDvorkin |
Nov-28-09 10:01 PM |
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The CRU is using FORTRAN |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 11:15 PM |
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To be fair, FORTRAN is used all the time for scientific computing. |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 11:21 PM |
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"Free market" NUTJOBS. |
Ghost Dog |
Nov-28-09 04:03 PM |
#32 |
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They didn't falsify information... and Global Warming is real |
farmbo |
Nov-28-09 04:41 PM |
#47 |
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Even if we throw out that "tricky" email, |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:31 PM |
#80 |
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There are only 40 people in the world studying climate change? |
tinrobot |
Nov-28-09 09:56 PM |
#140 |
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Yes, I'm sure that from the thousands of scientifically illiterate morons perusing the texts, |
The Doctor. |
Nov-28-09 10:26 PM |
#148 |
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The most telling part is the programmer's notes |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 07:16 PM |
#108 |
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Oooo! I want to try too! |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:07 AM |
#186 |
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I need money. Where do I go to apply for your job? It seems really easy, |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-28-09 06:46 PM |
#85 |
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But do they get paid health insurance? |
glitch |
Nov-29-09 10:47 AM |
#231 |
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what a load of crap- listen to some limbaugh, eh? |
certainot |
Nov-28-09 07:09 PM |
#105 |
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Where do you get that from the article? |
me b zola |
Nov-28-09 08:35 PM |
#129 |
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There is no evidence the "leaked" emails are legit. |
greennina |
Nov-28-09 02:05 PM |
#4 |
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Where did you get that ? |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 02:20 PM |
#6 |
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Reading them out of context, it's hard to see them out of context? |
boppers |
Nov-28-09 02:56 PM |
#15 |
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to say that they are evidence of a massive scientific conspiracy |
jimlup |
Nov-28-09 03:10 PM |
#16 |
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It's hard to see how water can be muddy if you live your entire life in muddy water. n/t |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-28-09 04:15 PM |
#36 |
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Really? Cool. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:08 AM |
#187 |
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they are confirmed by the people that wrote them... |
acsmith |
Nov-28-09 03:45 PM |
#25 |
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But what do they know? |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 05:02 PM |
#52 |
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Smile... |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:11 PM |
#66 |
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Has anyone here actually read these emails? |
quakerboy |
Nov-28-09 02:19 PM |
#5 |
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you will find quite a few here... |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 02:29 PM |
#8 |
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Excerpts |
quakerboy |
Nov-28-09 02:56 PM |
#14 |
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Andronex, those e-mails don't suggest a cover-up at all. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-28-09 04:24 PM |
#39 |
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You obviously didn't read them.. |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-29-09 09:30 AM |
#225 |
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How are things on the plane? |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 09:33 AM |
#226 |
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Well, there's a first for me here on du, |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:13 PM |
#68 |
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I've read quite a few |
DissedByBush |
Nov-28-09 11:28 PM |
#174 |
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And yet you can't post excerpts that *prove* those conclusions... |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:23 AM |
#191 |
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Of course I can |
DissedByBush |
Nov-29-09 01:02 PM |
#267 |
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I noticed a couple DUers joined in on that smear campaign. |
Kingofalldems |
Nov-28-09 02:21 PM |
#7 |
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Me too... funny thing, never seen them before |
fascisthunter |
Nov-28-09 02:51 PM |
#10 |
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i don't say it's a conspiracy |
unabelladonna |
Nov-28-09 05:30 PM |
