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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-24-09 02:01 PM
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18. I don't know how anyone can conclude otherwise, now that the evidence is out.
His feet were touching the ground so that he could stand without choking, but there were no signs of a struggle. There was no DNA on the rag stuffed into his mouth or on the rope where skin cells would have sloughed off from an assailant. The word "FED" was written from the bottom up. His hands were bound loosely so that he could still move them independently. He had recently checked up on his life insurance policy. He had a history of cancer...

If this were a case of someone being sentenced to death for a murder fitting that description, people here would be sure it was a suicide. I don't understand the fundamentalism on this site sometimes. Reality isn't based on what we want to have happened.
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  -Ky. census worker killed himself, police say sabra  Nov-24-09 01:20 PM   #0 
  - Wow. They're not even trying to sound plausible.  FiveGoodMen   Nov-24-09 01:24 PM   #1 
  - What potential outcome would motivate the FBI and others  Pavulon   Nov-24-09 01:25 PM   #4 
  - The FBI was not involved in the investigation  Tempest   Nov-24-09 02:21 PM   #25 
  - Kentucky has a reputation to protect? Unless the FBI jumps in and  24601   Nov-24-09 02:56 PM   #40 
  - compulsive liars are numerous in Neocon groups  KakistocracyHater   Nov-26-09 11:45 PM   #98 
  - What evidance do you have to the contrary?  no limit   Nov-24-09 01:28 PM   #5 
  - The evidence?  JonQ   Nov-25-09 02:51 PM   #85 
  - more details on investigation:  BREMPRO   Nov-25-09 02:31 PM   #82 
  - I believe it. Read in USA  emilyg   Nov-26-09 09:21 PM   #97 
  - I knew that was coming  get the red out   Nov-24-09 01:25 PM   #2 
  - He died trying to do good for his son  marshall   Nov-24-09 01:25 PM   #3 
  - yep, in his own view he was doing the best for his son within the system  AlphaCentauri   Nov-24-09 03:09 PM   #45 
  - uhhhh.... "does not compute." "does not compute."  Roland99   Nov-24-09 01:35 PM   #6 
  - +1  StopTheNeoCons   Nov-24-09 02:24 PM   #29 
  - All the evidence released pretty much...  brendan120678   Nov-24-09 02:26 PM   #32 
  - All of which could be explained by not-so-bright assailants  Roland99   Nov-24-09 03:05 PM   #44 
  - You don't think a sedative like Chloroform would show in blood test?  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 03:42 PM   #50 
  - He could have stood up.  Chemisse   Nov-24-09 05:22 PM   #60 
  - unless he was...oh...unconscious?  Roland99   Nov-24-09 05:25 PM   #62 
     - If he was,  Chemisse   Nov-25-09 04:16 AM   #73 
  - Killing yourself is not as easy as you think.  zeemike   Nov-24-09 05:27 PM   #64 
  - But . . . but this was the proof!  JonQ   Nov-25-09 02:52 PM   #86 
  - It does in a state with no doctor assisted suicide for terminal paitents  AtheistCrusader   Nov-24-09 03:39 PM   #48 
  - Who conducted the investigation?  SecularMotion   Nov-24-09 01:36 PM   #7 
  - State Police.  jobycom   Nov-24-09 01:55 PM   #13 
  - It's in the first paragraph.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 02:09 PM   #21 
     - That information was not in the article at the MSNBC link  SecularMotion   Nov-24-09 02:21 PM   #26 
        - I think it's going to come out slowly.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 02:31 PM   #36 
  - I'm sure Law&Order would turn this storyline down. Too contrived and  monmouth   Nov-24-09 01:42 PM   #8 
  - It's not unusual.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 02:05 PM   #19 
     - David Carradine's death was apparently due to auto-erotic asphyxiation.  drm604   Nov-24-09 02:24 PM   #30 
        - No?  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 02:29 PM   #35 
           - How does everything fit?  drm604   Nov-24-09 02:37 PM   #38 
              - I'm afraid I don't understand what you said.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 03:04 PM   #43 
                 - No. You are failing to understand something key about auto-erotic asphyxiation.  Hyper_Eye   Nov-24-09 03:29 PM   #46 
                    - I said it carelessly, and you misunderstood.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 03:57 PM   #51 
                       - The Young Turks presented a bit of the information  Hyper_Eye   Nov-24-09 04:44 PM   #56 
                          - A Larry King show is beyond my tolerance.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 04:49 PM   #57 
                             - The link I provided is a TYT link. It is not the Larry King interview.  Hyper_Eye   Nov-24-09 05:24 PM   #61 
  - I smell bullcrap.  Twinguard   Nov-24-09 01:43 PM   #9 
  - +1  StopTheNeoCons   Nov-24-09 02:25 PM   #31 
  - The reason it was called a suicide is to  Tsar_Bomba   Nov-24-09 01:49 PM   #10 
  - So President Obama's FBI is lying to protect the right? One,  24601   Nov-24-09 03:01 PM   #41 
  - Obama's been bending over backwards to make the right happy  Tempest   Nov-24-09 03:03 PM   #42 