#56 |
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The ENTIRE world is going to be starving if we don't act to mitigate |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-28-09 06:53 PM |
#92 |
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These will be known as the good old days |
beardown |
Nov-28-09 06:58 PM |
#97 |
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The ones I was referencing were not new at all |
Kingofalldems |
Nov-28-09 06:49 PM |
#88 |
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well, where are the mods |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-09 11:51 AM |
#251 |
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K&R. I agree. |
Overseas |
Nov-28-09 02:54 PM |
#11 |
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powerful big polluters think their profits are more important than humanity itself |
fascisthunter |
Nov-28-09 02:56 PM |
#13 |
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This seems to be the general attitude of many on DU... |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 03:16 PM |
#19 |
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It does when the opposing camp |
quakerboy |
Nov-28-09 03:29 PM |
#21 |
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this is not about opposing camps... |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 03:53 PM |
#27 |
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It is absolutely tragic that people often do see global warming |
Tutankhamun |
Nov-28-09 04:32 PM |
#42 |
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The problem is that it IS about opposing camps |
quakerboy |
Nov-29-09 01:33 AM |
#203 |
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the lesson here is that there's a whole lot more to "science" than just the science part -- |
nashville_brook |
Nov-28-09 03:46 PM |
#26 |
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No, nashville_brook, this is about the fact that when |
JDPriestly |
Nov-28-09 04:31 PM |
#41 |
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tomato, tomahto -- scientists have biases, and (gasp!) act on them. call it cheating, tweeking, |
nashville_brook |
Nov-29-09 10:30 AM |
#230 |
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Precisely, brook. Color me not shocked. nt |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:52 PM |
#160 |
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Absolutely nothing there disproves human-caused climate change. |
Hissyspit |
Nov-28-09 04:00 PM |
#30 |
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so... |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 04:19 PM |
#38 |
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so......what do you do with a potential saboteur in your midst? |
KakistocracyHater |
Nov-28-09 04:35 PM |
#43 |
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If he says crazy shit |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 06:15 PM |
#69 |
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"Back channel to have him lose his job" ? Ummm.... didn't you just post this; |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:29 AM |
#193 |
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Triumphantly waving a two sentence excerpt, from an extended email exchange, |
struggle4progress |
Nov-28-09 04:03 PM |
#33 |
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If these are legit hacked emails, then how come there are no pictures of their cats? |
Ian David |
Nov-28-09 03:39 PM |
#22 |
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I'm sure they are a few... |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 04:02 PM |
#31 |
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You mean, Andronex, that the e-mails were edited |
JDPriestly |
Nov-28-09 04:37 PM |
#44 |
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I wonder how much the hackers were paid by Exxon? |
Odin2005 |
Nov-28-09 04:10 PM |
#34 |
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CIA probably did it for them, gratis, as a "public service" eom |
Kolesar |
Nov-28-09 04:40 PM |
#45 |
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If the emails are legit |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 05:01 PM |
#51 |
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The cited report documenting the accelerating pace of climate change is here: |
Ghost Dog |
Nov-28-09 04:13 PM |
#35 |
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I want to thank everyone... |
Andronex |
Nov-28-09 04:31 PM |
#40 |
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goodbye! |
Kolesar |
Nov-28-09 04:41 PM |
#46 |
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Speaking of research... "Researcher: Artic Ice Thinning" |
Hissyspit |
Nov-28-09 04:47 PM |
#49 |
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The science is settled! Dissent will not be tolerated |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 04:47 PM |
#50 |
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There's a difference between valuable dissent and logical fallacies, corporate-funded |
Hissyspit |
Nov-28-09 05:02 PM |
#53 |
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What if the alleged scientists |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 05:08 PM |
#54 |
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set up the strawman so that you can knock him down |
Kolesar |
Nov-28-09 05:59 PM |
#62 |
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Not a strawman when based on facts |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 06:29 PM |
#77 |
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Doesn't a crime have to have a motive? |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 06:18 PM |
#71 |
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What is the motive for research scientists |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 06:28 PM |
#76 |
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Being a university professor is not the path to fame and riches. |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 06:53 PM |
#91 |
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Trust me on this, |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:21 PM |
#110 |
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Sure, there's pressure for a younger guy not to be a squeaky wheel. |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 07:31 PM |
#119 |
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You say an interesting thing here: |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:36 PM |
#123 |
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Correct, however historically people who go against the grain are pilloried ... |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 07:47 PM |
#125 |
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Climate science is not special in this |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 10:59 AM |
#233 |
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Forest Gump was a genius. |
beardown |
Nov-28-09 07:03 PM |
#102 |
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It doesn't take a worldwide conspiracy |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:24 PM |
#115 |
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Wow, these folks sure are powerful.... |
tinrobot |
Nov-29-09 12:49 AM |
#197 |
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Your post shows that you are ignorant on the subject |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:21 AM |
#238 |
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Yawn... your hyperbole is getting tiring. |
tinrobot |
Nov-29-09 11:44 AM |
#243 |
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They are the leading one, of very few |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:47 AM |
#248 |
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The treatment of skeptics |
Abq_Sarah |
Nov-28-09 11:14 PM |
#168 |
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But don't you know, the validity of a scientific theory |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:16 AM |
#236 |
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I'm sorry, which "alleged scinetists" are you talking about? |
tinrobot |
Nov-29-09 12:43 AM |
#196 |
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These are the top scientists at |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:18 AM |
#237 |
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March! March! |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:37 PM |
#81 |
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welcome to ignore |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-09 11:49 AM |
#250 |
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Troll, eh? |
Wednesdays |
Nov-29-09 08:26 PM |
#319 |
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Wrong. RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS will not be tolerated. |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-28-09 06:56 PM |
#96 |
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Dissent is always tolerated...when there is data to back it up |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:57 PM |
#162 |
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And when the data in question has been shown to be falsified |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 01:01 PM |
#265 |
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What data was falsified? |
Birthmark |
Nov-30-09 03:25 AM |
#332 |
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another one |
fascisthunter |
Nov-29-09 11:49 AM |
#249 |
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I do!?!?! Oh no |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 12:58 PM |
#264 |
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This is the most coordinated, "surge" like campaign I've seen. Pulling out all the stops. |
glitch |
Nov-28-09 05:57 PM |
#61 |
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+1.. that was their plan all along |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-28-09 09:37 PM |
#136 |
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Those congress critters have already been bought anyway. |
glitch |
Nov-29-09 10:11 AM |
#228 |
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We just went through 8 years of absollute climate denials |
libodem |
Nov-28-09 06:02 PM |
#63 |
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don't forget about Chrichton's book |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-28-09 09:43 PM |
#138 |