  - Large orgs like the FBI aren't monolithic. If they tried to keep a  24601   Nov-24-09 03:40 PM   #49 
  - Of course, the FBI is no more under Obama's control than is the military  tom_paine   Nov-24-09 05:30 PM   #66 
  - Nope, it was to protect the insurance comapnies from paying out.  intheflow   Nov-24-09 04:17 PM   #54 
  - Anonymous sources say. n/t  Ian David   Nov-24-09 01:54 PM   #11 
  - Bullshit  era veteran   Nov-24-09 01:55 PM   #12 
  - I Emailed KSP The whole world is watching  era veteran   Nov-24-09 01:58 PM   #16 
  - +1  StopTheNeoCons   Nov-24-09 02:23 PM   #27 
  - Coverup?  The Northerner   Nov-24-09 01:55 PM   #14 
  - Suicide made sense.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 01:56 PM   #15 
  - If it is not a homocide...  Zodiak   Nov-24-09 01:58 PM   #17 
  - I don't know how anyone can conclude otherwise, now that the evidence is out.  jobycom   Nov-24-09 02:01 PM   #18 
  - Partisan anger?  The Northerner   Nov-24-09 02:09 PM   #23 
  - I think it's more of a distrust of government and a reaction to the hatred of people like Beck.  jobycom   Nov-24-09 02:27 PM   #33 
  - The life insurance clinches it for me  slackmaster   Nov-26-09 09:45 AM   #93 
  - Sad all the way around.  Brickbat   Nov-24-09 02:07 PM   #20 
  - FTW!  lies and propaganda   Nov-24-09 02:09 PM   #22 
  - +1  StopTheNeoCons   Nov-24-09 02:23 PM   #28 
  - Suicide  Butch350   Nov-24-09 02:19 PM   #24 
  - isn't that hard to do.  CBGLuthier   Nov-24-09 02:28 PM   #34 
     - It's surprisingly easy.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 02:35 PM   #37 
  - I'm having a hard time  hileeopnyn8d   Nov-24-09 02:51 PM   #39 
  - BULLSHIT!  Odin2005   Nov-24-09 03:33 PM   #47 
  - What I find interesting is that people with very low post counts are supporting suicide as a theory  Nikki Stone1   Nov-24-09 04:00 PM   #52 
  - I have a low post count.  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 04:11 PM   #53 
  - This low counter  bergie321   Nov-24-09 04:17 PM   #55 
  - Welcome to DU, bergie.  EFerrari   Nov-24-09 04:55 PM   #59 
  - I think the suicide is likely.  Chemisse   Nov-24-09 05:26 PM   #63 
  - My 42K posts since 2002 disagree with that.  jobycom   Nov-24-09 05:58 PM   #68 
  - agreed. it just appears some here just don't want to accept facts that go against  BREMPRO   Nov-25-09 04:15 PM   #88 
  - post count?  FreedomRain   Nov-25-09 12:02 AM   #72 
  - I think it's more likely than not that he committed suicide  cali   Nov-27-09 10:44 AM   #101 
  - The details make it sound like suicide but I'd like to know his motive -  lynne   Nov-24-09 04:55 PM   #58 
  - Insurance may not pay for a suicide  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-24-09 05:27 PM   #65 
  - lots of insurance contracts pay for suicide after the first year or so...  dysfunctional press   Nov-24-09 05:31 PM   #67 
  - The suicide clause in most life policies is normally limited to 1 or 2 years -  lynne   Nov-24-09 08:23 PM   #70 
  - Most likely theory right now is that he was faking his "murder."  Ishka Kibble   Nov-24-09 07:46 PM   #69 
  - It's probably an insurance scam  slackmaster   Nov-26-09 09:44 AM   #92 
  - HUH?????????????  BrklynLiberal   Nov-24-09 10:41 PM   #71 
  - So the experts say that it is suicide  Chemisse   Nov-25-09 04:21 AM   #74 
  - It's a matter of evidence.  Eric J in MN   Nov-25-09 02:41 PM   #84 
  - kick  Grateful for Hope   Nov-25-09 02:27 PM   #75 
  - KY. census worker committed suicide, authorities say  BREMPRO   Nov-25-09 02:28 PM   #76 
  - It's very sad. But someone could have been accused of murder.  tblue   Nov-25-09 02:28 PM   #77 
  - I'm not convinced it was suicide.  Eric J in MN   Nov-25-09 02:28 PM   #78 
  - more info on investigation  BREMPRO   Nov-25-09 02:28 PM   #81 
     - "obtained $600,000 in accidental-death insurance" instead of "bought"  Eric J in MN   Nov-25-09 02:35 PM   #83 
        - it appears from reports that he obtained it just before his death that he did not have before  BREMPRO   Nov-25-09 04:03 PM   #87 
           - The point is that if investigators wanted to wrap up the investigation by calling it a suicide,  Eric J in MN   Nov-25-09 04:24 PM   #89 
              - i understand your point, but all the other forensic DNA evidence and witness accounts  BREMPRO   Nov-25-09 04:38 PM   #90 
              - I've never heard of a job that provides that much life insurance without requiring a premium payment  slackmaster   Nov-26-09 09:54 AM   #95 
  - ???  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-25-09 02:28 PM   #79 
  - I call bullshit  gopiscrap   Nov-25-09 02:28 PM   #80 
  - authorities  maglatinavi   Nov-26-09 02:21 AM   #91 
     - Do you think the "authorities" faked him taking out $600K in life insurance?  slackmaster   Nov-26-09 09:46 AM   #94 
        - I think it's more subtle than that  JonQ   Nov-26-09 10:57 AM   #96 
           - Wow! His beloved son and friends would appreciate your callous and glib dismissal.  ShortnFiery   Nov-27-09 12:01 AM   #99 
              - I'm sure they much prefer the actual conspiracy theories  JonQ   Nov-27-09 10:40 AM   #100 
  - BS  fascisthunter   Nov-27-09 12:14 PM   #102 

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