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wunderground.com (it's a weather site) has something about this too. |
PatrynXX |
Nov-28-09 06:11 PM |
#67 |
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Yes, that's an excellent piece of writing. |
Ghost Dog |
Nov-29-09 08:37 AM |
#211 |
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Second that. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 08:50 AM |
#217 |
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An interesting tidbit from your link: |
ronnie624 |
Nov-29-09 10:01 AM |
#227 |
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Also troubling is the code that's being analyzed. |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 06:24 PM |
#74 |
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Yes, I think at the very least |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 06:30 PM |
#79 |
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As a rule |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 07:22 PM |
#112 |
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Maybe, but |
GMA |
Nov-28-09 10:29 PM |
#150 |
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When I say bad programmers |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 11:31 PM |
#178 |
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You do realize, don't you... |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 11:05 PM |
#164 |
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The science is settled |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 01:02 PM |
#266 |
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Stop your hand waving and produce a different model. |
Birthmark |
Nov-30-09 03:30 AM |
#333 |
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If those emails are true, then the planet will suddenly be cooler? |
tinrobot |
Nov-28-09 06:43 PM |
#83 |
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The question isn't and never has been global warming |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 06:48 PM |
#86 |
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The question fucking well is global warming. |
bemildred |
Nov-28-09 06:52 PM |
#90 |
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When we are creating legislature to address it then yes |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 06:55 PM |
#93 |
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Assuming we are helpless seems like a stupid and pessimistic approach. |
bemildred |
Nov-28-09 06:58 PM |
#99 |
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Assuming we can control it |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:01 PM |
#101 |
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Your argument is all negative hypotheticals. |
bemildred |
Nov-28-09 07:06 PM |
#104 |
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So a consensus has been reached, eh? |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:13 PM |
#106 |
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So you have no facts, eh? |
bemildred |
Nov-28-09 07:21 PM |
#111 |
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You seem awfully emotional over what should be a dispassionate point |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:29 PM |
#118 |
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You seem to be painting with a very broad brush. |
tinrobot |
Nov-28-09 08:05 PM |
#128 |
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Oh there you go again, just like me being all emotional and stuff. |
bemildred |
Nov-28-09 08:50 PM |
#133 |
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You are gullible |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:40 AM |
#240 |
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Well, I'm not buying your bullshit, so how gullible can I really be? nt |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 12:28 PM |
#255 |
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It's not "my" anything |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 12:33 PM |
#257 |
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You wrote it, are writing it, here, now, yes? |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 12:43 PM |
#259 |
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You don't understand how scientific reviews work |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 12:49 PM |
#261 |
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I used to do sims and models for a living. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 01:14 PM |
#269 |
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You want to know how I know you don't understand what you're arguing? |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 01:47 PM |
#271 |
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LOL. People make models up, that's where they come from. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 02:00 PM |
#274 |
| -
Good, people make models |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 02:04 PM |
#275 |
| -
The validity of Darwin's theory does not rest on what he knew when he formed it. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 02:14 PM |
#277 |
| -
Sigh, I was wrong you aren't getting this |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 02:17 PM |
#278 |
| -
I don't care "where it comes from". |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 02:22 PM |
#279 |
| -
Bingo, you finally admitted it |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 02:25 PM |
#281 |
| -
So you don't care about observation, it is the moral stature or the scientist that matters? |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 02:32 PM |
#282 |
| -
Nope, that is gibberish |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 02:56 PM |
#285 |
| -
Well, I'm glad you finally admitted it: |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 03:00 PM |
#286 |
| -
Huh? What language are you speaking |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 03:07 PM |
#287 |
| -
That's it, play dumb, admit incomprehension, safer that way. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 03:13 PM |
#289 |
| -
You make comments that make no sense |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 03:19 PM |
#290 |
| -
You can't understand what I said, but you are Mr Science Wizard? |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 04:32 PM |
#294 |
| -
I have attacked their actions |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 04:47 PM |
#298 |
| -
So if I say you have shredded data, manipulated your published numbers incorrectly |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 04:54 PM |
#300 |
| -
If they have done those things, as they seem to have |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 05:05 PM |
#302 |
| -
There is no lack of counter-argument on global climate change, as you so ably demonstrate. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 05:16 PM |
#303 |
| -
They detailed |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 05:34 PM |
#305 |
| -
Do show me where they have admitted to falsifying data. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 05:47 PM |
#307 |
| -
You have not read the entire email scandal? |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 05:56 PM |
#308 |
| -
Do show me where they admitted falsifying data. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 05:58 PM |
#309 |
| -
Generally people engaged in falsifying data |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 06:07 PM |
#311 |
| -
So they never admitted it, you made that up. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 06:13 PM |
#312 |
| -
They did admit it |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 09:40 PM |
#323 |
| -
Read HARRY_READ_ME0.txt - your wish has come true |
Psephos |
Nov-29-09 10:47 PM |
#327 |
| -
I used to do that for a living. |
bemildred |
Nov-30-09 06:13 AM |
#337 |
| -
You used to make people who work for you take the blame? ;) |
Psephos |
Nov-30-09 11:48 AM |
#338 |
| -
How about the few leading ones |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:39 AM |
#239 |
| -
thank you. |
unabelladonna |
Nov-28-09 11:48 PM |
#181 |
| -
Try looking up "carbon isotope balance" - it that's not all too "mainstream" for you |
hatrack |
Nov-28-09 11:56 PM |
#183 |
| -
C02 is actually |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:41 AM |
#241 |
| -
Huh... more of the denialist language; |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:00 AM |
#185 |
| -
That fails to explain |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:42 AM |
#242 |
| -
Its seems to me that if scientists are conspiring to trick people into thinking that... |
The Night Owl |
Nov-29-09 11:21 PM |
#329 |
| -
We already have changed the weather |
tinrobot |
Nov-29-09 12:26 AM |
#192 |
| -
We're not responsible, it's the darn Sun's fault! |
tinrobot |
Nov-28-09 06:58 PM |
#98 |
| -
See this is what I'm talking about |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:06 PM |
#103 |
| -
"Make sure everything is right." |
tinrobot |
Nov-28-09 07:24 PM |
#114 |
| -
We have a consensus! |
JonQ |
Nov-28-09 07:31 PM |
#120 |
| -
The validity of the data is not in question. |
tinrobot |
Nov-28-09 07:55 PM |
#126 |
| -
Actually, it is, given that the CRU scientists have now admitted they lost it. |
Psephos |
Nov-28-09 11:13 PM |
#166 |
| -
So what's the big deal? Throw out the bad data. |
tinrobot |
Nov-29-09 12:22 AM |
#190 |
| -
You just said the validity of the data is not in question. |
Psephos |
Nov-29-09 12:59 AM |
#199 |
| -
I wasn't talking about that small group of people |
tinrobot |
Nov-29-09 01:46 AM |
#204 |
| -
The data is indisputable |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 12:43 PM |
#260 |
| -
I thought the science was settled? |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:46 AM |
#246 |
| -
The role of man is established |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 11:10 PM |
#165 |
| -
No . . it . . . isn't |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 11:45 AM |
#245 |
| -
That's some mighty fine denialism there, JonQ |
Birthmark |
Nov-30-09 03:49 AM |
#334 |
| -
Said very well what I expressed more awkwardly. |
GMA |
Nov-29-09 12:26 PM |
#254 |
| -
The skeptics have a |
audas |
Nov-28-09 06:45 PM |
#84 |
| -
Oh, please. |
GMA |
Nov-29-09 06:57 PM |
#315 |
| -
Interesting comeback |
Wednesdays |
Nov-29-09 08:35 PM |
#320 |
| -
Yeah, I heard they had conspired |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 09:55 PM |
#324 |
| -
Well, attack the messenger is not a new strategy. |
bemildred |
Nov-28-09 06:49 PM |
#87 |
| -
It stinked to high heaven from the start |
underpants |
Nov-28-09 06:56 PM |
#94 |
| -
Another apocalypse? |
SimonBolivar |
Nov-28-09 06:56 PM |
#95 |
| -
Tell that to the people of Easter Island. |
tinrobot |
Nov-28-09 07:01 PM |
#100 |
| -
The world won't end. It will most certainly get warmer. |
Warren DeMontague |
Nov-28-09 07:28 PM |
#117 |
| -
It may not end for us. |
sudopod |
Nov-28-09 07:36 PM |
#122 |
| -
Every one? |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 11:14 PM |
#167 |
| -
Ooh, look - another 3-post denialist! |
hatrack |
Nov-28-09 11:57 PM |
#184 |
| -
It's called 'If -> then' logic. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:19 AM |
#189 |
| -
what counts is that limbaugh and sons have 1000 radio stations |
certainot |
Nov-28-09 07:25 PM |
#116 |
| -
Good point. |
Quantess |
Nov-29-09 12:17 AM |
#188 |
| -
The e-mails make no difference |
bhikkhu |
Nov-28-09 07:57 PM |
#127 |
| -
well the target and the timing of the hack are certainly not a random coincidence |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-28-09 09:52 PM |
#139 |
| -
Why are the trolls showing up? |
DavidDvorkin |
Nov-28-09 10:02 PM |
#142 |
| -
dunno... |
Blue_Tires |
Nov-28-09 10:13 PM |
#143 |
| -
They get paid by the post. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:34 AM |
#194 |
| -
That's my guess. Or they are tools. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 06:50 AM |
#207 |
| -
Oh, man--you hit it on the head. |
GMA |
Nov-29-09 12:32 PM |
#256 |
| -
But what about health insurance, 401K, sick leave, and so on? |
DavidDvorkin |
Nov-29-09 01:51 PM |
#273 |
| -
That explains those e-mails I get, claiming |
DavidDvorkin |
Nov-29-09 01:50 PM |
#272 |
| -
Yes, it rather un-nerves me too...DU is really not all that important...why this concerted invasion? |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-29-09 07:45 AM |
#208 |
| -
Look, I'm certainly not a scientist.... |
tidy_bowl |
Nov-28-09 10:14 PM |
#144 |
| -
Steve Jobs is using a settled science. |
FarLeftFist |
Nov-28-09 10:28 PM |
#149 |
| -
Perhaps a better analogy would be medicine |
tinrobot |
Nov-29-09 01:01 AM |
#201 |
| -
No, you're not. |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 12:37 AM |
#195 |
| -
I have used the sarcasim emoticon.... |
tidy_bowl |
Nov-29-09 12:54 AM |
#198 |
| -
Tens of thousands of scientists |
The Doctor. |
Nov-29-09 01:01 AM |
#200 |
| -
I think the point is that there has not been independent verification of these studies: |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-29-09 08:01 AM |
#210 |
| -
What are you talking about? |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 08:40 AM |
#213 |
| -
No, you are simply incorrect |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-29-09 08:49 AM |
#216 |
| -
Incorrect about what? |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 08:58 AM |
#219 |
| -
I'm sorry, I was talking about Climategate |
naaman fletcher |
Nov-29-09 09:01 AM |
#220 |
| -
I'm talking about your claim that I am incorrect about something. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 09:02 AM |
#222 |
| -
Oh I get it....You (trolls) are all of the newly unemployed lobbyists on K street. n/t |
FarLeftFist |
Nov-28-09 10:17 PM |
#146 |
| -
It is nothing more than a smear campaign |
Birthmark |
Nov-28-09 10:29 PM |
#151 |
| -
OMG I FOUND A SMOKING GUN!!! ED HAS CONFESSED!!! |
struggle4progress |
Nov-29-09 07:51 AM |
#209 |
| -
Yeah. See: he also says he doesn't care about the truth |
Ghost Dog |
Nov-29-09 08:43 AM |
#214 |
| -
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-29-09 10:13 AM |
#229 |
| -
Amazing how the melting glaciers, retreating ice pack and rising temperatures |
neverforget |
Nov-29-09 01:15 PM |
#270 |
| -
Let's step back |
Abq_Sarah |
Nov-29-09 02:12 PM |
#276 |
| -
Well, I suppose one could always go out and get your own "raw data and models" |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 02:40 PM |
#283 |
| -
Or we could use the original raw data to check their model |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 03:08 PM |
#288 |
| -
So you believe that this is the ONLY set of data on climate change? |
neverforget |
Nov-29-09 03:55 PM |
#291 |
| -
It's better than that, they threw it out back in the 1980s. |
bemildred |
Nov-29-09 04:37 PM |
#297 |
| -
You are making a common fallacy |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 05:36 PM |
#306 |
| -
So spewing billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere that was stored |
neverforget |
Nov-29-09 06:06 PM |
#310 |
| -
Sigh |
JonQ |
Nov-29-09 10:00 PM |
#325 |
| -
CO2 is the energy that is released since it's not consumed 100% |
neverforget |
Nov-29-09 10:32 PM |
#326 |
| -
That isn't right. It isn't even wrong. |
Psephos |
Nov-30-09 11:58 AM |
#339 |
| -
CO2 is a byproduct of the burning of fossil fuel, That is what i meant. |
neverforget |
Dec-01-09 09:51 AM |
#341 |
| -
Not necessarily |
JonQ |
Dec-01-09 10:43 AM |
#342 |
| -
It's not so much a smear campaign as an idiocracy campaign |
DavidDvorkin |
Nov-29-09 02:54 PM |
#284 |
| -
These "hackers" need to be found out and forced to work in a garbage dump. |
Xenotime |
Dec-01-09 02:13 PM |
#343 |
| -
Yeah, effing whistleblowers |
JonQ |
Dec-01-09 02:17 PM |
#344 |
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